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Why auction house is bad
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Drachenfier✭✭✭✭✭
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I'm pretty sure this system is in fact very well thought through. For one it is much more realistic than any AH spanning a whole fantasy world/universe/multiverse and for two (:D) it prevents AH bots and all such nonsense that comes with a centralized AH.[...] this mess of a system is the only thing they could come up with, after not thinking trading through and not properly adding it from the start. but oh well.
I applaud ZOS for this system - well done!
In a world where we can teleport pretty much anywhere at will, the current system is even less realistic than a centralized AH.
Also, fireballs.7 -
knaveofengland✭✭✭your name gives it away , any game where ta sizeable player base is unhappy with the trader system will have a rocky road period , all mmos try to be differnet from each other , the current system is frustrating period .
loose the bid not good , players not sold much then kicked , what ever way you want to see the issuses through tinted glasses the facts remain , players not happy means some will simply go play another game , thats bad , why eso might loose revenue .
so look at the overall picture , in mmos you have to please the many and not the few .
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✭✭ESO's trading system is designed to deliberately introduce market supply & demand inefficiencies. I do not know to what end, though. Maybe someone else can explain?
A huge gold sink. I also don't think they consulted with people that know how markets could or will work at the time they implemented the guild trader system (although many a post on forums predicted it for them...).LeagueTroll wrote: »Just because something is unique doesn't mean it's good.
Global auction house system is way superior for many reasons, for example, you don't have to be in a guild to sell things reliably, you don;t have to make the quotas of guilds, possibly resulting in a kick if you don't manage to get them, sorry but i don't wanna feel always on edge, am i gonna get it this week? Will i be kicked because i didn't make the quota?
The guild system is a failure compared to global auction house, also, what even is the point as a game with real lore wtf are you talking about?
You mean wow doesn't have lore? It still has an auction house.
Or do you mean that an auction house is not in the lore of tes? Are you saying that after thousands of years, with intelligent people like shalidor etc... the people of tamriel did not manage to invent something as easy as this?
You make it sounds like quota is hard. Reality is most guild in wayrest or elden root (napc) has like 20k a week quota. It is like ‘going to the gym once a month is too big a commitment’.
A weekly commitment is comparable to a monthly commitment? Does not compute.3 -
LeagueTroll✭✭✭✭✭Wreuntzylla wrote: »ESO's trading system is designed to deliberately introduce market supply & demand inefficiencies. I do not know to what end, though. Maybe someone else can explain?
A huge gold sink. I also don't think they consulted with people that know how markets could or will work at the time they implemented the guild trader system (although many a post on forums predicted it for them...).LeagueTroll wrote: »Just because something is unique doesn't mean it's good.
Global auction house system is way superior for many reasons, for example, you don't have to be in a guild to sell things reliably, you don;t have to make the quotas of guilds, possibly resulting in a kick if you don't manage to get them, sorry but i don't wanna feel always on edge, am i gonna get it this week? Will i be kicked because i didn't make the quota?
The guild system is a failure compared to global auction house, also, what even is the point as a game with real lore wtf are you talking about?
You mean wow doesn't have lore? It still has an auction house.
Or do you mean that an auction house is not in the lore of tes? Are you saying that after thousands of years, with intelligent people like shalidor etc... the people of tamriel did not manage to invent something as easy as this?
You make it sounds like quota is hard. Reality is most guild in wayrest or elden root (napc) has like 20k a week quota. It is like ‘going to the gym once a month is too big a commitment’.
A weekly commitment is comparable to a monthly commitment? Does not compute.
It’s not like these guilds kick for not meet quota on a single week, most just kick after miss like 3 week in a row.
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Wreuntzylla✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭LeagueTroll wrote: »Wreuntzylla wrote: »ESO's trading system is designed to deliberately introduce market supply & demand inefficiencies. I do not know to what end, though. Maybe someone else can explain?
A huge gold sink. I also don't think they consulted with people that know how markets could or will work at the time they implemented the guild trader system (although many a post on forums predicted it for them...).LeagueTroll wrote: »Just because something is unique doesn't mean it's good.
