Is this another post where the word self responsibility has been ignored completely?

I've just spent the time I usually spend in Pledges and such doing dailies. I don't go to sleep any later than usual.

The "pressure" is self inflicted.

You need to learn self control. It's a game. You lose NOTHING if you don't get all the boxes each and every day.
You lose NOTHING if you don't get all pages of the worm cult motif.

ESO is a game, not a job with a short deadline.

I just log in, do about 10 dailies, maybe do a few quests or dungeons, then log back out again. Never spending more than a couple of hours.

If you feel like it is causing an impact in your life and/or health, you need to seriously think about what is more important to you. Maybe take a break for a bit, or try and limit yourself to only a few hours in the evening.

I get what you are saying, but I just can't take these things that serious anymore. I love this game. I have been playing since it dropped on PS4. I stopped for over a year and came back a few months ago and have loved it. One reason I stopped is because the game felt like a full time job with SO MUCH TO DO. The fact that you can get these drops like motifs and what not is an incentive but it shouldn't make you feel pressured to do ALL OF THEM EVERY SINGLE DAY. I still only have 5 toons. I might create another tonight just to get a few more motifs in.

Here is the thing though...this game is four years old. It is going to go for another few years at least. There will be plenty of time to get the things you want/need. You don't have to complete the game in a two week window. Just look at it as an opportunity to get ahead a bit. I play for about 10 hours a week since I came back. The thing that drove me away was trying (and miserably failing) to keep up with a lot of people that grind nonstop. I cannot nor will not ever break my brain trying to get every nook and cranny in this game.

Play when you want and if you have an opportunity to get a little more then go for it. But you don't need to worry about keeping up with the Jones'.

^ huh?? Everythings addictive to people susceptible to it from fitness to sugar to sport to TV to alcohol.

Should it ALL change to suit those individuals? No.

This is a game, no one needs all the motif pages and half don't even want them. Those that do its in a collector way the majority of the time and if they are suspect to addiction or anxiety over it they shouldn't be playing an MMO. Again, they need to take responsibility for it.

I'm sorry but this type of event is great. Do i want to make a million yes, do i want all the goodies I can get, yes. Did i go out of my way to farm more boxes in this event? NO.

I enjoyed the bonus as just that.

MAN this is like the people sueing fast food giants because their products made then fat lol

Just do your 3-6 writs per toon and any dungeons on your favourite character. I’m rolling in Worm. Maybe 3 pieces left? And no fatigue whatsoever.

If play PC you're living in the Eastern Emisphere at least ZoS takes care of you serendipitously by allowing you 3-4 hours of rest every day, often in multiple installments, due to server crashes

While I don't feel the same pressure to get as much done as humanly possible during the event, I suppose I can understand why some people do. I guess one solution would be to limit the number of dailies you can get event rewards for, to something like 6-12 per character, and then scale the reward drop rates accordingly.

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Nobody forces you to do them to exhaustion and there's already anecdotal evidence the drop rate decreases the more boxes you open per character or even account. Also you don't need to collect all motifs yourself. By the end of the event, by running just a reasonable amount of writs and dailies (ex. it takes me ~50 minutes to run 6 x 10 writs) you could have collected more than half of Worm Cult motifs by the end of the event, and made enough gold, directly or indirectly (ex. other motifs you can sell) to buy what you are missing. I think they've actually made a reasonable choice by making the motif rare, compared to Hollowjack that was almost degraded to vendor trash during that event (I vendored hundreds of it doing the 1st edition because motif pages didn't stack back then).

Anecdotal evidence isn't really evidence at all for something like this. And a decreasing drop rate is definitely not my experience.

Edit: On a related note, just got the following on my 8th character to do 6 writs today (with another doing a bunch of Bruma quests right after servers reset):

From 6 boxes:
Minotaur Staves
Akaviri Axes
Mazzatun Gloves
Worm Cult Chests

I am not trying to absolve myself of any personal responsibility.

I get that we all need to practice self control. I have a job to keep and that is obviously more important.

If you are drawing parallels with things like fast food, cigarettes and alcohol and such then there are two sides. Yes people need to practice self control. On the other hand an organisation is making money from things knowing full well they have a product which is addictive.

The Wormcult motif doesn't matter in the scheme of things. Neither does the achievements or the many crown store items. The "Limited time only" thing is used over and over because it is known psychologically that something seems more desirable if it is only available for a limited period.

For anyone with any kind of OCD it is known that having something be incomplete is going to bug them. Just the same as a crooked picture. Does it matter if the picture is crooked? No. Consciously this is clear but OCD type impulses are not logical.
It ceases to be really about the value of the motif and just be some thing that is incomplete and you want to be complete to satisfy the part of your brain bothered by incompleteness.

I am not saying that ZOS is fully responsible. People are going to get addicted and do things to excess regardless.

I am saying that ZOS could help with this issue. They have whole teams of people to look into planning these events. For any event I expect that there are a list of things to complete: achievements and collectables.

ZOS would know as much about game mechanics as anyone. It would make sense they can project how much time it would take to complete everything for the event. ZOS sets the duration of the event. ZOS controls the drop rates.

There are two main results:

1) Have an event with plenty of time to collect everything while playing maybe a healthy couple of hours a day or so. People complete the collectables and achievements etc. Once done they could farm more if they choose or just go enjoy the rest of the game with the benefit of an XP bonus etc. No stressing out, no frustration.

2) Constrain the time or drop rates or both so the only way the average player could complete everything is by putting in disproportionate amounts of time to complete everything. Players get frustrated. The closer the end of the event gets there may be more and more push to finish. Players have a strong push to put in a lot more time than they really want. They may end the event without completing everything they wanted to leaving them frustrated. They may achieve everything at the expense of compromises in their real life. Some may just drop out of being involved in the event in frustration.

So yes people have responsibility for themselves and need to have self control. On the other hand if ZOS deliberately or knowingly runs events knowing the only way to complete them would require disproportionate amounts of time is questionable and at least somewhat irresponsible. Not to mention, what is the real point? Does it cost ZOS anything to have an event run longer or increase a drop rate. These items are not physical commodities that cost money to produce. They are not even items sold in the game or requiring ESO+ or anything. Even just having some reassurance of something being available another way after the event takes some pressure off.