Why auction house is bad

LeagueTroll · April 2018

Yes, this is a ‘I don’t want auction house’ thread. Eso is not a du-mb pay to win korean game. As a game with real lore, eso need to not to copy the system of those games. Guild trader is a great and unique system, location matters, guilds with good trader atract people. Zone buy is enable because of no auction house, players can barter, which is something rare in games with auction house. The only thing good about auction house is easier to code it. I would never support a boring system.

LeagueTroll · April 2018

Good work zos dev, just showing support.

srfrogg23 · April 2018

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Yes, this is a ‘I don’t want auction house’ thread. Eso is not a du-mb pay to win korean game. As a game with real lore, eso need to not to copy the system of those games. Guild trader is a great and unique system, location matters, guilds with good trader atract people. Zone buy is enable because of no auction house, players can barter, which is something rare in games with auction house. The only thing good about auction house is easier to code it. I would never support a boring system.

I guess you don’t have much to worry about since it’s probably not going to happen through any official means.

You just need some TTC and a few addons on the other hand

Drachenfier · April 2018

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Eso is not a du-mb pay to win korean game.

What in the name of all that is spaghetti does that have to do with an auction house?

Yinmaigao · April 2018

LeagueTroll wrote: »

The only thing good about auction house is easier to code it.

Biased opinion is biased.

Drachenfier · April 2018

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Drachenfier wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Eso is not a du-mb pay to win korean game.

What in the name of all that is spaghetti does that have to do with an auction house?

Nothing. He’s trolling.

Was gonna say, that statement is kinda ironic considering I hate ESO's guild trader system almost as much as I hate Korean mmo games.

Smokewood · April 2018

Scrap the entire system.
Allow every player to have a personal vendor(s) in their home(s).
Place a new NPC type called the Vendor Search NPC in every major city and town.
Players can then use the new Vendor Search NPC to locate the item(s) they want, receive a waypoint(s) to said vendor(s), and then travel there to buy the item(s).

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Linaleah · April 2018

the only reason guild trader system is here to stay is becasue its THE most effective continuous gold sink that this game has.

it is however a boring, tedious time consuming system compared to centralized trading that incidentally is a trademark of vat majority of western MMO's. heck I cannot think of a single western mmo that doesn't use some sort of centralized trading.

the claim that other mmo's are not lore rich is laughable and entirely false. we are being different for the sake of being different, but mostly we are being different because in the beginning, there WAS no trading system to speak of. this mess of a system is the only thing they could come up with, after not thinking trading through and not properly adding it from the start. but oh well.

LeagueTroll · April 2018

Drachenfier wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Drachenfier wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Eso is not a du-mb pay to win korean game.

What in the name of all that is spaghetti does that have to do with an auction house?

Nothing. He’s trolling.

Was gonna say, that statement is kinda ironic considering I hate ESO's guild trader system almost as much as I hate Korean mmo games.

What? I love eso trader system.

Cpt_Teemo · April 2018

This is like a 1990 barbaric economy setup tbh, all recent MMO's use a form of global auction house now a days its just much easier to use for those that can't be on more than 2 hours a day

Gythral · April 2018

I love looking for a new trading guild or 4 every Sunday night, it never gets old or annoying...

Inarre · April 2018

I was gonna give you heck for starting another one of these threads when I know you have seen them and commented in them at least as much as I have...

But I agree with you. So here's a cookie instead

Enslaved · April 2018

What I like with the system we have

searching for items is more immersive compared to global auction house (GAH)
there is chance to find hidden gems, very nice items for low price

What I dislike with current system

for one to stay in good to excellent trading guild, there are requirements that make player spend way too much time in activities he might not like too much
some guilds are exploiting system to get guild vendors. For me its just cheating.

Nihility42 · April 2018

LeagueTroll · April 2018

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

This is like a 1990 barbaric economy setup tbh, all recent MMO's use a form of global auction house now a days its just much easier to use for those that can't be on more than 2 hours a day

Not sure that’s a good thing at all. Barter with other player is dead in those games.

LeagueTroll · April 2018

Inarre wrote: »

I was gonna give you heck for starting another one of these threads when I know you have seen them and commented in them at least as much as I have...