Global auction house system is way superior for many reasons, for example, you don't have to be in a guild to sell things reliably, you don;t have to make the quotas of guilds, possibly resulting in a kick if you don't manage to get them, sorry but i don't wanna feel always on edge, am i gonna get it this week? Will i be kicked because i didn't make the quota?
The guild system is a failure compared to global auction house, also, what even is the point as a game with real lore wtf are you talking about?
You mean wow doesn't have lore? It still has an auction house.
Or do you mean that an auction house is not in the lore of tes? Are you saying that after thousands of years, with intelligent people like shalidor etc... the people of tamriel did not manage to invent something as easy as this?
You make it sounds like quota is hard. Reality is most guild in wayrest or elden root (napc) has like 20k a week quota. It is like ‘going to the gym once a month is too big a commitment’.
A weekly commitment is comparable to a monthly commitment? Does not compute.
It’s not like these guilds kick for not meet quota on a single week, most just kick after miss like 3 week in a row.
He's complaining about the stress he feels and not any actual inability to meet the quota...4 -
jazsper77✭✭✭✭✭You can play that game with the numbers game. You know like the 10 million ESO accounts created. That includes free to play weekends/4.99 Amazon copies.
All I’m saying is you can have a healthy economy that really is controlled by the players with no middleman.0 -
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Seeing that you did not present any proof whatsoever i'm simply going to dismiss this as nonsense and "Conspiracy Theories and Misinformation".Realistic as in people exploiting it since day 1 not getting in trouble for exploiting it constantly every week since day 1, abusing addons to give false PCs, if you think this prevents Bots you are 100% wrong this is Bot heaven compared to an auction house, nonsense of saving everyone's playtime every day is not nonsense.1 -
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I'm pretty sure this system is in fact very well thought through. For one it is much more realistic than any AH spanning a whole fantasy world/universe/multiverse and for two (:D) it prevents AH bots and all such nonsense that comes with a centralized AH.[...] this mess of a system is the only thing they could come up with, after not thinking trading through and not properly adding it from the start. but oh well.
I applaud ZOS for this system - well done!
whenever people bring up realism in a game where we cast fireballs out of our fingers, all I have to do is laugh. not to mention - there is NOTHING actually realistic about it.
here is how I shop in real life. I open up my browser, compare a few prices, order items I want from a place where prices are best and I'm done in 10 minutes tops. even when it comes to malls or whatever, you go in, all malls essentialy have the same set of stores where you know exactly what each store sells, the prices are about same no matter which mall you go to, and if something is out of stock - you can order it to come in later - at the same price as normal.
here is how you sell in real life. whether you have an online store, or brick and mortar shop, or both. with brick and mortar - you sign a lease for a storefront and that storefront is yours for as long as your lease is active, which is NOT a weekly lease. moreover, there is no such thing as bidding for your storefront - you lease it, you pay a set price and its yours, no one can come in and outbid you out of the blue and make you lose a storefront that way, as long as you are current on your lease with its SET rental price, which can be raised eventually, but also by only a set amount, becasue we have LAWS protecting tenants here.
even easier with website. you buy a domain name. you set up hosting. you are done. its yours. no one can take it from you as long as you pay your monthly or yearly hosting fee. I still have my etsy storefront that I haven't used in years and its still mine, it cannot be taken away from me.
ESO is NOT even remotely realistic, its NOT well thought out, becasue it excludes too many people due to guild limits, adding more vendors just scatters the system even more, there is a reason why only a few cities are highly thought out, becasue most people would rather not waste time shopping around, so people in out of the way places are basicaly screwed. the only ones buying their wares are the resellers. don't be in out of the way guild, you say? aside form the whole "SPOTS ARE LIMITED" deal, there is a certain pressure in being part of the larger trading guild. you have to trade constantly. its not like ebay where i can just sell whatever excess thing I may have ended up with, without having to now keep an active storefront.
ESO trading is the OPPOSITE of realistic in every. possible. way.
it is the system we are STUCK with.
