Zos you guys really need to start checking people twitch streams..

VaranisArano · April 2018

1st Amendment protects my free speech as an American citizen from the American government.

Not so much from my responsibilities to abide by ESO's TOS and the Code of Conduct I agreed to.

Its not that hard.

Obligatory XKCD: https://xkcd.com/1357/

Varidian · April 2018

Well no. Zos have no place in this matter, they have a system that filters out words within the chat box...

people vocally cursing in a live stream is outside of the Zos play ground.

That's down to the streamer. and the stream host be it youtube twitch or steam.

Xundiin · April 2018

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Xundiin wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

ITT: You all need a safe space.

Vanya wrote: »

Twitch Immensely overrated, Mockery. Waste of time and energy. Used Twitch for couple of hours and Account deletition soon followed. Discord&Twitch Modern plague , In particular when you are "forced" to stream or join discord!

Ooooh! Look a new guild member! You must stream and chat on discord! Negative. I do what I love.

Once I was within the random guild, In GAME chat desolate. Why would anyone want to join Discord or Twitch. Dear Ysmir..Pfft

It really isn't that serious. Discord has practical uses, and Twitch is just a form of entertainment. Nothing more.

Downplaying racism. Classic.

Is it? I don't really think its our jobs to all become the thought police so we can violate rude people's 1st amendment rights. Would it be better if people didn't talk this way? Surely. Do you think you're going to convince offensive people otherwise by controlling them this way? Probably not. I would argue that by using this sort of passive-aggressive pushy behavior you are likely to harden a position which was not fully actualized. This notion of safe spaces is dangerous as far as I see it. Many problems get sorted out when people talk, sometimes yell. I held my tongue on this topic for a while here but I see a dangerous trend in everyone wanting to enlist big brother to beat someone over the head with a stick (be it government or large companies) because they disagree with certain speech. North Korea and Communist China are good places for you to live if you like this kind of system. It may be unsightly sometimes but free speech has a value. Louis Farrakhan has the same right to talk as David Duke. They're both highly offensive but even in their offensiveness I think they serve as lightning rods that make most people think 'woah' I don't want to be like that. I'm also going to point out that racism is not the worst thing a person be guilty of. I've dealt with quite a lot of racism in my own day and there is a difference between the racists who simply would rather not associate with you and the sort who are willing to harm you. I doubt many of you have had bricks thrown at you or that you have been shot at simply for being who you are. I have. If you have as well I am sorry to hear that. I'm more worried about bricks, fists, knives, pitchforks and bullets than I am about a few people being derogatory. My point is simply this: If you actually care about changing the world, you could do a lot more by giving these people thought provoking reasons why they are wrong than by exacerbating their anger. I personally believe this modern strategy of silencing people you disagree with is dangerous and has the potential for a lot of creeping from its original purpose. Human nature is what it is and the thought police have existed many times before through the ages. The difference we have now is technology has the potential to make things so much worse. I would just like to point out the danger of what this looks like in the form of China's social credit system. No one is perfect. A system like this will attempt to iron out everyone's flaws with an iron thumb. This will create a dishonest system where people will not improve, they will simply become vicious and silent in their approach. (By the way, if you think China is a wonderful free nation you are woefully wrong. China is responsible for the murder of millions and a vicious hunt of all religious groups not limited to but most specifically the Falun Gong, Christians, and Muslims.). What I'm talking about is actual dangerous speech that China would love to silence.

Sometimes freedom is messy but I would hope people might understand why it has value. You know the individuals who have their offensive channel (whatever it is). There are two options before you in a free society: Engage them in conversation, or freely associate somewhere else. This is my recommendation.

You'd have merit if this was a venue that was public. Say out in the real world. A street corner perhaps, or even a park. The fact that they are saying this through a privately owned property gives who ever owns that property the right to stifle it if they choose so. So yes you can argue free speech all you want. Free speech doesn't exist in areas that are privately owned, like servers, data centers, ect. You could even argue that a restaurant owner could tell you to leave over the things you are saying since it's also considered private property. And if they decided to tell you to leave the property under such circumstances it's well within their rights to do so by law.

