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Would you pay $25 a month for ESO if ALL micro-transactions were removed?
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Sting864✭✭✭✭grim gaming wrote: »I am a free to play member and ESO plus is nice but its not worth at the end cause I can buy dlc when I want and when I don't want it case and point summer set came before dragon borne cause cause I am more in to quests and overland then dungeons. Cause dungeon after you done that one the 10 time you got the things you need. Or case of dungeon you hate and refuse to go back turtle form runes
Good point that you can pick and choose whichever DLC you want... But can you see what you will get before you purchase?? Can you purchase that DLC permanently with the complimentary Crowns you receive with your subscription?? If you're honest with yourself, you know there is DLC you will want to purchase... How smart is it to not try before you buy... And buy with complimentary crowns??0 -
Rain_Greyraven✭✭✭✭✭Heck no, no way!It's really a questioned that can't be answered on forums because gamers these days want everything Now and free."Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.”
― Robert E. Howard
So you want to be a game developer? Here is the best way to go about it.1 -
Uviryth✭✭✭✭✭Yes, of course!Since I have no selfcontrol when it comes to Microtransactions (the curse of having too much available income
) I would definitely pay more for getting it all. 1 -
Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Other - How much would you?Nyghthowler wrote: »I refuse to pay even more to support the cheap-ass B2P crowd that expects to receive everything for free simply because they purchased the base game.
I already sub to the game to support it, even though the main priority seems to be developing new items for the gamble boxes.
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Smokewood✭✭✭Yes, of course!GimpyPorcupine wrote: »Can we edit the title of this thread to "Does your perceived moral superiority require you to protect others from making choices you disagree with?" since that's kind of what you're asking?
What?
Don't know how you read that into a simple poll.
Would you be willing to spend $25 a month to get everything included that you currently are required to buy with micro-transactions?
It's a straightforward question, and according to the poll, not many people are willing to do it. Yet these same people complain about the fact that micro-transactions exist.
I would rather pay $25 a month and have the developers concentrate and prioritize FUN over "what can we sell next?"Edited by Smokewood on April 18, 2018 4:27PM1 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Heck no, no way!ProfesseurFreder wrote: »I do not "rent" software. Ever. I won't play WOW because of "subscription" fees (it's called extortion, people) and I would drop ESO in a nanosecond if I was forced to pony up to play software that I already own. I don't mind the Crown Store in the slightest, and I always buy the DLC outright when it comes out. That's fair, and that's how I roll.
It isn't extortion. It is having you pay for the servers based on when you play. Your comment could make sense if we were talking about a game that just runs on your computer.
I can respect people who don't want ongoing fees for games, but just don't pretend this is a moral argument. It is just your preference.2 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Heck no, no way!GimpyPorcupine wrote: »Can we edit the title of this thread to "Does your perceived moral superiority require you to protect others from making choices you disagree with?" since that's kind of what you're asking?
What?
Don't know how you read that into a simple poll.
Would you be willing to spend $25 a month to get everything included that you currently are required to buy with micro-transactions?
It's a straightforward question, and according to the poll, not many people are willing to do it. Yet these same people complain about the fact that micro-transactions exist.
I would rather pay $25 a month and have the developers concentrate and prioritize FUN over "what can we sell next?"
No, the original question was NOT straightforward. It was horribly presented. Making sense of it required putting words into the OP's mouth.0 -
Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Other - How much would you?GimpyPorcupine wrote: »Can we edit the title of this thread to "Does your perceived moral superiority require you to protect others from making choices you disagree with?" since that's kind of what you're asking?
What?
Don't know how you read that into a simple poll.
Would you be willing to spend $25 a month to get everything included that you currently are required to buy with micro-transactions?
It's a straightforward question, and according to the poll, not many people are willing to do it. Yet these same people complain about the fact that micro-transactions exist.
I would rather pay $25 a month and have the developers concentrate and prioritize FUN over "what can we sell next?"
You're not required to buy anything with micro transactions- put the skooma down.0 -
Smokewood✭✭✭Yes, of course!GimpyPorcupine wrote: »Can we edit the title of this thread to "Does your perceived moral superiority require you to protect others from making choices you disagree with?" since that's kind of what you're asking?
What?
