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Mechanical Acuity and nightblade execute should be balanced
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Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭It's not BiS if you're a Khajiit stam DD that already has ~75% crit chance. Especially applicable to Stamblades. In that case, you only get like 5-6% crit benefit from the 5-piece bonus.
You're better off playing with any of:
- War Machine on DW bar and Hundings on body
- Briarheart on DW bar and War Machine on body
- Briarheart on DW bar and Hundings on body (if you don't have War Machine)
With the nerf to physical penetration (NMG and Sunder) it's quite likely that War Machine on DW bar and TFS on body will perform as well if not better on trials. Will need testing.
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HuawaSepp✭✭✭Since MA requires the player to play with the proc in mind it’s ok for the set to be better than Julianos. The set that has a higher skill requirement deserves to be better.
Play with the proc? Dude, you literally just front bar the set and it procs when all your dots are down and you are using your spammable... Julianos isn't a set that you should be front barring only.
You may delay some of your dots for your spammable.
That means you alter your rotation because of acuity and therefore it has a higher skill requirement.PTS-EU1 -
JohnStorm✭✭✭You may delay some of your dots for your spammable.
That means you alter your rotation because of acuity and therefore it has a higher skill requirement.
You don't have to do that for it to be better than Julianos. You don't even need to front bar it in order for it to be better than Juli... sorcs run it on the body cuz of Asylum staff. Julianos is only good if you keep it on the body...It's not BiS if you're a Khajiit stam DD that already has ~75% crit chance. Especially applicable to Stamblades. In that case, you only get like 5-6% crit benefit from the 5-piece bonus.
You're better off playing with any of:
- War Machine on DW bar and Hundings on body
- Briarheart on DW bar and War Machine on body
- Briarheart on DW bar and Hundings on body (if you don't have War Machine)
With the nerf to physical penetration (NMG and Sunder) it's quite likely that War Machine on DW bar and TFS on body will perform as well if not better on trials. Will need testing.
Or, you can just run acuity axe and sword, WM on the body, and there you go, you will benefit way more DPS wise. The axe bleed is really good for single target and the sword will buff your overall damage, while you get to keep high crit chance.Edited by JohnStorm on April 23, 2018 10:08AM0 -
Sparr0w✭✭✭✭✭
✭Acuitys crap if you cant manage the proc, sorc has a lot more survivability than nb.
Lets make tanks do 40k damage too while we're at it
@Sparr0w so I get the notification
Xbox (EU) - l Sparrow x | CP 810+DD: All Mag + StamPC (EU) - Sparrxw | CP 810+
Heal: Templar | Sorc | NB | Warden | Necro
Tank: NB | DK | Warden
Completions: All HM's + TTT + IR + GHDD: All Mag + Stam
Heal: Templar | Sorc
Tank: DK | NB
Completions: All HM's + TTT + IR + GH + GS0 -
Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Since it´s a fact I´ll assume you´ve a source on that??
Yes, check out every 70k+ raid parse on youtube. Some examples:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uH3lXHI0vGQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UZ5KINQiMM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk7lPsPsNIo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvrgynNbVgw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaDwyOpLLa8
Nice cherrypick
Those numbers are achieved due to extremely good group-composition and high uptime on both buffs and debuffs, not because of mechanical acuity. I´ve seen the same numbers before acuity became a thing.2 -
JohnStorm✭✭✭Nice cherrypick
Those numbers are achieved due to extremely good group-composition and high uptime on both buffs and debuffs, not because of mechanical acuity. I´ve seen the same numbers before acuity became a thing.
Cherrypick? If you wanted, you could find 100 more like these even from less organized groups. Show me these numbers with a set other than acuity if you think so.0 -
Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭It's not BiS if you're a Khajiit stam DD that already has ~75% crit chance. Especially applicable to Stamblades. In that case, you only get like 5-6% crit benefit from the 5-piece bonus.