My response is philosophical more than legal. As a culture people are becoming more and more comfortable with shutting one another down, closing off their livelihood, and squashing any dissenting thought that they run the risk of corrupting this society. You are presenting a view of the law. I understand the point and in many ways I agree with it. I think it becomes a gray area when you tout yourself as a public open platform for speech and then you squash every little thing that becomes mildly offensive. Are you aware that fishing videos have been demonetized because animal rights groups think fishermen are committing heinous acts by cleaning a fish that will be eaten? I would like to point out that nothing else was the reason for them being shut down other than 'meat is murder'. There are other points of view such as, 'We have incisors for a reason'. In my view if cleaning a fish is such a heinous act then at least 95% of Americans, Europeans, Aussies, and everyone else who practically plays on this game is offensive and should be silenced. These things can go too far. When hyper-offensive truly disgusting material can float around freely on the internet even on these public platforms and something which is mildly offensive like a fish cleaning gets shut down we have a problem. In short, Yes, I believe this is going to come to a head legally and when it does it has the danger of fundamentally changing our society in bad ways. This is why I am pressing the issue and imploring people to think differently. I personally find it harmful and dangerous to ourselves to try and abridge speech in this way.

As much as I wish this was different (being a constitutionalist myself) It isn't. it still falls under the law. They have the right to block what ever content they feel fit to. if you feel it right or wrong doesn't matter. Law is law and there is no way you are going to stop this "public" forum from doing this sort of thing. The only power you have against them, is to stop using it. Get other people who agree with you to stop using it. I no longer use Twitch or Facebook because I don't agree with their policing standards. Examples you gave are prime examples of why. But that is the only power you or I have against these companies.

dodgehopper_ESO · April 2018

veloSylraptor wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

The notion of "free speech" in a venue provided by a private company like ZOS or Twitch in constrained by their TOS and Code of Conduct. So if someone is saying things in violation of the TOS or Code of Conduct, they are not guaranteed the right to say that in that venue and can (should) receive consequences for violating the rules they agreed to.

I'm not so sure this sort of view is a good one for the world. I understand the point but it undermines the first amendment on what is decidedly a public forum. I'm also not sure that despite the TOS it is good for society to have everyone hide in their little bubbles.

veloSylraptor wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

DoctorESO wrote: »

SnubbS wrote: »

ITT: You all need a safe space.

Vanya wrote: »

Twitch Immensely overrated, Mockery. Waste of time and energy. Used Twitch for couple of hours and Account deletition soon followed. Discord&Twitch Modern plague , In particular when you are "forced" to stream or join discord!

Ooooh! Look a new guild member! You must stream and chat on discord! Negative. I do what I love.

Once I was within the random guild, In GAME chat desolate. Why would anyone want to join Discord or Twitch. Dear Ysmir..Pfft

It really isn't that serious. Discord has practical uses, and Twitch is just a form of entertainment. Nothing more.

Downplaying racism. Classic.

Is it? I don't really think its our jobs to all become the thought police so we can violate rude people's 1st amendment rights. Would it be better if people didn't talk this way? Surely. Do you think you're going to convince offensive people otherwise by controlling them this way? Probably not. I would argue that by using this sort of passive-aggressive pushy behavior you are likely to harden a position which was not fully actualized. This notion of safe spaces is dangerous as far as I see it. Many problems get sorted out when people talk, sometimes yell. I held my tongue on this topic for a while here but I see a dangerous trend in everyone wanting to enlist big brother to beat someone over the head with a stick (be it government or large companies) because they disagree with certain speech. North Korea and Communist China are good places for you to live if you like this kind of system. It may be unsightly sometimes but free speech has a value. Louis Farrakhan has the same right to talk as David Duke. They're both highly offensive but even in their offensiveness I think they serve as lightning rods that make most people think 'woah' I don't want to be like that. I'm also going to point out that racism is not the worst thing a person be guilty of. I've dealt with quite a lot of racism in my own day and there is a difference between the racists who simply would rather not associate with you and the sort who are willing to harm you. I doubt many of you have had bricks thrown at you or that you have been shot at simply for being who you are. I have. If you have as well I am sorry to hear that. I'm more worried about bricks, fists, knives, pitchforks and bullets than I am about a few people being derogatory. My point is simply this: If you actually care about changing the world, you could do a lot more by giving these people thought provoking reasons why they are wrong than by exacerbating their anger. I personally believe this modern strategy of silencing people you disagree with is dangerous and has the potential for a lot of creeping from its original purpose. Human nature is what it is and the thought police have existed many times before through the ages. The difference we have now is technology has the potential to make things so much worse. I would just like to point out the danger of what this looks like in the form of China's social credit system. No one is perfect. A system like this will attempt to iron out everyone's flaws with an iron thumb. This will create a dishonest system where people will not improve, they will simply become vicious and silent in their approach. (By the way, if you think China is a wonderful free nation you are woefully wrong. China is responsible for the murder of millions and a vicious hunt of all religious groups not limited to but most specifically the Falun Gong, Christians, and Muslims.). What I'm talking about is actual dangerous speech that China would love to silence.