Don't know how you read that into a simple poll.
Would you be willing to spend $25 a month to get everything included that you currently are required to buy with micro-transactions?
It's a straightforward question, and according to the poll, not many people are willing to do it. Yet these same people complain about the fact that micro-transactions exist.
I would rather pay $25 a month and have the developers concentrate and prioritize FUN over "what can we sell next?"
You're not required to buy anything with micro transactions- put the skooma down.
You are if you want to own it....1 -
LonePirate✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Does nobody remember that ESO was entirely subscription based with no micro transactions for the first 11+ months of its existence during 2014-2015?1 -
Nemeliom✭✭✭✭Heck no, no way!The microtransactions are perfectly fine, they don't affect gameplay at all and help to keep the game running.Baradur Morker - Level 50 Bosmer Nightblade
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DMuehlhausen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, of course!bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »That means no cosmetics AND I NEED COSMETICS!!! honestly as long as it doesn't effect gameplay they can do what ever
Umm believe he's saying there wouldn't be any crown store and just anything "cosmetic" included they add to the game you would just get.0 -
DMuehlhausen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, of course!Cause the crafting bag is worth that to me lol. When I only get 1-2 hours most nights to play not having to spend it all re doing my bank every other day is almost priceless.2 -
snailbrick✭✭✭Heck no, no way!grim gaming wrote: »I am a free to play member and ESO plus is nice but its not worth at the end cause I can buy dlc when I want and when I don't want it case and point summer set came before dragon borne cause cause I am more in to quests and overland then dungeons. Cause dungeon after you done that one the 10 time you got the things you need. Or case of dungeon you hate and refuse to go back turtle form runes
Good point that you can pick and choose whichever DLC you want... But can you see what you will get before you purchase?? Can you purchase that DLC permanently with the complimentary Crowns you receive with your subscription?? If you're honest with yourself, you know there is DLC you will want to purchase... How smart is it to not try before you buy... And buy with complimentary crowns??
I see what you are saying, but this rational only holds water if you are paying full price $14.99 for 1500 crowns. If you have bought them on a crown sale in a bulk pack for far less then it is still better financially to buy the Dungeon DLCs outright with Crowns rather than subbing for one month, getting 1500 crowns, buying the dungeon dlc and dropping.
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opallithia✭✭✭Yes, of course!Yes, if it meant I could have access to things that I can't currently afford that are locked behind huge crown expenses. 10 extra dollars a month than what I already pay isn't bad, as opposed to the 100+ dollars they ask for houses, and crown-only furnishing items.2 -
vamp_emily✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭snailbrick wrote: »vamp_emily wrote: »This is what I suggest:
- Get rid of the freeloaders
- Everyone pay 15 dollars a month sub ( lower the cost in some countries )
- Give an option to buy crown crates or crown store items with gold or cash
- Lower the prices of items in crown store
I'm curious if I'm considered a freeloader if I've bought the game initially for around $25, then paid for crowns and used them to buy every DLC (Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood, Orsinium, All Dungeon DLCS), I also bought Morrowind, and preordered Summerset. However, I don't subscribe to ESO Plus. First, I don't want to feel obligated to play the game if something comes up. If I pay per month I feel like I must get on every single day or I'm wasting a lot of money.
You are right. None of us are freeloaders. I really need to quit coming to the forums when I am half asleep.
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Smokewood✭✭✭Yes, of course!DaveMoeDee wrote: »
I do not understand how so many people saw the poll wrong?
I did not say get rid of all the items that you buy with micro-transaction.
I said remove the transactions all together,
IE no cash shop and everythng included in the game for 1 monthly fee.
You know, like how MMORPGS used to be.
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jedtb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Other - How much would you?ProfesseurFreder wrote: »I do not "rent" software. Ever. I won't play WOW because of "subscription" fees (it's called extortion, people) and I would drop ESO in a nanosecond if I was forced to pony up to play software that I already own. I don't mind the Crown Store in the slightest, and I always buy the DLC outright when it comes out. That's fair, and that's how I roll.
but you do 'rent' it. you bought a licence to use the software but you don't own it.0 -
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✭Other - How much would you?No, sorry, that ship has already sailed for multiple reasons, one on which is that Firor, even if he wanted, can not make such offer and sound credible, because if he said "$25/month and no microtransactions", it would sound like "$25/month and no microtransactions until we add them back on top of $25/month". Remember, he is the one who was touting "$15/month and no microtransactions" and then "$15/month and all DLCs".