You're better off playing with any of:
- War Machine on DW bar and Hundings on body
- Briarheart on DW bar and War Machine on body
- Briarheart on DW bar and Hundings on body (if you don't have War Machine)
With the nerf to physical penetration (NMG and Sunder) it's quite likely that War Machine on DW bar and TFS on body will perform as well if not better on trials. Will need testing.
Or, you can just run acuity axe and sword, WM on the body, and there you go, you will benefit way more DPS wise. The axe bleed is really good for single target and the sword will buff your overall damage, while you get to keep high crit chance.
Not so sure MA with axe & sword will perform better than Briar with axe and dagger (in the Khajiit Stamblade scenario). Never mind, much better. Have you tested it?EU | PC | AD0 -
Lucky28✭✭✭✭✭
✭I was very surprised when I read the patch notes because acuity wasn't mentioned at all, currently it's the best magicka dps set in the game, it's better than anything else and totally killed diversity. Also magicka nightblade execute is still a lot cheaper than magicka sorcerer execute for example, its cost should be raised to around 2.5k magicka. @ZOS_GinaBruno
that's probably because Mages wrath is one the most op skills in the entire game. like are you serious?.Invictus0 -
DeliCreep✭✭✭I was very surprised when I read the patch notes because acuity wasn't mentioned at all, currently it's the best magicka dps set in the game, it's better than anything else and totally killed diversity. Also magicka nightblade execute is still a lot cheaper than magicka sorcerer execute for example, its cost should be raised to around 2.5k magicka. @ZOS_GinaBruno
that's probably because Mages wrath is one the most op skills in the entire game. like are you serious?.
Please elaborate.
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Merlin13KAGL✭✭✭✭✭
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There was a change in the meta. Acuity was introduced.Avran_Sylt wrote: »Don't forget sorc has a passive execute, that has twice the chance to proc with the sorcs execute (initial damage + execute).
Yes, but the proc chance is very low and it is unrealiable (its dps is also pretty low most of the time).Before Acuity, there was one crafted set that would get magicka DDs top tier performance (Juli). Now there are two. It's unclear to me how that killed diversity. Even if you disagree that Juli is still great for magicka DDs, that leaves us in exactly the same place we were before: only one crafted set is top-tier for magicka DDs (just now a different one than before). Even if that's true, it seems fine, since Juli had been meta since Orsinium, and changes in the meta are a healthy thing for an MMO.
Yes, changes in the meta are healthy, that's why I am asking for it.
Suddenly it wasn't all Jules/Hundings/War Machine for the win.
If by two, you mean one, then yes. I know you're not considering the 4 second 20% drop to be considered passive - you still have to fire the original skill.I was very surprised when I read the patch notes because acuity wasn't mentioned at all, currently it's the best magicka dps set in the game, it's better than anything else and totally killed diversity. Also magicka nightblade execute is still a lot cheaper than magicka sorcerer execute for example, its cost should be raised to around 2.5k magicka. @ZOS_GinaBruno
Sorcs have two passive executes that cost literally nothing. Mages fury is also an aoe.
Don't compare Apples to oranges
And no most aren't using both the physical and shock damage portion of implosion, so that's still basically one. Even if they are, the damage from the non-primary source is going to be so small it can practically be disregarded.
Feel free to show your own parse or the parse of a typical player achieving these numbers.Nice cherrypick
Those numbers are achieved due to extremely good group-composition and high uptime on both buffs and debuffs, not because of mechanical acuity. I´ve seen the same numbers before acuity became a thing.
Cherrypick? If you wanted, you could find 100 more like these even from less organized groups. Show me these numbers with a set other than acuity if you think so.
The examples you have given are the exception, not the standard.
Just because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
IRL'ing for a while for assorted reasons, in forum, and in game.I am neither warm, nor fuzzy...
Probably has checkbox on Customer Service profile that say High Aggro, 99% immunity to BS0 -
JohnStorm✭✭✭Merlin13KAGL wrote: »Feel free to show your own parse or the parse of a typical player achieving these numbers.
