The Monsters and Scum of Cyro? I think not.

DaveMoeDee · April 2018

Aisle9 wrote: »

Transairion wrote: »

What I don't understand is why these so-called PVE'ers feel it's necessary to go to Cyrodiil to get event boxes. There's plenty of dailies in PVE areas. If you do your's and then have other players share there's, you can do dailies all day long without going to Cyrodiil.

There's actually only about 25-28 (unique) PvE Dailies in ESO outside of Cryodiil's borders, so without mass quest sharing (hard to get in off-peak hours) it is actually impossible to get to the 50 Daily Quests Cap in pure PvE areas.

I'm sure most people aren't going into Cryodiil towns because they love the tedious PvE dailies under threat of annihilation by any PvP-focused player and having to run across the whole map to get back where they were... no, Cryodiil towns just have a LOT of dailies on offer and they're rather simplistic objectives, just tedious to ride to and from.

Thankfully Australian hours are "offpeak USA" hours, so certain campaigns are quiet and everyone is nice and polite as they go about PvE-ing in peace. But PvE content in PvP areas has always been a source of annoyance is every game I've seen it in. The PvE crowd doesn't want to be bothered during questing, while the PvP crowd just sees easy kills (and thus easy rewards) and neither get along as a result.

.... I am flabbergasted this exists and some people still want "World PvP" servers though... it's the exact same thing but even easier when you can gank the guy who just exited the tutorial. I've never heard of a "World PvP" enabled server in any game that wasn't an abandoned wasteland.

3 Daily (unique) pledges

6 Daily (unique) crafting writs

3 Guilds (unique) dailies

7 Craglorn (unique) dailies

6 Orsinium (unique) overland bosses dailies

6 Orsinium (unique) delves dailies

5 Thieves guild (unique) jobs dailies

1 Thieves (unique) guild daily heist

1 Dark brotherhood (unique) Sacrament

Not sure how many Dark brotherhood contracts you can take, but I used them to level up the skill line. There are 31 unique contracts and I'm fairly sure you can take at least half of them every day.

6 Vvardenfell (unique) bounties

6 Vvardenfell (unique) delves dailies

48 unique PvE dailies so far (not counting 31 unique DB contracts) and I haven't even started with CWC.

(source: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Repeatable_Quests)

BTW Ultima Online has "World PvP" and it's still being played today. It's commonly recognized as one of the most played online multiplayer, before mmo were even a thing (2001).

I'm calling BS.

BS answered, says I'm right.

Have a nice day.

You are missing others like the 4 Gold Coast dailies.

Aisle9 · April 2018

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

Transairion wrote: »

What I don't understand is why these so-called PVE'ers feel it's necessary to go to Cyrodiil to get event boxes. There's plenty of dailies in PVE areas. If you do your's and then have other players share there's, you can do dailies all day long without going to Cyrodiil.

There's actually only about 25-28 (unique) PvE Dailies in ESO outside of Cryodiil's borders, so without mass quest sharing (hard to get in off-peak hours) it is actually impossible to get to the 50 Daily Quests Cap in pure PvE areas.

I'm sure most people aren't going into Cryodiil towns because they love the tedious PvE dailies under threat of annihilation by any PvP-focused player and having to run across the whole map to get back where they were... no, Cryodiil towns just have a LOT of dailies on offer and they're rather simplistic objectives, just tedious to ride to and from.

Thankfully Australian hours are "offpeak USA" hours, so certain campaigns are quiet and everyone is nice and polite as they go about PvE-ing in peace. But PvE content in PvP areas has always been a source of annoyance is every game I've seen it in. The PvE crowd doesn't want to be bothered during questing, while the PvP crowd just sees easy kills (and thus easy rewards) and neither get along as a result.

.... I am flabbergasted this exists and some people still want "World PvP" servers though... it's the exact same thing but even easier when you can gank the guy who just exited the tutorial. I've never heard of a "World PvP" enabled server in any game that wasn't an abandoned wasteland.