P.S. yes I know how to work it, yes I'm in a very good guild that I got ridiculously lucky getting into (and thank goodness the leadership works on it being a community that is nice to be a part of, even if you are not selling heavily), but understanding and being able to use something successfully - doesn't mean I have to like it.Edited by Linaleah on April 12, 2018 3:22PMdirty worthless casual.
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Seeing that you did not present any proof whatsoever i'm simply going to dismiss this as nonsense and "Conspiracy Theories and Misinformation".Realistic as in people exploiting it since day 1 not getting in trouble for exploiting it constantly every week since day 1, abusing addons to give false PCs, if you think this prevents Bots you are 100% wrong this is Bot heaven compared to an auction house, nonsense of saving everyone's playtime every day is not nonsense.
Believe what you want but most high end guilds do find legit bots and kick them out1 -
LeagueTroll✭✭✭✭✭
I'm pretty sure this system is in fact very well thought through. For one it is much more realistic than any AH spanning a whole fantasy world/universe/multiverse and for two (:D) it prevents AH bots and all such nonsense that comes with a centralized AH.[...] this mess of a system is the only thing they could come up with, after not thinking trading through and not properly adding it from the start. but oh well.
I applaud ZOS for this system - well done!
whenever people bring up realism in a game where we cast fireballs out of our fingers, all I have to do is laugh. not to mention - there is NOTHING actually realistic about it.
here is how I shop in real life. I open up my browser, compare a few prices, order items I want from a place where prices are best and I'm done in 10 minutes tops. even when it comes to malls or whatever, you go in, all malls essentialy have the same set of stores where you know exactly what each store sells, the prices are about same no matter which mall you go to, and if something is out of stock - you can order it to come in later - at the same price as normal.
here is how you sell in real life. whether you have an online store, or brick and mortar shop, or both. with brick and mortar - you sign a lease for a storefront and that storefront is yours for as long as your lease is active, which is NOT a weekly lease. moreover, there is no such thing as bidding for your storefront - you lease it, you pay a set price and its yours, no one can come in and outbid you out of the blue and make you lose a storefront that way
even easier with website. you buy a domain name. you set up hosting. you are done. its yours. no one can take it from you. I still have my etsy storefront that I haven't used in years and its still mine, it cannot be taken away from me.
ESO is NOT even remotely realistic, its NOT well thought out, becasue it excludes too many people due to guild limits, adding more vendors just scatters the system even more, there is a reason why only a few cities are highly thought out, becasue most people would rather not waste time shopping around, so people in out of the way places are basicaly screwed. the only ones buying their wares are the resellers. don't be in out of the way guild, you say? aside form the whole "SPOTS ARE LIMITED" deal, there is a certain pressure in being part of the larger trading guild. you have to trade constantly. its not like ebay where i can just sell whatever excess thing I may have ended up with, without having to now keep an active storefront.
ESO trading is the OPPOSITE of realistic in every. possible. way.
it is the system we are STUCK with.
P.S. yes I know how to work it, yes I'm in a very good guild that I got ridiculously lucky getting into (and thank goodness the leadership works on it being a community that is nice to be a part of, even if you are not selling heavily), but understanding and being able to use something successful - doesn't mean I have to like it.
What? How is it not the case store has own website? It’s not like you have a single site that has all store info and you can place order on the site directly.0 -
Gythral✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭LeagueTroll wrote: »
I'm pretty sure this system is in fact very well thought through. For one it is much more realistic than any AH spanning a whole fantasy world/universe/multiverse and for two (:D) it prevents AH bots and all such nonsense that comes with a centralized AH.[...] this mess of a system is the only thing they could come up with, after not thinking trading through and not properly adding it from the start. but oh well.
