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PTS Update 18 - Feedback Thread for Nightblade Balance
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✭The nerf to crit heals from shadowy had to occur. We can't have one of the best bursts in the game AND heal decently. Makes no sense. Plus, this will make the unskilled nbs/unbalanced builds easier to kill, which makes me really happy.Edited by Nerftheforums on April 24, 2018 11:23AM3 -
bullgod187✭✭Over all a NB is a very effective killer and is that way because the player has put work in for those passive, cp and skills that make it effective. Every time someone complains and wants them nerfed makes me wonder what work have they done in those areas? Please leave the NB be, it’s been nerfed several times since ESO OT dropped.3 -
KingJ✭✭✭✭✭
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That makes Zero sense all classes should have good healing.Nerftheforums wrote: »The nerf to crit heals from shadowy had to occur. We can't have one of the best bursts in the game AND heal decently. Makes no sense. Plus, this will make the unskilled nbs/unbalanced builds easier to kill, which makes me really happy.2 -
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That makes Zero sense all classes should have good healing.Nerftheforums wrote: »The nerf to crit heals from shadowy had to occur. We can't have one of the best bursts in the game AND heal decently. Makes no sense. Plus, this will make the unskilled nbs/unbalanced builds easier to kill, which makes me really happy.
Where is the good healing for sorcs then?0 -
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That makes Zero sense all classes should have good healing.Nerftheforums wrote: »The nerf to crit heals from shadowy had to occur. We can't have one of the best bursts in the game AND heal decently. Makes no sense. Plus, this will make the unskilled nbs/unbalanced builds easier to kill, which makes me really happy.
Where is the good healing for sorcs then?
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BohnT✭✭✭✭✭
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That makes Zero sense all classes should have good healing.Nerftheforums wrote: »The nerf to crit heals from shadowy had to occur. We can't have one of the best bursts in the game AND heal decently. Makes no sense. Plus, this will make the unskilled nbs/unbalanced builds easier to kill, which makes me really happy.
Where is the good healing for sorcs then?
I give you both for siphoning attacks
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DDuke✭✭✭✭✭
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That makes Zero sense all classes should have good healing.Nerftheforums wrote: »The nerf to crit heals from shadowy had to occur. We can't have one of the best bursts in the game AND heal decently. Makes no sense. Plus, this will make the unskilled nbs/unbalanced builds easier to kill, which makes me really happy.
Where is the good healing for sorcs then?
I give you both for siphoning attacks
Siphoning Attacks is half the heal of Surge & only applies to (usually dodgeable) light/heavy attacks, where as Surge not only heals for more, but can act as a "heal over time" with a DoT on target.
I don't see in what universe Siphoning Attacks would be a stronger heal, and even for sustain it's extremely unreliable as it can be neutered nigh useless by dodge rolling/cloaking.
Nor does it give Major Brutality/Sorcery, which would be a godsend for non-2H stamblades.7 -
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That makes Zero sense all classes should have good healing.Nerftheforums wrote: »The nerf to crit heals from shadowy had to occur. We can't have one of the best bursts in the game AND heal decently. Makes no sense. Plus, this will make the unskilled nbs/unbalanced builds easier to kill, which makes me really happy.
Where is the good healing for sorcs then?
Tooltips aren’t real PvP. Or is Snipe OP because you can crit for 41k?Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.1 -
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That makes Zero sense all classes should have good healing.Nerftheforums wrote: »The nerf to crit heals from shadowy had to occur. We can't have one of the best bursts in the game AND heal decently. Makes no sense. Plus, this will make the unskilled nbs/unbalanced builds easier to kill, which makes me really happy.
Where is the good healing for sorcs then?
I give you both for siphoning attacks
Other than soul siphon, and sap essence, what other siphon ability grants a heal to a pet and 2 other friendly targets at will with almost 10k healing? Malevolent offering sacrifices some health. Sap essence doesn't tick for 9.5k unless you're buffed. As long as the sorc has magicka, he/she potentially has enough magicka to heal themselves. That is still good healing for sorcs.#NoEasyProps4 -
KingJ✭✭✭✭✭
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@DDuke beat me to it plus they can stack shields so yea.
That makes Zero sense all classes should have good healing.Nerftheforums wrote: »The nerf to crit heals from shadowy had to occur. We can't have one of the best bursts in the game AND heal decently. Makes no sense. Plus, this will make the unskilled nbs/unbalanced builds easier to kill, which makes me really happy.
