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I think people have "casual" and "hardcore" backwards....
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Zordrage✭✭✭✭✭Ectheliontnacil wrote: »A casual player is someone who stands in the red area.
A hardcore player is someone screaming at the casual for doing this.
Casual player is someone who stands in the red area and dies.
A hardcore player is someone who stands in the red area ignoring it on porpuse while soloing down the boss becaus all the casuals arround him are dead...2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Another term for Hardcore is "Tryhard".CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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Sting864✭✭✭✭Casual player is someone who stands in the red area and dies.
A hardcore player is someone who stands in the red area ignoring it on porpuse while soloing down the boss becaus all the casuals arround him are dead...
This^^^^
A filthy casual berates people who stand in red because he (the filthy casual...) would die...
The hardcore player knows how to defend the perils of the red, and sometimes stands there just to irritate the casuals....0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Why do people keep fighting over how hardcore they are? What's the point to this, man?4 -
Sixsixsix161✭✭✭I remember this discussion in WoW, where there were two definitions.
1. Hardcore - plays more WoW than any other player. So, most hours counts as hardcore.
2. He/She who raids all the time. Most raids is hardcore.
But then, there are the other questions. Is hardcore restricted to PvE, or PvP, or both, or neither sigh.
I don't think it matters how others define you. It matters how you define yourself.
I had an office job, 40-hour workweek. I still used to play WoW nearly 60-65 hours per week - and sometimes more.
I raided, I PvP'd, PvE'd, but considered myself just a player enjoying the game.
I know other players in the guilds I was in considered me hardcore, but I didn't care about other players' labels.
As long as I had fun - that's all that counts.
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✭✭I see it as what your goal is in the game. If it's to experience the content, you're probably "casual". If it's to get BiS everything, you're probably "hardcore".0 -
Dhukath✭✭✭A better comparison would be:
Hardcore - Softcore
Committed - Casual
Hardcore from my understanding relates to difficulty if content, therefore a Hardcore player would be one who chases the meta and the greatest challenges of the game i.e. competitive PVP, Trials and associated achievements. A casual player, would refer to one who plays the game intermittently, who pops in to do the odd dungeon, when not playing another title.
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Anotherone773✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I tend to think "hardcore" and "casual" refer more to the intensity of play rather than area. Certainly there are hardcore PVEers who run trials regularly, but I would consider myself a hardcore RPer, as I can blow your mind with the stuff regarding RP I know in this game. In general gaming though, it is usually assumed that casual players play more games, and so cannot match the intensity of a gamer who plays only one, so in the regard, I would be considered a casual gamer, even though I regularly top leaderboards in several different games.
To-may-toe/To-mah-toe... I agree that perhaps the terms refer to intensity... However I think people who consider themselves "hardcore PvPers" are only "casual" consumers of ESO's content; thus, cannot be considered "hardcore ESO players..."
No such thing as hardcore pvp in ESO. For PVP to be hardcore there has to be real rewards to win from killing and real losses when you die. Not the pansy experience you get here. If you dont have to think about strategies and assess if the risk is worth both the loss and the reward its not hardcore pvp. Also wouldnt consider ESO pvp hardcore because its limited to one zone and instances.
As for PVE, I would define hardcore pve as someone who does all content regularly and does new content as it comes out and not 6 months later after there are 20 videos on youtube and a dozen articles/sites with instructions on how to do it step by step.Edited by Anotherone773 on April 25, 2018 2:20AM0 -
Sting864✭✭✭✭A better comparison would be:
Hardcore - Softcore
Committed - Casual
Hardcore from my understanding relates to difficulty if content, therefore a Hardcore player would be one who chases the meta and the greatest challenges of the game i.e. competitive PVP, Trials and associated achievements. A casual player, would refer to one who plays the game intermittently, who pops in to do the odd dungeon, when not playing another title.
That is an excellent definition of "hardcore" or "casual..." But from the perspective of "hardcore ESO player", I don't know if I agree... Is there only one Meta?? I don't think so... Doesn't it depend on your build?? Perhaps there is a "combat" meta-... But that probably would not be the fastest or the most magical... so the "metas" for that criterion would be different... right??0 -
Dapper Dinosaur✭✭✭✭✭This topic is flawed because it is only taking into consideration one meaning of the phrase "hardcore" when there are multiple commonly applicable meanings.