3 Daily (unique) pledges

6 Daily (unique) crafting writs

3 Guilds (unique) dailies

7 Craglorn (unique) dailies

6 Orsinium (unique) overland bosses dailies

6 Orsinium (unique) delves dailies

5 Thieves guild (unique) jobs dailies

1 Thieves (unique) guild daily heist

1 Dark brotherhood (unique) Sacrament

Not sure how many Dark brotherhood contracts you can take, but I used them to level up the skill line. There are 31 unique contracts and I'm fairly sure you can take at least half of them every day.

6 Vvardenfell (unique) bounties

6 Vvardenfell (unique) delves dailies

48 unique PvE dailies so far (not counting 31 unique DB contracts) and I haven't even started with CWC.

(source: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Repeatable_Quests)

BTW Ultima Online has "World PvP" and it's still being played today. It's commonly recognized as one of the most played online multiplayer, before mmo were even a thing (2001).

I'm calling BS.

BS answered, says I'm right.

Have a nice day.

You are missing others like the 4 Gold Coast dailies.

I'm missing a bunch, but the point was made already

VaranisArano · April 2018

The repeatable Black Book contracts for DB and Tip Board for TG don't count, just thought I'd mention that for your list. Those are infinite repeatable, just like the Scouting Mission and Capture Keep/Resource quests in Cyrodiil.

Kill Enemy Class/Players is a daily that awards a box, though.

Transairion · April 2018

3 Daily (unique) pledges

6 Daily (unique) crafting writs

3 Guilds (unique) dailies

7 Craglorn (unique) dailies

1 Orsinium (unique) overland bosses dailies (5 shared)

1 Orsinium (unique) delves dailies (5 shared)

5 Thieves guild (unique) jobs dailies (4 shared)

1 Thieves (unique) guild daily heist

1 Dark brotherhood (unique) Sacrament

Not sure how many Dark brotherhood contracts you can take, but I used them to level up the skill line. There are 31 unique contracts and I'm fairly sure you can take at least half of them every day. (Infinitely repeatable quests don't give Anniversary Boxes, so Dark Brotherhood stabby stabs and Thieves Guild swipey swipes don't grant any)

1 Vvardenfell (unique) bounties (5 Shared)

1 Vvardenfell (unique) delves dailies (5 Shared)

There's actually only about 25-28 (unique) PvE Dailies in ESO outside of Cryodiil's borders, so without mass quest sharing (hard to get in off-peak hours) it is actually impossible to get to the 50 Daily Quests Cap in pure PvE areas.

without mass quest sharing

Please ensure to read what you reply to, or else you'll just look silly.

BTW Ultima Online has "World PvP" and it's still being played today. It's commonly recognized as one of the most played online multiplayer, before mmo were even a thing (2001).

I'm calling BS.

BS answered, says I'm right.

Never heard of UO, but SWTOR for one has (or had) World PvP enabled servers with "limited safe zones" just like I've seen requested here... and they were quite empty indeed. Less populated than the RP servers I heard, which as far as I know still remain while all the World PvP servers were shut down and shuffled into an "instance" instead.

It worked pretty similar to Cryodiil does at present, so I wouldn't ignore it entirely.

Aisle9 · April 2018

Transairion wrote: »

3 Daily (unique) pledges

6 Daily (unique) crafting writs

3 Guilds (unique) dailies

7 Craglorn (unique) dailies

1 Orsinium (unique) overland bosses dailies (5 shared)

1 Orsinium (unique) delves dailies (5 shared)

5 Thieves guild (unique) jobs dailies (4 shared)

1 Thieves (unique) guild daily heist

1 Dark brotherhood (unique) Sacrament

Not sure how many Dark brotherhood contracts you can take, but I used them to level up the skill line. There are 31 unique contracts and I'm fairly sure you can take at least half of them every day. (Infinitely repeatable quests don't give Anniversary Boxes, so Dark Brotherhood stabby stabs and Thieves Guild swipey swipes don't grant any)

1 Vvardenfell (unique) bounties (5 Shared)

1 Vvardenfell (unique) delves dailies (5 Shared)

There's actually only about 25-28 (unique) PvE Dailies in ESO outside of Cryodiil's borders, so without mass quest sharing (hard to get in off-peak hours) it is actually impossible to get to the 50 Daily Quests Cap in pure PvE areas.

without mass quest sharing

Please ensure to read what you reply to, or else you'll just look silly.

