The Monsters and Scum of Cyro? I think not.

VaranisArano · April 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

"it's PvP yeah?"

Yeah, so is me taking every node as I follow you around - it's PvE yeah?
Me grabbing your flag in BGs and never scoring making one match take 15 minutes for your 400 point score - it's PvP yeah?
Taking over a single flag but never flipping the town - it's PvP yeah?
You need that weapon? That's 100k it's PvE yeah?

You wanna complain about Nerfs? It's ZoS yeah?

Bottom line is, what goes around comes around and ganking PvE players trying to do an event is low as @#$& I'll make damn sure if we ever run into each other I'll make your life as miserable as possible

When ganking stops being an accepted and expected part of PVP gameplay, you'll have a point.

I've ganked one player, some AD noob so new or so oblivious he didn't know not to stand nose buried in his map outside of BRK. Such a tempting target. I hope he learned from the experience to look at his map on the inside of the keep walls.

But I dont have a problem with PVPers fighting or ganking in PVP towns just because they happen to be filled with PVE questers. I used to be such a PVE player that I went into Cyrodiil only to get my Master Angler fish and guess what? I didnt expect anyone to not gank me while fishing, which happened several times. Its PVP, yeah? I was a fair target in a PVP zone, even while doing something so clearly PVE oriented as fishing.

So in my experience, ganking comes with the PVP territory. When I was a PVE-only player, I accepted it as the price of getting what I want from PVP (just like I accept the node snipers as the price of farming Craglorn or double node events). When I did my Cyrodiil dolmens, skyshards, and town dailies, I accepted that its a PVP zone. Same thing when I did the Imperial City main quest. Its a PVP zone. I will probably meet other players and they will probably try to kill me. If I wanted safety, I should have stayed in PVE.

So you can judge gankers and people who fight in the quest towns all you like. I still dont understand why some PVEers think they should get a "get-out-of -PVP-free" card because of the event, particularly when the quests are quick and easy and balanced specifically because of the risk of meeting enemy players. I never thought that, even when all I wanted was to get my Master Angler fish and get out.

It's not PvP though. Player VS player. You don't fight at all. You jump some low level and kill him.

The reward isn't even there.

You are quite literally ONLY ruining someone else's fun.

You cannot say that 4 seconds of Ambush Ambush Ambush is anything remotely close to PvP.

Either these players are immature, or the sort of person that likes to hurt children and small animals but is too afraid of the police so they do it on a video game rather than real life

Uh, so prepare for gankers? Its PVP.

Stay alert when in ganker territory. Wear impen gear. Be tankier than you would vs PVE npcs. Be prepared to dodge roll and counter the initial burst and after that its an regular 1v1 fight.

I'm not a ganker (well, except for that one guy I sniped down outside of BRK when I was waiting to siege it). I have to deal with gankers. See above for advice.

You keep throwing insults about people who like to gank without explaining why its not a valid playstyle in a PVP zone or why players shouldn't practice some caution, situational awareness, and preparation before heading into a PVP zone. You can't control the enemy. You can control yourself and prepare for battle or you can prepare to fail by failing to prepare.

Again, I used to be a PVE-only player and never felt the need to beg for special exemptions or insult the people who ganked me while fishing. One of them, I actually fought back and killed them, much to my surprise.

DieAlteHexe · April 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

"it's PvP yeah?"

Yeah, so is me taking every node as I follow you around - it's PvE yeah?
Me grabbing your flag in BGs and never scoring making one match take 15 minutes for your 400 point score - it's PvP yeah?
Taking over a single flag but never flipping the town - it's PvP yeah?
You need that weapon? That's 100k it's PvE yeah?

You wanna complain about Nerfs? It's ZoS yeah?

Bottom line is, what goes around comes around and ganking PvE players trying to do an event is low as @#$& I'll make damn sure if we ever run into each other I'll make your life as miserable as possible

When ganking stops being an accepted and expected part of PVP gameplay, you'll have a point.

I've ganked one player, some AD noob so new or so oblivious he didn't know not to stand nose buried in his map outside of BRK. Such a tempting target. I hope he learned from the experience to look at his map on the inside of the keep walls.

But I dont have a problem with PVPers fighting or ganking in PVP towns just because they happen to be filled with PVE questers. I used to be such a PVE player that I went into Cyrodiil only to get my Master Angler fish and guess what? I didnt expect anyone to not gank me while fishing, which happened several times. Its PVP, yeah? I was a fair target in a PVP zone, even while doing something so clearly PVE oriented as fishing.

So in my experience, ganking comes with the PVP territory. When I was a PVE-only player, I accepted it as the price of getting what I want from PVP (just like I accept the node snipers as the price of farming Craglorn or double node events). When I did my Cyrodiil dolmens, skyshards, and town dailies, I accepted that its a PVP zone. Same thing when I did the Imperial City main quest. Its a PVP zone. I will probably meet other players and they will probably try to kill me. If I wanted safety, I should have stayed in PVE.

So you can judge gankers and people who fight in the quest towns all you like. I still dont understand why some PVEers think they should get a "get-out-of -PVP-free" card because of the event, particularly when the quests are quick and easy and balanced specifically because of the risk of meeting enemy players. I never thought that, even when all I wanted was to get my Master Angler fish and get out.

It's not PvP though. Player VS player. You don't fight at all. You jump some low level and kill him.

The reward isn't even there.

You are quite literally ONLY ruining someone else's fun.

You cannot say that 4 seconds of Ambush Ambush Ambush is anything remotely close to PvP.

Either these players are immature, or the sort of person that likes to hurt children and small animals but is too afraid of the police so they do it on a video game rather than real life

Uh, so prepare for gankers? Its PVP.

Stay alert when in ganker territory. Wear impen gear. Be tankier than you would vs PVE npcs. Be prepared to dodge roll and counter the initial burst and after that its an regular 1v1 fight.

I'm not a ganker (well, except for that one guy I sniped down outside of BRK when I was waiting to siege it). I have to deal with gankers. See above for advice.

