Is Stamina Over Preforming

NyassaV · April 2018

The amount of dodging + easy CC break makes stamina very formidable in a PvP environment. I'm not even mentioning snare removal but it plays an important part in their kit.

Nearly every attack gets rolled (Be it passive or active) or something of the sort, but Magicka is sorely lacking the defensiveness that stamina has with roll. When Resto ult was cheaper having the mitigation + nice healing actually was able to compete with stamina but ever since that change as well as the Siphoning Attacks change of Morrowind, I can't sustain stamina very well and I wear 2 pc Bloodspawn and 1 Stam Regen Glyph + 3 well-fitted. This is also in CP. In no-CP it is nearly impossible to sustain Stamina as a Magicka build unless you have Dual Wield and are making good use of heavy attacks.

Awhile ago I proposed the idea of increasing every's base regen of all resources by 50-100. That is one idea but do people have anymore good ideas to help solve this?

I suppose I should mention that this isn't about nerfing stam, but rather buffing Magicka's ability to sustain stamina. This is from a PvP perspective

Ragnaroek93 · April 2018

No

Stamina can't handle Defile, it's hard to rate it as OP when they can get killed that easily by magbuilds who utilize Defile. This whole stamina is OP statement is only a NA thing, on EU I do not see a stamina meta outside of stamnb in open world.

Asmael · April 2018

I can't sustain stamina very well and I wear 2 pc Bloodspawn and 1 Stam Regen Glyph + 3 well-fitted. This is also in CP.

Since it's actually possible to sustain stamina builds with only Dubious Camoran throne and literally no other stamina sustain sources (apart from the armor in heavy or medium) in CP PvP, you may want to have a look at your CP distribution.

If you have a stamina ability slotted, make use of the Unchained passive - it does make a pretty drastic difference.

Since you mention Siphoning attacks, you may consider using Leeching Strikes instead of the magicka counterpart.

It's pretty hard to give further advice without knowing your exact playstyle, beside the usual "use Line of sight, favor dodge roll / block for when you have absolutely no other choice and use shields when available and weave heavies as much as you can".

Gallagher563 · April 2018

No

I don't think stamina is over performing. Stamina is formidable because the current PVP meta favors movement and seems to favor 1VX which is almost by definition mele. In PVE the last 2 trials have favored ranged builds which is probably good because it shows their is some balance.

Checkmath · April 2018

Other

there are a quite a few things overperforming in no cp. major defile is one thing for example. but back to the topic. magicka builds really have sometimes difficulties to maintain stamina pool, because dodging and breaking free costs a lot of stamina without cps, so that most magicka toons cant dodge more than twice. even as a heavy armor magplar with 2 stamina regen boni need to take care to use dodge and block wisely to not run out of stamina. i bet it is more difficult for other classes, especially those without constitution or block cost reduction in the passives from snb or ice staff.
looking into the cp trees wont help in no cp pvp^^
increasing base regen wont do much i think and will be barely felt.
but we cant just decrease breaking free or dodge cost, otherwise you would make stamina toons even more dodgy and stuff....

NyassaV · April 2018

Yes

Asmael wrote: »

I can't sustain stamina very well and I wear 2 pc Bloodspawn and 1 Stam Regen Glyph + 3 well-fitted. This is also in CP.

Since it's actually possible to sustain stamina builds with only Dubious Camoran throne and literally no other stamina sustain sources (apart from the armor in heavy or medium) in CP PvP, you may want to have a look at your CP distribution.

If you have a stamina ability slotted, make use of the Unchained passive - it does make a pretty drastic difference.

Since you mention Siphoning attacks, you may consider using Leeching Strikes instead of the magicka counterpart.

It's pretty hard to give further advice without knowing your exact playstyle, beside the usual "use Line of sight, favor dodge roll / block for when you have absolutely no other choice and use shields when available and weave heavies as much as you can".

