Vivec PC/NA the population exploits are still occurring & IC is still useless
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✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano if people are purposely engaging in behavior designed to disrupt another player's experience simply 'for the lols' then is that not a case of harassment?
And if they do it from a position where the targeted individuals can not respond beyond quitting the game is that not then an exploit of intended game mechanics?
Because the scrubs who need to sink to these depths are not doing it to help their side win. That it lets certain guilds zerg harder is just a side effect of this unsporting conduct.
If you think the behavior you see meets the definition of harassment in the TOS and Code of Conduct, by all means report it to ZOS and let them figure it out.
I haven't seen that level of behavior that I would consider it to meet harassment, but then, I don't play AD. Yours is a rather broad definition, so I'm not going to give it a blanket agreement.0 -
Iskras✭✭✭The population in PvP fluctuates a lot and depends on several factors. I think there is a serious and great delay between the input and output of players and the information expressed in the queue.
Spying is not necessary since things in the Campaign are extremely simple and obvious. Groups, in general, do not speak in their zone's chats what they will do. Guilds, neither. I do not think it's possible for anyone to open two computer screens with the game just to hurt another faction - I hope.
Overall, AD is having better results in the early morning US time zone and in the morning. Hours called 'prime time US', the populations of EP, DC and AD grow. There are almost impossible zones to play because of LAG (old and good friend LAG).
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In time, im a SPY confirmed
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Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »
Seriously? I would also agree that people playing alt characters and spying, deliberately messing around with siege, or being rude (short of breaking TOS, of course) in zone chat sounds more like trolling than an actual exploit. Even going into another faction, grabbing their PUGs and going somewhere useless/to get slaughtered like you describe isn't actually against any rules I can find. If you know where the rules say differently, please point them out (because there's some AD and DC players I'd like to report for it).
The AP swapping and unknown-if-actually-occurring-queue-bug-that-ZOS-says-is-fixed or breaking TOS in zone chat would actually be exploits. Report those guys.
Do you agree its right way of playing game ? Again, I expect some AD guilds & folks will go after ZOs to fix this. Exploit is always against TOS. Already people are perma banned for intentionally exploiting the game. This is no difference.Edited by Priyasekarssk on April 12, 2018 2:36PM0 -
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and your statement is just a poorly structured assumption. good for you.Invictus1 -
Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭The population in PvP fluctuates a lot and depends on several factors. I think there is a serious and great delay between the input and output of players and the information expressed in the queue.
Spying is not necessary since things in the Campaign are extremely simple and obvious. Groups, in general, do not speak in their zone's chats what they will do. Guilds, neither. I do not think it's possible for anyone to open two computer screens with the game just to hurt another faction - I hope.
Overall, AD is having better results in the early morning US time zone and in the morning. Hours called 'prime time US', the populations of EP, DC and AD grow. There are almost impossible zones to play because of LAG (old and good friend LAG).
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In time, im a SPY confirmed
"Spying is not necessary since things in the Campaign are extremely simple and obvious."
Incorrect information. Spying breaks the game.
How would you explain to attack glade with 15 ADs when Alessia the last emperor keep is stormed by 20-30 EPs and only 5-10 ADs to defend it ? Groups leader is fit to lead a team or spy ?
Why that group leader repeatedly go after blue , when red advancing on the other end ?
How come DC arrives in no time when a keep is being attacked, when not its not the case with EP ? Explain.Edited by Priyasekarssk on April 12, 2018 3:01PM1 -
Iskras✭✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »The population in PvP fluctuates a lot and depends on several factors. I think there is a serious and great delay between the input and output of players and the information expressed in the queue.
Spying is not necessary since things in the Campaign are extremely simple and obvious. Groups, in general, do not speak in their zone's chats what they will do. Guilds, neither. I do not think it's possible for anyone to open two computer screens with the game just to hurt another faction - I hope.
Overall, AD is having better results in the early morning US time zone and in the morning. Hours called 'prime time US', the populations of EP, DC and AD grow. There are almost impossible zones to play because of LAG (old and good friend LAG).