I think anglophone nations have proverb "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me". Firor is not going to get his second chance.2 -
Marginis✭✭✭✭✭Other - How much would you?I played the game when it was subscription based, keeping my sub going continuously until the sub was eliminated. Once I considered the craft bag useful, I started subscribing to ESO plus, intermittently. With the items they are releasing now, I buy stuff from the crown store regularly, and while I am usually an ESO plus subscriber, I buy all the DLCs outright, in case I let my sub lapse. Point is, either way things go, ESO is getting more than its fair share of my paycheck.
A subscription is not the worst thing in my opinion, because it weeds out those who do not care enough about the game and community to pay for a sub, and you tend to get benefits from paying a monthly fee, like not having to pay for everything individually. However, this is not as sustainable a model for ZOS as B2P with microtransactions, as we know. ZOS is incentivized to think of really cool stuff for us (if just cosmetics) to put in the crown store, which may not have been thought of without that incentive. Additionally, I like not being stuck with the sub cost if something comes up. If I decide to stop spending money on ESO, for whatever reason, I can still enjoy the game with all my benefits, and maybe go back to spending money at a later time, whereas if it required a subscription I might just decide to quit the game outright, and wouldn't really want to come back with all that time lost.
I can't say the system is perfect - we all know about crown crates (the game could do without them (VERY well without them)) - but generally, I prefer not being required to pay a recurring membership to play the game.@Marginis on PC, Senpai Fluffy on Xbox, Founder of Magicka. Also known as Kha'jiri, The Night Mother, Ma'iq, Jane Shepard, Damia, Kintyra, Zoor Do Kest, You, and a few others.0 -
Danikat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Heck no, no way!For people who already subscribe this might be a better deal, in spite of the higher cost.
But one of the things I like about buy-to-play games with only cosmetic/convenience items in the store is that it's entirely up to me how much I spend at any given time. If I have money to spare and I want to buy more stuff I can do that, and if money is tight for some reason (or there's simply nothing I want to buy) I can spend nothing for a month without being locked out of the game I've purchased.
But also when I'm paying for game time I always end up feeling like I have to play to avoid wasting it. My real life is pretty unpredictable so unless I plan it and make time to play I could easily end up not getting around to logging in for a month, or only playing for an hour or two that month. At the moment that doesn't matter, but if I had to pay for permission to log in that month then I want to make sure I get my moneys worth...and then I end up feeling like I'm only playing because I "have to" and don't enjoy it as much.
The alternative is for games to offer a 'pay as you go' subscription where you pay for a number of hours and only use them up when you're actually logged in. But for some reason that only seems to happen with a few games, and only in Eastern countries.PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
"Remember in this game we call life that no one said it's fair"2 -
JWKe✭✭✭✭Heck no, no way!Let’s first remember why Zo$ have a crown store. It was due to the abysmal failure of the game at launch that caused it to go b2p within a year. So to make up for the losses they erected the crown store and at the time with prices that are reasonable so as to not cause another outrage. The membership was there simply for those who wanted the perks of being a plus member.
Furthermore, back then I believe the most expensive mounts on the CS were around 2500-3000 crowns and so a 1500/month crown allotment was sufficient enough but in the past few years with mounts inflating to 5k and plus monthly crown allotment remaining the same I can only think either Zo$ got cocky again or simply overlooked it.
This is not a pick your poison type issue as your title suggest. If anything plus members should get their monthly crown allotment bumped from 1500 -> 3000. Also, the CS should remain.0 -
Phiathornsyldol✭✭✭Heck no, no way!No, that's a terrible idea. Not because I can't afford (I always have eso+ and sometimes buy crowns), but because people who play occasionally won't bother and will leave the game.1
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mikemacon✭✭✭✭✭Other - How much would you?I'd happily pay $25/month while retaining microtransactions in the game if it goes to support developing more content and upgrading the servers. I get why ZOS did it, but I can't help but to wonder if removing the sub requirement was actually a good move for the game, tbh.0