Using Heavies as a magicka build makes you extremely vulnerable. Stam heavy attacks are much part which is just another addition to why stamina is overpreforming

Waffennacht · April 2018

No

Stamina is not. Not generally speaking.

Some classes/abilities/sets arguably are, but not stamina generally.

NyassaV · April 2018

Yes

Waffennacht wrote: »

Stamina is not. Not generally speaking.

Some classes/abilities/sets arguably are, but not stamina generally.

The mobility that stamina has over magicka is the main paoint. Some classes abuse it more than others but over all they still have the same mobility

This isn't about nerfing stamina as much as it is about giving magicka builds the ability to actually sustain stamina

usmguy1234 · April 2018

Yes

NyassaV wrote: »

Asmael wrote: »

I can't sustain stamina very well and I wear 2 pc Bloodspawn and 1 Stam Regen Glyph + 3 well-fitted. This is also in CP.

Since it's actually possible to sustain stamina builds with only Dubious Camoran throne and literally no other stamina sustain sources (apart from the armor in heavy or medium) in CP PvP, you may want to have a look at your CP distribution.

If you have a stamina ability slotted, make use of the Unchained passive - it does make a pretty drastic difference.

Since you mention Siphoning attacks, you may consider using Leeching Strikes instead of the magicka counterpart.

It's pretty hard to give further advice without knowing your exact playstyle, beside the usual "use Line of sight, favor dodge roll / block for when you have absolutely no other choice and use shields when available and weave heavies as much as you can".

Using Heavies as a magicka build makes you extremely vulnerable. Stam heavy attacks are much part which is just another addition to why stamina is overpreforming

The only reliable heavies for mag is lightning and restro. Talk about keyholing diversity.

TimeDazzler · April 2018

Sorta

In 1 v X yes, 1 v 1 no.

DeadlyRecluse · April 2018

No

This is one of the patches where I see solid roles for almost every class+resource, just in different scales and setups.

For example, I do feel more limited in my 1v1 options as a magplar currently than I have in the past, but I still feel very strong in group contexts. And I think my suite of ranged abilities is stronger than it's been in a while, but that doesn't mesh very well with the rest of the kit, generally.

I do think stamNBs have a tendency to *feel* overpowered in 1v1s due to the overloaded nature of incap, and stamdens *feel* overpowered in small group play due to the easy and fast AOE burst of shalks+dawnbreaker. I don't think either are actually OP, though (well, I do think that warden combo, especially fueled by the ultimate-generation crack of shimmering shield is a bit much). And I certainly don't think stamina as a whole is overperforming.

NyassaV · April 2018

Yes

Cries wrote: »

In 1 v X yes, 1 v 1 no.

even in 1v1... There are a few times I will disagree. But yes this is a fairly accurate assessment

LonePirate · April 2018

Yes

Anybody who says Stamina is not overpowered obviously does not spend much time in Cyrodiil or they are intentionally lying.

JumpmanLane · April 2018

No

Stamina is not over performing. If you're running out of Stam maybe it’s your build or maybe I should roll more lol. I’m a StamDK and most of my buffs are Magicka and the vamp skills I use Elusive Mist and Invigorating Drain, Igneous Shields, Volatile Armor, Molten Armaments. all magica. I don’t run out of resources. I eat tri-stat food and pop tri-pots occasionally. No sustain issues.

As for killing stams, when I’m feeling like a *** lll use Stam Ravaging poisons and DK’s, Templars, NB’s and wardens even, die. L2P and git good are insulting so I won’t say THAT even tho nerf this caws I suck seems to be what you are saying.

Folks in ESO are quick to complain, quick to holler “NERF” when things won’t fall over dead in front of them. There’s no shame in dying. Learn from it and get better.

Morgul667 · April 2018

No

I dont think stamina is OP at all

Different playstyle, thats all

Stamina is mobile , magicka has healing and shielding

Sun7dance · April 2018

No

Fun fact:

I know a lot of players who complained about staminas, especially stamblades.
So, they started to play a stamblade too. After a few days they were complaining again:

"Oh my god, I'm dying so often! It's completly terrible!"

