Magicka Warden's unite - fight for the deep fissure stun!

Torbschka · April 2018

LanceFoxMcCloud wrote: »

As someone who has mained a Magden since Morrowind launch on XBNA (Fox McWarden), I am absolutely stunned (no pun intended) with this nerf to the already most underperforming class in the game... I'm seriously trying hard to follow their logic here, but just cannot make any sense out of this nonsense.
Would I have a clearer view of what they were thinking if I was to stick my head in the sand?
I just legitimately want to understand what their reasoning is for this incredible blatent disregard of what's been being fed to them with silver platters on these forums for almost a year now...

I dont understand either....

LanceFoxMcCloud · April 2018

The "reasoning" is one of the most extraordinary examples of dev hypocrisy I've seen yet.

Dev quote;
"In the same vein that snare abilities should either be short and powerful or long and weak, abilities should be low damage and CC, or high damage and no CC."

Buuuut.... Nightblades keeps fear (long CC and high damage) Incap (high damage + CC) and DK keeps Leap (high damage + CC), dizzying swing (high damage + cc) etc....

But they take our stun away completely. Neglecting to realize that the skill as it is already has several downsides that justify it having high damage with cc, and fail to acknowledge that its a pivotal skill for a Warden's offense AND defense.

Again, trying to understand this thought process is nothing short of infuriating.

NyassaV · April 2018

I'm fine with it going away if they get something to compensate... But they haven't so poop

Torbschka · April 2018

LanceFoxMcCloud wrote: »

The "reasoning" is one of the most extraordinary examples of dev hypocrisy I've seen yet.

Dev quote;
"In the same vein that snare abilities should either be short and powerful or long and weak, abilities should be low damage and CC, or high damage and no CC."

Buuuut.... Nightblades keeps fear (long CC and high damage) Incap (high damage + CC) and DK keeps Leap (high damage + CC), dizzying swing (high damage + cc) etc....

But they take our stun away completely. Neglecting to realize that the skill as it is already has several downsides that justify it having high damage with cc, and fail to acknowledge that its a pivotal skill for a Warden's offense AND defense.

Again, trying to understand this thought process is nothing short of infuriating.

Well, I just cant believe that they think about that at all and just say "cuz we do that with everything else, we do it here too..."

MLGProPlayer · April 2018

LanceFoxMcCloud wrote: »

As someone who has mained a Magden since Morrowind launch on XBNA (Fox McWarden), I am absolutely stunned (no pun intended) with this nerf to the already most underperforming class in the game... I'm seriously trying hard to follow their logic here, but just cannot make any sense out of this nonsense.
Would I have a clearer view of what they were thinking if I was to stick my head in the sand?
I just legitimately want to understand what their reasoning is for this incredible blatent disregard of what's been being fed to them with silver platters on these forums for almost a year now...

Did the guy who designed magicka warden sleep with Wrobel's wife or something? I really can't think of any other explanation.

I just can't fathom any development team being this clueless about the underperformance of one of their classes. Warden has zero representation on trials leader boards. Their DPS numbers are like 20% behind the other magicka classes. What does ZOS do for 12 months? Nothing. In fact, they even NERF the class...

Waffennacht · April 2018

Ok let's say ZoS wants Warden to focus on healing and tanking with maybe off damage, then the animal line needs serious re work.

For a tank/heal spec, a pure damage ability with no utility (flies and pigeon) is more than worthless.

If we are supposed to go down this road, can we then synergies the class abilities?

Delayed damage without a reliable consistent stun (can't rely on Permafrost - it's blockable too at least on live - pts please check?) can't get the job done alone in PvP (PvE magden damage is nothing to write home about)

So can we get outta the middle of the road?

MLGProPlayer · April 2018

NyassaV wrote: »

I'm fine with it going away if they get something to compensate... But they haven't so poop

Exactly. They kept saying they can't buff the class in PvE because it would be overtuned in PvP. It's not overtuned in PvP anymore. Where the *** are the PvE buffs??? They have to have data on the class' performance. Almost no wardens in trials leader boards. 15-20% behind the other magicka classes in DPS parses. Everyone can see how far behind the class is. Everyone except the devs, apparently.

Torbschka · April 2018

Well, I even would be happy if they respond at all to us in the next few days, cuz as stated here - the reasoning behind all this is so questionable.

Offtopic: will we get to know who is the class representative ? If not, @Joy_Division , if u are for templar, could u copy and paste that issue into beta forum or whatever...

MLGProPlayer · April 2018

Torbschka wrote: »

Well, I even would be happy if they respond at all to us in the next few days, cuz as stated here - the reasoning behind all this is so questionable.

That means nothing from ZOS. They responded on the last PTS. Said they would work on bringing all the classes in line for Summerset. What do they do? They take magicka warden, the weakest class in the game, and NERF it.

Joy_Division · April 2018

Magicka Wardens: no class CC, no execute, only 4 damage abilities to choose from, said damage abilities are easy to avoid, said damage abilities perform no other function except damage, worst DPS spec in the game, no burst ultimate - Have fun in Cyrodiil

MLGProPlayer · April 2018

Joy_Division wrote: »

Magicka Wardens: no class CC, no execute, only 4 damage abilities to choose from, said damage abilities are easy to avoid, said damage abilities perform no other function except damage, worst DPS spec in the game, no burst ultimate - Have fun in Cyrodiil

Or trials, or vet DLC dungeons.

