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DanteYoda✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ilikepickles wrote: »
The laws don't apply, but if you agree with the concept, it does.
Closed internet communities that censor their members as a rule are often just abandoned to die.
So, while it's true that "free speech laws" may not be enforced, the concept of "free speech" is respected, even if just for the sake of surviving.
Unless you live in North Korea, or something...
Just saying
I'm a free speech advocate, but I'm also a supporter of freedom from speech, at least in private homes, clubs and by extension internet communities. The amount of worthless toxic garbage just on these forums suggests the need for stricter controls via heavier moderation.
Freedom of speech is so people can talk about their governments without reprisal.
What you are talking about is not Freedom of speech..4 -
DanteYoda✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭How can you tell if a forum contributor is ESO+ or not?
Why does it matter imo... How does throwing money at a company make you better than some one who doesn't.. Tbh imo the ones that don't are the smarter ones after seeing all these maintenances..Edited by DanteYoda on April 12, 2018 10:45AM0 -
Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
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As far as I am aware you can't.How can you tell if a forum contributor is ESO+ or not?
Although I have wondered about avatars because some people who used to have them go back the the ESO logo sometimes.
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✭✭✭I wouldn't mind having an ESO+ only section of the forums where only players who subscribe could hang out.Founder and Co-GM of The Psijic Order Guild (NA)
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Aisle9✭✭✭✭✭
✭ilikepickles wrote: »
The laws don't apply, but if you agree with the concept, it does.
Closed internet communities that censor their members as a rule are often just abandoned to die.
So, while it's true that "free speech laws" may not be enforced, the concept of "free speech" is respected, even if just for the sake of surviving.
Unless you live in North Korea, or something...
Just saying
I'm a free speech advocate, but I'm also a supporter of freedom from speech, at least in private homes, clubs and by extension internet communities. The amount of worthless toxic garbage just on these forums suggests the need for stricter controls via heavier moderation.
No we don't.
Go back to page one and read the whole thing again, that's an amazing example of why free speech works.
Someone says something, the idea is challenged, and mocked mercilessly if it doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
Stupid ideas need to be expressed, that way they can be killed, with reason and logic, through debate.
If you censor them, they live under the snow, waiting for the environment to be fertile again.
Freedom from speech is just an echo chamber, or a circle jerk, call it what you want
Edited by Aisle9 on April 12, 2018 10:51AMArtemis Absinthe - DC magicka nightblade (PC - EU)
Gruzosh Barrelsmasher - DC stamina sorcerer (PC - EU)
Kew'bacca - AD stamina nightblade (PC - EU)
Jebediah Orbrynn - DC magicka templar (PC - EU)
Hold-Many-Bags - Mule DK, Promoted to main tank, occasionally stamDD
Olaf Proudstache - Mule - No longer with us Now a Stamwarden healer
Aglieglie Brazorf - AD magicka sorcerer (PC - EU)
Rodolfo Lavandino - DC stamina, greatsword wielding, Jesus beam spamming, Redguard hybrid templar just a stamplar again (PC - EU)
Lemmy Raise Master - EP stamina necromancer (PC - EU)
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LuckyLuke✭✭✭When you look at a forum member’s profile and they have their ‘invited by’ field filled in with a ZOS_% what does that mean?1 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ilikepickles wrote: »
The laws don't apply, but if you agree with the concept, it does.
Closed internet communities that censor their members as a rule are often just abandoned to die.
So, while it's true that "free speech laws" may not be enforced, the concept of "free speech" is respected, even if just for the sake of surviving.
Unless you live in North Korea, or something...
Just saying
I'm a free speech advocate, but I'm also a supporter of freedom from speech, at least in private homes, clubs and by extension internet communities. The amount of worthless toxic garbage just on these forums suggests the need for stricter controls via heavier moderation.
And how would limiting participation to ESO+ members help with that?1 -
kylewwefan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Pay up or shut up. I could see the salt trucks rolling in. Lol
Keeping ESO+ does show an amount of commitment to the game IMO. I’ll keep my sub as long as I keep playing I guess so they can do what they want.0 -
TarrNokk✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »ilikepickles wrote: »
The laws don't apply, but if you agree with the concept, it does.
Closed internet communities that censor their members as a rule are often just abandoned to die.
So, while it's true that "free speech laws" may not be enforced, the concept of "free speech" is respected, even if just for the sake of surviving.