I applaud ZOS for this system - well done!
whenever people bring up realism in a game where we cast fireballs out of our fingers, all I have to do is laugh. not to mention - there is NOTHING actually realistic about it.
here is how I shop in real life. I open up my browser, compare a few prices, order items I want from a place where prices are best and I'm done in 10 minutes tops. even when it comes to malls or whatever, you go in, all malls essentialy have the same set of stores where you know exactly what each store sells, the prices are about same no matter which mall you go to, and if something is out of stock - you can order it to come in later - at the same price as normal.
here is how you sell in real life. whether you have an online store, or brick and mortar shop, or both. with brick and mortar - you sign a lease for a storefront and that storefront is yours for as long as your lease is active, which is NOT a weekly lease. moreover, there is no such thing as bidding for your storefront - you lease it, you pay a set price and its yours, no one can come in and outbid you out of the blue and make you lose a storefront that way
even easier with website. you buy a domain name. you set up hosting. you are done. its yours. no one can take it from you. I still have my etsy storefront that I haven't used in years and its still mine, it cannot be taken away from me.
ESO is NOT even remotely realistic, its NOT well thought out, becasue it excludes too many people due to guild limits, adding more vendors just scatters the system even more, there is a reason why only a few cities are highly thought out, becasue most people would rather not waste time shopping around, so people in out of the way places are basicaly screwed. the only ones buying their wares are the resellers. don't be in out of the way guild, you say? aside form the whole "SPOTS ARE LIMITED" deal, there is a certain pressure in being part of the larger trading guild. you have to trade constantly. its not like ebay where i can just sell whatever excess thing I may have ended up with, without having to now keep an active storefront.
ESO trading is the OPPOSITE of realistic in every. possible. way.
it is the system we are STUCK with.
P.S. yes I know how to work it, yes I'm in a very good guild that I got ridiculously lucky getting into (and thank goodness the leadership works on it being a community that is nice to be a part of, even if you are not selling heavily), but understanding and being able to use something successful - doesn't mean I have to like it.
What? How is it not the case store has own website? It’s not like you have a single site that has all store info and you can place order on the site directly.
Google/Bing/Dogpile - ESO Mages Guild or is it that House Hlaalu put a fix in..Edited by Gythral on April 12, 2018 3:26PM“Be as a tower, that, firmly set,
Shakes not its top for any blast that blows!”
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Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭LeagueTroll wrote: »
I'm pretty sure this system is in fact very well thought through. For one it is much more realistic than any AH spanning a whole fantasy world/universe/multiverse and for two (:D) it prevents AH bots and all such nonsense that comes with a centralized AH.[...] this mess of a system is the only thing they could come up with, after not thinking trading through and not properly adding it from the start. but oh well.
I applaud ZOS for this system - well done!
whenever people bring up realism in a game where we cast fireballs out of our fingers, all I have to do is laugh. not to mention - there is NOTHING actually realistic about it.
here is how I shop in real life. I open up my browser, compare a few prices, order items I want from a place where prices are best and I'm done in 10 minutes tops. even when it comes to malls or whatever, you go in, all malls essentialy have the same set of stores where you know exactly what each store sells, the prices are about same no matter which mall you go to, and if something is out of stock - you can order it to come in later - at the same price as normal.
here is how you sell in real life. whether you have an online store, or brick and mortar shop, or both. with brick and mortar - you sign a lease for a storefront and that storefront is yours for as long as your lease is active, which is NOT a weekly lease. moreover, there is no such thing as bidding for your storefront - you lease it, you pay a set price and its yours, no one can come in and outbid you out of the blue and make you lose a storefront that way
even easier with website. you buy a domain name. you set up hosting. you are done. its yours. no one can take it from you. I still have my etsy storefront that I haven't used in years and its still mine, it cannot be taken away from me.
ESO is NOT even remotely realistic, its NOT well thought out, becasue it excludes too many people due to guild limits, adding more vendors just scatters the system even more, there is a reason why only a few cities are highly thought out, becasue most people would rather not waste time shopping around, so people in out of the way places are basicaly screwed. the only ones buying their wares are the resellers. don't be in out of the way guild, you say? aside form the whole "SPOTS ARE LIMITED" deal, there is a certain pressure in being part of the larger trading guild. you have to trade constantly. its not like ebay where i can just sell whatever excess thing I may have ended up with, without having to now keep an active storefront.