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In time, im a SPY confirmed
"Spying is not necessary since things in the Campaign are extremely simple and obvious."
Incorrect information. Spying breaks the game.
How would you explain to attack glade with 15 ADs when Alessia is stormed by 20-30 EPs and only 5-10 ADs to defend it ? Groups leader is fit to lead a team or spy ?
Why that group leader repeatedly go after blue , when red advancing on the other end ?
How come DC arrives in no time when a keep is being attacked, when not its not the case with EP ? Explain.
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✭✭✭✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »
Seriously? I would also agree that people playing alt characters and spying, deliberately messing around with siege, or being rude (short of breaking TOS, of course) in zone chat sounds more like trolling than an actual exploit. Even going into another faction, grabbing their PUGs and going somewhere useless/to get slaughtered like you describe isn't actually against any rules I can find. If you know where the rules say differently, please point them out (because there's some AD and DC players I'd like to report for it).
The AP swapping and unknown-if-actually-occurring-queue-bug-that-ZOS-says-is-fixed or breaking TOS in zone chat would actually be exploits. Report those guys.
Do you agree its right way of playing game ? Again, I expect some AD guilds & folks will go after ZOs to fix this. Exploit is always against TOS. Already people are perma banned for intentionally exploiting the game. This is no difference.
I...you know what? Yeah, spying and playing alt character so they are useless for the faction is not forbidden by the rules (unless you know differently) so yeah, its not exploiting. Its playing the game within the currently intended set of rules for gameplay. if ZOS wants to make that not allowed, ZOS has to change the rules. I don't like that some of those things are within the rules, but they are and that makes them not exploits.
You don't seem to comprehend that there are some things technically allowed and not forbidden by the rules that are nonetheless annoying AF. Like multifaction players, spies, drama-stirrers, and others - who aren't breaking the rules as ZOS made them which allows for exactly that behavior. Obviously there's a limit, ZOS has banned for outright AP swapping, but not for multi-faction spying. ZOS bans for breaking the TOS in zone chat, but not for just being a drama-stirring jerk (or half of the non-multi-faction players would probably get banned...).
If you pick some random guy out of chat to be your crown and he feeds you to his DC buddies, he didn't break the rules of the game (as far as I can tell) since you didn't have to follow him. Its a jerk move to you, sure, but I can't see where that's against the rules. If you think otherwise, report it to ZOS and let them sort it out - ZOS being the final arbitrators of what is and what isn't breaking the rules.
But I think I'm done, since you and I have debated enough before. Ultimately, if you think its an exploit, report it and let ZOS deal with it. There's no other answer than that that's satisfactory.0 -
Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »The population in PvP fluctuates a lot and depends on several factors. I think there is a serious and great delay between the input and output of players and the information expressed in the queue.
Spying is not necessary since things in the Campaign are extremely simple and obvious. Groups, in general, do not speak in their zone's chats what they will do. Guilds, neither. I do not think it's possible for anyone to open two computer screens with the game just to hurt another faction - I hope.
Overall, AD is having better results in the early morning US time zone and in the morning. Hours called 'prime time US', the populations of EP, DC and AD grow. There are almost impossible zones to play because of LAG (old and good friend LAG).
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In time, im a SPY confirmed
"Spying is not necessary since things in the Campaign are extremely simple and obvious."
Incorrect information. Spying breaks the game.
How would you explain to attack glade with 15 ADs when Alessia the last emperor keep is stormed by 20-30 EPs and only 5-10 ADs to defend it ? Groups leader is fit to lead a team or spy ?
Why that group leader repeatedly go after blue , when red advancing on the other end ?
How come DC arrives in no time when a keep is being attacked, when not its not the case with EP ? Explain.
Bad lead, bad strategy!
Ask AD guild folks to agree to it. Again problem is AD folks as well. EP has unity among team. Even 1 spy , with 30-50 EPs in same place, spying is irrelevant. Its all out fight.
AD doesnt have unit or faction loyal leaders. Any new self proclaimed group leader has to be questioned and not allowed to run a parallel group. Again its problem for AD faction in long run. Also advise AD players not to join any unknown groups. Only faction loyal group leaders are allowed to run a group.
