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Zos you guys really need to start checking people twitch streams..

  • SteveCampsOut
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    @SteveCampsOut the fact is you have to get on a game right to stream even if they was not streaming they would of said it under their breathe but instead they said it on a livestream while playing on that game both platforms should take actions that’s what Im saying.

    That may be what you're saying NOW, but your OP was telling ZOS to monitor Twitch for TOS violations. Period. End of story. Move along!
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    Yeah, all these m'fkers posting indecency acts over the net about twitch streamers being a por- oh wait.. I thought this is a thread about you know.. Nvm, I'll let myself out.
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  • ekmcb
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    Freedom in a free society is supposed to be for all. Therefore, freedom rules out imposing on the freedom of others. You are free to walk down the street, but not to keep others from doing so.

    The imposition on the freedom of others can come in overt, immediate physical form — thugs coming to attack with weapons. Violence may be a kind of expression, but it certainly is not “free speech.”

    Like violence, hate speech can also be a physical imposition on the freedom of others. That is because language has a psychological effect imposed physically — on the neural system, with long-term crippling effects.

    Here is the reason:

    All thought is carried out by neural circuitry — it does not float in air. Language neurally activates thought. Language can thus change brains, both for the better and the worse. Hate speech changes the brains of those hated for the worse, creating toxic stress, fear and distrust — all physical, all in one’s neural circuitry active every day. This internal harm can be even more severe than an attack with a fist. It imposes on the freedom to think and therefore act free of fear, threats, and distrust. It imposes on one’s ability to think and act like a fully free citizen for a long time.

    That’s why hate speech imposes on the freedom of those targeted by the hate. Since being free in a free society requires not imposing on the freedom of others, hate speech does not fall under the category of free speech.

    Hate speech can also change the brains of those with mild prejudice, moving it towards hate and threatening action. When hate is physically in your brain, then you think hate and feel hate, you are moved to act to carry out what you physically, in your neural system, think and feel.

    That is why hate speech in not “mere” speech. And since it imposes on the freedom of others, it is not an instance of freedom.

    The long–term, often crippling physical effects of hate speech on the neural systems of those hated does not have status in law, since our neural systems do not have status in our legal system — at least not yet. This is a gap between the law and the truth.

    -George Lakoff

    Source: https://georgelakoff.com/2017/09/08/why-hate-speech-is-not-free-speech/
  • veloSylraptor
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    Hey, its not about whether or not zos is responsible, freedom, or any of that nonsense. Its just a matter of jurisdiction.

    So,
    1. If it happened in game chat, forum, or any other part of zos' platform, you can report it to zos

    2. If it happened on another platform, like Twitch stream, then you can report it to Twitch

    I'm sure zos would love for their brand and game not to be associated with hate speech, but their power only extends as far as their own platform.

    Twitch has similar rules against hate speech, and they do have the power to enforce the rules on their own platform.


  • Ragnarock41
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    [removed quote]

    remember when ESO PvP was something and people streamed it? Good days.
    Edited by ZOS_JesC on April 15, 2018 1:33PM
  • ekmcb
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    OP @mmolegends44 , I appreciate the genuine concern for others' real well-being and right not to be abused that seems to have prompted your original post.
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    In this case, try reporting it to Twitch as this is more under their jurisdiction.

    75 people (agrees) can't be wrong......
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  • Rohamad_Ali
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    It's very easy for people that have never personally experienced racial violence and racism to down play its effects on other humans . They have never been beat up or called a degrading name in front of a crowd of people or ever felt the embarrassment and shame over something they have absolutely no control over . Racism is very painful for some people . People sometimes try to dress or act different so people don't stereo type them and in some places just try to hide and not be noticed . It effects many differently but there is nothing productive that comes of it for the person judged and ridiculed . Attacking someone's identity can be more painful then just getting into a regular fight and getting beat up because it goes on and on in their head . If doing that to someone makes a person feel good then I do not want to ever be around them . Compassion and uplifting people are what makes a difficult world worth living in . There is enough violence out there that we do not need to relive it here where some go to escape .
  • Beardimus
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    Agreed @Rohamad_Ali and that is why getting it stopped ASAP is key.

    ....by using the correct channel. Sadly this thread is not going to do that. And the majority of responses are trying to explain that NOT downplay anything. And now people using it for a sensational discussion for their own means.

    ZOS have even responded to the OP on the best way to sort this and that's the key point of the thread. Well, was
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  • Beardimus
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    ZOS_Edward wrote: »
    Hey @mmolegends44,

    Our rules are very clear when it comes to Hate Speech like you are describing.
    Hate Speech: We take the use of hate speech very seriously in the official ESO community, and have a zero tolerance policy. Our definition of hate speech is prejudice or hateful comments, slurs, or statements that promote violence or intolerance toward others because of the following:
    • Race
    • Creed
    • Color
    • National Origin
    • Gender
    • Age
    • Disability
    • Sexual Orientation
    • Lifestyle
    • Any other personally identifying factors

    Anything that happens like this in-game we'll be happy to handle via the report options.

