I think people have "casual" and "hardcore" backwards....

Sting864

I believe in ESO, the whole "casual" and "hardcore" descriptors are backwards. ESO has fundamentally changed the whole MMO genre... It has been voted "Best MMO" by MMORPG.com 3 (three) years in a row (2015, 2016, 2017...)
In other, dated MMO's, combat is an important part of the content... So "hardcore" is defined in the context of combat... Since ZOS has changed the way MMO's are played, more of the content provided in ESO is non-combat related (NCR...). Therefore, "hardcore ESO players" are the ones who consume the majority of the content that ZOS develops... Former button-smashers from WoW may consider themselves "hardcore," but they're not because they have only a "casual" interest in the wealth of content which is provided by ZOS...
I consider myself "hardcore ESO player..."

Marginis

I tend to think "hardcore" and "casual" refer more to the intensity of play rather than area. Certainly there are hardcore PVEers who run trials regularly, but I would consider myself a hardcore RPer, as I can blow your mind with the stuff regarding RP I know in this game. In general gaming though, it is usually assumed that casual players play more games, and so cannot match the intensity of a gamer who plays only one, so in the regard, I would be considered a casual gamer, even though I regularly top leaderboards in several different games.

Sting864

Marginis wrote: »

I tend to think "hardcore" and "casual" refer more to the intensity of play rather than area. Certainly there are hardcore PVEers who run trials regularly, but I would consider myself a hardcore RPer, as I can blow your mind with the stuff regarding RP I know in this game. In general gaming though, it is usually assumed that casual players play more games, and so cannot match the intensity of a gamer who plays only one, so in the regard, I would be considered a casual gamer, even though I regularly top leaderboards in several different games.

To-may-toe/To-mah-toe... I agree that perhaps the terms refer to intensity... However I think people who consider themselves "hardcore PvPers" are only "casual" consumers of ESO's content; thus, cannot be considered "hardcore ESO players..."

Waffennacht

Sting864 wrote: »

Marginis wrote: »

I tend to think "hardcore" and "casual" refer more to the intensity of play rather than area. Certainly there are hardcore PVEers who run trials regularly, but I would consider myself a hardcore RPer, as I can blow your mind with the stuff regarding RP I know in this game. In general gaming though, it is usually assumed that casual players play more games, and so cannot match the intensity of a gamer who plays only one, so in the regard, I would be considered a casual gamer, even though I regularly top leaderboards in several different games.

To-may-toe/To-mah-toe... I agree that perhaps the terms refer to intensity... However I think people who consider themselves "hardcore PvPers" are only "casual" consumers of ESO's content; thus, cannot be considered "hardcore ESO players..."

Disagree. Entirely disagree.

It's really weird to think (by your definition) if I only PvP but do so 10 hours a day every day, I'm less "hardcore" than someone whom only played 2 hours a day, but with a more varried activity list.

To me, "hardcore" is intensity (as above described) and intensity is about investment. Time and effort, if you put in a lot of time and effort, on any aspect of ESO, you are a "hardcore" ESO player

Ectheliontnacil

A casual player is someone who stands in the red area.
A hardcore player is someone screaming at the casual for doing this.

Kiralyn2000

Casual and Hardcore have always had a vague and changeable definition. That definition usually being "whatever I need it to be, in order to insult that guy."

Sting864

Waffennacht wrote: »

Disagree. Entirely disagree.

That's why I said "hardcore ESO player..." You may be a "hardcore PvP player," but you are merely a "casual ESO player..."
BT-dubs I live in the red.... Blocking's allowed too...

KRBMMO

I play about 20-30 hours a week and still consider myself "casual". Why? because I don't take this game too seriously. There are FAR more important things in my life.

To me "hardcore player" is not a compliment, but someone I probably want to avoid.

Azuramoonstar

Sting864 wrote: »

I believe in ESO, the whole "casual" and "hardcore" descriptors are backwards. ESO has fundamentally changed the whole MMO genre... It has been voted "Best MMO" by MMORPG.com 3 (three) years in a row (2015, 2016, 2017...)
In other, dated MMO's, combat is an important part of the content... So "hardcore" is defined in the context of combat... Since ZOS has changed the way MMO's are played, more of the content provided in ESO is non-combat related (NCR...). Therefore, "hardcore ESO players" are the ones who consume the majority of the content that ZOS develops... Former button-smashers from WoW may consider themselves "hardcore," but they're not because they have only a "casual" interest in the wealth of content which is provided by ZOS...
I consider myself "hardcore ESO player..."

uh. ESO did nothing to the MMo genre. I just came from FF14 which i've been playing for a good 5 years, and nothing ESO did changed anything in ff14.