BTW Ultima Online has "World PvP" and it's still being played today. It's commonly recognized as one of the most played online multiplayer, before mmo were even a thing (2001).

I'm calling BS.

BS answered, says I'm right.

Never heard of UO, but SWTOR for one has (or had) World PvP enabled servers with "limited safe zones" just like I've seen requested here... and they were quite empty indeed. Less populated than the RP servers I heard, which as far as I know still remain while all the World PvP servers were shut down and shuffled into an "instance" instead.

It worked pretty similar to Cryodiil does at present, so I wouldn't ignore it entirely.

Alright

In my rush to answer I skimmed your message and misread a couple things (including the source), so let me set this straight:

3 dungeon pledges daily
3 guilds dailies
6 crafting writs dailies

7 lower craglorn dailies
7 upper craglorn dailies

1 Orsinium bounty daily (without mass sharing)
1 Orsinium delve daily (without mass sharing)

1 Thieve's guild reaquisition job (not the guild jobs)
1 Thieve's guild heist

2 Gold Coast Bounties (1 delve, 1 overland boss)
1 Dark Brotherhood sacrament

4 Vvardenfell dailies (1 bounty, 1 exploration, 1 hunt, 1 relics)
4 CWC dailies (1 bounty, 1 exploration, 1 tarnished, 1 blackfeather court)

41 strictly PvE, unique repeatable dailies.

I left out trials (of which there are 6) that would put the grand total to 47.

I'm dubious is actually impossible to get any other 3 quests shared, even during odd hours, but, ok, it's hard, I'll concede.

Hope this clarifies.
Have a nice day.

Waffennacht · April 2018

Aisle9 wrote: »

Transairion wrote: »

3 Daily (unique) pledges

6 Daily (unique) crafting writs

3 Guilds (unique) dailies

7 Craglorn (unique) dailies

1 Orsinium (unique) overland bosses dailies (5 shared)

1 Orsinium (unique) delves dailies (5 shared)

5 Thieves guild (unique) jobs dailies (4 shared)

1 Thieves (unique) guild daily heist

1 Dark brotherhood (unique) Sacrament

Not sure how many Dark brotherhood contracts you can take, but I used them to level up the skill line. There are 31 unique contracts and I'm fairly sure you can take at least half of them every day. (Infinitely repeatable quests don't give Anniversary Boxes, so Dark Brotherhood stabby stabs and Thieves Guild swipey swipes don't grant any)

1 Vvardenfell (unique) bounties (5 Shared)

1 Vvardenfell (unique) delves dailies (5 Shared)

There's actually only about 25-28 (unique) PvE Dailies in ESO outside of Cryodiil's borders, so without mass quest sharing (hard to get in off-peak hours) it is actually impossible to get to the 50 Daily Quests Cap in pure PvE areas.

without mass quest sharing

Please ensure to read what you reply to, or else you'll just look silly.

BTW Ultima Online has "World PvP" and it's still being played today. It's commonly recognized as one of the most played online multiplayer, before mmo were even a thing (2001).

I'm calling BS.

BS answered, says I'm right.

Never heard of UO, but SWTOR for one has (or had) World PvP enabled servers with "limited safe zones" just like I've seen requested here... and they were quite empty indeed. Less populated than the RP servers I heard, which as far as I know still remain while all the World PvP servers were shut down and shuffled into an "instance" instead.

It worked pretty similar to Cryodiil does at present, so I wouldn't ignore it entirely.