You keep throwing insults about people who like to gank without explaining why its not a valid playstyle in a PVP zone or why players shouldn't practice some caution, situational awareness, and preparation before heading into a PVP zone. You can't control the enemy. You can control yourself and prepare for battle or you can prepare to fail by failing to prepare.

Again, I used to be a PVE-only player and never felt the need to beg for special exemptions or insult the people who ganked me while fishing. One of them, I actually fought back and killed them, much to my surprise.

Hope that wasn't aimed at me.

I don't believe I've insulted anyone here. I mainly just whinge on about how I'm not best please with Zmax. PvPers will PvP in Cyro.

VaranisArano · April 2018

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

"it's PvP yeah?"

Yeah, so is me taking every node as I follow you around - it's PvE yeah?
Me grabbing your flag in BGs and never scoring making one match take 15 minutes for your 400 point score - it's PvP yeah?
Taking over a single flag but never flipping the town - it's PvP yeah?
You need that weapon? That's 100k it's PvE yeah?

You wanna complain about Nerfs? It's ZoS yeah?

Bottom line is, what goes around comes around and ganking PvE players trying to do an event is low as @#$& I'll make damn sure if we ever run into each other I'll make your life as miserable as possible

When ganking stops being an accepted and expected part of PVP gameplay, you'll have a point.

I've ganked one player, some AD noob so new or so oblivious he didn't know not to stand nose buried in his map outside of BRK. Such a tempting target. I hope he learned from the experience to look at his map on the inside of the keep walls.

But I dont have a problem with PVPers fighting or ganking in PVP towns just because they happen to be filled with PVE questers. I used to be such a PVE player that I went into Cyrodiil only to get my Master Angler fish and guess what? I didnt expect anyone to not gank me while fishing, which happened several times. Its PVP, yeah? I was a fair target in a PVP zone, even while doing something so clearly PVE oriented as fishing.

So in my experience, ganking comes with the PVP territory. When I was a PVE-only player, I accepted it as the price of getting what I want from PVP (just like I accept the node snipers as the price of farming Craglorn or double node events). When I did my Cyrodiil dolmens, skyshards, and town dailies, I accepted that its a PVP zone. Same thing when I did the Imperial City main quest. Its a PVP zone. I will probably meet other players and they will probably try to kill me. If I wanted safety, I should have stayed in PVE.

So you can judge gankers and people who fight in the quest towns all you like. I still dont understand why some PVEers think they should get a "get-out-of -PVP-free" card because of the event, particularly when the quests are quick and easy and balanced specifically because of the risk of meeting enemy players. I never thought that, even when all I wanted was to get my Master Angler fish and get out.

It's not PvP though. Player VS player. You don't fight at all. You jump some low level and kill him.

The reward isn't even there.

You are quite literally ONLY ruining someone else's fun.

You cannot say that 4 seconds of Ambush Ambush Ambush is anything remotely close to PvP.

Either these players are immature, or the sort of person that likes to hurt children and small animals but is too afraid of the police so they do it on a video game rather than real life

Uh, so prepare for gankers? Its PVP.

Stay alert when in ganker territory. Wear impen gear. Be tankier than you would vs PVE npcs. Be prepared to dodge roll and counter the initial burst and after that its an regular 1v1 fight.

I'm not a ganker (well, except for that one guy I sniped down outside of BRK when I was waiting to siege it). I have to deal with gankers. See above for advice.

You keep throwing insults about people who like to gank without explaining why its not a valid playstyle in a PVP zone or why players shouldn't practice some caution, situational awareness, and preparation before heading into a PVP zone. You can't control the enemy. You can control yourself and prepare for battle or you can prepare to fail by failing to prepare.

Again, I used to be a PVE-only player and never felt the need to beg for special exemptions or insult the people who ganked me while fishing. One of them, I actually fought back and killed them, much to my surprise.

Hope that wasn't aimed at me. I don't believe I've insulted anyone here. I mainly just whinge on about how I'm not best please with Zmax. PvPers will PvP in Cyro.

No, not aimed at you

Just pointing out that I see a lot of people who are insulting gankers, and I don't really get that urge myself even though I've been ganked even while PVE fishing.

Good luck with getting your fish!

DieAlteHexe · April 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

"it's PvP yeah?"

Yeah, so is me taking every node as I follow you around - it's PvE yeah?
Me grabbing your flag in BGs and never scoring making one match take 15 minutes for your 400 point score - it's PvP yeah?
Taking over a single flag but never flipping the town - it's PvP yeah?
You need that weapon? That's 100k it's PvE yeah?

You wanna complain about Nerfs? It's ZoS yeah?

Bottom line is, what goes around comes around and ganking PvE players trying to do an event is low as @#$& I'll make damn sure if we ever run into each other I'll make your life as miserable as possible

When ganking stops being an accepted and expected part of PVP gameplay, you'll have a point.

I've ganked one player, some AD noob so new or so oblivious he didn't know not to stand nose buried in his map outside of BRK. Such a tempting target. I hope he learned from the experience to look at his map on the inside of the keep walls.

But I dont have a problem with PVPers fighting or ganking in PVP towns just because they happen to be filled with PVE questers. I used to be such a PVE player that I went into Cyrodiil only to get my Master Angler fish and guess what? I didnt expect anyone to not gank me while fishing, which happened several times. Its PVP, yeah? I was a fair target in a PVP zone, even while doing something so clearly PVE oriented as fishing.

So in my experience, ganking comes with the PVP territory. When I was a PVE-only player, I accepted it as the price of getting what I want from PVP (just like I accept the node snipers as the price of farming Craglorn or double node events). When I did my Cyrodiil dolmens, skyshards, and town dailies, I accepted that its a PVP zone. Same thing when I did the Imperial City main quest. Its a PVP zone. I will probably meet other players and they will probably try to kill me. If I wanted safety, I should have stayed in PVE.

So you can judge gankers and people who fight in the quest towns all you like. I still dont understand why some PVEers think they should get a "get-out-of -PVP-free" card because of the event, particularly when the quests are quick and easy and balanced specifically because of the risk of meeting enemy players. I never thought that, even when all I wanted was to get my Master Angler fish and get out.