Sometimes freedom is messy but I would hope people might understand why it has value. You know the individuals who have their offensive channel (whatever it is). There are two options before you in a free society: Engage them in conversation, or freely associate somewhere else. This is my recommendation.

No one's policing anyone's thoughts, only their actions in violation of the terms of service. There is no first amendment right in a privately owned venue, there is only the terms of service.

When Privately owned venues tout themselves as public platforms though I would suggest things get a bit dodgy. There are some strange instances right now on major platforms such as YouTube, Facebook, etc where highly highly offensive speech seems to squeak right through because either the company was paid off as part of its major advertisement or simply doesn't mind having disgusting images that will show up for little children who want to see Disney cartoons. (I'm aware of this as I have a baby sister from my father's second marriage). This is a real problem and there is some very disgusting content that SHOULD be removed from YouTube. Meanwhile there is simultaneously political speech being squashed right now (left and right) as well as comedic speech and other forms of speech simply because some vitriolic group can't stand that someone would think a certain way differently from them. We're not even talking about racism here but policy differences in opinion on how to make a country/world a better place. As a person who loves history I'm personally aware of multitudes of interesting youtubers who are also historians who have been shut down or demonetized for simply talking about historical facts or showing what life was like (I'm aware of one guy who has been demonetized and all he does is historical cooking of all things, and I can't understand how he would be considered offensive). The point I'm making is that I do not think what you're requesting is a very good idea, and I am trying to suggest to you that these kinds of actions do not result in what you want. Ultimately, you won't get what you're asking for, and if this sort of thing continues I believe we're going to all be living in a 1984, Fahrenheit 451, Animal Farm, Brave New World type of scenario. Freedom is a delicate thing. This is a video game so I don't want to get caught in the weeds on these topics. I agree with the sentiment that I don't want to hear the kinds of conversations being complained about. I personally engage these types of conversations at times, but I also reserve the right to avoid them as well when I'm just trying to enjoy my game. In the case of a Twitch stream I think that its really easy to down-vote them or whatever it is you do on a Twitch stream and go look at something else.

It really doesn't matter, privately owned venues are privately owned venues. The owners of those venues can enforce whatever limitation on speech they so choose. Facebook can enforce their rules however they want. However, we are given procedures by ZOS to report violations of those rules, and in this thread, we are pointing out that Twitch has jurisdiction to enforce their own rules on their platform. Thus: report it to Twitch. I don't see anything wrong with helping out ZOS and Twitch by reporting on people violating their rules.

The discussions you are concerned about are not the subject of discussion here. As per ZOS' Community Rules, this is not the place for such discussion.

This sounds well and good until you realize that the CCP owns 10% of a lot of the companies it does business with and therefore by proxy this means they command control upon that company. This is changing the way everyone lives and it is the elephant in the room that many are not aware of and very few people talk about for fear of offending them. Lawyers and whiners are ruining society. I am not downplaying racism in any way shape or form. There are plenty of other -isms out there that are vile as well. The whole of human history is filled with vile behavior, including many cultures we hold up with high regard in our histories. There are many positives one can note about Rome but lets not be confused in thinking they were either nice or that there was anything Pax about their Romana. The interesting question is whether the warring tribes that came before them were much better.

I'm concerned we are talking past one another here. Your concerns are valid but my suggestion is that the tactics aren't the best means to deal with your concerns. The no tolerance policy people have shuts down conversation and exacerbates problems. I do not think the likes of Martin Luther King Jr. or Billy Graham would have been successful if he had not been for dialoguing with others, many of whom were hostile to their cause. What you fail to understand is that I'm suggesting your tactic puts everyone in echo-chamber ghettoes and turns us back to the tribal monsters we were in dark days before civilization. In a world of high technology (biological, nuclear, chemical) I do not think this is a wise strategy. We need to try to be better. In this regard I agree with your desired outcome but I disagree with the tactics.