ESO trading is the OPPOSITE of realistic in every. possible. way.
it is the system we are STUCK with.
P.S. yes I know how to work it, yes I'm in a very good guild that I got ridiculously lucky getting into (and thank goodness the leadership works on it being a community that is nice to be a part of, even if you are not selling heavily), but understanding and being able to use something successful - doesn't mean I have to like it.
What? How is it not the case store has own website? It’s not like you have a single site that has all store info and you can place order on the site directly.
sure it does. its called amazon. did you know they sell other retailer's stuff too? like.... there are litteraly retailers who have their own stores? that also have small storefronts on amazon. ebay is similar, its both small occasional sellers and gigantic storefronts - all in one place. they save all my info, i just pop in, add to cart, and I'm done. and even when i'm price comparison shopping, and doing something in person, guess what? i don't have to check each and every store. I can call in to see if they have it in stock (or check online) and if they don't - I can request a backorder and they will tell me when its there and it will NOT cost me extra. i don't have to run around like a headless chicken. even with TTC - shopping is a crapshoot.
and like I said, every weekend there is the dreaded, oh god, please don't let anyone outbid us, lets keep raising our bid just in case, crap, we didn't make enough profit - let the raffle participation requests intensify. (and et me be clear, i do not blame the guild leadership for doing what they have to. I'm annoyed that they have to deal with this crap in a first place. week. after week. after week) this. is. ridiculous. and completely and UTTERLY unrealisticEdited by Linaleah on April 12, 2018 3:31PMdirty worthless casual.
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Jerkling✭✭✭✭
tl:dr (most of it)[...]
it is more realistic than any AH (that you think it's not is laughable) and there is no broadband internet in the TES universe so everything you said about your RL shopping experience is a completely mute point. also, noone forces you to be in a "top" trading guild, just any guild will do, and you can always sell your stuff in a direct sale with everyone. at no point can you not not sell items.
all you really want is convenience and therefor are blaming a supposedly "BAD" system for having to walk around a bit.
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Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
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tl:dr (most of it)[...]
it is more realistic than any AH (that you think it's not is laughable) and there is no broadband internet in the TES universe so everything you said about your RL shopping experience is a completely mute point. also, noone forces you to be in a "top" trading guild, just any guild will do, and you can always sell your stuff in a direct sale with everyone. at no point can you not not sell items.
all you really want is convenience and therefor are blaming a supposedly "BAD" system for having to walk around a bit.
its not realistic to real life either. forget the broadband, its not realistic to regular storefront brick and mortar experience.
but forget that. ITS
A
VIDEO
GAME
its supposed to be fun.
the claims of realism where there is none are pretty hilarious though. at least global auction houses in other games actualy have a real life counterpart that WORKS.
OF COURSE I want convenience. I want to spend more time playing and less time shopping. and I would like to not feel like I have to keep selling as essentially a part time job, because i would like to not get kicked out of my guild for inactivity thank you very much and its either selling or participating in raffles which are not affordable for me if I'm not selling and would like to you know, spend gold on personal fun things.
but speaking of broadband and realism. we have instant teleportation in this game. we have mail that arrives instantly and not just words - actual items that are delivered instantly. I shop at a banker in vivec, in my guild that is located in mournhold.. port to wrothgar and there it is, the item I bought. magic!
please. don't talk to me about AH being unrealistic when we have THIS in game already.
we don't have the trader system becasue realism. we are stuck with it because originally you could only trade with your own guild, and this was a quick and dirty way to allow trading with other people without having to redesign the whole thing from the ground up and as its now the primary gold sink this game has - we are going to continue to be stuck with it. we are not stuck with it becasue its a better system, we are stuck with it, becasue at this point, introducing a different system will be too much of an upheaval in every possible way.Edited by Linaleah on April 12, 2018 3:52PMdirty worthless casual.