All these players went back to magicka, especially to sorcs.

Yes, maybe stamblades have a huge burst potential, but you always need a perfect movement!

xAk_MoRRoWiNdx · April 2018

No

Not another one of these [edited for profanity] posts. Beat a dead horse why dontcha? We have this post every patch comrad.

The only time Stam was overperforming (and really they weren't. They were at the right level) was One Tamriel days.

Kelces · April 2018

No

Sun7dance wrote: »

Fun fact:

I know a lot of players who complained about staminas, especially stamblades.
So, they started to play a stamblade too. After a few days they were complaining again:

"Oh my god, I'm dying so often! It's completly terrible!"

All these players went back to magicka, especially to sorcs.

Yes, maybe stamblades have a huge burst potential, but you always need a perfect movement!

Hehe, I felt exactly the same way.

Derra · April 2018

No

Not on pts.

Thraben · April 2018

Other

Some classes have to perform well in 1vsX situations, because they totally underperform in the large scale encounters cyrodiil is meant for. Stamplars, StamDK, and particularly StamBlades won´t get a spot in progress PvP groups larger 6.

Also, the generalization "stamina" is not helpful: It includes both StamDK and StamWarden, although both sit on totally opposite sides of the "strength" scale.

thankyourat · April 2018

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

Stamina can't handle Defile, it's hard to rate it as OP when they can get killed that easily by magbuilds who utilize Defile. This whole stamina is OP statement is only a NA thing, on EU I do not see a stamina meta outside of stamnb in open world.

Alot of Mag builds are bad against defile as well mag classes are to week against being focused as well. I don't think Stam is op but I do think it's better for general cyrodiil play. It's hard to even fit a damage set into your build as a Magicka build. Stam may not be op but I definitely feel it's meta. EU might have not caught on yet

Seraphayel · April 2018

Yes

Stamina is - depending on the class - super overpowered in PvP. They have much better weapon choices and their sets are far better for PvP. Another huge advantage is the big Stamina pool that gives them a lot of mobility and defense.

There's a reason why the overwhelming amount of players in PvP plays a Stamina build.

Own · April 2018

You can't balance stamina with all that stamina recovery? You have to seriously learn to balance your resources before you can say anything is over/underpowered. This is coming from an open world 1vx stamblade with 1500 base recovery.

The best thing you can do is run Stamina Immovability Potions and time out your sprinting into better "bursts" as a magicka toon. Don't use dodge roll as your mitigation, you have shields for that. Restro HA your shields back, and you should have a 50k+ magicka pool that's so big magicka recovery doesnt matter.

Solariken · April 2018

Sorta

Stamwarden and bleeds in general are over-performing but otherwise no.

Sun7dance · April 2018

No

Seraphayel wrote: »

Stamina is - depending on the class - super overpowered in PvP. They have much better weapon choices and their sets are far better for PvP. Another huge advantage is the big Stamina pool that gives them a lot of mobility and defense.

There's a reason why the overwhelming amount of players in PvP plays a Stamina build.

Ok, let me think about it:

1.) Weapon choice for stamina:

- 2handed
- DW
- Bow
- 1hand/shield

Weapon choice for magicka:

- 2handed
- DW
- Resto
- Destro
- 1hand/shield

2.) Tell me our op sets please!

3.) Big stamina pool? We have between 35k and maybe 42k max. stamina. Pretty much the same as magickas have. But we need our stamina for everything. Magickas can spend their magicka completely for fighting.

Seraphayel · April 2018

Yes

Sun7dance wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

Stamina is - depending on the class - super overpowered in PvP. They have much better weapon choices and their sets are far better for PvP. Another huge advantage is the big Stamina pool that gives them a lot of mobility and defense.

There's a reason why the overwhelming amount of players in PvP plays a Stamina build.

