I am an ESO+ subscriber and I say No, No and No again!

How does ESO+ make you a more knowledgeable or better player whose opinion should be valued above the one of a non-subscriber???

It neither defines you as a person, nor does it define your insight into the game or your social skills on a forum.

It's just a QOL commodity you can choose to add to your game play experience.. or not...

TarrNokk wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Ohtimbar wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

ilikepickles wrote: »

Bhaal5 wrote: »

Isn't there a "freedom of speech" clause in that country?

Doesn't apply to closed internet communities. Or most things, tbh.

The laws don't apply, but if you agree with the concept, it does.

Closed internet communities that censor their members as a rule are often just abandoned to die.

So, while it's true that "free speech laws" may not be enforced, the concept of "free speech" is respected, even if just for the sake of surviving.

Unless you live in North Korea, or something...

Just saying

I'm a free speech advocate, but I'm also a supporter of freedom from speech, at least in private homes, clubs and by extension internet communities. The amount of worthless toxic garbage just on these forums suggests the need for stricter controls via heavier moderation.

And how would limiting participation to ESO+ members help with that?

Less useless information.

Because ESO+ members (even those who just subbed) are magically more knowledgeable about the game? Or magically become excellent contributors to the forums just like they are in the game?

Uh huh. Pull the other one, its got bells on it.

Useless info on the forums takes two appearances. 1. Random comments from people who really don't use the forums much. 2. Opinions (right or wrong) from people who do use the forums a lot.

Do tell me how limiting participation to ESO+ is going to cut down on the ratio of useless information to content? (It'll cut down on the amount because you cut down on the amount of users, duh.

ESO+ players are not magically more knowledgeable about the game. They aren't going to produce a significantly better content to useless info ratio. What it will do is shrink the forum population significantly and I think there are some interesting numbers to go with that from the badges (if you want to view the badges for yourself, you can click on my profile to verify the numbers)

What is the active forum population?
People who made 1 comment: 140,000 people
People who made 10 comments: 33,537 people
People who made 100 comments: 7,124 people

Check out that drop-off in active contributors. You know how you mostly see the same names come up again and again in certain topics? The active population of this forum isn't that big.

We've got 935 people who've made 1000 comments.

But let's talk about something a little more related to Useless Information to Content ratio, shall we? Insightful is generally a pretty good way to measure what the community thinks is useful, right?
5 Insightfuls - 12,048 people, woot! we've got an awesome community!
25 insightfuls - 4,003 people
100 insightfuls - 1,256 people, we've got quite a drop off, haven't we?

So there's a glimpse into how small the "useful content" actually is when you look at it in terms of posters. Only 165 people have earned the 500 Insightfuls badge. Some of that is volume of posting, sure. My own ratio of comments is something like 1 insightful for every 4.3 comments or about 23%, and I'm in that 165 people. (I could talk about answers, but that's a more limited category and the drop off for badges is pretty brutal, so I think insightfuls is a more useful category to judge what the community thinks is useful information.)

Bottom line is this. The forum population of regular, knowledgeable posters really isn't all that big. Most people make a few comments and leave, never reaching even 10 comments. Shrinking that population even farther by limiting it to ESO+ means ZOS has less viewpoints into the game and what people want from it and furthermore excludes knowledge players who for their own reasons choose not to subscribe. Shrink too much and you get an echo chamber, not a forum.

P2W forums is a horrid concept, and the OP's idea also ignores the fact that some non-subscribers actually contribute more financially to the game through the Crown Store than some subscribersare likely to do.

A more attractive concept would be one in which there was general read-only access to everyone, with a newcomers section in which those who haven't yet bought the game could post questions about it, while posting on the rest of the forum would be restricted to those who had logged into the game on a pre-defined regular basis over say the previous month. That would remove most of those who have a lot of nonsense to say currently about a game they're no longer playing. However, it's just a dream, I'm not remotely suggesting it as a practical idea. Now we have more forum staff I'd simply support much heavier moderation of the existing setup, especially in relation to moving topics from this forum to the more appropriate ones.

smacky wrote: »

DanteYoda wrote: »

TarrNokk wrote: »

The most whining threads I read coming from people without ESO+ membership.
Most of them complaining about features, demanding this and that.
Let them read-only the forums except "customer support-help" where they can adress questions.

Wow the bigotry in this forum is astounding...

Bhaal5 wrote: »

Isn't there a "freedom of speech" clause in that country?

Thats not how freedom of speech works either..

I have to disagree with you here.