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✭✭✭✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »The population in PvP fluctuates a lot and depends on several factors. I think there is a serious and great delay between the input and output of players and the information expressed in the queue.
Spying is not necessary since things in the Campaign are extremely simple and obvious. Groups, in general, do not speak in their zone's chats what they will do. Guilds, neither. I do not think it's possible for anyone to open two computer screens with the game just to hurt another faction - I hope.
Overall, AD is having better results in the early morning US time zone and in the morning. Hours called 'prime time US', the populations of EP, DC and AD grow. There are almost impossible zones to play because of LAG (old and good friend LAG).
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In time, im a SPY confirmed
"Spying is not necessary since things in the Campaign are extremely simple and obvious."
Incorrect information. Spying breaks the game.
How would you explain to attack glade with 15 ADs when Alessia the last emperor keep is stormed by 20-30 EPs and only 5-10 ADs to defend it ? Groups leader is fit to lead a team or spy ?
Why that group leader repeatedly go after blue , when red advancing on the other end ?
How come DC arrives in no time when a keep is being attacked, when not its not the case with EP ? Explain.
Bad lead, bad strategy!
Ask AD guild folks to agree to it. Again problem is AD folks as well. EP has unity among team. Even 1 spy , with 30-50 EPs in same place, spying is irrelevant. Its all out fight.
AD doesnt have unit or faction loyal leaders. Any new self proclaimed group leader has to be questioned and not allowed to run a parallel group. Again its problem for AD faction in long run. Also advise AD players not to join any unknown groups. Only faction loyal group leaders are allowed to run a group.
Many of time , when I play for AD , I dont join a group. I happy to be alone.
Good advice. Know your lead and if something seems fishy, bail.0 -
Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »
Seriously? I would also agree that people playing alt characters and spying, deliberately messing around with siege, or being rude (short of breaking TOS, of course) in zone chat sounds more like trolling than an actual exploit. Even going into another faction, grabbing their PUGs and going somewhere useless/to get slaughtered like you describe isn't actually against any rules I can find. If you know where the rules say differently, please point them out (because there's some AD and DC players I'd like to report for it).
The AP swapping and unknown-if-actually-occurring-queue-bug-that-ZOS-says-is-fixed or breaking TOS in zone chat would actually be exploits. Report those guys.
Do you agree its right way of playing game ? Again, I expect some AD guilds & folks will go after ZOs to fix this. Exploit is always against TOS. Already people are perma banned for intentionally exploiting the game. This is no difference.
I...you know what? Yeah, spying and playing alt character so they are useless for the faction is not forbidden by the rules (unless you know differently) so yeah, its not exploiting. Its playing the game within the currently intended set of rules for gameplay. if ZOS wants to make that not allowed, ZOS has to change the rules. I don't like that some of those things are within the rules, but they are and that makes them not exploits.
You don't seem to comprehend that there are some things technically allowed and not forbidden by the rules that are nonetheless annoying AF. Like multifaction players, spies, drama-stirrers, and others - who aren't breaking the rules as ZOS made them which allows for exactly that behavior. Obviously there's a limit, ZOS has banned for outright AP swapping, but not for multi-faction spying. ZOS bans for breaking the TOS in zone chat, but not for just being a drama-stirring jerk (or half of the non-multi-faction players would probably get banned...).
If you pick some random guy out of chat to be your crown and he feeds you to his DC buddies, he didn't break the rules of the game (as far as I can tell) since you didn't have to follow him. Its a jerk move to you, sure, but I can't see where that's against the rules. If you think otherwise, report it to ZOS and let them sort it out - ZOS being the final arbitrators of what is and what isn't breaking the rules.
But I think I'm done, since you and I have debated enough before. Ultimately, if you think its an exploit, report it and let ZOS deal with it. There's no other answer than that that's satisfactory.
You have a point. ZOs is pretty aware of this spying issue.