Where is the good healing for sorcs then?
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BohnT✭✭✭✭✭
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@DDuke beat me to it plus they can stack shields so yea.
That makes Zero sense all classes should have good healing.Nerftheforums wrote: »The nerf to crit heals from shadowy had to occur. We can't have one of the best bursts in the game AND heal decently. Makes no sense. Plus, this will make the unskilled nbs/unbalanced builds easier to kill, which makes me really happy.
Where is the good healing for sorcs then?
Nightblades can cloak so what?
Nightblades don't have weak survivability or anything they are just as good and even better than other classes.0 -
KingJ✭✭✭✭✭
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Never said Nb were bad but stamblades have *** healing compared to every other class which is a fact.
@DDuke beat me to it plus they can stack shields so yea.
That makes Zero sense all classes should have good healing.Nerftheforums wrote: »The nerf to crit heals from shadowy had to occur. We can't have one of the best bursts in the game AND heal decently. Makes no sense. Plus, this will make the unskilled nbs/unbalanced builds easier to kill, which makes me really happy.
Where is the good healing for sorcs then?
Nightblades can cloak so what?
Nightblades don't have weak survivability or anything they are just as good and even better than other classes.
Cloak have a crapton of counters (Which some should be buffed) but its stuff outside of class that makes it strong dodge roll and shuffle are the biggest factor since shuffle removes roots and snares they have the freedom of movement.We see with magblades that just cloak alone isn't enough since they are snared to hell.They have better healing options than stamblades.Just saying Nb have cloak doesn't change they fact stamblades have the worst healing now does it?
I say classes are on par with each other expect for stamdk and stamwarden but stamdk are just trash now.Stamwarden are broken.
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Roboplus✭✭✭I'm a NB Tank. But I'm not always a NB Tank. Sometimes I solo. For those occasions, the invis was really great. My DPS is poor so the ability to quickly ghost past enemies in delves or public dungeons was invaluable.
A version of the invis move for tanks sounded good, until I realized it was no longer an invis at all. I don't see why the tank morph isn't a simple buff; turning Minor Protection into a passive. This is exactly what one of the Psijic morphs are so I know it's not a design decision. I don't see why the Max Health heal at all (unless it's for healers to regenerate health they spent on Offering). And I don't see why make a NB if not for having access to an invis (at least on occasion).
Bottom line, do what you think is best. However until we can select both morphs, I'm a tank, but not losing my invis.0 -
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Do you guys honestly not know how to keep a NB out of cloak where you play? Imagine playing a class where there were literally over a dozen counters to your only defensive ability and on a platform where people actually used them. It can be F’ing brutal.
@DDuke beat me to it plus they can stack shields so yea.
That makes Zero sense all classes should have good healing.Nerftheforums wrote: »The nerf to crit heals from shadowy had to occur. We can't have one of the best bursts in the game AND heal decently. Makes no sense. Plus, this will make the unskilled nbs/unbalanced builds easier to kill, which makes me really happy.
Where is the good healing for sorcs then?
Nightblades can cloak so what?
Nightblades don't have weak survivability or anything they are just as good and even better than other classes.
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Do you guys honestly not know how to keep a NB out of cloak where you play? Imagine playing a class where there were literally over a dozen counters to your only defensive ability and on a platform where people actually used them. It can be F’ing brutal.
@DDuke beat me to it plus they can stack shields so yea.
That makes Zero sense all classes should have good healing.Nerftheforums wrote: »The nerf to crit heals from shadowy had to occur. We can't have one of the best bursts in the game AND heal decently. Makes no sense. Plus, this will make the unskilled nbs/unbalanced builds easier to kill, which makes me really happy.
Where is the good healing for sorcs then?
Nightblades can cloak so what?
Nightblades don't have weak survivability or anything they are just as good and even better than other classes.
Don't Nightblades know how to get away with shade and cloak where you play?
If i get revealed on any of my nbs i made a mistake or someone's using detection pots and that issue is solved in ~5 seconds with shade and LoS.
Also the counters to cloak are very bad. Spamming AoEs into the dark is a complete waste if resources and i will just go back into stealth and you can keep spamming your AoEs until i can Port back to my shade and i'm gone.
The other 2 reveals mage light/ expert hunter either have no bar space on most builds and also feature a tiny range.