Alright

In my rush to answer I skimmed your message and misread a couple things (including the source), so let me set this straight:

3 dungeon pledges daily
3 guilds dailies
6 crafting writs dailies

7 lower craglorn dailies
7 upper craglorn dailies

1 Orsinium bounty daily (without mass sharing)
1 Orsinium delve daily (without mass sharing)

1 Thieve's guild reaquisition job (not the guild jobs)
1 Thieve's guild heist

2 Gold Coast Bounties (1 delve, 1 overland boss)
1 Dark Brotherhood sacrament

4 Vvardenfell dailies (1 bounty, 1 exploration, 1 hunt, 1 relics)
4 CWC dailies (1 bounty, 1 exploration, 1 tarnished, 1 blackfeather court)

41 strictly PvE, unique repeatable dailies.

I left out trials (of which there are 6) that would put the grand total to 47.

I'm dubious is actually impossible to get any other 3 quests shared, even during odd hours, but, ok, it's hard, I'll concede.

Hope this clarifies.
Have a nice day.

A very large amount of those quests can only be done after doing other non daily requests

ZiRM · April 2018

It must hurt knowing ZOS really doesn't care about PvP but people still spend precious time doing it in ESO.

LioraValkyrie · April 2018

In my opinion, camping a town to pick off pveers isn't particularly noble, but returning again and again to a place where you have been killed before without changing your tactics isn't particularly smart.

Pveers should play the pvpers at their own game: first set up a forward camp near the quest hub, but in a hidden location. Stock up on invisibility pots, slot a hard CC and speed buff, and check the map often for signs of fighting nearby. If someone engages you, hit them with a CC, cast Rapid Maneuvre, then pop an invisibility pot and get to safety. If you do happen to die, you should be able to respawn at your forward camp and return to the quest hub with caution, in sneak.

D0PAMINE · April 2018

Both pve and pvp players complain too much.

AlexTheLion · April 2018

Yeah I’ve never understood why PVE only players complain when they get killed in a PVP zone. I mean look at the name. Stay out if you don’t want to fight something that isn’t a mechanic you can memorize.

Alpheu5 · April 2018

D0PAMINE wrote: »

Both pve and pvp players complain too much.

AFKers are the only ones content with the game smh

Aisle9 · April 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

Transairion wrote: »

3 Daily (unique) pledges

6 Daily (unique) crafting writs

3 Guilds (unique) dailies

7 Craglorn (unique) dailies

1 Orsinium (unique) overland bosses dailies (5 shared)

1 Orsinium (unique) delves dailies (5 shared)

5 Thieves guild (unique) jobs dailies (4 shared)

1 Thieves (unique) guild daily heist

1 Dark brotherhood (unique) Sacrament

Not sure how many Dark brotherhood contracts you can take, but I used them to level up the skill line. There are 31 unique contracts and I'm fairly sure you can take at least half of them every day. (Infinitely repeatable quests don't give Anniversary Boxes, so Dark Brotherhood stabby stabs and Thieves Guild swipey swipes don't grant any)

1 Vvardenfell (unique) bounties (5 Shared)

1 Vvardenfell (unique) delves dailies (5 Shared)

There's actually only about 25-28 (unique) PvE Dailies in ESO outside of Cryodiil's borders, so without mass quest sharing (hard to get in off-peak hours) it is actually impossible to get to the 50 Daily Quests Cap in pure PvE areas.

without mass quest sharing

Please ensure to read what you reply to, or else you'll just look silly.

BTW Ultima Online has "World PvP" and it's still being played today. It's commonly recognized as one of the most played online multiplayer, before mmo were even a thing (2001).

I'm calling BS.

BS answered, says I'm right.

Never heard of UO, but SWTOR for one has (or had) World PvP enabled servers with "limited safe zones" just like I've seen requested here... and they were quite empty indeed. Less populated than the RP servers I heard, which as far as I know still remain while all the World PvP servers were shut down and shuffled into an "instance" instead.

It worked pretty similar to Cryodiil does at present, so I wouldn't ignore it entirely.