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tl:dr (most of it)[...]
it is more realistic than any AH (that you think it's not is laughable) and there is no broadband internet in the TES universe so everything you said about your RL shopping experience is a completely mute point. also, noone forces you to be in a "top" trading guild, just any guild will do, and you can always sell your stuff in a direct sale with everyone. at no point can you not not sell items.
all you really want is convenience and therefor are blaming a supposedly "BAD" system for having to walk around a bit.
Also we should be able to steal items that people put up from the vendors as well then 1 vendor to look after 1500 items is very unrealistic especially out in the openEdited by Cpt_Teemo on April 12, 2018 3:41PM3 -
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Guild store: place item, set fee, set timer. Buyer claims item, removed from store. Message sent to both parties.LeagueTroll wrote: »Lol tell me, is there a bidding system in auction house? No, then how exactly is auction house harder to code. What code exactly is required by auction house but not guild trader?
Auction: place item, set price, set reserve (if optioned). Open system for users to "place bids", usually by submitting price. Have users get notice they've been outbid. After "X" time, auction closes. Fee removed. Message sent to both parties.
Auctions are more difficult to code for than a regular store.
The mechanics in delivering an outbid notice would be a challenge alone.
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Jerkling✭✭✭✭I never said it's realistic, i said it's more realistic then something else. And in an medievil based fantasy world this system is basicly the most realistic you can get. Ya, you pay for that spot in this city. Ya, this Guild Trader only sells these items and this one only these - maybe XYZ in the other city has what you are looking for.
Takes me like 10mins to check for an item in the mayor trading hubs (if i can't find it at all). So how exactly would you be wasting all your precious game time exactly? There isn't even anything in this game that would require you to shop on end or spend your time selling stuff to amass huge amounts of gold. So dafaq are you talking about?
[snip][...] Also we should be able to steal items that people put up from the vendors as well then 1 vendor to look after 1500 items is very unrealistic especially out in the open
[Edit for bait.]Edited by ZOS_GregoryV on January 5, 2019 10:40PM0 -
slitrage✭I think ESO took a page out of EVE Online's playbook when designing the segregated trade system. It effectively introduces market inefficiencies that can be exploited by players who are willing to run around scouring the markets in different zones, but makes it harder to corner the market and manipulate prices (thereby creating monopolies), since items are not managed from an easily accessible central location.
Can anyone think of any other reason from an MMO game design perspective?Edited by slitrage on April 12, 2018 4:02PM0 -
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✭This is like a 1990 barbaric economy setup tbh, all recent MMO's use a form of global auction house now a days its just much easier to use for those that can't be on more than 2 hours a day
just all other mmo have less population!
Imagine 10 million players going to shop or putting their stuff in the auction house!!!!!!!!!!!!
and then you come and want to buy your little twitty thing, good luck to find it until end of the month!
and that is why we have guildtraders, otherwise it is not doable at all!0 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭This is like a 1990 barbaric economy setup tbh, all recent MMO's use a form of global auction house now a days its just much easier to use for those that can't be on more than 2 hours a day
just all other mmo have less population!
Imagine 10 million players going to shop or putting their stuff in the auction house!!!!!!!!!!!!
and then you come and want to buy your little twitty thing, good luck to find it until end of the month!
and that is why we have guildtraders, otherwise it is not doable at all!
Takes me alot longer finding stuff in this game than it was on an auction house8 -
Drachenfier✭✭✭✭✭
✭This is like a 1990 barbaric economy setup tbh, all recent MMO's use a form of global auction house now a days its just much easier to use for those that can't be on more than 2 hours a day
just all other mmo have less population!
Imagine 10 million players going to shop or putting their stuff in the auction house!!!!!!!!!!!!
and then you come and want to buy your little twitty thing, good luck to find it until end of the month!
and that is why we have guildtraders, otherwise it is not doable at all!
Takes me alot longer finding stuff in this game than it was on an auction house
Man, you got that right. Absolutely annoying.1 -
Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This is like a 1990 barbaric economy setup tbh, all recent MMO's use a form of global auction house now a days its just much easier to use for those that can't be on more than 2 hours a day
just all other mmo have less population!