The only viable counter to cloak is mark and which class has access to it and mark is arguably overperfoming as it's duration is way too long1 -
KingJ✭✭✭✭✭
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The counters work prefect when I'm getting zerged by 75 people lol
Do you guys honestly not know how to keep a NB out of cloak where you play? Imagine playing a class where there were literally over a dozen counters to your only defensive ability and on a platform where people actually used them. It can be F’ing brutal.
@DDuke beat me to it plus they can stack shields so yea.
That makes Zero sense all classes should have good healing.Nerftheforums wrote: »The nerf to crit heals from shadowy had to occur. We can't have one of the best bursts in the game AND heal decently. Makes no sense. Plus, this will make the unskilled nbs/unbalanced builds easier to kill, which makes me really happy.
Where is the good healing for sorcs then?
Nightblades can cloak so what?
Nightblades don't have weak survivability or anything they are just as good and even better than other classes.
Don't Nightblades know how to get away with shade and cloak where you play?
If i get revealed on any of my nbs i made a mistake or someone's using detection pots and that issue is solved in ~5 seconds with shade and LoS.
Also the counters to cloak are very bad. Spamming AoEs into the dark is a complete waste if resources and i will just go back into stealth and you can keep spamming your AoEs until i can Port back to my shade and i'm gone.
The other 2 reveals mage light/ expert hunter either have no bar space on most builds and also feature a tiny range.
The only viable counter to cloak is mark and which class has access to it and mark is arguably overperfoming as it's duration is way too long
Cloak works better on stamblade who can dodge and use shuffle. Tbh I have no issues finding NB on my stamplar and warden but that's because I played a stamblade for so long i know how they think and I keep the fight near your shade so I search for you near that.0 -
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The counters work prefect when I'm getting zerged by 75 people lol
Do you guys honestly not know how to keep a NB out of cloak where you play? Imagine playing a class where there were literally over a dozen counters to your only defensive ability and on a platform where people actually used them. It can be F’ing brutal.
@DDuke beat me to it plus they can stack shields so yea.
That makes Zero sense all classes should have good healing.Nerftheforums wrote: »The nerf to crit heals from shadowy had to occur. We can't have one of the best bursts in the game AND heal decently. Makes no sense. Plus, this will make the unskilled nbs/unbalanced builds easier to kill, which makes me really happy.
Where is the good healing for sorcs then?
Nightblades can cloak so what?
Nightblades don't have weak survivability or anything they are just as good and even better than other classes.
Don't Nightblades know how to get away with shade and cloak where you play?
If i get revealed on any of my nbs i made a mistake or someone's using detection pots and that issue is solved in ~5 seconds with shade and LoS.
Also the counters to cloak are very bad. Spamming AoEs into the dark is a complete waste if resources and i will just go back into stealth and you can keep spamming your AoEs until i can Port back to my shade and i'm gone.
The other 2 reveals mage light/ expert hunter either have no bar space on most builds and also feature a tiny range.
The only viable counter to cloak is mark and which class has access to it and mark is arguably overperfoming as it's duration is way too long
Cloak works better on stamblade who can dodge and use shuffle. Tbh I have no issues finding NB on my stamplar and warden but that's because I played a stamblade for so long i know how they think and I keep the fight near your shade so I search for you near that.
If you get zerged by 75 people with a stamnb you made another critical mistake you don't have to engage at all and also if you compare the chances of nightblades to survive getting zerged with any other class you known why NB is the best class for OW pvp if you don't want to die often while killing lots of people.
Well have fun waiting on my shade i won't be there if i need to get away so you can just stay at my shade but please don't feed him he gets fat really fast0 -
KingJ✭✭✭✭✭
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It usually start as 1v3 or 4-5 but on xbox that quickly turns to 1v20+.
The counters work prefect when I'm getting zerged by 75 people lol
Do you guys honestly not know how to keep a NB out of cloak where you play? Imagine playing a class where there were literally over a dozen counters to your only defensive ability and on a platform where people actually used them. It can be F’ing brutal.
@DDuke beat me to it plus they can stack shields so yea.
That makes Zero sense all classes should have good healing.Nerftheforums wrote: »The nerf to crit heals from shadowy had to occur. We can't have one of the best bursts in the game AND heal decently. Makes no sense. Plus, this will make the unskilled nbs/unbalanced builds easier to kill, which makes me really happy.
Where is the good healing for sorcs then?
Nightblades can cloak so what?
Nightblades don't have weak survivability or anything they are just as good and even better than other classes.