Hardcore in gaming has always been defined as : 1) can play for long periods of time. 2) strive to be the best, with the best gear. 3) do all the game has to offer, and mastering the game

while casual as been defined as: 1) play sparingly. 2) not care about being the best gear. 3) having a select few content activities, not interested in mastering the game.


then you have the casually hardcore who are a mix of the two, either they lack time to play, and/or not interested in the best stuff, and/or not looking to master the game. They strive to be skilled, but are laxed.

also got links to prove the mmorpg.com rewards because i know ff14 was voted best mmo a few times.

Azuramoonstar

Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

A casual player is someone who stands in the red area.
A hardcore player is someone screaming at the casual for doing this.

casual =/= troll.

not a lot of people think you can dodge the red. not a lot of games point it out.

VaranisArano

Sorry, but I dont think so. With everything, even a variety of content, there are levels of Hardcore.

Never fishes->Casual Fisherman->Master Angler->Master Angler on multiple characters

I'm working on the multiple characters part of that, so I'm less hardcore than anyone who has that.

Moreover, if I call someone who's done trials not hardcore because they havent done Master Angler, uh, I'm pretty sure people are going to laugh at me.

Azuramoonstar

VaranisArano wrote: »

Sorry, but I dont think so. With everything, even a variety of content, there are levels of Hardcore.

Never fishes->Casual Fisherman->Master Angler->Master Angler on multiple characters

I'm working on the multiple characters part of that, so I'm less hardcore than anyone who has that.

Moreover, if I call someone who's done trials not hardcore because they havent done Master Angler, uh, I'm pretty sure people are going to laugh at me.

bingo lol

CelestialSlayer

Why put people in boxes?

Marginis

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

Sting864 wrote: »

I believe in ESO, the whole "casual" and "hardcore" descriptors are backwards. ESO has fundamentally changed the whole MMO genre... It has been voted "Best MMO" by MMORPG.com 3 (three) years in a row (2015, 2016, 2017...)
In other, dated MMO's, combat is an important part of the content... So "hardcore" is defined in the context of combat... Since ZOS has changed the way MMO's are played, more of the content provided in ESO is non-combat related (NCR...). Therefore, "hardcore ESO players" are the ones who consume the majority of the content that ZOS develops... Former button-smashers from WoW may consider themselves "hardcore," but they're not because they have only a "casual" interest in the wealth of content which is provided by ZOS...
I consider myself "hardcore ESO player..."

uh. ESO did nothing to the MMo genre. I just came from FF14 which i've been playing for a good 5 years, and nothing ESO did changed anything in ff14.

Hardcore in gaming has always been defined as : 1) can play for long periods of time. 2) strive to be the best, with the best gear. 3) do all the game has to offer, and mastering the game

while casual as been defined as: 1) play sparingly. 2) not care about being the best gear. 3) having a select few content activities, not interested in mastering the game.


then you have the casually hardcore who are a mix of the two, either they lack time to play, and/or not interested in the best stuff, and/or not looking to master the game. They strive to be skilled, but are laxed.

also got links to prove the mmorpg.com rewards because i know ff14 was voted best mmo a few times.

Those definitions have not always been the case, as the definitions in different contexts within gaming have always been malleable, and for that matter disagreed upon. Your definition certainly fits, but it's certainly not the only one, or necessarily the best one for everyone. It's great if it works for you though. Personal opinion on which definition is the primary one is definitely important, hence why we have this thread.

mikejezz

Well Guild Wars 2 did the same combat kinda system before ESO, but even though you are half right, it saddens me cus I prefer the “button mashing” in WoW kinda games over eso any day.

That said, I’m sick and tired of WoW and that’s why I’m here, but I do miss the combat which imo is ESO’s weakest point.

Marginis

CelestialSlayer wrote: »

Why put people in boxes?

Categorization and classification is considered incredibly useful, even necessary in scientific pursuits. It helps us advance, generally, and fulfills an essential desire for understanding, specifically.

Oh, wait, that was hypothetical wasn't it...

Uh... don't mind me. *whistles nonchalantly*

CatchMeTrolling

There’s multiple meanings to these, hardcore and casual can be based on the amount of time you play the game, so whether you focus on pve or pvp you’d still be a hardcore player.

Then theres hardcore and casual in terms of difficulty, Dark Souls could be considered hardcore while games like Skyrim and Fable could be casual.

Almost forgot, it also can be defined by how good you are or how good you aren’t. Hardcore being good and casual being average/bad.

You’re giving a narrow definition to broad words.

DanteYoda

I'm considered casual.. I enjoy the overland Pve world questing and delves.. Outside of that i consider the teambased dungeons and pvp to be the seriously hardcore aspect..