It's not PvP though. Player VS player. You don't fight at all. You jump some low level and kill him.

The reward isn't even there.

You are quite literally ONLY ruining someone else's fun.

You cannot say that 4 seconds of Ambush Ambush Ambush is anything remotely close to PvP.

Either these players are immature, or the sort of person that likes to hurt children and small animals but is too afraid of the police so they do it on a video game rather than real life

Uh, so prepare for gankers? Its PVP.

Stay alert when in ganker territory. Wear impen gear. Be tankier than you would vs PVE npcs. Be prepared to dodge roll and counter the initial burst and after that its an regular 1v1 fight.

I'm not a ganker (well, except for that one guy I sniped down outside of BRK when I was waiting to siege it). I have to deal with gankers. See above for advice.

You keep throwing insults about people who like to gank without explaining why its not a valid playstyle in a PVP zone or why players shouldn't practice some caution, situational awareness, and preparation before heading into a PVP zone. You can't control the enemy. You can control yourself and prepare for battle or you can prepare to fail by failing to prepare.

Again, I used to be a PVE-only player and never felt the need to beg for special exemptions or insult the people who ganked me while fishing. One of them, I actually fought back and killed them, much to my surprise.

Hope that wasn't aimed at me. I don't believe I've insulted anyone here. I mainly just whinge on about how I'm not best please with Zmax. PvPers will PvP in Cyro.

No, not aimed at you

Just pointing out that I see a lot of people who are insulting gankers, and I don't really get that urge myself even though I've been ganked even while PVE fishing.

Good luck with getting your fish!

Yaaay! I try to keep it civil.

I get cranky when either side starts slanging away at the other. For goodness sakes we're (mostly) all adults here and should be able to communicate without getting into the forum PvP part. Save it for Cyro.

I'm about ready to give it another go, I just get so frustrated when I'm calmly fishing and all of a sudden FIRE BALL FROM HELL, oh shite, dirt nap. LOL Have to be in the right frame of mind to shake it off. Soon.

Emmagoldman · April 2018

Checkmath wrote: »

i actually would expect some tolerance due that it is an event and a good opportunity to get box rewards from the city quests. but there are guys, who absolutely are *** taking advantage of the situation and farm PvEers like stupid. i mean whats the point in farming them at the quest location? its not really an achievement to do so. nor will you get much AP from it, since there are several guys doing it and the AP you earn will be low, when you kill one player again and again. i cant even consider it fun, there is no challenge at all....
thats why i normally just leave questing guys be in cyrodiil, same with low-level players. it is just not fun to kill them....

I get your frustrated, but thats part of pvp. Pvpers get frustrated all the time but overall its fun.Some players love ganking. Its not the ap, reward, its the hunt. Stalking, selecting a target, coordinating, and hitting at the best moment.

Its also hard to tell who is pve and who is a pvper. Ive been burned more the a handful of times not attacking someone who turns around and attempts to gank or wait for a friend or group. I no longer care about some wthic, when im the one that pays the price.

The boxes are easiset to get through crafting, then pvp. If you know you cant laugh of getting killed or play into the challenge, or play in an organozed group, then you should probably not do it. Writs are still the best method.

Waffennacht · April 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

"it's PvP yeah?"

Yeah, so is me taking every node as I follow you around - it's PvE yeah?
Me grabbing your flag in BGs and never scoring making one match take 15 minutes for your 400 point score - it's PvP yeah?
Taking over a single flag but never flipping the town - it's PvP yeah?
You need that weapon? That's 100k it's PvE yeah?

You wanna complain about Nerfs? It's ZoS yeah?

Bottom line is, what goes around comes around and ganking PvE players trying to do an event is low as @#$& I'll make damn sure if we ever run into each other I'll make your life as miserable as possible

When ganking stops being an accepted and expected part of PVP gameplay, you'll have a point.

I've ganked one player, some AD noob so new or so oblivious he didn't know not to stand nose buried in his map outside of BRK. Such a tempting target. I hope he learned from the experience to look at his map on the inside of the keep walls.

But I dont have a problem with PVPers fighting or ganking in PVP towns just because they happen to be filled with PVE questers. I used to be such a PVE player that I went into Cyrodiil only to get my Master Angler fish and guess what? I didnt expect anyone to not gank me while fishing, which happened several times. Its PVP, yeah? I was a fair target in a PVP zone, even while doing something so clearly PVE oriented as fishing.

So in my experience, ganking comes with the PVP territory. When I was a PVE-only player, I accepted it as the price of getting what I want from PVP (just like I accept the node snipers as the price of farming Craglorn or double node events). When I did my Cyrodiil dolmens, skyshards, and town dailies, I accepted that its a PVP zone. Same thing when I did the Imperial City main quest. Its a PVP zone. I will probably meet other players and they will probably try to kill me. If I wanted safety, I should have stayed in PVE.

So you can judge gankers and people who fight in the quest towns all you like. I still dont understand why some PVEers think they should get a "get-out-of -PVP-free" card because of the event, particularly when the quests are quick and easy and balanced specifically because of the risk of meeting enemy players. I never thought that, even when all I wanted was to get my Master Angler fish and get out.

It's not PvP though. Player VS player. You don't fight at all. You jump some low level and kill him.

The reward isn't even there.

You are quite literally ONLY ruining someone else's fun.

You cannot say that 4 seconds of Ambush Ambush Ambush is anything remotely close to PvP.

Either these players are immature, or the sort of person that likes to hurt children and small animals but is too afraid of the police so they do it on a video game rather than real life

Uh, so prepare for gankers? Its PVP.

Stay alert when in ganker territory. Wear impen gear. Be tankier than you would vs PVE npcs. Be prepared to dodge roll and counter the initial burst and after that its an regular 1v1 fight.

I'm not a ganker (well, except for that one guy I sniped down outside of BRK when I was waiting to siege it). I have to deal with gankers. See above for advice.