Imagine 10 million players going to shop or putting their stuff in the auction house!!!!!!!!!!!!
and then you come and want to buy your little twitty thing, good luck to find it until end of the month!
and that is why we have guildtraders, otherwise it is not doable at all!
this is why well coded systems have this thing called keyword search. you know this thing we have to use an addon for, on pc, while console players are stuck.dirty worthless casual.
Lois McMaster Bujold "A Civil Campaign"Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself. Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the ***7 -
Sylosi✭✭✭✭✭
✭Unless you are into the "roleplay" aspect to some degree or another, or you have a vested interest in having the market as obfuscated as possible and run on something that approaches a cartel system (of which both groups are a minority), then a global AH is a much better system.
Quality of life alone, simply the extra time it takes to buy stuff, check prices, etc in the ESO system is enough to put most sane people off it, which is one of the main reasons I stopped playing this game and why my money now gets spent elsewhere.Edited by Sylosi on April 12, 2018 4:50PM8 -
Spacemonkey✭✭✭✭✭Late to the thread;
It seems like fishing season is in full swing and I hate fishing so I'll just eat popcorn instead.
I think @LeagueTroll is in the lead. Never seems to run out of bait.
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LeagueTroll✭✭✭✭✭
Guild store: place item, set fee, set timer. Buyer claims item, removed from store. Message sent to both parties.LeagueTroll wrote: »Lol tell me, is there a bidding system in auction house? No, then how exactly is auction house harder to code. What code exactly is required by auction house but not guild trader?
Auction: place item, set price, set reserve (if optioned). Open system for users to "place bids", usually by submitting price. Have users get notice they've been outbid. After "X" time, auction closes. Fee removed. Message sent to both parties.
Auctions are more difficult to code for than a regular store.
The mechanics in delivering an outbid notice would be a challenge alone.
Timer = same logic, buy out = same logic, place item = same logic. Auction house getting a new max and notify the old max (if notify is even a thing). Guilde trader bid is just same logic without the notification. Sure, i guess u r right.0 -
LeagueTroll✭✭✭✭✭Spacemonkey wrote: »Late to the thread;
It seems like fishing season is in full swing and I hate fishing so I'll just eat popcorn instead.
I think @LeagueTroll is in the lead. Never seems to run out of bait. may the best win!
Thank you I suppose. Not baiting though. Those baiters don’t defend zos dev.
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Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Auction House is one of best thing that can happen to ESO.
ZOS will realize anyway if interested to keep ESO alive for long term.
Current Guild Trading system is very awful and not user friendly either it needs major changes or to be replace with something like Auction House.8 -
LeagueTroll✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »Auction House is one of best thing that can happen to ESO.
ZOS will realize anyway if interested to keep ESO alive for long term.
Current Guild Trading system is very awful and not user friendly either it needs major changes or to be replace with something like Auction House.
Yet you provided 0 reason why it is bad. Clearly there are also enough people who love the system.0 -
AvezesSoul Shriven
I'm pretty sure this system is in fact very well thought through. For one it is much more realistic than any AH spanning a whole fantasy world/universe/multiverse and for two (:D) it prevents AH bots and all such nonsense that comes with a centralized AH.[...] this mess of a system is the only thing they could come up with, after not thinking trading through and not properly adding it from the start. but oh well.
I applaud ZOS for this system - well done!
It always cracks me up when people look for realism in a game of magic. We can suspend belief to be able to imagine people can shoot frost out of a stick, but not that there could be a centralized means of communicating across the entire planet...2 -
Karavis3✭✭I don't like the current system because it requires being in a guild and I don't want to be in one. Some weeks I just don't feel like playing ESO, I'll read (books, manga etc) or draw or Watch shows or play other games. Even if you think a 20 k week commitment is small it's still more than I want to put up with. I just want to sell a few things occassionally, I don't want my time in ESO to feel like a part-time job. As things are now, if I have excess of something I can't or don't want to use I just destroy it instead.
I don't particularly want to current system to disappear, I just want an option (besides trying to sell in the chatt) for those of us who don't want to join a guild.5