SteveCampsOut · April 2018

Vanya wrote: »

Twitch Immensely overrated, Mockery. Waste of time and energy. Used Twitch for couple of hours and Account deletition soon followed. Discord&Twitch Modern plague , In particular when you are "forced" to stream or join discord!

Ooooh! Look a new guild member! You must stream and chat on discord! Negative. I do what I love.

Once I was within the random guild, In GAME chat desolate. Why would anyone want to join Discord or Twitch. Dear Ysmir..Pfft

Discord isn't a requirement in my guild but it is preferable over typed chat when grouping simply because it makes raids, trials and PVP run smoother when you don't have to stop combat to type out a message and die in the process!

Jayman1000 · April 2018

mmolegends44 wrote: »

@VaranisArano would they be able to stream on twitch without them playing eso? no they saying it in game on the microphone it’s common sense really

stahp. They are saying it in a microphone on Twitch while playing Eso. They are not saying it ingame, but even if they were typing it in chat ingame you can't expect ZOS to begin policing Twitch, this is too stupid. If someone sees someone typing something offensive ingame, they can report them in game. If you hear/see someone saying something stupid on Twitch you can report them to Twitch. This is not rocket science.

nimander99 · April 2018

I hate to say it, because its reprehensible... But people should be able to say w/e they want. As long as they aren't threatening harm or calling for violence in a very literal manner... Free Speech means you get to be a racist.

Another but, twitch/youtube is/are a private entities and thus can enforce any codes of conduct they want, just like ZOS can and does in game and here in these forums.

You, OP, also have the freedom to not watch Twitch bigots.

I'm fairly certain we all understand anon allows people to act like they would never act irl. This is nothing new, since the days of usenet people have been using anon web for anything and everything from kittens to racist propaganda.

It honestly makes me more sad for people that ignorant than any personal offence I may feel at words spoken.

MyKillv2.0 · April 2018

While I do agree that this is more of a Twitch Issue, I do have to chuckle at the overwhelming majority of players saying, “ just chill, it’s just a game.”

Considering Monday, most of the same people will flip out over a nerf to a skill in the patch notes

ESO is so serious

Beardimus · April 2018

neverwalk wrote: »

i watch only pc version of ESO on twitch, as i play ESO on pc. I knew ps4 and xbox 1 were going to screw-up ESO in the long run. ESO was to be PC only and then came along the Nex-gen consoles saying we can run your game on our new consoles and then ESO lost attention to to building a beautifil awesome PC only game.

Hilarious!!!

How's the hacking going? CE? Battle of the add ON's? Miats? Performance differences. Honestly...

This is someone streaming the game using a third party service its got nothing to do with ZOS or platform.

Beardimus · April 2018

mmolegends44 wrote: »

@Waffennacht that makes no sense what so ever.

It makes perfect sense.

Regardless of how sensitive you are about it not about this or not or the language used (if it happened at all) giving you the benefit od the doubt on ALL that its a Twitch problem.

ZOS have even told you that!!! I'm sure if you witnessed on Twitch someone's text chat in game, then you might have a point to report that bit to ZOS they can check their logs and act.

What can ZOS do??? Contact Twitch is about all, same as you can. Voice chat in Twitch using their service is not enforceable or tracked by ZOS.

Hell you would have better luck even trying Sony or Microsoft.

Honestly this feels you want drama / forum time rather than stopping it else you would open a case with Twitch, one with ZOS if applicable and one with the platform they use and be done with it.

DRAMMMMMMMA

SteveCampsOut · April 2018

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

The notion of "free speech" in a venue provided by a private company like ZOS or Twitch in constrained by their TOS and Code of Conduct. So if someone is saying things in violation of the TOS or Code of Conduct, they are not guaranteed the right to say that in that venue and can (should) receive consequences for violating the rules they agreed to.

I'm not so sure this sort of view is a good one for the world. I understand the point but it undermines the first amendment on what is decidedly a public forum. I'm also not sure that despite the TOS it is good for society to have everyone hide in their little bubbles.

You need to educate yourself on what the 1st Amendment actually says! It protects Citizen's rights to free speech "FROM GOVERNMENT CONTROL". It doesn't protect you from the consequences of your speech when it comes to how public or private groups react to you!

KochDerDamonen · April 2018

This is Twitch's problem, ZOS has nothing to do with what players do on other services

VaranisArano · April 2018

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But you know who can deal with those random streamers using racist language on Twitch? Twitch. Who's Code of Conduct specifically bans racist and denigrating language.