In case of other exploits, exploiters has to report it. Eg Aslyum trial issue. This issue might be reported to ZOs multiple times. Reporting one more time will make no difference. Even AD guild folks doesn't care much about it lol
Again its annoys new bies and drive away from PVP, when they came to know they are only being fooled.
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✭✭✭✭✭At this point I think IC personally should be its on PvP server you log directly into.
They defeated its original purpose long ago.
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Soul_Demon✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »VaranisArano if people are purposely engaging in behavior designed to disrupt another player's experience simply 'for the lols' then is that not a case of harassment?
And if they do it from a position where the targeted individuals can not respond beyond quitting the game is that not then an exploit of intended game mechanics?
Because the scrubs who need to sink to these depths are not doing it to help their side win. That it lets certain guilds zerg harder is just a side effect of this unsporting conduct.
If you think the behavior you see meets the definition of harassment in the TOS and Code of Conduct, by all means report it to ZOS and let them figure it out.
I haven't seen that level of behavior that I would consider it to meet harassment, but then, I don't play AD. Yours is a rather broad definition, so I'm not going to give it a blanket agreement.
He might be looking at it from the perspective of why should someone log into an alt char, say AD so a small group of say DC could constantly charge up their ultis to be ready to dump on next group of poor EP saps who try and take them out of farm location.
Not really sure where this falls as some twitchers carry 'pocket' ulti chargers (2 to 3) to give the appearance of super powered 8 mans and put it up on the channel- all in the name of making a buck. Not really 'super' play....but not quite sure if it boarders on exploit.....does give advantage to one player over another in game? Yes. Did ZOS mean for this to happen....guess they can answer. I am quite sure this "ulti charging crew" explains to the group they are charging for when zone callouts are sending an experienced group to wipe them and relay info 'miraculously" saving the group just in time. I think he may just be not covering where the inherent advantage lies to a team of multi faction players who 'charge up' on each other to extend the time they can out damage opponents doing the "I just want to play with my friends on other factions" thing. Then again, maybe I am way off target on that assumption.
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✭✭✭First of all my apologies for not doing this in a khajiit style but these gross acts of unsportsmanlike conduct have simply continue for to long with no real action on the part of ZOS.
This entire rant is also entirely aimed at the mid afternoon time slot I play in. YMMV during other time periods as I am not around then to look at things.
For a long long time people have been using alts to both boost their AP gains, provide them with 'spies' so they don't have to think to hard, spam zone chat, and add extra numbers when a 220 queue worth of people just isn't enough to fight 1 bar of opponents.
I'm sure we all remember when hundreds of players from the EU, and console servers were supposedly punished for this kind of behavior. I even have a video clip of a certain group of supposedly 'good' players resorting to using two groups from opposing factions to boost their AP and help them farm PUGs on an outnumbered faction.
Then there was the population exploit that let other factions exploit more people onto the server using alts. Supposedly zenimax fixed this, but then they rolled back some changes and the supposedly fixed population bars suddenly returned to their old state.
All of which have been part of last year of daily routine suffered any AD playing during the mid afternoon time period.
However over the last week this has once more gotten immensely blatant. So blatant there are large groups of 'spies' just sitting AFK in cyrodiil. And of course there are still the infantile trolls who squeal into zone chat about how 'good' they are while also telling their friends where to find camps, sieges, etc. There are also there are also the scrubs who show up to purposely sabotage sieges so their friends can 'win' against the 'zerging bads'....
And then there's also the 'purple' scrubs who use multiple factions worth of players to both boost their numbers, and give themselves more numers than any single faction allows. If you call that paranoid I have video of just that thing being done today at Vlastrus.
Finally there's the wastes of server space that are people in IC. Not only do they refuse to go to a quieter server or PVP, their presence actively harms the chances of the outnumbered faction remaining competitive without night capping. Especially when combined with the multiude of 'spies' doing their best to be the most useless things in the game.
All of that makes it damn near impossible for a faction to put up anything approaching the numbers routinely thrown at empty keeps by certain other opponents. And about the tenth time your PUG of 8 gets wiped by a combined group of 20+ it's just not worth staying on to watch yet another keep end up being double teamed by folks 'looking for good fights'.