I tend to avoid both because i like solo play and dislike the communities the hardcore aspect brings.. I also consider someone who plays 24/7 to be hardcore and a player who plays a few hours a day casual..

You could also assume someone who throws insane amounts of money into the cash store hardcore as well..

The terms fluctuate and change so much these days.

ak_pvp

Hard-core is anyone who fishes and likes it.

Aesthier

Gaming:
The pivot point or center line upon which the definition is based=amount of time and dedication spent on-game towards the accomplishment of particular in-game goals.

Hardcore=sets in-game priorities above those of real life and adjust their real-life schedule to meet in game goals.

Casual=sets in-game priorities below those of real life and adjust their game time schedule to meet those real-life goals.

^ That has and always will be the core definition for me.




It is completely possible to blow a lot of time in the game and still be casual just as it would be possible to spend a comparatively smaller portion of in-game time and still be hardcore.

From there, subcategories are made based on the particular area or goal the gamer sets. PvP, Raiding, Trials, crafting, etc....

It is quite possible for a gamer to be hardcore in one game and casual in many others and for that status to change dependant on the game the gamer decides to focus their time.

Aebaradath

I'm twice as hardcore than you are and you're half the casual that I am!

SnubbS

This thread is a sly way of saying that ESO combat is dumbed down, boring and requires little skill.

I fully support this message.

Marginis

SnubbS wrote: »

This thread is a sly way of saying that ESO combat is dumbed down, boring and requires little skill.

I fully support this message.

Ehhhhhhhhhh.......

Maybe a little.

But not entirely.

Kiralyn2000

CelestialSlayer wrote: »

Why put people in boxes?

They pack tighter that way.

Tabbycat

I guess I'm pretty hardcore about being casual.

Marginis

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

There’s multiple meanings to these, hardcore and casual can be based on the amount of time you play the game, so whether you focus on pve or pvp you’d still be a hardcore player.

Then theres hardcore and casual in terms of difficulty, Dark Souls could be considered hardcore while games like Skyrim and Fable could be casual.

Almost forgot, it also can be defined by how good you are or how good you aren’t. Hardcore being good and casual being average/bad.

You’re giving a narrow definition to broad words.

I am the number 1 Fable 3 player in the world (or at least I was, for quite a while). But, Fable 3 is about as difficult as buttering toast. So - am I casual or hardcore?

Graydon

Hardcores think grinding the same stuff and boring yourself with a gazzilion dungeon runs over is what gaming is all about.

Casuals have careers and so they play for fun and entertainment. They don’t use the term “work hard at it” or “burned out”.

Sting864

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

uh. ESO did nothing to the MMo genre. I just came from FF14 which i've been playing for a good 5 years, and nothing ESO did changed anything in ff14.

Hardcore in gaming has always been defined as : 1) can play for long periods of time. 2) strive to be the best, with the best gear. 3) do all the game has to offer, and mastering the game

while casual as been defined as: 1) play sparingly. 2) not care about being the best gear. 3) having a select few content activities, not interested in mastering the game.


then you have the casually hardcore who are a mix of the two, either they lack time to play, and/or not interested in the best stuff, and/or not looking to master the game. They strive to be skilled, but are laxed.

also got links to prove the mmorpg.com rewards because i know ff14 was voted best mmo a few times.

You pretty much proved my point... If you play ESO like a regular MMO, you won't be able to change-up your game from region to region... thus you will find using the same playstyle in a region as big as Nirn boring....

DanteYoda

FF14 was horribly hardcore.. Gating insane dungeons so you could continue on with the story line... That duty finder madness i left after one month lol..

Again i'm casual.

Sting864

SnubbS wrote: »

This thread is a sly way of saying that ESO combat is dumbed down, boring and requires little skill.

I fully support this message.

I meant what I said and I said what I meant... If I need yo to speak for me I'll... well.. I dont need you to speak for me... I didn't vote for you....

CatchMeTrolling

Marginis wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

There’s multiple meanings to these, hardcore and casual can be based on the amount of time you play the game, so whether you focus on pve or pvp you’d still be a hardcore player.

Then theres hardcore and casual in terms of difficulty, Dark Souls could be considered hardcore while games like Skyrim and Fable could be casual.

Almost forgot, it also can be defined by how good you are or how good you aren’t. Hardcore being good and casual being average/bad.

You’re giving a narrow definition to broad words.

I am the number 1 Fable 3 player in the world (or at least I was, for quite a while). But, Fable 3 is about as difficult as buttering toast. So - am I casual or hardcore?

Depends on the games you play as a whole, most games are casual friendly now anyways, telling us exactly what to do and where to go.