So if those streamers get reported to Twitch for breaking the Code of Conduct by saying racist words on their livestream, Twitch is completely within their rights to enact the consequences for breaking the Code of Conduct in such a manner.

Same thing with ZOS. If people are breaking ESO's TOS and Code of Conduct with racist language in game, ZOS can totally deal with them for breaking the TOS and Code of Conduct.

Its not that hard. When you use a service, you agree to the TOS and often a Code of Conduct that in the case of Twitch and ESO, limit some of the things you can say. Break the TOS and get caught/reported, you can suffer the consequences. That's why ZOS_Edward told the OP to report them to Twitch for breaking the Code of Conduct. I really don't understand all the "Freeze Peach"/political correctness stuff coming out when its pretty clear the streamers were breaking Twitch's Code of Conduct by using racist language on a livestream. They broke the rules they agreed to and they aren't entitled to protection from the consequences.

pod88kk · April 2018

I don't condone that behavior but it's Twitch's problem

zaria · April 2018

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Then report them to Twitch, they has the power to stop them fast and hard. ZOS has to spend lawyer hours to do it who will take priority over an reply button in mail or search in banks.

If it contains actual hate speech [snip] its an way more serious issue and you can go directly to the police.

Again its not ZoS issue at least until it blow up because some stupid streamer.

KingYogi415 · April 2018

Im pretty sure twitch streamers can mark content as mature then do whatever they want.

TequilaFire · April 2018

Wow, people just don't get it, the game session and the behavior is being played on a ZOS server/client being rebroadcasted on Twitch. This is not some streamer sitting behind a PC at his desk doing a Twitch stream.

How to Stream Video From Playstation 4
Start the game you wish to stream.
Press the 'Share' Button.
Select "Broadcast Gameplay"
Select the service you wish to stream to. (Twitch.tv or UStream)
Link your Twitch / UStream profile to your PS4. ...
Title your broadcast / set streaming options.
Select "Start Broadcasting"

Smasherx74 · April 2018

ZOS_Edward wrote: »

Hey @mmolegends44,

Our rules are very clear when it comes to Hate Speech like you are describing.

Hate Speech: We take the use of hate speech very seriously in the official ESO community, and have a zero tolerance policy. Our definition of hate speech is prejudice or hateful comments, slurs, or statements that promote violence or intolerance toward others because of the following:
Race

Creed

Color

National Origin

Gender

Age

Disability

Sexual Orientation

Lifestyle

Any other personally identifying factors

Anything that happens like this in-game we'll be happy to handle via the report options.

Since this is happening in a Twitch stream and not in-game, you would report it to Twitch and not us as we have no purview over their platform.

Khajitts have no morals, they color of their fur is disgusting, everyone from elswhere stinks, especially the male khajitts trying to spread their sent, and even more so the older khajitts that smell like a wet dog. Nothing I hate more than a Khajit missing it's tail, or one sleeping with a nord. I hate how they sit around asking strangers if they have coin for their wares, and sit around drinking skooma all day.

Good for nothing cats.

Waffennacht · April 2018

TequilaFire wrote: »

Wow, people just don't get it, the game session and the behavior is being played on a ZOS server/client being rebroadcasted on Twitch. This is not some streamer sitting behind a PC at his desk doing a Twitch stream.

Then you use the in-game function...

But I'm gonna say OP wasn't playing the game and therefore couldn't report anything. I'm gonna take a stab at saying that OP was watching Twitch and that's how OP knew of this behavior.

Again, either you're in game and witness something and you report it or you stfu really. That's your two options. If I, for example, watch a YouTube video of someone breaking ZoS ToS well I'm SoL because I wasn't in game and able to report, so my option is to either contact YouTube or stfu.

Edit: I suppose you could track down said violator in hopes of "catching" them in game breaking ToS - actually I bet this happens a lot

VaranisArano · April 2018

TequilaFire wrote: »

Wow, people just don't get it, the game session and the behavior is being played on a ZOS server/client being rebroadcasted on Twitch. This is not some streamer sitting behind a PC at his desk doing a Twitch stream.

Honest question here. Did I miss where the OP said that? Because its been pretty unclear to me whether the racist language was in game and broadcasted on the live stream (ZOS and Twitch's problem) or just on the live stream while playing but not actually in game (Twitch's problem).