Alright

In my rush to answer I skimmed your message and misread a couple things (including the source), so let me set this straight:

3 dungeon pledges daily
3 guilds dailies
6 crafting writs dailies

7 lower craglorn dailies
7 upper craglorn dailies

1 Orsinium bounty daily (without mass sharing)
1 Orsinium delve daily (without mass sharing)

1 Thieve's guild reaquisition job (not the guild jobs)
1 Thieve's guild heist

2 Gold Coast Bounties (1 delve, 1 overland boss)
1 Dark Brotherhood sacrament

4 Vvardenfell dailies (1 bounty, 1 exploration, 1 hunt, 1 relics)
4 CWC dailies (1 bounty, 1 exploration, 1 tarnished, 1 blackfeather court)

41 strictly PvE, unique repeatable dailies.

I left out trials (of which there are 6) that would put the grand total to 47.

I'm dubious is actually impossible to get any other 3 quests shared, even during odd hours, but, ok, it's hard, I'll concede.

Hope this clarifies.
Have a nice day.

A very large amount of those quests can only be done after doing other non daily requests

Yes, and in order to do the pledges you need to reach level 45.

And in order to do the writs you need to grind sp and level up the professions.

And in order to the trials you need a raid.

And in order to do the DLC ones you need the DLC.

Yes, there are requisites, so what ?

In order to do the Cyrodiil ones you need to accept the risk of getting ganked or zerged or just straight up killed.

Back to the original point.

Zagnut123Zagnut123 · April 2018

bongtokin420insd16 wrote: »

All I've been reading from PvE players during this event is the above. Complaining about ganks, kills, ruining their box hunt, etc. Well, i'm here to add a dissenting opinion.

I had not hung out in Cyro for a while until this event. And you know what? I'm remembering why i liked it. Sure, the lag is thick sometimes, but so what? I enjoy watching the chat, looking at the map, studying the tactics being used, and learning how this works again on a grand scale. I learned specing for speed isn't such a waste lol as i've galavanted across the map, learned that not everyone is a jerk, and fed off the thrill of doing quests in an area where im in real danger. Lets face it, PvE content never really makes your blood run cold in fear, so the sensation is nice.

I'm not making excuses for the jerks that are out there ruining times for others, but i am here to say that from this PvE player's perspective (Say that five times fast) that it really hasn't been all bad, and you PvP experts take to much crap for just doing what it is you do. We are in your territory after all and you are there to kill us. You don't hide that fact. I could argue it is the best relationship ive ever had lol becuase the expectations are clear and up front.

Anyway, cheers. Not all of us despise and loathe you entirely. Some of us not even a little bit.

For the most part every one been super respectful of one another allowing free passage to do quests. Yesterday however on pc na in shor a group of ep were locking everyone out of Burma. So i did what any pve would do I complained to my PvP friends and they took care of them allowing ppl to quest again. I explained to the ppl doing this isn't PvP it's just griefing nothing is sporting waiting for poorly skilled pve players in pve gear and taking them by surprise and out numbering them. But this was the only instance this has occurred as it seems most pvpers have respect and a shred of honor.

Diora · April 2018

reposting my standard response:

Every time a PvEer gets angry at being ganked, the trolls win.

Look, i"m a PvEer. i don't have the bag space, the time, the gold, or the desire to make yet ANOTHER set of gear to lug around on the off chance i need a skyshard or a skill from PvP. I find the suggestion to do so laughable.

If you see me on my templar healer wearing my light wormcult, you will attack me, and i will /dance and i'll die in 2 hits.

I will respawn wherever, play the Cyrodiil Riding Simulator minigame back to my quest area, and continue to talk to the questgiver. If you're there, you'll attack me again, and i'll /dance, then die in two hits.

Sometimes you can 1-shot me and I don't have time to /dance. This makes me sad, and you should be sad too, since you won't be able to see my badass dance moves.

If you are a troll, i know this, and i laugh at you for having to rely on killing me for your AP, rather than being skilled enough to go play actual PvP. If you are an honorable, skilled PvPer, you quickly figure out what I am up to, and you stop. Both ways, I win.

Dapper Dinosaur · April 2018

I'm still waiting for an actual legitimate defense for AD in Sotha Xbox NA fighting their way into a quest building and camping it instead of doing something actually productive.