But I agree with you. So here's a cookie instead

Thank you

Jerkling · April 2018

Linaleah wrote: »

[...] this mess of a system is the only thing they could come up with, after not thinking trading through and not properly adding it from the start. but oh well.

I'm pretty sure this system is in fact very well thought through. For one it is much more realistic than any AH spanning a whole fantasy world/universe/multiverse and for two (:D) it prevents AH bots and all such nonsense that comes with a centralized AH.
I applaud ZOS for this system - well done!

Cpt_Teemo · April 2018

Jerkling wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

[...] this mess of a system is the only thing they could come up with, after not thinking trading through and not properly adding it from the start. but oh well.

I'm pretty sure this system is in fact very well thought through. For one it is much more realistic than any AH spanning a whole fantasy world/universe/multiverse and for two (:D) it prevents AH bots and all such nonsense that comes with a centralized AH.
I applaud ZOS for this system - well done!

Realistic as in people exploiting it since day 1 not getting in trouble for exploiting it constantly every week since day 1, abusing addons to give false PCs, if you think this prevents Bots you are 100% wrong this is Bot heaven compared to an auction house, nonsense of saving everyone's playtime every day is not nonsense.

Violynne · April 2018

LeagueTroll wrote: »

The only thing good about auction house is easier to code it. I would never support a boring system.

I don't think you understand the request for an auction house. This isn't to replace guild stores, it's to allow players to sell items without a guild store.

In other words: both will exist in the game.

Auctions can be a great place to get items at a fraction of the cost.

As for "easier to code it", clearly you're not a programmer. So, I'll close with this:

public function Oops(int ignoranceLimit) {
return ignoranceLimit / 0;
}

LeagueTroll · April 2018

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Jerkling wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

[...] this mess of a system is the only thing they could come up with, after not thinking trading through and not properly adding it from the start. but oh well.

I'm pretty sure this system is in fact very well thought through. For one it is much more realistic than any AH spanning a whole fantasy world/universe/multiverse and for two (:D) it prevents AH bots and all such nonsense that comes with a centralized AH.
I applaud ZOS for this system - well done!

Realistic as in people exploiting it since day 1 not getting in trouble for exploiting it constantly every week since day 1, abusing addons to give false PCs, if you think this prevents Bots you are 100% wrong this is Bot heaven compared to an auction house, nonsense of saving everyone's playtime every day is not nonsense.

Well if people are stupid enough to trust a non global price check. That’s their own da-mn fault. I tell people to give ttc price just because there is no point faking it.

Nihility42 · April 2018

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Jerkling wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

[...] this mess of a system is the only thing they could come up with, after not thinking trading through and not properly adding it from the start. but oh well.

I'm pretty sure this system is in fact very well thought through. For one it is much more realistic than any AH spanning a whole fantasy world/universe/multiverse and for two (:D) it prevents AH bots and all such nonsense that comes with a centralized AH.
I applaud ZOS for this system - well done!

Realistic as in people exploiting it since day 1 not getting in trouble for exploiting it constantly every week since day 1, abusing addons to give false PCs, if you think this prevents Bots you are 100% wrong this is Bot heaven compared to an auction house, nonsense of saving everyone's playtime every day is not nonsense.

How is it exploited? And don't say flipping, because that's clearly no an exploit.

Prospero_ESO · April 2018

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Yes, this is a ‘I don’t want auction house’ thread.

Idk why you open a thread for this, you are beating a dead horse. ZOS thinks that it is a good idea to not have an auction house, some people agree and some don´t. Nothing will change

LeagueTroll wrote: »

Eso is not a du-mb pay to win korean game

This i am sorry is not only pretty ignorant it is also pretty stupid. Not only p2w asian games have auction houses, nearly every mmo has one, so if you only play those p2w game OK your decision but that does not apply for every mmo out there.

LeagueTroll · April 2018

Violynne wrote: »

LeagueTroll wrote: »

The only thing good about auction house is easier to code it. I would never support a boring system.

I don't think you understand the request for an auction house. This isn't to replace guild stores, it's to allow players to sell items without a guild store.

In other words: both will exist in the game.