You keep throwing insults about people who like to gank without explaining why its not a valid playstyle in a PVP zone or why players shouldn't practice some caution, situational awareness, and preparation before heading into a PVP zone. You can't control the enemy. You can control yourself and prepare for battle or you can prepare to fail by failing to prepare.

Again, I used to be a PVE-only player and never felt the need to beg for special exemptions or insult the people who ganked me while fishing. One of them, I actually fought back and killed them, much to my surprise.

You are completely ignoring the obvious:

1. It's not ganking, you don't need to stealth to kill that CP 40 that's trying to turn in a quest
2. There's 50 blue and 1 yellow, the yellow hasn't attacked anyone - it's pretty obvious wtf he's doing
3. It's an event, I think the 50 AP can wait till after (which is a poor excuse seeing as BGs provide more AP faster)
4. Killing that 1 AD (and I mean 1 in the course of 20 min) makes me seriously doubt the effectiveness of doing that daily (eye roll obviously it's not for dailies)

It's obvious you're pulling the weakest excuses possible to hide the obvious fact the ONLY thing to be gained killing the low PvE er (whom IS ALWAYS OUTNUMBERED) is the sadistic pleasure in causing someone else pain. You are not doing it for the daily (you'd be at a keep or somewhere were there's more than 1/2 enemies every 20 min) You are not doing it for AP (killing the same player over and over again gives little reward)

We know what's going on, stop trying to justify picking on people trying to get their 1/100 worm cult motifs to drop

Aisle9 · April 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

"it's PvP yeah?"

Yeah, so is me taking every node as I follow you around - it's PvE yeah?
Me grabbing your flag in BGs and never scoring making one match take 15 minutes for your 400 point score - it's PvP yeah?
Taking over a single flag but never flipping the town - it's PvP yeah?
You need that weapon? That's 100k it's PvE yeah?

You wanna complain about Nerfs? It's ZoS yeah?

Bottom line is, what goes around comes around and ganking PvE players trying to do an event is low as @#$& I'll make damn sure if we ever run into each other I'll make your life as miserable as possible

When ganking stops being an accepted and expected part of PVP gameplay, you'll have a point.

I've ganked one player, some AD noob so new or so oblivious he didn't know not to stand nose buried in his map outside of BRK. Such a tempting target. I hope he learned from the experience to look at his map on the inside of the keep walls.

But I dont have a problem with PVPers fighting or ganking in PVP towns just because they happen to be filled with PVE questers. I used to be such a PVE player that I went into Cyrodiil only to get my Master Angler fish and guess what? I didnt expect anyone to not gank me while fishing, which happened several times. Its PVP, yeah? I was a fair target in a PVP zone, even while doing something so clearly PVE oriented as fishing.

So in my experience, ganking comes with the PVP territory. When I was a PVE-only player, I accepted it as the price of getting what I want from PVP (just like I accept the node snipers as the price of farming Craglorn or double node events). When I did my Cyrodiil dolmens, skyshards, and town dailies, I accepted that its a PVP zone. Same thing when I did the Imperial City main quest. Its a PVP zone. I will probably meet other players and they will probably try to kill me. If I wanted safety, I should have stayed in PVE.

So you can judge gankers and people who fight in the quest towns all you like. I still dont understand why some PVEers think they should get a "get-out-of -PVP-free" card because of the event, particularly when the quests are quick and easy and balanced specifically because of the risk of meeting enemy players. I never thought that, even when all I wanted was to get my Master Angler fish and get out.

It's not PvP though. Player VS player. You don't fight at all. You jump some low level and kill him.

The reward isn't even there.

You are quite literally ONLY ruining someone else's fun.

You cannot say that 4 seconds of Ambush Ambush Ambush is anything remotely close to PvP.

Either these players are immature, or the sort of person that likes to hurt children and small animals but is too afraid of the police so they do it on a video game rather than real life

Uh, so prepare for gankers? Its PVP.

Stay alert when in ganker territory. Wear impen gear. Be tankier than you would vs PVE npcs. Be prepared to dodge roll and counter the initial burst and after that its an regular 1v1 fight.

I'm not a ganker (well, except for that one guy I sniped down outside of BRK when I was waiting to siege it). I have to deal with gankers. See above for advice.

You keep throwing insults about people who like to gank without explaining why its not a valid playstyle in a PVP zone or why players shouldn't practice some caution, situational awareness, and preparation before heading into a PVP zone. You can't control the enemy. You can control yourself and prepare for battle or you can prepare to fail by failing to prepare.

Again, I used to be a PVE-only player and never felt the need to beg for special exemptions or insult the people who ganked me while fishing. One of them, I actually fought back and killed them, much to my surprise.

You are completely ignoring the obvious:

1. It's not ganking, you don't need to stealth to kill that CP 40 that's trying to turn in a quest
2. There's 50 blue and 1 yellow, the yellow hasn't attacked anyone - it's pretty obvious wtf he's doing
3. It's an event, I think the 50 AP can wait till after (which is a poor excuse seeing as BGs provide more AP faster)
4. Killing that 1 AD (and I mean 1 in the course of 20 min) makes me seriously doubt the effectiveness of doing that daily (eye roll obviously it's not for dailies)

It's obvious you're pulling the weakest excuses possible to hide the obvious fact the ONLY thing to be gained killing the low PvE er (whom IS ALWAYS OUTNUMBERED) is the sadistic pleasure in causing someone else pain. You are not doing it for the daily (you'd be at a keep or somewhere were there's more than 1/2 enemies every 20 min) You are not doing it for AP (killing the same player over and over again gives little reward)

We know what's going on, stop trying to justify picking on people trying to get their 1/100 worm cult motifs to drop

That sounds very specific... do I detect some salt ?

VaranisArano · April 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

"it's PvP yeah?"

Yeah, so is me taking every node as I follow you around - it's PvE yeah?
Me grabbing your flag in BGs and never scoring making one match take 15 minutes for your 400 point score - it's PvP yeah?
Taking over a single flag but never flipping the town - it's PvP yeah?
You need that weapon? That's 100k it's PvE yeah?

You wanna complain about Nerfs? It's ZoS yeah?