The examples you have given are the exception, not the standard.
Here is a parse I have done:
https://imgur.com/cPvnbfd
I don't have perfect weaves or the highest possible uptimes of group buffs on me, yet I hit 50k boss dps with a non--pet magsorc. I'm also running a regen glyph, a health glyph, and I did a couple of heavy attacks in the fight. Another note, I was running an imperfect asylum staff. I'm sure better magsorc players than me can hit 60k+ ST on this fight, but it won't be with a set other than Acuity.0 -
technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭LOL Sorc have the best execute in the game in that it doesn't have to hit in the execute window and can be followed up to then just auto execute. NBs execute is awful because by the time you get the target low enough, about anything will kill them anyway. Unless you're talking PvE on huge health targets where you get the bonus damage on more than 1 hit.1 -
Lucky28✭✭✭✭✭
✭I was very surprised when I read the patch notes because acuity wasn't mentioned at all, currently it's the best magicka dps set in the game, it's better than anything else and totally killed diversity. Also magicka nightblade execute is still a lot cheaper than magicka sorcerer execute for example, its cost should be raised to around 2.5k magicka. @ZOS_GinaBruno
that's probably because Mages wrath is one the most op skills in the entire game. like are you serious?.
Please elaborate.
In PvP Mages wraith is op af. meanwhile, the devs are trying to get NB's to actually use their class execute.... it is not getting a cost increase.Edited by Lucky28 on April 24, 2018 5:18PMInvictus0 -
HuawaSepp✭✭✭I did some testing on this and came to the conclusion that MA is just as good as BSW:
It's hard enough to not fail at doing your rotation so please look at the critical hits and make them even.
First picture is Mechanical Acuity only on frontbar.
Second is Burning Spell Weave only on frontbar.
Keep in mind if you run a 5 piece everytime setup BSW will be better, MA will be worse.
So please tell me why MA is overperforming. I would say it is a little bit better.
Every Magblade will switch to BSW if the MA nerf really happens.
Well, then nerf BSW or what?PTS-EU0 -
brandonv516✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Sorc has the best execute(s) in the game. Leave nightblades alone and please [edited for profanity]. Thank you.Edited by ZOS_JesC on April 25, 2018 1:35PM2 -
ccfeeling✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I did some testing on this and came to the conclusion that MA is just as good as BSW:
It's hard enough to not fail at doing your rotation so please look at the critical hits and make them even.
First picture is Mechanical Acuity only on frontbar.
Second is Burning Spell Weave only on frontbar.
Keep in mind if you run a 5 piece everytime setup BSW will be better, MA will be worse.
So please tell me why MA is overperforming. I would say it is a little bit better.
Every Magblade will switch to BSW if the MA nerf really happens.
Well, then nerf BSW or what?
What I see...and I feel yes lol0 -
Feanor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Fury/Wrath is the best execute in BGs. In regular Cyrodiil it isn’t. That place goes to Reverse Slice/Executioner, even more so with Asylum 2H. The problem with Fury/Wrath is entirely psychological. It’s all about pressure.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.0 -
Lucky28✭✭✭✭✭
✭Fury/Wrath is the best execute in BGs. In regular Cyrodiil it isn’t. That place goes to Reverse Slice/Executioner, even more so with Asylum 2H. The problem with Fury/Wrath is entirely psychological. It’s all about pressure.
nah wrath still is the best execute even in cyrodiil. because it sticks and because cyrodiil is dominated by zergs. which makes wrath just incredibly convenient.Edited by Lucky28 on April 25, 2018 8:15AMInvictus0 -
Feanor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Fury/Wrath is the best execute in BGs. In regular Cyrodiil it isn’t. That place goes to Reverse Slice/Executioner, even more so with Asylum 2H. The problem with Fury/Wrath is entirely psychological. It’s all about pressure.
nah wrath still is the best execute even in cyrodiil. because it sticks and because cyrodiil is dominated by zergs. which makes wrath just incredibly convenient.