And after a year of it....well it's just sad to see such antics being eagerly employed by certain individuals.
I really really really hope ZOS starts to do something about this blatant griefing and exploiting , and soon. Otherwise there's just no point logging into cyro to do the same thing I've been doing for four years now. heck even if Sommerset brings a major revamp to how the map is won this kind of unsporting conduct still needs to be addressed.
Stopped reading at "not doing this in khajiit style"Invictus
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✭✭✭What is the exact exploit being complained about here, anyways?
When it comes to things like zone chat warriors, tri faction players, IC sewer rats, and lazy players -- none of that is an exploit. Yeah, some of it is poor game play and possibly toxic behavior, but that's not exploitative.
In the instance of the zone chat warriors, if they're saying things that are toxic, there's the report mechanic in game that might occasionally be glanced at by ZOS every so often.
Aside from that, the queue issues were fixed. If they are recurring, then the burden of proof lies squarely with the accuser.Edited by Agrippa_Invisus on April 12, 2018 5:12PMAgrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
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✭Sorry Kilandros with the increasingly blatant idiocy on the part of certain people I felt it behooved me to unleash my annoyance in a way t hat'd make it obvious I was not saying this purely for amusement.
You know how people are when it comes to picking simple cues out of the humble language of the khajiit.Character: Telel
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Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »What is the exact exploit being complained about here, anyways?
When it comes to things like zone chat warriors, tri faction players, IC sewer rats, and lazy players -- none of that is an exploit. Yeah, some of it is poor game play and possibly toxic behavior, but that's not exploitative.
In the instance of the zone chat warriors, if they're saying things that are toxic, there's the report mechanic in game that might occasionally be glanced at by ZOS every so often.
Aside from that, the queue issues were fixed. If they are recurring, then the burden of proof lies squarely with the accuser.
Did you even read his post ?
Being allowed to play in multiple factions for same campaign.
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✭✭✭✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »What is the exact exploit being complained about here, anyways?
When it comes to things like zone chat warriors, tri faction players, IC sewer rats, and lazy players -- none of that is an exploit. Yeah, some of it is poor game play and possibly toxic behavior, but that's not exploitative.
In the instance of the zone chat warriors, if they're saying things that are toxic, there's the report mechanic in game that might occasionally be glanced at by ZOS every so often.
Aside from that, the queue issues were fixed. If they are recurring, then the burden of proof lies squarely with the accuser.
Did you even read his post ?
Being allowed to play in multiple factions for same campaign.
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✭✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »What is the exact exploit being complained about here, anyways?
When it comes to things like zone chat warriors, tri faction players, IC sewer rats, and lazy players -- none of that is an exploit. Yeah, some of it is poor game play and possibly toxic behavior, but that's not exploitative.
In the instance of the zone chat warriors, if they're saying things that are toxic, there's the report mechanic in game that might occasionally be glanced at by ZOS every so often.
Aside from that, the queue issues were fixed. If they are recurring, then the burden of proof lies squarely with the accuser.
Did you even read his post ?
Being allowed to play in multiple factions for same campaign.
Again, not an exploit. Did you read my post?Agrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
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Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »What is the exact exploit being complained about here, anyways?
When it comes to things like zone chat warriors, tri faction players, IC sewer rats, and lazy players -- none of that is an exploit. Yeah, some of it is poor game play and possibly toxic behavior, but that's not exploitative.
In the instance of the zone chat warriors, if they're saying things that are toxic, there's the report mechanic in game that might occasionally be glanced at by ZOS every so often.
Aside from that, the queue issues were fixed. If they are recurring, then the burden of proof lies squarely with the accuser.
Did you even read his post ?
Being allowed to play in multiple factions for same campaign.
Again, not an exploit. Did you read my post?
How about everyone does the same ? Lets EP players login to DC during offline hours. Dont do anything. Simply stand in cyrodil.
DC players login to AD. AD players login to EP. Disconnect ,& dont log off. It would be pretty fun.