Bottom line is, what goes around comes around and ganking PvE players trying to do an event is low as @#$& I'll make damn sure if we ever run into each other I'll make your life as miserable as possible

When ganking stops being an accepted and expected part of PVP gameplay, you'll have a point.

I've ganked one player, some AD noob so new or so oblivious he didn't know not to stand nose buried in his map outside of BRK. Such a tempting target. I hope he learned from the experience to look at his map on the inside of the keep walls.

But I dont have a problem with PVPers fighting or ganking in PVP towns just because they happen to be filled with PVE questers. I used to be such a PVE player that I went into Cyrodiil only to get my Master Angler fish and guess what? I didnt expect anyone to not gank me while fishing, which happened several times. Its PVP, yeah? I was a fair target in a PVP zone, even while doing something so clearly PVE oriented as fishing.

So in my experience, ganking comes with the PVP territory. When I was a PVE-only player, I accepted it as the price of getting what I want from PVP (just like I accept the node snipers as the price of farming Craglorn or double node events). When I did my Cyrodiil dolmens, skyshards, and town dailies, I accepted that its a PVP zone. Same thing when I did the Imperial City main quest. Its a PVP zone. I will probably meet other players and they will probably try to kill me. If I wanted safety, I should have stayed in PVE.

So you can judge gankers and people who fight in the quest towns all you like. I still dont understand why some PVEers think they should get a "get-out-of -PVP-free" card because of the event, particularly when the quests are quick and easy and balanced specifically because of the risk of meeting enemy players. I never thought that, even when all I wanted was to get my Master Angler fish and get out.

It's not PvP though. Player VS player. You don't fight at all. You jump some low level and kill him.

The reward isn't even there.

You are quite literally ONLY ruining someone else's fun.

You cannot say that 4 seconds of Ambush Ambush Ambush is anything remotely close to PvP.

Either these players are immature, or the sort of person that likes to hurt children and small animals but is too afraid of the police so they do it on a video game rather than real life

Uh, so prepare for gankers? Its PVP.

Stay alert when in ganker territory. Wear impen gear. Be tankier than you would vs PVE npcs. Be prepared to dodge roll and counter the initial burst and after that its an regular 1v1 fight.

I'm not a ganker (well, except for that one guy I sniped down outside of BRK when I was waiting to siege it). I have to deal with gankers. See above for advice.

You keep throwing insults about people who like to gank without explaining why its not a valid playstyle in a PVP zone or why players shouldn't practice some caution, situational awareness, and preparation before heading into a PVP zone. You can't control the enemy. You can control yourself and prepare for battle or you can prepare to fail by failing to prepare.

Again, I used to be a PVE-only player and never felt the need to beg for special exemptions or insult the people who ganked me while fishing. One of them, I actually fought back and killed them, much to my surprise.

You are completely ignoring the obvious:

1. It's not ganking, you don't need to stealth to kill that CP 40 that's trying to turn in a quest
2. There's 50 blue and 1 yellow, the yellow hasn't attacked anyone - it's pretty obvious wtf he's doing
3. It's an event, I think the 50 AP can wait till after (which is a poor excuse seeing as BGs provide more AP faster)
4. Killing that 1 AD (and I mean 1 in the course of 20 min) makes me seriously doubt the effectiveness of doing that daily (eye roll obviously it's not for dailies)

It's obvious you're pulling the weakest excuses possible to hide the obvious fact the ONLY thing to be gained killing the low PvE er (whom IS ALWAYS OUTNUMBERED) is the sadistic pleasure in causing someone else pain. You are not doing it for the daily (you'd be at a keep or somewhere were there's more than 1/2 enemies every 20 min) You are not doing it for AP (killing the same player over and over again gives little reward)

We know what's going on, stop trying to justify picking on people trying to get their 1/100 worm cult motifs to drop

I don't think we're talking about the same thing, since you keep telling sad stories about targeting lowbies and I'm talking about fighting and ganking players who are in a PVP town.

We have two very different viewpoints of this situation and I don't see any way that we're going to convince each other. Also, you keep throwing out insults, which is rarely conducive to polite discussion. So I think we're done here.

DHale · April 2018

I get that you can get attacked but I got attacked on a level 25 by the EMP and his friends at Velastrus. You know... 20 of them. Sad and pathetic.

DaveMoeDee · April 2018

I just ran a DC character through the Bruma quests while DC was holding Bruma in Vivec. Kept running into enemy visitors. No one cared. We just ran past one another. They would stealth up at times, but it really would not have mattered.

Waffennacht · April 2018

Aisle9 wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

"it's PvP yeah?"

Yeah, so is me taking every node as I follow you around - it's PvE yeah?
Me grabbing your flag in BGs and never scoring making one match take 15 minutes for your 400 point score - it's PvP yeah?
Taking over a single flag but never flipping the town - it's PvP yeah?
You need that weapon? That's 100k it's PvE yeah?

You wanna complain about Nerfs? It's ZoS yeah?

Bottom line is, what goes around comes around and ganking PvE players trying to do an event is low as @#$& I'll make damn sure if we ever run into each other I'll make your life as miserable as possible

When ganking stops being an accepted and expected part of PVP gameplay, you'll have a point.

I've ganked one player, some AD noob so new or so oblivious he didn't know not to stand nose buried in his map outside of BRK. Such a tempting target. I hope he learned from the experience to look at his map on the inside of the keep walls.

But I dont have a problem with PVPers fighting or ganking in PVP towns just because they happen to be filled with PVE questers. I used to be such a PVE player that I went into Cyrodiil only to get my Master Angler fish and guess what? I didnt expect anyone to not gank me while fishing, which happened several times. Its PVP, yeah? I was a fair target in a PVP zone, even while doing something so clearly PVE oriented as fishing.

So in my experience, ganking comes with the PVP territory. When I was a PVE-only player, I accepted it as the price of getting what I want from PVP (just like I accept the node snipers as the price of farming Craglorn or double node events). When I did my Cyrodiil dolmens, skyshards, and town dailies, I accepted that its a PVP zone. Same thing when I did the Imperial City main quest. Its a PVP zone. I will probably meet other players and they will probably try to kill me. If I wanted safety, I should have stayed in PVE.