TequilaFire · April 2018

mmolegends44 wrote: »

Some guy is streaming right now on playstation 4 that whole group is saying nothing but racist words on the livestream like what are you guys doing start sneaking on people streams and hearing what they are saying I am truly disappointed in this code of conduct this game has.

In the OP.

VaranisArano · April 2018

TequilaFire wrote: »

mmolegends44 wrote: »

Some guy is streaming right now on playstation 4 that whole group is saying nothing but racist words on the livestream like what are you guys doing start sneaking on people streams and hearing what they are saying I am truly disappointed in this code of conduct this game has.

In the OP.

Forgive me for my ignorance, but I'm on PC, not PS4. So again, not clear to me that the racist comments were happening in-game as well as on the live stream (and obviously not clear to ZOS_Edward either.)

TequilaFire · April 2018

"Livestream" is what we call our rebroadcast from the Playstation.
Regardless if TOS infractions happen in the game they are ZOS responsibility.
A security camera monitored by a central station located in New York catches a crime committed in Texas would not authorities in Texas be responsible to pursue the crime when reported to by the New York central station?

Banana · April 2018

Theyve got their hands full policing this forum

Jayman1000 · April 2018

I isagree

VaranisArano · April 2018

TequilaFire wrote: »

"Livestream" is what we call our rebroadcast from the Playstation.
Regardless if TOS infractions happen in the game they are ZOS responsibility.
A security camera monitored by a central station located in New York catches a crime committed in Texas would not authorities in Texas be responsible to pursue the crime when reported to by the New York central station?

Thanks for explaining the live stream.

Wait, so ZOS is responsible for TOS infractions that don't happen in game?

Is that what you meant when you said "Regardless if TOS infractions happen in the game they are ZOS responsibility." ?

Its a Twitch issue because it happened on Twitch. If it ALSO happened in game, then its a ZOS issue also.

TequilaFire · April 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

"Livestream" is what we call our rebroadcast from the Playstation.
Regardless if TOS infractions happen in the game they are ZOS responsibility.
A security camera monitored by a central station located in New York catches a crime committed in Texas would not authorities in Texas be responsible to pursue the crime when reported to by the New York central station?

Thanks for explaining the live stream.

Wait, so ZOS is responsible for TOS infractions that don't happen in game?

Is that what you meant when you said "Regardless if TOS infractions happen in the game they are ZOS responsibility." ?

Its a Twitch issue because it happened on Twitch. If it ALSO happened in game, then its a ZOS issue also.

No ZOS is not responsible for what is said or done by a non employee broadcasting on Twitch from his private PC with the origination point not being in game.

They key is where the infraction originates.

temjiu · April 2018

@dodgehopper_ESO

Excellent words my friend, and in a global sense, I hope that they get people thinking, as I agree 100%. that being said, no matter what the situation, Most large organizations have to set policy and abide by those policies in regards to situations like this. I Condone Zenimax's approach to the issue, but from a personal level, I support your endeavors. People really need understand what freedom is, and respect what it provides. Being a Vet of a few wars, I fought for people to have and express those rights, even when they often make my blood boil. I don't want that stuff in my game for sure. but I understand why Organizations have to set standards and define those standards through their actions. Keep up the good work brother. Conversations like the one your having is what changes people, not policy.

to the OP: personal moral turpitudes, no matter how justified, unfortunately do NOT supersede law as it pertains to digital rights and Intellectual Properties. Those are both very sticky and complex situations that don't always have an easy or straight answer. Zenimax is abiding by their policies as they pertain to legal requirements, so they're in the right. And you expressing your discontent on the event is in itself a powerful and good thing. But Don't expect Zen to drop their policies and risk legal action when there is another company with far more control over that content that can take care of the issue.

SteveCampsOut · April 2018

The problem with the OP's main beef is he's claiming ZOS should police a platform that they do not run. Even though the racism occurred in the PS4 voice channels, this person didn't witness the behavior in game they witnessed it in Twitch and think it is somehow ZOS's job to police Twitch. If it was witnessed and reported in game, the OP has no way of knowing since they weren't witnessing it in game.

mmolegends44 · April 2018

@SteveCampsOut the fact is you have to get on a game right to stream even if they was not streaming they would of said it under their breathe but instead they said it on a livestream while playing on that game both platforms should take actions that’s what Im saying.