1. Hardcore as in devoted: I am a hardcore roleplayer/crafter/lore collector
2. Hardcore as in the best-of-the-best: I am a hardcore raider that has cleared Vet Maw/ Vet AS+2 /inserthardtaskhere
The meaning that SHOULD be commonly considered the correct usage is the second example. The first just means you're intensely focused on some particular task/ideology and it has nothing to do with how challenging said task is. If you're a hardcore home furnisher, that doesn't make you some kind of badass. If you think you're a "hardcore eso player", enter challenging PVE content and get the reality check you desperately need if you can't even come close to clearing it.Edited by Dapper Dinosaur on April 25, 2018 3:03AM0 -
FloppyTouch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭When I think of a hardcore eso player I dont think about a quest runner lmao
Hardcore to me in eso is a master at everything dps tanking or healing and skillfully 5 star in pvp can solo group play and small group play. These are the guys that win 90% of duel against others and have been on every leaderboard.
Casual player is someone like me done all quest done all trials and dungeon rank 38 in pvp can win about 30% of duels I'm in and plays for 2 hours a day. Never been on a leaderboard never been emp I have okay dps to get me through everything. I play for fun not to be the best of the best0 -
Guarlet✭✭✭✭✭Another term for Hardcore is "Tryhard".
*eyeroll* I love how everybody is jumping on more hardcore players as "tryhards" and jobless no-lifers who lack the ability to balance real life and gaming.
What if I told you........ it's possible to do both.
/insert Matrix meme that I'm too lazy to linkAKA The Goblinator, PC/EU0 -
Zagnut123Zagnut123✭✭✭✭I believe in ESO, the whole "casual" and "hardcore" descriptors are backwards. ESO has fundamentally changed the whole MMO genre... It has been voted "Best MMO" by MMORPG.com 3 (three) years in a row (2015, 2016, 2017...)
In other, dated MMO's, combat is an important part of the content... So "hardcore" is defined in the context of combat... Since ZOS has changed the way MMO's are played, more of the content provided in ESO is non-combat related (NCR...). Therefore, "hardcore ESO players" are the ones who consume the majority of the content that ZOS develops... Former button-smashers from WoW may consider themselves "hardcore," but they're not because they have only a "casual" interest in the wealth of content which is provided by ZOS...
I consider myself "hardcore ESO player..."
I suppose the few completionist would be hardcore in your opinion then eh.0 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Tip:
The way you and others use those two words are wrong.
There is only those who deem themselves better than others and seek to label both.
Then there’s those who play and don’t bother with labels. The amount of time and experience or who becomes good or bad aren’t accurately defined by those words.
Edited by NewBlacksmurf on April 25, 2018 4:31AM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Marginis✭✭✭✭✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »There’s multiple meanings to these, hardcore and casual can be based on the amount of time you play the game, so whether you focus on pve or pvp you’d still be a hardcore player.
Then theres hardcore and casual in terms of difficulty, Dark Souls could be considered hardcore while games like Skyrim and Fable could be casual.
Almost forgot, it also can be defined by how good you are or how good you aren’t. Hardcore being good and casual being average/bad.
You’re giving a narrow definition to broad words.
I am the number 1 Fable 3 player in the world (or at least I was, for quite a while). But, Fable 3 is about as difficult as buttering toast. So - am I casual or hardcore?
Depends on the games you play as a whole, most games are casual friendly now anyways, telling us exactly what to do and where to go.
What if I said I found Minecraft more difficult than Dark Souls? Would that clear it up?@Marginis on PC, Senpai Fluffy on Xbox, Founder of Magicka. Also known as Kha'jiri, The Night Mother, Ma'iq, Jane Shepard, Damia, Kintyra, Zoor Do Kest, You, and a few others.0 -
Nerdrage9000✭✭✭✭I’d say I’m fairly ‘hardcore’ when I play ESO, as I usually play with my feet in a bucket of water, with my *** hooked up to a jumper cable and car battery set to rig every time someone runs, dodge rolls or uses the /sassafras emote.
However, I do this in a very ‘casual’ manner while quietly judging the dps meters.
Best of both worlds really...0 -
Sting864✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Tip:
The way you and others use those two words are wrong.
There is only those who deem themselves better than others and seek to label both.
Then there’s those who play and don’t bother with labels. The amount of time and experience or who becomes good or bad aren’t accurately defined by those words.
I am not using either word in terms of the amount of time and experience or who becomes good or bad... Read my post again... I am using those terms as I think they are intended; the quality and quantity of content consumed... Quality is more important but I think after 4 years I've got pretty much both covered... A rushin' that skips mobs and hops over dialogue is missing content and not really consuming the content he/she encounters...0 -
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✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »
Disagree. Entirely disagree.