FloppyTouch · April 2018

There was a call for help at Burma today by some pve players saying 7 AD where camping them killing the questers over and over so a group of 24 pvp players came wiped them and chilled there killing anyone that tried to stop them from finishing their quest. PvPers will come and help just call in out in zone chat we want to kill other players.

These towns are becoming very busy and a lot of fun for some cool fights.

Conduit0 · April 2018

Brrrofski wrote: »

It is hilarious when people cry about having to enter PvP when 99% of what pvpers need to PvP is locked behind pve.

The problem with this argument is that a player with a pvp build can still clear all but the highest end pve content with relative ease, while on the other hand a player with a pve build might as well have a giant neon "Free AP" sign over their head when they step into Cyrodil.

FloppyTouch · April 2018

Conduit0 wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

It is hilarious when people cry about having to enter PvP when 99% of what pvpers need to PvP is locked behind pve.

The problem with this argument is that a player with a pvp build can still clear all but the highest end pve content with relative ease, while on the other hand a player with a pve build might as well have a giant neon "Free AP" sign over their head when they step into Cyrodil.

I go into pvp sometimes with my pve character divines and infused traits all dots only thing I have is I put a hard cc on my bar and I still win most fights. It's knowledge they lack and skill not gear

Aisle9 · April 2018

FloppyTouch wrote: »

There was a call for help at Burma today by some pve players saying 7 AD where camping them killing the questers over and over so a group of 24 pvp players came wiped them and chilled there killing anyone that tried to stop them from finishing their quest. PvPers will come and help just call in out in zone chat we want to kill other players.

These towns are becoming very busy and a lot of fun for some cool fights.

They can't, PvP players are evil gankers/griefers, don't you know ?

If they call for help the people from their alliance will kill them too.

Conduit0 wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

It is hilarious when people cry about having to enter PvP when 99% of what pvpers need to PvP is locked behind pve.

The problem with this argument is that a player with a pvp build can still clear all but the highest end pve content with relative ease, while on the other hand a player with a pve build might as well have a giant neon "Free AP" sign over their head when they step into Cyrodil.

Inaccurate.

It's not uncommon in the group finder to find people in eternal hunt spamming reverse slice (random example of a PvP build).

Maybe you meant "top pvp players" which, incidentally, are most likely also experienced in PvE because they had to farm vMA and dungeons for the gear they use in PvP...

Just saying.

shauny.gibbsb16_ESO · April 2018

If I go to a dungeon I expect the mobs to attack me, they are expected to do that, I have entered their domain and have to follow the rules and expectations of that domain. Entering a PvP zone is no different, you can't expect to get ignored and left alone, you can hope but not expect.

Also you don't have to go there, it's a choice, reward Vs risk, I PvP every night but not once done the quests there for anniversary boxes because I don't enjoy that.

I do however avoid going to the quest hubs during this event as I don't find much fun in killing ppl with little effort, but many do and you've entered their domain.

Conduit0 · April 2018

Aisle9 wrote: »

Inaccurate.

It's not uncommon in the group finder to find people in eternal hunt spamming reverse slice (random example of a PvP build).

Maybe you meant "top pvp players" which, incidentally, are most likely also experienced in PvE because they had to farm vMA and dungeons for the gear they use in PvP...

Just saying.

player skill =/= build

krachall · April 2018

Even with teams of gankers camping the quest givers, I'm still able to complete all 10 quests in Chey on all 6 characters every day. Sure, sometimes I have to make that 90 second ride from Ferr but it's still a far faster source of boxes than most other dailies. And, honestly, it kinda breaks up the monotony of the same quests over and over. Gotta sneak in...observe wait for some other canary to turn in a quest...get your turned in fast, and sneak out. It's different!

And I guess I can see the draw for people who have had little success in PVP...kinda like a bad basketball player heading to the local elementary school to own on the 6' rim. I'm sure it helps their egos a bit.

But it's the guys who I see there for 2+ hours I don't get. Must be either REALLY young or wrestling with some major inner issues for that to be rewarding for that long.