The class is only good for overland questing.

Vaoh · April 2018

Joy_Division wrote: »

Magicka Wardens: no class CC, no execute, only 4 damage abilities to choose from, said damage abilities are easy to avoid, said damage abilities perform no other function except damage, worst DPS spec in the game, no burst ultimate - Have fun in Cyrodiil

@Joy_Division you conveniently forget it’s the #1 class for RP though

xaraan · April 2018

No, I'd rather have the armor debuff.

MLGProPlayer · April 2018

xaraan wrote: »

No, I'd rather have the armor debuff.

They're both useless in PvE (every group will have 100% uptime of major breach from ele drain). But at least the stun was useful in PvP.

TipsyDrow · April 2018

Dracane wrote: »

The dev comment for this fix will also destroy the last remaining hope we had, for crystal fragments regaining its stun.

If they truly meant this
*Spoiler
In the same vein that snare abilities should either be short and powerful or long and weak, abilities should be low damage and CC, or high damage and no CC.*
Then Dizzying Swing should also have it's stun removed.

xaraan · April 2018

Only (partially) useless in PvE in group runs. Still useful in much of PvE and PvP.

Though I'm sure the pvpers that liked to not even get in a fight, stand on a bottom floor of a tower and knock people down on the top floor will miss it.

Ron_Burgundy_79 · April 2018

xaraan wrote: »

Only (partially) useless in PvE in group runs. Still useful in much of PvE and PvP.

Though I'm sure the pvpers that liked having a class cc will miss it.

Fixed.

Ludof · April 2018

Just play magsorc or respec to stamden.
After pidgen nerf and fissure nerf, magden is dead.

If you like casters just go for sorc, for reliable cc's, high mobility and huge shields.

IZZEFlameLash · April 2018

You guys can take the title of worst pvp magicka class now as far as openworld pvp in solo. => Except for heals. It is your new calling apparently.

MLGProPlayer · April 2018

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

You guys can take the title of worst pvp magicka class now as far as openworld pvp in solo. => Except for heals. It is your new calling apparently.

And add it to our title of worst PvE magicka class that we've held since the class launched.

Skander · April 2018

xaraan wrote: »

Only (partially) useless in PvE in group runs. Still useful in much of PvE and PvP.

Though I'm sure the pvpers that liked to not even get in a fight, stand on a bottom floor of a tower and knock people down on the top floor will miss it.

Good luck killing someone without a stun

Spurius_Lucilius · April 2018

According to the few new notes added to the Natch Potes, Bird now travels faster. Well, that is a nice buff, but it is not enough.

xaraan · April 2018

Ron_Burgundy_79 wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

Only (partially) useless in PvE in group runs. Still useful in much of PvE and PvP.

Though I'm sure the pvpers that liked having a class cc will miss it.

Fixed.

Which is almost as sad. I've played a ton of pvp and most players over rely on CCs in this game. It's also only a minuscule advantage when it actually works and the armor fracture - upping pen and therefore damage would be more beneficial in more situations.

Skander wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

Only (partially) useless in PvE in group runs. Still useful in much of PvE and PvP.

Though I'm sure the pvpers that liked to not even get in a fight, stand on a bottom floor of a tower and knock people down on the top floor will miss it.

Good luck killing someone without a stun

I do it all the time. There are so many snares and stuns in the game that it has become a crutch for most players at this point. I guess that's why people loved the immovable potion nerf and it didn't have much effect for me. I'll take the damage that I know will work consistently than a stun that might work if they aren't CC immune. I've seen so many players cry about stuns that it seems like if they took them out of the game, none of you would ever be able to get a kill.

Iselin · April 2018

As a Sorc main who lost his stun on Crystal frags a couple of patches back you would think I'd be laughing that Wardens lost theirs too... wrong. Sorcs could afford to lose it (especially since the other morph is also magicka and still has it) and just shrug it off because they are in a very good place overall.

But Mag Wardens? They are nowhere near comparable to mag sorcs. This is a totally unnecessary nerf done just because sorcs got the same nerf to crystal frags.

Spurius_Lucilius · April 2018

Iselin wrote: »

As a Sorc main who lost his stun on Crystal frags a couple of patches back you would think I'd be laughing that Wardens lost theirs too... wrong. Sorcs could afford to lose it (especially since the other morph is also magicka and still has it) and just shrug it off because they are in a very good place overall.

But Mag Wardens? They are nowhere near comparable to mag sorcs. This is a totally unnecessary nerf done just because sorcs got the same nerf to crystal frags.

And Sorc still has other stun in their class skill kit.

xaraan · April 2018

Personally, I'd much rather see a lot of other changes to Warden than see the stun return or undodge-able birds return. Acting like those made the class worthwhile in pvp, or that they were the only reason they were worthwhile shows you how bad the class really is over all.

They really need to be reworked in a major way as this is one of the few classes that really don't stand out anywhere - not pvp, not pve, in either stam or mag builds. At least when classes have had struggles they've been able to say "well, at least I can still run a good pvp build (if the pve build was bad), or a good stam build (if the mag build was bad), or vice versa. Doesn't seem like Wardens can do that and the problem isn't just losing a stun or bird advantage.