Unless you live in North Korea, or something...
Just saying
I'm a free speech advocate, but I'm also a supporter of freedom from speech, at least in private homes, clubs and by extension internet communities. The amount of worthless toxic garbage just on these forums suggests the need for stricter controls via heavier moderation.
And how would limiting participation to ESO+ members help with that?
Less useless information.0 -
Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
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Agreed, but there are also times when not exhausting people having to debate and debunk everything is good thing.ilikepickles wrote: »
The laws don't apply, but if you agree with the concept, it does.
Closed internet communities that censor their members as a rule are often just abandoned to die.
So, while it's true that "free speech laws" may not be enforced, the concept of "free speech" is respected, even if just for the sake of surviving.
Unless you live in North Korea, or something...
Just saying
I'm a free speech advocate, but I'm also a supporter of freedom from speech, at least in private homes, clubs and by extension internet communities. The amount of worthless toxic garbage just on these forums suggests the need for stricter controls via heavier moderation.
No we don't.
Go back to page one and read the whole thing again, that's an amazing example of why free speech works.
Someone says something, the idea is challenged, and mocked mercilessly if it doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
Stupid ideas need to be expressed, that way they can be killed, with reason and logic, through debate.
If you censor them, they live under the snow, waiting for the environment to be fertile again.
Freedom from speech is just an echo chamber, or a circle jerk, call it what you want
I'm a big fan what what Paradox have done over at their forums. People can debate, critic, rant etc. but if they're on the forums to simply be toxic towards the company and the games they get suspensions and bans.
@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
"Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."1 -
LuckyLuke✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »ilikepickles wrote: »
The laws don't apply, but if you agree with the concept, it does.
Closed internet communities that censor their members as a rule are often just abandoned to die.
So, while it's true that "free speech laws" may not be enforced, the concept of "free speech" is respected, even if just for the sake of surviving.
Unless you live in North Korea, or something...
Just saying
I'm a free speech advocate, but I'm also a supporter of freedom from speech, at least in private homes, clubs and by extension internet communities. The amount of worthless toxic garbage just on these forums suggests the need for stricter controls via heavier moderation.
And how would limiting participation to ESO+ members help with that?
Less useless information.
Like this thread4 -
Eeri_Ravencaw✭✭✭No.
Though I think ESO members should be identified with a + sign with their names.0 -
Aesthier✭✭✭✭✭Here's a thought how about they take away all access to the forums for ESO+ members that way you don't get upset reading them.2 -
Aisle9✭✭✭✭✭
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Agreed, but there are also times when not exhausting people having to debate and debunk everything is good thing.ilikepickles wrote: »
The laws don't apply, but if you agree with the concept, it does.
Closed internet communities that censor their members as a rule are often just abandoned to die.
So, while it's true that "free speech laws" may not be enforced, the concept of "free speech" is respected, even if just for the sake of surviving.
Unless you live in North Korea, or something...
Just saying
I'm a free speech advocate, but I'm also a supporter of freedom from speech, at least in private homes, clubs and by extension internet communities. The amount of worthless toxic garbage just on these forums suggests the need for stricter controls via heavier moderation.
No we don't.
Go back to page one and read the whole thing again, that's an amazing example of why free speech works.
Someone says something, the idea is challenged, and mocked mercilessly if it doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
Stupid ideas need to be expressed, that way they can be killed, with reason and logic, through debate.
If you censor them, they live under the snow, waiting for the environment to be fertile again.
Freedom from speech is just an echo chamber, or a circle jerk, call it what you want
I'm a big fan what what Paradox have done over at their forums. People can debate, critic, rant etc. but if they're on the forums to simply be toxic towards the company and the games they get suspensions and bans.
The cost of freedom is eternal vigilance.
I'd rather debate and debunk everything for days than have someone else decide what the definition of "toxic" is and censor people.
Moderation of topics should always be limited to the ToS and the EULA, which are contracts between the company ad the customer, and even then should never be taken lightly.
We live in a time when disagreeing with someone may be seen as an act of aggression.
I'm sorry, I don't agree with you, but I'll defend your right to say it to the death.
If the discussion is so painful for you that you can't bear it, leave it. Preventing other from having it because you don't like it, that's not ok (not you, you, you as in, generic people).