Auctions can be a great place to get items at a fraction of the cost.

As for "easier to code it", clearly you're not a programmer. So, I'll close with this:

public function Oops(int ignoranceLimit) {
return ignoranceLimit / 0;
}

Lol tell me, is there a bidding system in auction house? No, then how exactly is auction house harder to code. What code exactly is required by auction house but not guild trader?

slitrage · April 2018

ESO's trading system is designed to deliberately introduce market supply & demand inefficiencies. I do not know to what end, though. Maybe someone else can explain?

Cpt_Teemo · April 2018

Nihility42 wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Jerkling wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

[...] this mess of a system is the only thing they could come up with, after not thinking trading through and not properly adding it from the start. but oh well.

I'm pretty sure this system is in fact very well thought through. For one it is much more realistic than any AH spanning a whole fantasy world/universe/multiverse and for two (:D) it prevents AH bots and all such nonsense that comes with a centralized AH.
I applaud ZOS for this system - well done!

Realistic as in people exploiting it since day 1 not getting in trouble for exploiting it constantly every week since day 1, abusing addons to give false PCs, if you think this prevents Bots you are 100% wrong this is Bot heaven compared to an auction house, nonsense of saving everyone's playtime every day is not nonsense.

How is it exploited? And don't say flipping, because that's clearly no an exploit.

Of course flipping isn't exploiting its just reselling, I'm talking about how people use fake guilds and sell the lots for more than what they bid on and also seem to get there bid back as well since they disband that fake guild after

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER · April 2018

ZOS_MikaS wrote: »

We have recently removed a handful of rude and insulting comments from this thread. Please keep in mind that calling another community member a "troll" is a violation of our Community Rules. Please be sure to keep this discussion civil and constructive moving forward. Thank you for your understanding.

But his name is literally troll

JinMori · April 2018

Just because something is unique doesn't mean it's good.

Global auction house system is way superior for many reasons, for example, you don't have to be in a guild to sell things reliably, you don;t have to make the quotas of guilds, possibly resulting in a kick if you don't manage to get them, sorry but i don't wanna feel always on edge, am i gonna get it this week? Will i be kicked because i didn't make the quota?

The guild system is a failure compared to global auction house, also, what even is the point as a game with real lore wtf are you talking about?

You mean wow doesn't have lore? It still has an auction house.

Or do you mean that an auction house is not in the lore of tes? Are you saying that after thousands of years, with intelligent people like shalidor etc... the people of tamriel did not manage to invent something as easy as this?

LeagueTroll · April 2018

JinMori wrote: »

Just because something is unique doesn't mean it's good.

Global auction house system is way superior for many reasons, for example, you don't have to be in a guild to sell things reliably, you don;t have to make the quotas of guilds, possibly resulting in a kick if you don't manage to get them, sorry but i don't wanna feel always on edge, am i gonna get it this week? Will i be kicked because i didn't make the quota?

The guild system is a failure compared to global auction house, also, what even is the point as a game with real lore wtf are you talking about?

You mean wow doesn't have lore? It still has an auction house.

Or do you mean that an auction house is not in the lore of tes? Are you saying that after thousands of years, with intelligent people like shalidor etc... the people of tamriel did not manage to invent something as easy as this?

You make it sounds like quota is hard. Reality is most guild in wayrest or elden root (napc) has like 20k a week quota. It is like ‘going to the gym once a month is too big a commitment’.

jazsper77 · April 2018

Yet Warframe with 38 million registered users has neither an Auction House or Guild Trader system. Yet it’s economy is 100x healthier then ESO.
I can invite players to my Dojo,Ship,Bazaroo all thru trading tab with no cost (tax to either) as my dojo is 0% tax.

Cpt_Teemo · April 2018

jazsper77 wrote: »

Yet Warframe with 38 million registered users has neither an Auction House or Guild Trader system. Yet it’s economy is 100x healthier then ESO.
I can invite players to my Dojo,Ship,Bazaroo all thru trading tab with no cost (tax to either) as my dojo is 0% tax.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2018/03/13/warframe-player-count-statistics-5th-anniversary

Doesn't mean the majority of players are still playing it though just the total amount of accounts