So you can judge gankers and people who fight in the quest towns all you like. I still dont understand why some PVEers think they should get a "get-out-of -PVP-free" card because of the event, particularly when the quests are quick and easy and balanced specifically because of the risk of meeting enemy players. I never thought that, even when all I wanted was to get my Master Angler fish and get out.

It's not PvP though. Player VS player. You don't fight at all. You jump some low level and kill him.

The reward isn't even there.

You are quite literally ONLY ruining someone else's fun.

You cannot say that 4 seconds of Ambush Ambush Ambush is anything remotely close to PvP.

Either these players are immature, or the sort of person that likes to hurt children and small animals but is too afraid of the police so they do it on a video game rather than real life

Uh, so prepare for gankers? Its PVP.

Stay alert when in ganker territory. Wear impen gear. Be tankier than you would vs PVE npcs. Be prepared to dodge roll and counter the initial burst and after that its an regular 1v1 fight.

I'm not a ganker (well, except for that one guy I sniped down outside of BRK when I was waiting to siege it). I have to deal with gankers. See above for advice.

You keep throwing insults about people who like to gank without explaining why its not a valid playstyle in a PVP zone or why players shouldn't practice some caution, situational awareness, and preparation before heading into a PVP zone. You can't control the enemy. You can control yourself and prepare for battle or you can prepare to fail by failing to prepare.

Again, I used to be a PVE-only player and never felt the need to beg for special exemptions or insult the people who ganked me while fishing. One of them, I actually fought back and killed them, much to my surprise.

You are completely ignoring the obvious:

1. It's not ganking, you don't need to stealth to kill that CP 40 that's trying to turn in a quest
2. There's 50 blue and 1 yellow, the yellow hasn't attacked anyone - it's pretty obvious wtf he's doing
3. It's an event, I think the 50 AP can wait till after (which is a poor excuse seeing as BGs provide more AP faster)
4. Killing that 1 AD (and I mean 1 in the course of 20 min) makes me seriously doubt the effectiveness of doing that daily (eye roll obviously it's not for dailies)

It's obvious you're pulling the weakest excuses possible to hide the obvious fact the ONLY thing to be gained killing the low PvE er (whom IS ALWAYS OUTNUMBERED) is the sadistic pleasure in causing someone else pain. You are not doing it for the daily (you'd be at a keep or somewhere were there's more than 1/2 enemies every 20 min) You are not doing it for AP (killing the same player over and over again gives little reward)

We know what's going on, stop trying to justify picking on people trying to get their 1/100 worm cult motifs to drop

That sounds very specific... do I detect some salt ?

I can't kill players on my own alliance unfortunately. All I can do is watch jerks ruin other people's fun. It is specific because I see the same thing happen all the time in Cheyndall (sp?)

In Cropsford, where there's a flag, there's actual battles. In the non flag town's you ALWAYS find a couple of NBs (always NBs) that refuse to let players turn in quests. Even after they've died several times.

It's pathetic

DHale wrote: »

I get that you can get attacked but I got attacked on a level 25 by the EMP and his friends at Velastrus. You know... 20 of them. Sad and pathetic.

This, exactly

DaveMoeDee · April 2018

Valkysas154 wrote: »

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Valkysas154 wrote: »

The fact you can even get boxes from these quests should be fixed there not even daily quests there repeatables

They are daily quests. They run out. I think it’s like 9 in Cropsford, 9 in Vlast, 11ish in Bruma

They reset the next day.

But you can still get the same quest over and over thus repeatable daily's . Daily means 1 time only per day
i did all the quests there for the done all quest Achievement so i know for a fact this is true

No you cannot. You can only get each quest once. You are confused.

Perhaps the reason you are confused is that the same questgiver can give 5 different quests the same day. This is different from, for example, the daily quest boards in The Gold Coast where you can only get 1 of the 2 dailies per board. On the other hand, you can still complete all zone dailies by having someone share them. So no real different.

Repeatable dailies are like the ones in the Thieve's Guild job board where you can deliver stuff for the Covetous Countess 20 times in a single day if you want.

bongtokin420insd16 · April 2018

lol I'm sad this thread went this way. It was supposed to be the one positive among all the negative ones, but it turned out the same. Sorry guys was not my intent.

It was 4am and i was leaving work, i should have titled it different i guess lol......

ArchMikem · April 2018

bongtokin420insd16 wrote: »

I enjoy watching the chat

You're either "that guy" to enjoy Cyrodiil chat, or your chat isn't full of racist hate speech concerning one's mother and or sister saddled with threats of Youtube exposure.

Abysswarrior45 · April 2018

You're in a pvp zone. Get over it

Vapirko · April 2018

As a nearly full time PvPer I jsut don’t see the attraction to killing people who are not geared or practiced for PvP. It’s harder to kill NPCs than some players. If they want to initiate combat cool, bring it on. But I’m just not gonna even waste the time otherwise, I need the motif sales to fund the upcoming changes. But I will say the Xv1 quester gankers can go to hell. You’re the lowest of the low and most of you can’t hold your own in a fair fight and that’s pathetic.

Slick_007 · April 2018

Checkmath wrote: »

i mean whats the point in farming them at the quest location?

you mean other than the quest to kill players? and that its a player vs player zone and the whole point of the zone?

Aisle9 · April 2018

Vapirko wrote: »

As a nearly full time PvPer I jsut don’t see the attraction to killing people who are not geared or practiced for PvP. It’s harder to kill NPCs than some players. If they want to initiate combat cool, bring it on. But I’m just not gonna even waste the time otherwise, I need the motif sales to fund the upcoming changes. But I will say the Xv1 quester gankers can go to hell. You’re the lowest of the low and most of you can’t hold your own in a fair fight and that’s pathetic.

What if I was 1vX them ?

The assumption here is that "kill squads" are assembling to kill the lone quester, which is not always the case.