Edited by Aisle9 on April 12, 2018 11:16AMArtemis Absinthe - DC magicka nightblade (PC - EU)
Gruzosh Barrelsmasher - DC stamina sorcerer (PC - EU)
Kew'bacca - AD stamina nightblade (PC - EU)
Jebediah Orbrynn - DC magicka templar (PC - EU)
Hold-Many-Bags - Mule DK, Promoted to main tank, occasionally stamDD
Olaf Proudstache - Mule - No longer with us Now a Stamwarden healer
Aglieglie Brazorf - AD magicka sorcerer (PC - EU)
Rodolfo Lavandino - DC stamina, greatsword wielding, Jesus beam spamming, Redguard hybrid templar just a stamplar again (PC - EU)
Lemmy Raise Master - EP stamina necromancer (PC - EU)
Scions of Dawn recruitment ad - PC EU multifaction PvE endgame raiding guild
LUI user - I can see you when you fap loot.
#SpellswordArmy
#MakeSpellswordsGreatAgain
In the Game of PuGs you win or you ragequit
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AlnilamE✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »ilikepickles wrote: »
The laws don't apply, but if you agree with the concept, it does.
Closed internet communities that censor their members as a rule are often just abandoned to die.
So, while it's true that "free speech laws" may not be enforced, the concept of "free speech" is respected, even if just for the sake of surviving.
Unless you live in North Korea, or something...
Just saying
I'm a free speech advocate, but I'm also a supporter of freedom from speech, at least in private homes, clubs and by extension internet communities. The amount of worthless toxic garbage just on these forums suggests the need for stricter controls via heavier moderation.
And how would limiting participation to ESO+ members help with that?
Less useless information.
So you are saying you don't have ESO+ and if your idea was implemented we wouldn't have to deal with threads like this?The Moot Councillor1 -
Dragath✭✭✭✭no.
instead, lets make ESO++ for 50 dollar a month.
forum access, double xp, double the loot, triple the entitlement.2 -
Aisle9✭✭✭✭✭
✭Artemis Absinthe - DC magicka nightblade (PC - EU)
Gruzosh Barrelsmasher - DC stamina sorcerer (PC - EU)
Kew'bacca - AD stamina nightblade (PC - EU)
Jebediah Orbrynn - DC magicka templar (PC - EU)
Hold-Many-Bags - Mule DK, Promoted to main tank, occasionally stamDD
Olaf Proudstache - Mule - No longer with us Now a Stamwarden healer
Aglieglie Brazorf - AD magicka sorcerer (PC - EU)
Rodolfo Lavandino - DC stamina, greatsword wielding, Jesus beam spamming, Redguard hybrid templar just a stamplar again (PC - EU)
Lemmy Raise Master - EP stamina necromancer (PC - EU)
Scions of Dawn recruitment ad - PC EU multifaction PvE endgame raiding guild
LUI user - I can see you when you fap loot.
#SpellswordArmy
#MakeSpellswordsGreatAgain
In the Game of PuGs you win or you ragequit
"Dip dip potato chip, dip dip potato chip"3 -
AcadianPaladin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I wouldn't restrict forum (posting) access from non-ESO+ members.
I don't like wading through junk I don't want to read (and screening by section/tread title is not that effective) though so there are some thing I would like to see:
1. Make a 'Whine' section of the forums and have the mods move all whining posts there so they don't clutter things up.
2. Enforce the PvE and PvP sections of the forums. I don't play PvP and wish all PvP posts could be culled into its own section. I imagine PvP players might even appreciate that. After all, PvP and PvE are two completely different games in terms of the things I come here to learn: Skill use, gear, tactics. . . .
Right now, the forum reminds me a bit of game zone chat. While I'd love to see chats like 'Need help at XYZ WB,' there is so much drivel in zone chat I have to disable it.Edited by AcadianPaladin on April 12, 2018 11:29AMPC NA(no Steam), PvE, mostly solo1 -
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✭No.@JamuThatsWho - PC EU - CP2100
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VexingArcanist✭✭✭✭I need me sum elitism.
No. They bought the game same as you. They may even spend MORE on the game via the crown store, than your ESO+ sub. In any event they play the same game and deserve no less a voice.1 -
VyersReaver✭✭Maybe an ESO+ suggestions subforum can have those restrictions, but not the whole thing. I know it's a troll post, but if we are to see reason, why should ZOS listen to those who are like "I am not an active sub, but if I had this and that I'd subscribe right now" with ridiculous demands to boot.0