All alliances full capped all the time and no one will fight. Everything is ok and fine. Its not expoit either. PVP even more fun with login competition. ESO PVP will become even more great gaming experience.Edited by Priyasekarssk on April 12, 2018 5:31PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »What is the exact exploit being complained about here, anyways?
When it comes to things like zone chat warriors, tri faction players, IC sewer rats, and lazy players -- none of that is an exploit. Yeah, some of it is poor game play and possibly toxic behavior, but that's not exploitative.
In the instance of the zone chat warriors, if they're saying things that are toxic, there's the report mechanic in game that might occasionally be glanced at by ZOS every so often.
Aside from that, the queue issues were fixed. If they are recurring, then the burden of proof lies squarely with the accuser.
Did you even read his post ?
Being allowed to play in multiple factions for same campaign.
Again, not an exploit. Did you read my post?
How about everyone does the same ? Lets EP players login to DC during offline hours. Dont do anything. Simply stand in cyrodil.
DC players login to AD. AD players login to EP. Disconnect ,& dont log off. It would be pretty fun.
All alliances full capped all the time and no one will fight. Everything is ok and fine. Its not expoit either. PVP even more fun with login competition.
Do you think that some AD and DC players don't do that to EP? I'm under no delusions that there aren't EP players that do that.
Its not against the rules of the game right now.Therefore, not an exploit. If you want to have the rules changed, talk to ZOS about it.
I doubt any of us actually support players sitting AFK or spying, but I certainly don't like people calling things exploits that aren't actually against the rules. For one, it makes it harder to deal with actual exploits. Second, there's a huge difference between "I don't like that, It should be an exploit, change the rules so it is" which seems to be your position and "That's an exploit! Bans and punishment!" which is what happens when something is actually against the rules. Which multifaction play on the same campaign is allowed, encouraged, and not an exploit.
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✭✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »What is the exact exploit being complained about here, anyways?
When it comes to things like zone chat warriors, tri faction players, IC sewer rats, and lazy players -- none of that is an exploit. Yeah, some of it is poor game play and possibly toxic behavior, but that's not exploitative.
In the instance of the zone chat warriors, if they're saying things that are toxic, there's the report mechanic in game that might occasionally be glanced at by ZOS every so often.
Aside from that, the queue issues were fixed. If they are recurring, then the burden of proof lies squarely with the accuser.
Did you even read his post ?
Being allowed to play in multiple factions for same campaign.
Again, not an exploit. Did you read my post?
How about everyone does the same ? Lets EP players login to DC during offline hours. Dont do anything. Simply stand in cyrodil.
DC players login to AD. AD players login to EP. Disconnect ,& dont log off. It would be pretty fun.
All alliances full capped all the time and no one will fight. Everything is ok and fine. Its not expoit either. PVP even more fun with login competition. ESO PVP will become even more great gaming experience.
Oh please. Babbling your way through pointless hyperbole serves nothing. Instead you make yourself look the fool by talking about things that don't even affect anything.
If I were to log in as an AD, then disconnect without logging off, whomever is next in queue for AD will get that Cyrodiil spot within a couple minutes when my account gets the boot.
Other than that, sitting around on another faction not helping is. not. exploiting. It's called toxic behavior and typically has a different class of penalties associated with it. Another term for it is throwing.
On top of that you have to prove that a) this is happening, and b) happening in meaningful enough numbers as to actually affect the results of the Cyrodiil campaign score.
Agrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
DragonKnight / Templar / Warden / Sorcerer - Vagabond
Once a General, now a Citizen
Former Emperor of Bloodthorn and Vivec
For Sweetrolls! FOR FIMIAN!4 -
Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »What is the exact exploit being complained about here, anyways?
When it comes to things like zone chat warriors, tri faction players, IC sewer rats, and lazy players -- none of that is an exploit. Yeah, some of it is poor game play and possibly toxic behavior, but that's not exploitative.
In the instance of the zone chat warriors, if they're saying things that are toxic, there's the report mechanic in game that might occasionally be glanced at by ZOS every so often.
Aside from that, the queue issues were fixed. If they are recurring, then the burden of proof lies squarely with the accuser.