Don't Nightblades know how to get away with shade and cloak where you play?
If i get revealed on any of my nbs i made a mistake or someone's using detection pots and that issue is solved in ~5 seconds with shade and LoS.
Also the counters to cloak are very bad. Spamming AoEs into the dark is a complete waste if resources and i will just go back into stealth and you can keep spamming your AoEs until i can Port back to my shade and i'm gone.
The other 2 reveals mage light/ expert hunter either have no bar space on most builds and also feature a tiny range.
The only viable counter to cloak is mark and which class has access to it and mark is arguably overperfoming as it's duration is way too long
Cloak works better on stamblade who can dodge and use shuffle. Tbh I have no issues finding NB on my stamplar and warden but that's because I played a stamblade for so long i know how they think and I keep the fight near your shade so I search for you near that.
If you get zerged by 75 people with a stamnb you made another critical mistake you don't have to engage at all and also if you compare the chances of nightblades to survive getting zerged with any other class you known why NB is the best class for OW pvp if you don't want to die often while killing lots of people.
Well have fun waiting on my shade i won't be there if i need to get away so you can just stay at my shade but please don't feed him he gets fat really fast
Than i won the fight you ran away fine with me but like I said I bring the fight towards the shade not search the shade for you and when I get you low where your about to run away its easy to pin you down.
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It usually start as 1v3 or 4-5 but on xbox that quickly turns to 1v20+.
The counters work prefect when I'm getting zerged by 75 people lol
Do you guys honestly not know how to keep a NB out of cloak where you play? Imagine playing a class where there were literally over a dozen counters to your only defensive ability and on a platform where people actually used them. It can be F’ing brutal.
@DDuke beat me to it plus they can stack shields so yea.
That makes Zero sense all classes should have good healing.Nerftheforums wrote: »The nerf to crit heals from shadowy had to occur. We can't have one of the best bursts in the game AND heal decently. Makes no sense. Plus, this will make the unskilled nbs/unbalanced builds easier to kill, which makes me really happy.
Where is the good healing for sorcs then?
Nightblades can cloak so what?
Nightblades don't have weak survivability or anything they are just as good and even better than other classes.
Don't Nightblades know how to get away with shade and cloak where you play?
If i get revealed on any of my nbs i made a mistake or someone's using detection pots and that issue is solved in ~5 seconds with shade and LoS.
Also the counters to cloak are very bad. Spamming AoEs into the dark is a complete waste if resources and i will just go back into stealth and you can keep spamming your AoEs until i can Port back to my shade and i'm gone.
The other 2 reveals mage light/ expert hunter either have no bar space on most builds and also feature a tiny range.
The only viable counter to cloak is mark and which class has access to it and mark is arguably overperfoming as it's duration is way too long
Cloak works better on stamblade who can dodge and use shuffle. Tbh I have no issues finding NB on my stamplar and warden but that's because I played a stamblade for so long i know how they think and I keep the fight near your shade so I search for you near that.
If you get zerged by 75 people with a stamnb you made another critical mistake you don't have to engage at all and also if you compare the chances of nightblades to survive getting zerged with any other class you known why NB is the best class for OW pvp if you don't want to die often while killing lots of people.
Well have fun waiting on my shade i won't be there if i need to get away so you can just stay at my shade but please don't feed him he gets fat really fast
Than i won the fight you ran away fine with me but like I said I bring the fight towards the shade not search the shade for you and when I get you low where your about to run away its easy to pin you down.
You haven't won the fight that is exactly what is the problem. A Nb has the advantage when fleeing and coming back due to its exceptional frontloaded burst. You may survive two or three times and then i get lucky and you are the one on the floor.
You can't take the fight to a shade unless the nb can be triggered and that is a huge issue for most Nbs which don't understand that they have the advantage as they can choose the time when to fight but when they give away that advantage they just die over and over again0 -
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Yea but what if you never get lucky. If I survive each time that NB gets upset more and more and i take control of the fight you want kill me so bad the keep going when they should pull off.
It usually start as 1v3 or 4-5 but on xbox that quickly turns to 1v20+.
The counters work prefect when I'm getting zerged by 75 people lol
Do you guys honestly not know how to keep a NB out of cloak where you play? Imagine playing a class where there were literally over a dozen counters to your only defensive ability and on a platform where people actually used them. It can be F’ing brutal.
@DDuke beat me to it plus they can stack shields so yea.
