No...I won't 1v1 you in Cyro, and you shouldn't expect me to

technohic · April 2018

The_Brosteen wrote: »

When I am 3v1'd it's zerging, when I 3v1 its small manning.

That's the mentality of alot of "1vXers".

Sometimes I approach the small groups of these players just to see if they even try to let a 1v1 happen in open cyrodiil. One would assume that those priding themselves in not zerging would have the situational awareness of the fact they have the numerical advantage and prove their skill level by not utilizing it.

It happens on xbox quite often but is almost never the case on PC NA. On pc everyone uses their full manpower.

Zerging is a mentality. Focusing one person at a time in a 3v2 situation is the embodiment of that mentality. You can farm resources with your small man grouo and 3v1 all day then run around the tower when 5 enemy players show up but that doesn't change one simple truth:

Everyone is a dirty little zergling

This is very true. I did have one time, someone allowed me to clear out NPCs to fight. Very rare individual

Celestial_Rift · April 2018

MetalHead4x4 wrote: »

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3 on 1 is a lot to ask of any player.

One day 3 of vet level on my new mag sorc (first time playing the class), and still in my first week of playing her, I won a 1v3... Sounds like a L2P issue and maybe small scaling would support your game play. I know it has definitely helped with mine, and I know in the next 3 weeks as I finish my first month on mag sorc, I'll be even better. I don't teabag and maybe that's what the trigger is for the whole scenario.

Consent is key, folks.

*Continues to share healing wards with Thogard*

DeadlyRecluse · April 2018

technohic wrote: »

This is very true. I did have one time, someone allowed me to clear out NPCs to fight. Very rare individual

I have also had this happen just one time. The person who allowed this to happen (let me clear NPCs AND didn't add in while I 1v1ed a friend of his who was at the resource as well) is one of the dynamic duo illuminated in this thread.

And the thing is, if they had ganged me down quick with NPCs, they would have had a much better chance against the zerg that did eventually show up to that resource after the 1v1 we had going took long enough to generate crossed swords. I wouldn't have minded at all, would have been completely fair.

I don't always see eye-to-eye with this individual--and I don't expect anyone else to show that level of courtesy, I certainly don't--but it makes this thread extra funny, as I'm willing to vouch they walk the walk in terms of taking individual fights seriously and respectfully, at least as far as I've seen.

Subversus · April 2018

NA drama

montiferus · April 2018

The_Brosteen wrote: »

When I am 3v1'd it's zerging, when I 3v1 its small manning.

That's the mentality of alot of "1vXers".

This is true especially on Xbox. A lot of the "small scale groups" love to chase people down when they have the numbers. I see it all the time. In their minds they think they are small scaling when in reality they are just zerging too. There is an Xbox streamer who complains all the time about zergs yet will have no issue going 4v1 or 5v2 versus pugs as they go from bleakers to chalman. Gotta love the hypocrisy.

I mean is there that big of a difference between a 4v1 versus a 10v4? I mean in reality the 4 in the 10v4 have a MUCH better chance of survival versus the 1 in the 4v1.

ToRelax · April 2018

The_Brosteen wrote: »

When I am 3v1'd it's zerging, when I 3v1 its small manning.

That's the mentality of alot of "1vXers".

Sometimes I approach the small groups of these players just to see if they even try to let a 1v1 happen in open cyrodiil. One would assume that those priding themselves in not zerging would have the situational awareness of the fact they have the numerical advantage and prove their skill level by not utilizing it.

It happens on xbox quite often but is almost never the case on PC NA. On pc everyone uses their full manpower.

Zerging is a mentality. Focusing one person at a time in a 3v2 situation is the embodiment of that mentality. You can farm resources with your small man grouo and 3v1 all day then run around the tower when 5 enemy players show up but that doesn't change one simple truth:

Everyone is a dirty little zergling

Depends whether I have reason to assume that player will try to zerg me down at every opportunity regardless of what I do.

Drachenfier · April 2018

I don't know who or what, I just saw a stamwarden talking smack and immediately lol'd my way out.

So...LOL

Rohamad_Ali · April 2018

But a 1v1 is a L2P experience . Even if loosing you get more respect for abandoning the Zerg . Free pvp lesson . To each there own I suppose .

technohic · April 2018

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

But a 1v1 is a L2P experience . Even if loosing you get more respect for abandoning the Zerg . Free pvp lesson . To each there own I suppose .