Did you even read his post ?
Being allowed to play in multiple factions for same campaign.
Again, not an exploit. Did you read my post?
How about everyone does the same ? Lets EP players login to DC during offline hours. Dont do anything. Simply stand in cyrodil.
DC players login to AD. AD players login to EP. Disconnect ,& dont log off. It would be pretty fun.
All alliances full capped all the time and no one will fight. Everything is ok and fine. Its not expoit either. PVP even more fun with login competition. ESO PVP will become even more great gaming experience.
Oh please. Babbling your way through pointless hyperbole serves nothing. Instead you make yourself look the fool by talking about things that don't even affect anything.
If I were to log in as an AD, then disconnect without logging off, whomever is next in queue for AD will get that Cyrodiil spot within a couple minutes when my account gets the boot.
Other than that, sitting around on another faction not helping is. not. exploiting. It's called toxic behavior and typically has a different class of penalties associated with it. Another term for it is throwing.
On top of that you have to prove that a) this is happening, and b) happening in meaningful enough numbers as to actually affect the results of the Cyrodiil campaign score.
You wont even worth anyone time. Moreover I dont talk to fools.
"Instead you make yourself look the fool by talking about things that don't even affect anything."Edited by Priyasekarssk on April 12, 2018 5:59PM0 -
Agrippa_Invisus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »What is the exact exploit being complained about here, anyways?
When it comes to things like zone chat warriors, tri faction players, IC sewer rats, and lazy players -- none of that is an exploit. Yeah, some of it is poor game play and possibly toxic behavior, but that's not exploitative.
In the instance of the zone chat warriors, if they're saying things that are toxic, there's the report mechanic in game that might occasionally be glanced at by ZOS every so often.
Aside from that, the queue issues were fixed. If they are recurring, then the burden of proof lies squarely with the accuser.
Did you even read his post ?
Being allowed to play in multiple factions for same campaign.
Again, not an exploit. Did you read my post?
How about everyone does the same ? Lets EP players login to DC during offline hours. Dont do anything. Simply stand in cyrodil.
DC players login to AD. AD players login to EP. Disconnect ,& dont log off. It would be pretty fun.
All alliances full capped all the time and no one will fight. Everything is ok and fine. Its not expoit either. PVP even more fun with login competition. ESO PVP will become even more great gaming experience.
Oh please. Babbling your way through pointless hyperbole serves nothing. Instead you make yourself look the fool by talking about things that don't even affect anything.
If I were to log in as an AD, then disconnect without logging off, whomever is next in queue for AD will get that Cyrodiil spot within a couple minutes when my account gets the boot.
Other than that, sitting around on another faction not helping is. not. exploiting. It's called toxic behavior and typically has a different class of penalties associated with it. Another term for it is throwing.
On top of that you have to prove that a) this is happening, and b) happening in meaningful enough numbers as to actually affect the results of the Cyrodiil campaign score.
You wont even worth anyone time. Moreover I dont talk to fools.
"Instead you make yourself look the fool by talking about things that don't even affect anything."
Sooo... instead of proving yourself, you try to make yourself feel superior and clam up.
I feel I've made my point.Agrippa Invisus / Indominus / Inprimis / Inviolatus
DragonKnight / Templar / Warden / Sorcerer - Vagabond
Once a General, now a Citizen
Former Emperor of Bloodthorn and Vivec
For Sweetrolls! FOR FIMIAN!3 -
Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »What is the exact exploit being complained about here, anyways?
When it comes to things like zone chat warriors, tri faction players, IC sewer rats, and lazy players -- none of that is an exploit. Yeah, some of it is poor game play and possibly toxic behavior, but that's not exploitative.
In the instance of the zone chat warriors, if they're saying things that are toxic, there's the report mechanic in game that might occasionally be glanced at by ZOS every so often.
Aside from that, the queue issues were fixed. If they are recurring, then the burden of proof lies squarely with the accuser.
Did you even read his post ?
Being allowed to play in multiple factions for same campaign.
Again, not an exploit. Did you read my post?