That makes Zero sense all classes should have good healing.Nerftheforums wrote: »The nerf to crit heals from shadowy had to occur. We can't have one of the best bursts in the game AND heal decently. Makes no sense. Plus, this will make the unskilled nbs/unbalanced builds easier to kill, which makes me really happy.
Where is the good healing for sorcs then?
Nightblades can cloak so what?
Nightblades don't have weak survivability or anything they are just as good and even better than other classes.
Don't Nightblades know how to get away with shade and cloak where you play?
If i get revealed on any of my nbs i made a mistake or someone's using detection pots and that issue is solved in ~5 seconds with shade and LoS.
Also the counters to cloak are very bad. Spamming AoEs into the dark is a complete waste if resources and i will just go back into stealth and you can keep spamming your AoEs until i can Port back to my shade and i'm gone.
The other 2 reveals mage light/ expert hunter either have no bar space on most builds and also feature a tiny range.
The only viable counter to cloak is mark and which class has access to it and mark is arguably overperfoming as it's duration is way too long
Cloak works better on stamblade who can dodge and use shuffle. Tbh I have no issues finding NB on my stamplar and warden but that's because I played a stamblade for so long i know how they think and I keep the fight near your shade so I search for you near that.
If you get zerged by 75 people with a stamnb you made another critical mistake you don't have to engage at all and also if you compare the chances of nightblades to survive getting zerged with any other class you known why NB is the best class for OW pvp if you don't want to die often while killing lots of people.
Well have fun waiting on my shade i won't be there if i need to get away so you can just stay at my shade but please don't feed him he gets fat really fast
Than i won the fight you ran away fine with me but like I said I bring the fight towards the shade not search the shade for you and when I get you low where your about to run away its easy to pin you down.
You haven't won the fight that is exactly what is the problem. A Nb has the advantage when fleeing and coming back due to its exceptional frontloaded burst. You may survive two or three times and then i get lucky and you are the one on the floor.
You can't take the fight to a shade unless the nb can be triggered and that is a huge issue for most Nbs which don't understand that they have the advantage as they can choose the time when to fight but when they give away that advantage they just die over and over again
Even you admit it NB are triggered easily.0 -
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Do you guys honestly not know how to keep a NB out of cloak where you play? Imagine playing a class where there were literally over a dozen counters to your only defensive ability and on a platform where people actually used them. It can be F’ing brutal.
@DDuke beat me to it plus they can stack shields so yea.
That makes Zero sense all classes should have good healing.Nerftheforums wrote: »The nerf to crit heals from shadowy had to occur. We can't have one of the best bursts in the game AND heal decently. Makes no sense. Plus, this will make the unskilled nbs/unbalanced builds easier to kill, which makes me really happy.
Where is the good healing for sorcs then?
Nightblades can cloak so what?
Nightblades don't have weak survivability or anything they are just as good and even better than other classes.
Don't Nightblades know how to get away with shade and cloak where you play?
If i get revealed on any of my nbs i made a mistake or someone's using detection pots and that issue is solved in ~5 seconds with shade and LoS.
Also the counters to cloak are very bad. Spamming AoEs into the dark is a complete waste if resources and i will just go back into stealth and you can keep spamming your AoEs until i can Port back to my shade and i'm gone.
The other 2 reveals mage light/ expert hunter either have no bar space on most builds and also feature a tiny range.
The only viable counter to cloak is mark and which class has access to it and mark is arguably overperfoming as it's duration is way too long
You will just get your shade camped. And once you get revealed with spin to win your never getting back into cloak. In my groups we have ppl dedicated solely to keeping NB’s from stealthing with steel tornado. I think you play in a different world.
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Do you guys honestly not know how to keep a NB out of cloak where you play? Imagine playing a class where there were literally over a dozen counters to your only defensive ability and on a platform where people actually used them. It can be F’ing brutal.
@DDuke beat me to it plus they can stack shields so yea.
That makes Zero sense all classes should have good healing.Nerftheforums wrote: »The nerf to crit heals from shadowy had to occur. We can't have one of the best bursts in the game AND heal decently. Makes no sense. Plus, this will make the unskilled nbs/unbalanced builds easier to kill, which makes me really happy.
Where is the good healing for sorcs then?
Nightblades can cloak so what?
Nightblades don't have weak survivability or anything they are just as good and even better than other classes.
Don't Nightblades know how to get away with shade and cloak where you play?