What if there are 8 people doing it, and I (alone), kill them. What happens then, am I still the lowest of the low ?

Also, fun fact, it's more likely that new PvP players will assemble in zergs, then an experienced one, running solo or small scale.

Maybe, just maybe, before jumping to statements like "You're scum" we should try to get some info, make sure we have all the facts straight ?

If you enter a dungeon you don't complain you died because a boss has a mechanic that target a random player, because you didn't join as a tank, and it ruins your fun (well, some people do), that would be idiotic. When you enter a dungeon you take the risk, and you know you may die, so you try not to stand in stupid, and do the mechanics.

If you enter an AvA zone (Alliance vs Alliance) you don't complain that you got killed by another player.

Ganking is not cheating, it's something that happens, it's something that is supposed to happen, and it's something you assume it will happen if you enter an open world AvA zone.

Send them a salty whisper, that's also supposed to happen, and it's part of the fun.

But coming to the forum and start throwing insults around for something that is supposed to happen... maybe rethink your priorities?

Just saying.

But, hey, maybe I'm wrong, maybe when I think "Damn, I got killed, how did I die, how can I prevent that, let me try again, see if I can manage", maybe when I decide I want to find a counter play I'm in the wrong mindset, maybe I should just come to the forums and complain...

Dapper Dinosaur · April 2018

Lets face it, PvE content never really makes your blood run cold in fear,

If you've gone after any single dungeon challenge, you would know this statement to be false. Every time I'm going for no-death challenges, there are constant long stretches of time where I forget to breathe.

bongtokin420insd16 · April 2018

lol i just want to point out i was not calling anyone scum. And a no death run is exhilarating, but tis predictable. PVP IS CHAOS BABY!!!!

@Aisle9 , i haven't bothered to group when doing these quests as its not my intention to kill or be killed though i know its going to happen. I feel like if i grouped up, i would be a much larger threat. Though my solo self is pretty bad ass.... NOT lol..

Aisle9 · April 2018

bongtokin420insd16 wrote: »

lol i just want to point out i was not calling anyone scum. And a no death run is exhilarating, but tis predictable. PVP IS CHAOS BABY!!!!

Aisle9 , i haven't bothered to group when doing these quests as its not my intention to kill or be killed though i know its going to happen. I feel like if i grouped up, i would be a much larger threat. Though my solo self is pretty bad ass.... NOT lol..

You may not be calling people scum, but some people are.

The title "The Monsters and Scum of Cyrodiil" probably didn't help, but maybe I'm wrong about that, who knows xD

bongtokin420insd16 · April 2018

lol ya i already apologized for that. Was trying to be ironic, but SMH on these forums. (Not you, in general)

Cryptical · April 2018

bongtokin420insd16 wrote: »

lol ya i already apologized for that. Was trying to be ironic, but SMH on these forums. (Not you, in general)

You were trying irony, but the true irony is you had a kernel of truth in the original title.

Ever heard the phrase “pick on someone your own size” ?

It’s not all pvp players. It’s not most or half. But there is a slice of the dedicated pvp player population that sees nothing wrong with haunting the pvp noob. And in this thread other dedicated pvp players have named that slice as the lowest of the low, as scum.

If you want to rationalize it away so you can excuse scummy behaviour, that’s your choice.

Aurielle · April 2018

Hippie4927 wrote: »

It is kind of exciting to have to watch your back all the time. PVP does stand for 'player versus player' so I don't know why anyone would go to Cyrodiil and expect NOT to be attacked.

They expect it because they’re entitled. The entitlement goes both ways, unfortunately... I know some PVPers who get their knickers in a knot because they have to grind dungeons for gear/Undaunted.

It really helps when you enjoy PVE and PVP.

Hippie4927 · April 2018

Aurielle wrote: »

Hippie4927 wrote: »

It is kind of exciting to have to watch your back all the time. PVP does stand for 'player versus player' so I don't know why anyone would go to Cyrodiil and expect NOT to be attacked.

They expect it because they’re entitled. The entitlement goes both ways, unfortunately... I know some PVPers who get their knickers in a knot because they have to grind dungeons for gear/Undaunted.

It really helps when you enjoy PVE and PVP.

That would be me.........I enjoy both. I'm not very good at PVP but I go and I learn and I have fun. Sure I die a lot but when I win a fight, I get all excited! lol

What I don't understand is why these so-called PVE'ers feel it's necessary to go to Cyrodiil to get event boxes. There's plenty of dailies in PVE areas. If you do your's and then have other players share there's, you can do dailies all day long without going to Cyrodiil. As a fellow (mainly) PVE'er, my opinion is.......if you go to Cyrodiil for event boxes and get killed......suck it up and stop whining!

Aurielle · April 2018

Hippie4927 wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Hippie4927 wrote: »

It is kind of exciting to have to watch your back all the time. PVP does stand for 'player versus player' so I don't know why anyone would go to Cyrodiil and expect NOT to be attacked.

They expect it because they’re entitled. The entitlement goes both ways, unfortunately... I know some PVPers who get their knickers in a knot because they have to grind dungeons for gear/Undaunted.

It really helps when you enjoy PVE and PVP.

That would be me.........I enjoy both. I'm not very good at PVP but I go and I learn and I have fun. Sure I die a lot but when I win a fight, I get all excited! lol

What I don't understand is why these so-called PVE'ers feel it's necessary to go to Cyrodiil to get event boxes. There's plenty of dailies in PVE areas. If you do your's and then have other players share there's, you can do dailies all day long without going to Cyrodiil. As a fellow (mainly) PVE'er, my opinion is.......if you go to Cyrodiil for event boxes and get killed......suck it up and stop whining!

Agreed. The main problem here is that some self-entitled PVEers think that quests of ANY kind are their exclusive content. They cannot understand why there are “PVE” objectives in Cyrodiil. They think that those quests are their quests, and that they’re entitled to complete them without being killed. Daily quests are easy, so PVE-only players are attracted to them during the anniversary event for the quick and easy reward. What they don’t seem to get (or are unwilling to acknowledge) is that there are lulls in AvA action at certain times of the day. Completing quests in Cyrodiil during downtime increases your odds of running into another player so you can do what you’re there to do: PVP. Also, many players don’t like zerging. How do you avoid the zergs so you can 1v1 or XvX in peace? Well, one way to do that is to avoid keeps and hang around in quest areas...