How about everyone does the same ? Lets EP players login to DC during offline hours. Dont do anything. Simply stand in cyrodil.
DC players login to AD. AD players login to EP. Disconnect ,& dont log off. It would be pretty fun.
All alliances full capped all the time and no one will fight. Everything is ok and fine. Its not expoit either. PVP even more fun with login competition.
Do you think that some AD and DC players don't do that to EP? I'm under no delusions that there aren't EP players that do that.
Its not against the rules of the game right now.Therefore, not an exploit. If you want to have the rules changed, talk to ZOS about it.
I doubt any of us actually support players sitting AFK or spying, but I certainly don't like people calling things exploits that aren't actually against the rules. For one, it makes it harder to deal with actual exploits. Second, there's a huge difference between "I don't like that, It should be an exploit, change the rules so it is" which seems to be your position and "That's an exploit! Bans and punishment!" which is what happens when something is actually against the rules. Which multifaction play on the same campaign is allowed, encouraged, and not an exploit.
Rules with loopholes has to be fixed. Its like hole in the ship and sink it slowly. Argument is its not against rules and deserves no punishment same a in real life. Agreed. If PVP need to sustain , new players has come to PVP on regular basis.
Question is whether to fix or allow it to happen ? I leave the answer to PVP guys. I have just given the information in perspective for a game. I have nothing to benefit from it.
For me PVP is not main in this game and I am not even faction loyalist. I just go there and farm APs & telvars come back. Buy something sell it in guild stores. I just join on all 3 campaigns with all my toons. Whichever wins or loses , I personally have no loss. Spying , going afk is not my style of playing and no use for my style. Even if ZOs blocks joining same campaign as discussed which is highly unlikely , I join different campaigns for each of my toons. Even many AD folks are like that. They are too casual gamers. Many dont even take PVP serious unlike other 2 alliances. Many are very keen on profit for time spent. AD has serious people running for emperor. But its very low.
So , stop referring to me. I have nothing to gain or lose. Lets talk in game perspective. I am just telling what is happening. If you are not interested in doing such things its good. It wont prevent others from doing such things and continue to happen.Edited by Priyasekarssk on April 12, 2018 6:41PM1 -
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✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »How come DC arrives in no time when a keep is being attacked, when not its not the case with EP ? Explain.
As a terribad casual, I personally spend a significant amount of time in Cyrodiil scouting back keeps and repairing. If you attack a DC back keep and suddenly a flood of DC players drops from the wall and mows you down even before the keep bursts, it’s probably because of me or someone like me discovering your siege early and called it out in zone. Just because you don’t understand why something happened doesn’t mean someone’s cheating.4 -
Vilestride✭✭✭✭✭Logging into another faction, sitting on keep walls and reporting movements of the faction to another are absolutely permitted by ZOS and not an exploit of any kind.
Teaming up with members of another faction for whatever reason is also entirely permitted and in many ways intended in a tri faction war.
Boosting AP I am sure is against terms of service but if me and a DC buddy want to kill a few AD in a feild and then dance a while around the bodies there is absolutely nothing wrong with this in regards to TOS.0 -
Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »How come DC arrives in no time when a keep is being attacked, when not its not the case with EP ? Explain.
As a terribad casual, I personally spend a significant amount of time in Cyrodiil scouting back keeps and repairing. If you attack a DC back keep and suddenly a flood of DC players drops from the wall and mows you down even before the keep bursts, it’s probably because of me or someone like me discovering your siege early and called it out in zone. Just because you don’t understand why something happened doesn’t mean someone’s cheating.
I play in DC characters as well. I don't think so. It doesn't mean its cheating. I mean exploiting the mechanics. Its completely not avoidable in current setup . Also , AD is responsible for this to make themselves expoitable. AD is disoriented faction without any unity , spread-ed way thin. When EP have united major force and know how to safeguard their pugs , why not AD.
Even some DC or EP or AD player does or not is out of question as other pointed out. Its not against PVP rules per say at least as of now.Edited by Priyasekarssk on April 12, 2018 9:04PM0