If i get revealed on any of my nbs i made a mistake or someone's using detection pots and that issue is solved in ~5 seconds with shade and LoS.
Also the counters to cloak are very bad. Spamming AoEs into the dark is a complete waste if resources and i will just go back into stealth and you can keep spamming your AoEs until i can Port back to my shade and i'm gone.
The other 2 reveals mage light/ expert hunter either have no bar space on most builds and also feature a tiny range.
The only viable counter to cloak is mark and which class has access to it and mark is arguably overperfoming as it's duration is way too long
You will just get your shade camped. And once you get revealed with spin to win your never getting back into cloak. In my groups we have ppl dedicated solely to keeping NB’s from stealthing with steel tornado. I think you play in a different world.
So you need multiple players to take down a single nightblade? You even have players focusing mainly on countering nightblades.
Also have fun camping my shade i will just put down a new one with LoS and cloak. The guy spamming steel tornado gets stunned and i cloak out of his range and he can try to find me.0 -
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The counters work prefect when I'm getting zerged by 75 people lol
Do you guys honestly not know how to keep a NB out of cloak where you play? Imagine playing a class where there were literally over a dozen counters to your only defensive ability and on a platform where people actually used them. It can be F’ing brutal.
@DDuke beat me to it plus they can stack shields so yea.
That makes Zero sense all classes should have good healing.Nerftheforums wrote: »The nerf to crit heals from shadowy had to occur. We can't have one of the best bursts in the game AND heal decently. Makes no sense. Plus, this will make the unskilled nbs/unbalanced builds easier to kill, which makes me really happy.
Where is the good healing for sorcs then?
Nightblades can cloak so what?
Nightblades don't have weak survivability or anything they are just as good and even better than other classes.
Don't Nightblades know how to get away with shade and cloak where you play?
If i get revealed on any of my nbs i made a mistake or someone's using detection pots and that issue is solved in ~5 seconds with shade and LoS.
Also the counters to cloak are very bad. Spamming AoEs into the dark is a complete waste if resources and i will just go back into stealth and you can keep spamming your AoEs until i can Port back to my shade and i'm gone.
The other 2 reveals mage light/ expert hunter either have no bar space on most builds and also feature a tiny range.
The only viable counter to cloak is mark and which class has access to it and mark is arguably overperfoming as it's duration is way too long
Cloak works better on stamblade who can dodge and use shuffle. Tbh I have no issues finding NB on my stamplar and warden but that's because I played a stamblade for so long i know how they think and I keep the fight near your shade so I search for you near that.
You really shouldn't use "getting zerged by 75 people" as any form of measure when talking about defensive options.
If you are caught out against 75 players, mistakes where made well in advance. The irony here being that of ANY class, NBs are the most likely to manage to get away with image and some los.
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✭exeeter702 wrote: »
The counters work prefect when I'm getting zerged by 75 people lol
Do you guys honestly not know how to keep a NB out of cloak where you play? Imagine playing a class where there were literally over a dozen counters to your only defensive ability and on a platform where people actually used them. It can be F’ing brutal.
@DDuke beat me to it plus they can stack shields so yea.
That makes Zero sense all classes should have good healing.Nerftheforums wrote: »The nerf to crit heals from shadowy had to occur. We can't have one of the best bursts in the game AND heal decently. Makes no sense. Plus, this will make the unskilled nbs/unbalanced builds easier to kill, which makes me really happy.
Where is the good healing for sorcs then?
Nightblades can cloak so what?
Nightblades don't have weak survivability or anything they are just as good and even better than other classes.
Don't Nightblades know how to get away with shade and cloak where you play?
If i get revealed on any of my nbs i made a mistake or someone's using detection pots and that issue is solved in ~5 seconds with shade and LoS.
Also the counters to cloak are very bad. Spamming AoEs into the dark is a complete waste if resources and i will just go back into stealth and you can keep spamming your AoEs until i can Port back to my shade and i'm gone.
The other 2 reveals mage light/ expert hunter either have no bar space on most builds and also feature a tiny range.
The only viable counter to cloak is mark and which class has access to it and mark is arguably overperfoming as it's duration is way too long
Cloak works better on stamblade who can dodge and use shuffle. Tbh I have no issues finding NB on my stamplar and warden but that's because I played a stamblade for so long i know how they think and I keep the fight near your shade so I search for you near that.