Ok, let me think about it:

1.) Weapon choice for stamina:

- 2handed
- DW
- Bow
- 1hand/shield

Weapon choice for magicka:

- 2handed
- DW
- Resto
- Destro
- 1hand/shield

2.) Tell me our op sets please!

3.) Big stamina pool? We have between 35k and maybe 42k max. stamina. Pretty much the same as magickas have. But we need our stamina for everything. Magickas can spend their magicka completely for fighting.

I find it hilarious that you list Stamina weapons for Magicka users. You can use them as stat sticks (2h/DW) or for Defense (SnB) but that's it. No Magicka character will ever use a DW or 2h ability. As said, they're stat sticks at best.

You can use your Magicka for whatever you want. The thing is in PvP a big Stamina pool with good Stamina regen is far better than the Magicka equivalent because Stealth, Break Free, Dodge Roll etc. all use the Stamina pool. As somebody mentioned heavy attacking as Stamina is easier and overall better so you don't have to worry as much about the resource as Magicka. Heavy attacking with staves in PvP is a chore.

OP sets... I said better sets. Shieldbreaker might be one of the "OP sets" though.

schattenkind · April 2018

Other

What if there would be a bonus to base regen, adapted on the players max value.

Lets say a player has 10k stam, than his base regen bonus would be 150. With 20k you get 75 bonus and so on and above 35 max stam in total, no bonus.
Replace numbers with any that come to mind, it just is an explanation of the idea and in terms of fairness, I would suggest this to magicka too. This way low-ressource builds would get a little support and big ressource pools wouldnt get any bonus at all.

Sun7dance · April 2018

No

Seraphayel wrote: »

I find it hilarious that you list Stamina weapons for Magicka users. You can use them as stat sticks (2h/DW) or for Defense (SnB) but that's it. No Magicka character will ever use a DW or 2h ability. As said, they're stat sticks at best.

You can use your Magicka for whatever you want. The thing is in PvP a big Stamina pool with good Stamina regen is far better than the Magicka equivalent because Stealth, Break Free, Dodge Roll etc. all use the Stamina pool. As somebody mentioned heavy attacking as Stamina is easier and overall better so you don't have to worry as much about the resource as Magicka. Heavy attacking with staves in PvP is a chore.

OP sets... I said better sets. Shieldbreaker might be one of the "OP sets" though.

Oh, yes, i play a 5p. bonus just for sorcs...maybe for magblades too!
Magickas don't use 2handed skills?

- light attacks to stun your target from behind, when you are in stealth
- heavy attack to restore stamina: thats a huge advantage, coz staminas cant't restore magicka with heavy attacks!
- I know many magblades using the other morph of rally and this skill is the only reason, why staminas use 2handed too! So, pretty the same actually! Yes, some staminas use the finisher and wrecking Blow, but they would use DW, if there would be a skill like Rally.

Magblades using 2handed with forward momentum and Caluurion’s Legacy currently are much more dangerous than stamblades.
They can endless cloak, shield and have a burst like Selene and Viper did together previously. Furthermore they can remove all snares and immobilizations with forward momentum and get immunity to them for 8 seconds.

Ragnarock41 · April 2018

No

Thraben wrote: »

Some classes have to perform well in 1vsX situations, because they totally underperform in the large scale encounters cyrodiil is meant for. Stamplars, StamDK, and particularly StamBlades won´t get a spot in progress PvP groups larger 6.

Also, the generalization "stamina" is not helpful: It includes both StamDK and StamWarden, although both sit on totally opposite sides of the "strength" scale.

This man understands it.

DeadlyRecluse · April 2018

No

Seraphayel wrote: »

No Magicka character will ever use a DW or 2h ability. As said, they're stat sticks at best.

Forward Momentum and 2H ult say hi.

Seraphayel · April 2018

Yes

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

No Magicka character will ever use a DW or 2h ability. As said, they're stat sticks at best.

Forward Momentum and 2H ult say hi.

I really must have missed those exotic MagDPS that use 2h skills and the Ulti.

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