You may be right regarding the OP, but I have been reading the comments here, and it seems that the response is overwhelmingly against the OP.

http://www.uscourts.gov/about-federal-courts/educational-resources/about-educational-outreach/activity-resources/what-does

So were thinking about becoming forum elitists now? I don't think this is a good idea sorry. Also no one is forcing you to read those posts, so if you don't like what their opinion is don't read it.

Hell no.

Just because players are not subscribed does not mean they get blacklisted.

There are some pretty awful ideas spun up on these forums but this just might be the worst. To insinuate that some how the purchase of ESO+ determines the maturity or whatever you hope to curb is asinine. What next, a premium VIP forums for those that spend a $100 a month/day in the Crown $tore, private MOD chats if you hit $500???

What about closing the forum completely?
It's useless anyway, and we can all move to reddit.

Most forum users are trash anyways. Most everywhere you read you see everyone just itching to have a cocky comment everyone will vote an awesome on. Its a game outside of ESO of who can increase their forum stars.

Maybe instead of making forum use ESO+ to keep trash out, the moderators could do a better job keeping the trash out?

/soapboxon

Huge no to this.

I am a ESO+ subscriber. I have been since I started, and I plan on continuing. I do NOT want an ESO+ only posting ability.

The ability to voice your issues and opinions should NEVER be behind a paywall.

I am not "better than" the people who do not subscribe. People who do not subscribe also bought the game. People who do not subscribe also contribute to the experience. People who do not subscribe are PART of the experience. People who do not subscribe belong here.

I'd be willing to discuss an ESO+ section; though for the life of me I can't understand why you would want that. A larger pool of people = a better chance of learning something new to you; getting the answer you need; figuring out a hard mechanic; more access to rare items. /soapboxoff /sarcasmon

Shall we start asking for an ESO+ only server too?

Let's draw more lines in the sand that put barriers between groups of people. It's worked so well for the human race outside of game. /sarcasmoff

Lord_Wrath wrote: »

Most forum users are trash anyways. Most everywhere you read you see everyone just itching to have a cocky comment everyone will vote an awesome on. Its a game outside of ESO of who can increase their forum stars.

Maybe instead of making forum use ESO+ to keep trash out, the moderators could do a better job keeping the trash out?

There's a Report button for anything that violates the forum rules. That includes things like spamming, baiting, flaming, rude or insulting comments, and while I don't actually see it on the Community Rules, I know posts have been removed for being off-topic.

So since the moderators don't read every comment of every thread, presumably, press that report button to flag that "trash" so they know it needs to be taken out.

agree, how about make ingame control see only for none eso+? if you don't pay monthly sub you can't control your character, it will be assign a task and automatically assign a daily routine.

It's interesting, people tend to become personal only by reading things they dislike.

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I didn't mean to hurt someone personal, just a suggestion after reading so many posts of complaining people about summerset and jewelry crafting behind paywall this, behind paywall that, the anniversary gotten not enough desired motifs from boxes because they can't stuff enough in their greedy maws, about ZOS maintenance politics etc.p.p.

Same people who reject any sort of elitism do kick out russian players from pug, players with low cp or low HP.
Sounds hypocryte.

TarrNokk wrote: »

Some people who reject any sort of elitism do kick out russian players from pug, players with low cp or low HP.

Fixed that for you. Please don't speak for everyone.

Aisle9 wrote: »

Ohtimbar wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

ilikepickles wrote: »

Bhaal5 wrote: »

Isn't there a "freedom of speech" clause in that country?

Doesn't apply to closed internet communities. Or most things, tbh.

The laws don't apply, but if you agree with the concept, it does.

Closed internet communities that censor their members as a rule are often just abandoned to die.

So, while it's true that "free speech laws" may not be enforced, the concept of "free speech" is respected, even if just for the sake of surviving.

Unless you live in North Korea, or something...

Just saying

I'm a free speech advocate, but I'm also a supporter of freedom from speech, at least in private homes, clubs and by extension internet communities. The amount of worthless toxic garbage just on these forums suggests the need for stricter controls via heavier moderation.

No we don't.

Go back to page one and read the whole thing again, that's an amazing example of why free speech works.

Someone says something, the idea is challenged, and mocked mercilessly if it doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

Stupid ideas need to be expressed, that way they can be killed, with reason and logic, through debate.

If you censor them, they live under the snow, waiting for the environment to be fertile again.

Freedom from speech is just an echo chamber, or a circle jerk, call it what you want

If you want to wallow in the muck and the mire help yourself. Some of us aren't here to wade through a swamp or debate nonsense with toxic morons. This is a video game forum, not a civics class. Bring on the censorship. I welcome it with open arms.