You really shouldn't use "getting zerged by 75 people" as any form of measure when talking about defensive options.
If you are caught out against 75 players, mistakes where made well in advance. The irony here being that of ANY class, NBs are the most likely to manage to get away with image and some los.
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Nope. It’s for groups with Nightblades in them. You must be the best Nightblade ever. Better than any I’ve ever encountered in my 90k+ AvA kills or thousands of duels. Or more likely you have little actual experience with the class, play against total scrubs, or create these fantastic forum scenarios where your Nightblade always escapes with OP cloak then kills everyone with OP Incap. I give up lol.
Do you guys honestly not know how to keep a NB out of cloak where you play? Imagine playing a class where there were literally over a dozen counters to your only defensive ability and on a platform where people actually used them. It can be F’ing brutal.
@DDuke beat me to it plus they can stack shields so yea.
That makes Zero sense all classes should have good healing.Nerftheforums wrote: »The nerf to crit heals from shadowy had to occur. We can't have one of the best bursts in the game AND heal decently. Makes no sense. Plus, this will make the unskilled nbs/unbalanced builds easier to kill, which makes me really happy.
Where is the good healing for sorcs then?
Nightblades can cloak so what?
Nightblades don't have weak survivability or anything they are just as good and even better than other classes.
Don't Nightblades know how to get away with shade and cloak where you play?
If i get revealed on any of my nbs i made a mistake or someone's using detection pots and that issue is solved in ~5 seconds with shade and LoS.
Also the counters to cloak are very bad. Spamming AoEs into the dark is a complete waste if resources and i will just go back into stealth and you can keep spamming your AoEs until i can Port back to my shade and i'm gone.
The other 2 reveals mage light/ expert hunter either have no bar space on most builds and also feature a tiny range.
The only viable counter to cloak is mark and which class has access to it and mark is arguably overperfoming as it's duration is way too long
You will just get your shade camped. And once you get revealed with spin to win your never getting back into cloak. In my groups we have ppl dedicated solely to keeping NB’s from stealthing with steel tornado. I think you play in a different world.
So you need multiple players to take down a single nightblade? You even have players focusing mainly on countering nightblades.
Also have fun camping my shade i will just put down a new one with LoS and cloak. The guy spamming steel tornado gets stunned and i cloak out of his range and he can try to find me.
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Nope. It’s for groups with Nightblades in them. You must be the best Nightblade ever. Better than any I’ve ever encountered in my 90k+ AvA kills or thousands of duels. Or more likely you have little actual experience with the class, play against total scrubs, or create these fantastic forum scenarios where your Nightblade always escapes with OP cloak then kills everyone with OP Incap. I give up lol.
Do you guys honestly not know how to keep a NB out of cloak where you play? Imagine playing a class where there were literally over a dozen counters to your only defensive ability and on a platform where people actually used them. It can be F’ing brutal.
@DDuke beat me to it plus they can stack shields so yea.
That makes Zero sense all classes should have good healing.Nerftheforums wrote: »The nerf to crit heals from shadowy had to occur. We can't have one of the best bursts in the game AND heal decently. Makes no sense. Plus, this will make the unskilled nbs/unbalanced builds easier to kill, which makes me really happy.
Where is the good healing for sorcs then?
Nightblades can cloak so what?
Nightblades don't have weak survivability or anything they are just as good and even better than other classes.
Don't Nightblades know how to get away with shade and cloak where you play?
If i get revealed on any of my nbs i made a mistake or someone's using detection pots and that issue is solved in ~5 seconds with shade and LoS.
Also the counters to cloak are very bad. Spamming AoEs into the dark is a complete waste if resources and i will just go back into stealth and you can keep spamming your AoEs until i can Port back to my shade and i'm gone.
The other 2 reveals mage light/ expert hunter either have no bar space on most builds and also feature a tiny range.
The only viable counter to cloak is mark and which class has access to it and mark is arguably overperfoming as it's duration is way too long
You will just get your shade camped. And once you get revealed with spin to win your never getting back into cloak. In my groups we have ppl dedicated solely to keeping NB’s from stealthing with steel tornado. I think you play in a different world.
So you need multiple players to take down a single nightblade? You even have players focusing mainly on countering nightblades.
Also have fun camping my shade i will just put down a new one with LoS and cloak. The guy spamming steel tornado gets stunned and i cloak out of his range and he can try to find me.