Spamming an execute from a zerg doesn’t say anything about the execute. It’s inconsequential if you spam Fury or Impale or RD. You’ll always get kills.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.2 -
themaddaedra✭✭✭✭✭
✭Acuity is not broken OP or something, stop QQing everytime you see someone else pulling better than you. PLUSit's a crafted set which can be used for both magicka and stamina builds, and it only gives slightly better results for people who really know how to use it and in proper organized raids. Why on earth would someone ask for a nerf to that?
It's magnb that needs fixing. Warn me if i'm wrong but i'm not noticing any magsorcs, magdks, magplars or -obviously, lol- magdens pulling these ridiculous numbers in PTS atm.
So if i had a word or two to ZoS, i'd say beware and don't break up magicka builds while trying to fix NBs' broken op parses.PC|EU0 -
Murador178✭✭✭✭MA gives burst builds a proc window. If they nerf MA they might as well nerf all ambush builds but then where is the fun in that? If you're upset you're getting owned but don't want to counter play then I'm at a loss
I'm not upset about getting owned, I dont care about pvp. The 2.5k cost is still fine as a base cost, with passives it would be around 2.1-2.2k. Mage's Wrath has an aoe component which deals very low damage and has short range, and again, the passive execute only works under 15% hp, has insanely low proc chance and is unreliable, and we have only a few sources that can proc it. Magblade execute costs less, deals more damage and is better at actually executing something
Yeah but many people care about PvP - so flat nerving imaple sounds like a suprising stupid idea since it doesnt see too much play anyways. So i dont care about PvE - I dont like that double proc fast dmg on curse we should make it 6 sec/6sec again so i can time my burst . 0 -
Lucky28✭✭✭✭✭
✭Fury/Wrath is the best execute in BGs. In regular Cyrodiil it isn’t. That place goes to Reverse Slice/Executioner, even more so with Asylum 2H. The problem with Fury/Wrath is entirely psychological. It’s all about pressure.
nah wrath still is the best execute even in cyrodiil. because it sticks and because cyrodiil is dominated by zergs. which makes wrath just incredibly convenient.
Spamming an execute from a zerg doesn’t say anything about the execute. It’s inconsequential if you spam Fury or Impale or RD. You’ll always get kills.
Wrath is on another level entirely. and the bigger thing is that it stick which is what makes it the best execute in the game, with executioner, impale etc i can heal up before they actually start to scale with little problems. wrath is closer to being an auto-execute just keep wrath on the opponent and they will eventually fall into execute range then boom, wrath leaves people with less time to recover which is what makes it the best.themaddaedra wrote: »It's magnb that needs fixing. Warn me if i'm wrong but i'm not noticing any magsorcs, magdks, magplars or -obviously, lol- magdens pulling these ridiculous numbers in PTS atm.
They should just leave magblades as they are on live. they don't really need buffs or nerfs. and especially don't nerf *** because of PvE.Edited by Lucky28 on April 25, 2018 4:19PMInvictus1 -
HuawaSepp✭✭✭themaddaedra wrote: »It's magnb that needs fixing. Warn me if i'm wrong but i'm not noticing any magsorcs, magdks, magplars or -obviously, lol- magdens pulling these ridiculous numbers in PTS atm.
No, Magblade is totally ok how it is right now from a PVE view. Magblade should be the single target dps king in my opinion.
I tested out the mag aoe dps king and his single target dps aren't that bad either:
Sry for the max magicka cheesing buffood, didn't think about it.
I am not a really good Sorc player. I just took the setup from live and layed the dots on cooldown without any special thoughts on rotation optimization. So there are more dps possible, but when aren't more dps possible right?
MagDK is close to 60k too on pts.
Magplar also got a big dmg increase, I just don't know a parse of my guildmates.PTS-EU0