That's why I said "hardcore ESO player..." You may be a "hardcore PvP player," but you are merely a "casual ESO player..."
BT-dubs I live in the red.... Blocking's allowed too...
Starting use bold lettering..this is getting to hardcore elitist for me 0 -
Twenty0zTsunami✭✭✭✭I believe in ESO, the whole "casual" and "hardcore" descriptors are backwards. ESO has fundamentally changed the whole MMO genre... It has been voted "Best MMO" by MMORPG.com 3 (three) years in a row (2015, 2016, 2017...)
In other, dated MMO's, combat is an important part of the content... So "hardcore" is defined in the context of combat... Since ZOS has changed the way MMO's are played, more of the content provided in ESO is non-combat related (NCR...). Therefore, "hardcore ESO players" are the ones who consume the majority of the content that ZOS develops... Former button-smashers from WoW may consider themselves "hardcore," but they're not because they have only a "casual" interest in the wealth of content which is provided by ZOS...
I consider myself "hardcore ESO player..."
I disagree with your statement entirely.
THey haven't "changed the way people play MMO's"
Running dungeons, farming mats, grinding trades, Raids, PVP-- none of this is new.
Care to elaborate?0 -
Prof_Bawbag✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Don't think there's a more inane self imposed title in gaming than "hardcore gamer". That's the only difference I can see. Played this game since beta and I have yet to hear a single player in-game refer to themselves as a "hardcore gamer". I can only assume most folk know it's an utterly embarrassing title to bestow upon themselves. The forums are, well, different in that respect.
Edited by Prof_Bawbag on April 25, 2018 2:02PM0 -
Sting864✭✭✭✭Prof_Bawbag wrote: »Don't think there's a more inane self imposed title in gaming than "hardcore gamer". That's the only difference I can see. Played this game since beta and I have yet to hear a single player in-game refer to themselves as a "hardcore gamer". I can only assume most folk know it's an utterly embarrassing title to bestow upon themselves. The forums are, well, different in that respect.
That's why I never use that term... Good or bad... I said "hardcore ESO player..."0 -
Armatesz✭✭✭✭✭I am curious if others think being able to do tempest island vet solo 13 times counts as hardcore.Ärmätèsz
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Sting864✭✭✭✭Twenty0zTsunami wrote: »farming mats, grinding trades,
Care to elaborate?
I enjoy this game because I never have had to farm OR grind... Want gold?? Don't farm one delve/WB/dolmen... Experience ALL of those things across a region...
Want a particular piece of equipment?? Join a guild (or 5...) Hit up guild traders... Don't grind one delve/WB/dolmenEdited by Sting864 on April 25, 2018 5:34PM0 -
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✭I'm not sure being hardcore or casual is ever a positive thing. Unless you're using those terms to describe yourself (and sometimes even when describing yourself), both terms can very easily imply an insult.
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thedude33✭✭✭✭✭Another term for Hardcore is "Tryhard".
*eyeroll* I love how everybody is jumping on more hardcore players as "tryhards" and jobless no-lifers who lack the ability to balance real life and gaming.
What if I told you........ it's possible to do both.
/insert Matrix meme that I'm too lazy to link
Hardcore, tryhards, casual? Those terms don't mean a thing since they are all arbitrary. The number of hours played during a week? That tells the tale.
Agree it's possible to do both gaming and real life. When the gaming hours start to get too high though, something will suffer.
40 hours work + 30+ hours gaming = somethings are being neglected.
Been there done that. Especially coming from old school EQ1. Even now I can binge ... = something being neglected.0 -
Prof_Bawbag✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Prof_Bawbag wrote: »Don't think there's a more inane self imposed title in gaming than "hardcore gamer". That's the only difference I can see. Played this game since beta and I have yet to hear a single player in-game refer to themselves as a "hardcore gamer". I can only assume most folk know it's an utterly embarrassing title to bestow upon themselves. The forums are, well, different in that respect.
That's why I never use that term... Good or bad... I said "hardcore ESO player..."
You're splitting hairs now. Akin to saying "firefighter" or "Fireman". Both refer to exactly the same thing. But you already know that.0 -
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✭✭who cares?
i play for fun.... be it half an hour or 12 hours a day.
don't need a label and care nothing for what others think on the subject.1