No I'm not the best NB and i definitly die on my NB or meet players i can't kill but overall:
- I kill more people faster than on other specs
- When i meet a better player i have a much better chance of getting away than any other class
- i do get most kills on my NB after 3-4 GCDs after leaving cloak (=/= first gcds of the fight) when most other classes can't access their burst potential
- i get countless of kills with incap + will only because incap stuns and will brings them to a health range where they can't heal up again
- if you tell me don't die in PvP i will choose my NB and i won't die that day while still killing enemies
- But i do get zerged by tryhards
- i die because i make mistakes
- i fail to pull off the perfect rotation with proper timing
That doesn't change that NB is right now completely unbalanced because you have the tools to always prevent a backloaded burst rota from hitting you with full damage, while also unloading your full frontloaded burst and having the tools to disengage.
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✭✭✭✭You cannot kill good players with Incap. Ok, maybe if they are very low on Health.
Most of the good players exactly know, when to dodge a nightblade combo. This makes your Incap much more expensive than 70 Ulti, coz you miss so many times.
I caught myself using Dawnbreaker more and more.
Nightblades can cloak? Yes, but you all know the problem near every keep or ressources. If you get detected by any guard, they will follow you through whole Cyrodiil. You can cloak, but you cannot go into stealth. So, you spend tons of magicka to stay invisible.
And last but not least nichtblades are melee and that's especially in PvP much more difficult. You have to turn arround so often, looking for your target.
Ok, i play on PS4 with a controller, maybe on PC it's a bit easier to handle.
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✭✭@ZOS_Wrobel Please consider adding snare removal and short snare immunity to double take.Ranged magicka nightblade really need this in open world..anything breaks you out of cloak these days.
And that’s why discussing NB in this forum is so ridiculous. You want snare removal. And snare immunity. And Major Evasion for 26 (!) seconds. And Major Expedition for 4 seconds. On a skill with 3510 magicka base cost.
While we’re at it, would you like Major Heroism on the skill too? I mean it’s not like it’s overloaded then yet. And I don’t even want to go to the topic of Heavy Armour stamBlades that can slot Rally if they get snare removal on Blur.
try playing a magicka nightblade in cyrodiil open world solo for a day you'll see what I mean
They could remove major evasion for snare removal and short immunity for all I care. It's one of the hardest spec to play because most of the time we can't cloak to heal because of the snares and all the things that breaks cloak. I believe major evasion on magicka is not needed it belongs to medium armor imo.
I dunno about you but magicka nightblades who are lizzards and use resto ult feel impossible to kill.
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That makes Zero sense all classes should have good healing.Nerftheforums wrote: »The nerf to crit heals from shadowy had to occur. We can't have one of the best bursts in the game AND heal decently. Makes no sense. Plus, this will make the unskilled nbs/unbalanced builds easier to kill, which makes me really happy.
Nightblades still have good heals, they just aren't as easy to get with the cloak nerf.
Look at a traditional 2h/bow medium armor setup on a stam sorc, stam dk, stamden and stamblade, assuming the sets are the same.
In order to reach similar (slightly weaker) heals than a stamblade, stam sorcs need to go out of their way to slot Crit Surge. It is not a necessary skill as Major Brutality is gained via Rally and the skill itself does nothing but heal, conditionally at that.
A stam DK will slot Igneous for Major Mending. This skill is used solely for the increased healing.
Even a Stamden is going to slot Soothing Spores solely for healing purposes.
Now consider NBs. What skill do they slot solely for benefiting healing? You're going to slot Cloak either way. You're not giving up a bar slot for a healing ability unlike all the other classes (with the exception of stamplar, which is debatable). You're essentially getting heavy armor level healing for FREE. Now stamblades, just like any other stam class, need to slot an additional skill for increased healing. Perfectly fair.
Now the obvious argument is that night blade healing skills/passives are lack lustre relatively. An offence oriented class should have relatively weaker heals (not useless but not as effective as say a stamplar, stamden or stamDK). This change brings night blade heals more in line with stam sorcs, which are the other offence oriented class.
That said, night blade healing skills could use a buff. Malevolent Offering sucks and if I referenced Power Extraction, most people wouldn't even know what that is.
Nightblades should have the weakest heals amongst the classes as they are the most offence oriented class. Again, weak does not mean useless, it just means if a DK/warden heals for 4 health a Nightblade should heal for 2 with all the other classes in-between.Edited by IAVITNI on April 25, 2018 3:27PM0