    Since this is happening in a Twitch stream and not in-game, you would report it to Twitch and not us as we have no purview over their platform.

    In case the official response was missed
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  • Rohamad_Ali
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    Beardimus wrote: »
    Agreed @Rohamad_Ali and that is why getting it stopped ASAP is key.

    ....by using the correct channel. Sadly this thread is not going to do that. And the majority of responses are trying to explain that NOT downplay anything. And now people using it for a sensational discussion for their own means.

    ZOS have even responded to the OP on the best way to sort this and that's the key point of the thread. Well, was

    Yes it is up to Twitch to handle this and if reported they will . They have a more strict code of conduct now more then ever .
  • Beardimus
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    Beardimus wrote: »
    Agreed @Rohamad_Ali and that is why getting it stopped ASAP is key.

    ....by using the correct channel. Sadly this thread is not going to do that. And the majority of responses are trying to explain that NOT downplay anything. And now people using it for a sensational discussion for their own means.

    ZOS have even responded to the OP on the best way to sort this and that's the key point of the thread. Well, was

    Yes it is up to Twitch to handle this and if reported they will . They have a more strict code of conduct now more then ever .

    Exactly!

    It's a shame people made this thread into something it wasn't which is getting it reported and stopped.
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  • Jake1576
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    just imagine actually having to play on ps4 na it'one of the most toxic games I have ever played and blocking people don't even work so even if you block ppl that are saying racist things in zone chat you still have to see it no matter what you do I have tried to get zos to fix the blocking system on ps4 but they don't care it's probably the same for twitch also
    Edited by Jake1576 on April 15, 2018 7:27AM
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    Jake1576 wrote: »
    just imagine actually having to play on ps4 na it'one of the most toxic games I have ever played and blocking people don't even work so even if you block ppl that are saying racist things in zone chat you still have to see it no matter what you do I have tried to get zos to fix the blocking system on ps4 but they don't care it's probably the same for twitch also

    ZoS does care Jake on Ps4 and ai know because my friends son got banned . Wasn't even racism but politics and vulgar language . First ban was two weeks . Next one will be perma ban . Record and send in what is happening . That is what they did to him and his dad went off on him and put him on restrictions for a month .
  • thomas1970b16_ESO
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    DoctorESO wrote: »
    Some guy is streaming right now on playstation 4 that whole group is saying nothing but racist words on the livestream like what are you guys doing start sneaking on people streams and hearing what they are saying I am truly disappointed in this code of conduct this game has.

    Does ZOS's TOS allow ZOS to ban those people for doing that?

    Probably. I would reportage to Twitch and ZOS.
  • Jake1576
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    Jake1576 wrote: »
    just imagine actually having to play on ps4 na it'one of the most toxic games I have ever played and blocking people don't even work so even if you block ppl that are saying racist things in zone chat you still have to see it no matter what you do I have tried to get zos to fix the blocking system on ps4 but they don't care it's probably the same for twitch also

    ZoS does care Jake on Ps4 and ai know because my friends son got banned . Wasn't even racism but politics and vulgar language . First ban was two weeks . Next one will be perma ban . Record and send in what is happening . That is what they did to him and his dad went off on him and put him on restrictions for a month .

    perhaps they do care but they have a funny way of showing it nevertheless i still hate seeing racist things in zone chat when i have the person blocked i just wished zos would fix the blocking system it would make things a lot better if they would ive got to the point that i just turn text chat off all together now
  • DoctorESO
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    It's very easy for people that have never personally experienced racial violence and racism to down play its effects on other humans . They have never been beat up or called a degrading name in front of a crowd of people or ever felt the embarrassment and shame over something they have absolutely no control over . Racism is very painful for some people . People sometimes try to dress or act different so people don't stereo type them and in some places just try to hide and not be noticed . It effects many differently but there is nothing productive that comes of it for the person judged and ridiculed . Attacking someone's identity can be more painful then just getting into a regular fight and getting beat up because it goes on and on in their head . If doing that to someone makes a person feel good then I do not want to ever be around them . Compassion and uplifting people are what makes a difficult world worth living in . There is enough violence out there that we do not need to relive it here where some go to escape .

    Well said!
  • Spottswoode
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    Welcome to the modern gaming world. Where everyone watches somebody else play a game they could be playing and complains about content generated that's not the developer's original content, while also holding Crusades for said content against the developers.
    Edited by Spottswoode on April 15, 2018 9:53AM
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