Mureel · April 2018

bongtokin420insd16 wrote: »

All I've been reading from PvE players during this event is the above. Complaining about ganks, kills, ruining their box hunt, etc. Well, i'm here to add a dissenting opinion.

I had not hung out in Cyro for a while until this event. And you know what? I'm remembering why i liked it. Sure, the lag is thick sometimes, but so what? I enjoy watching the chat, looking at the map, studying the tactics being used, and learning how this works again on a grand scale. I learned specing for speed isn't such a waste lol as i've galavanted across the map, learned that not everyone is a jerk, and fed off the thrill of doing quests in an area where im in real danger. Lets face it, PvE content never really makes your blood run cold in fear, so the sensation is nice.

I'm not making excuses for the jerks that are out there ruining times for others, but i am here to say that from this PvE player's perspective (Say that five times fast) that it really hasn't been all bad, and you PvP experts take to much crap for just doing what it is you do. We are in your territory after all and you are there to kill us. You don't hide that fact. I could argue it is the best relationship ive ever had lol becuase the expectations are clear and up front.

Anyway, cheers. Not all of us despise and loathe you entirely. Some of us not even a little bit.

All well and good but tbh, your opinion is not actually dissenting.

Also, you're not in real danger, because if you die you lose nothing but some horse ride time, if that.

This is why IDK why people get so bent if they die there. The quests are short and easy so it's no great hardship at all.

Transairion · April 2018

What I don't understand is why these so-called PVE'ers feel it's necessary to go to Cyrodiil to get event boxes. There's plenty of dailies in PVE areas. If you do your's and then have other players share there's, you can do dailies all day long without going to Cyrodiil.

There's actually only about 25-28 (unique) PvE Dailies in ESO outside of Cryodiil's borders, so without mass quest sharing (hard to get in off-peak hours) it is actually impossible to get to the 50 Daily Quests Cap in pure PvE areas.

I'm sure most people aren't going into Cryodiil towns because they love the tedious PvE dailies under threat of annihilation by any PvP-focused player and having to run across the whole map to get back where they were... no, Cryodiil towns just have a LOT of dailies on offer and they're rather simplistic objectives, just tedious to ride to and from.

Thankfully Australian hours are "offpeak USA" hours, so certain campaigns are quiet and everyone is nice and polite as they go about PvE-ing in peace. But PvE content in PvP areas has always been a source of annoyance is every game I've seen it in. The PvE crowd doesn't want to be bothered during questing, while the PvP crowd just sees easy kills (and thus easy rewards) and neither get along as a result.

.... I am flabbergasted this exists and some people still want "World PvP" servers though... it's the exact same thing but even easier when you can gank the guy who just exited the tutorial. I've never heard of a "World PvP" enabled server in any game that wasn't an abandoned wasteland.

Aisle9 · April 2018

Transairion wrote: »

What I don't understand is why these so-called PVE'ers feel it's necessary to go to Cyrodiil to get event boxes. There's plenty of dailies in PVE areas. If you do your's and then have other players share there's, you can do dailies all day long without going to Cyrodiil.

There's actually only about 25-28 (unique) PvE Dailies in ESO outside of Cryodiil's borders, so without mass quest sharing (hard to get in off-peak hours) it is actually impossible to get to the 50 Daily Quests Cap in pure PvE areas.

I'm sure most people aren't going into Cryodiil towns because they love the tedious PvE dailies under threat of annihilation by any PvP-focused player and having to run across the whole map to get back where they were... no, Cryodiil towns just have a LOT of dailies on offer and they're rather simplistic objectives, just tedious to ride to and from.

Thankfully Australian hours are "offpeak USA" hours, so certain campaigns are quiet and everyone is nice and polite as they go about PvE-ing in peace. But PvE content in PvP areas has always been a source of annoyance is every game I've seen it in. The PvE crowd doesn't want to be bothered during questing, while the PvP crowd just sees easy kills (and thus easy rewards) and neither get along as a result.

.... I am flabbergasted this exists and some people still want "World PvP" servers though... it's the exact same thing but even easier when you can gank the guy who just exited the tutorial. I've never heard of a "World PvP" enabled server in any game that wasn't an abandoned wasteland.

3 Daily (unique) pledges

6 Daily (unique) crafting writs

3 Guilds (unique) dailies

7 Craglorn (unique) dailies

6 Orsinium (unique) overland bosses dailies

6 Orsinium (unique) delves dailies

5 Thieves guild (unique) jobs dailies

1 Thieves (unique) guild daily heist

1 Dark brotherhood (unique) Sacrament

Not sure how many Dark brotherhood contracts you can take, but I used them to level up the skill line. There are 31 unique contracts and I'm fairly sure you can take at least half of them every day.

6 Vvardenfell (unique) bounties

6 Vvardenfell (unique) delves dailies

48 unique PvE dailies so far (not counting 31 unique DB contracts) and I haven't even started with CWC.

(source: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Repeatable_Quests)

BTW Ultima Online has "World PvP" and it's still being played today. It's commonly recognized as one of the most played online multiplayer, before mmo were even a thing (2001).

I'm calling BS.

BS answered, says I'm right.

Have a nice day.

Mic1007 · April 2018

I don't mind being ganked or whatever. Just let me turn in the quest before killing me, would you?

And if you are going to gank, make sure to actually gear up for it. I've killed a few "gankers" in towns that thought they had an easy target, only to find out they didn't one-shot me, allowing me to heal up and dodge roll away and then kill them. And this is in my PvE Stam DPS gear.

Or those DK tanks that think that endlessly blocking on top of the flag is actually doing something to scare me. I just ignore them and keep questing. And what do you know, they don't even chase me. I wonder why?

One general thing I have noticed: The PvPers that camp these towns are usually not really good at PvP.