I’m a slow learner.

Then some times class doesn’t go as planned and I then become happy to come Zerg the next enemy down.

ZOS_MattL · April 2018

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Thogard · April 2018

The_Brosteen wrote: »

When I am 3v1'd it's zerging, when I 3v1 its small manning.

That's the mentality of alot of "1vXers".

Sometimes I approach the small groups of these players just to see if they even try to let a 1v1 happen in open cyrodiil. One would assume that those priding themselves in not zerging would have the situational awareness of the fact they have the numerical advantage and prove their skill level by not utilizing it.

It happens on xbox quite often but is almost never the case on PC NA. On pc everyone uses their full manpower.

Zerging is a mentality. Focusing one person at a time in a 3v2 situation is the embodiment of that mentality. You can farm resources with your small man grouo and 3v1 all day then run around the tower when 5 enemy players show up but that doesn't change one simple truth:

Everyone is a dirty little zergling

PC respect for solos has less to do with the numbers and more to do with who the soloer is. If my small man recognizes the player or the guild tabard as one that won’t join in the dog pile on us when we’re getting zeroed then we won’t zerg them. If it’s someone that does zerg, we will get them.

For instance, if we come across the person OP is complaining about, we won’t zerg him down because we know he won’t wait until we are fighting and then try to focus our healer. But if we run into someone with a play style like the one OP is advocating, we will aggressively attack.

A zerg is not a group. A zerg is a collection of soloers trying to work together. Winning against zergs usually involves playing the soloers against each other, for example, none of them want to be the next to die, so once you draw first blood you can charge them and make them run even if they could beat you by being organized enough to hold their ground. Players that are constantly in this type of unit have very predictable behavior, and one aspect of that behavior is that they’ll wait until we’re fighting and then “add” onto the fight. This is why we kill them ASAP.

Any time I’ve killed someone and gotten a message that said something along the lines of “hey I’m just soloing and won’t add onto your fights” I will tell people not to kill that person anymore.

Inside the walls of a keep there are no exceptions though. It’s just too chaotic and FPS is too low to tell who I’m attacking most of the time

rimmidimdim · April 2018

Sixty5 wrote: »

What you do is reply "sure I will 1v1 you, come to X"

And then have your three buddies stealth up, so the moment he arrives you gank him, and then top it off with a liberal application of /sweep

All is fair in love and war, and Cyrodil is war.

Hahahahahah, God the hate tells after that lol.

Casul · April 2018

What if all this is fake and they purposefully collected all this proof so they could have a big controversial topic on the forums.

Rohamad_Ali · April 2018

technohic wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

But a 1v1 is a L2P experience . Even if loosing you get more respect for abandoning the Zerg . Free pvp lesson . To each there own I suppose .

I’m a slow learner.

Then some times class doesn’t go as planned and I then become happy to come Zerg the next enemy down.

Practice makes perfect and as long as the challenger is respectful and not just out to "expose" a player , this can be a fun way to break up the monotony of pvp and be making new friends and acquaintances . The best solo players that challenge also offer a little advice if you lose as a form of respect for not just zerging the map all night and having a willingness to respect their play style occasionally too .

Torbschka · April 2018

This is cool drama , is this EU or NA drama?

Joshlenoir · April 2018

Drachenfier wrote: »

I don't know who or what, I just saw a stamwarden talking smack and immediately lol'd my way out.

So...LOL

Nothing tastes better than "ree you're a warden" tears. Thank you.

VarisVaris · April 2018

This thread on a Friday Night ...Popcorn

kadar · April 2018

Torbschka wrote: »

This is cool drama , is this EU or NA drama?

NA. It's mostly from 1 particular campaign as far as I can tell.

usmcjdking · April 2018

First off, it depends on location.

If you are potatoing down a common lane shared by the zerg horde then yes, you will get Xv1'd or zerged because that's why I afk autorun from Bleakers to Chalman mine and why everyone else does as well. I don't expect any different in return.

You/your group are directly preventing the zerg horde from advancing on the other zerg horde which could have campaign score consequences. The primary issue with this is that said group more often than not will participate in the siege and taking of an objective. At that point you are less an autonomous group of your representative faction, and more like the early vanguard of the zerg. In the event it turns into a trifaction fight it's FFA at that point.

Other than that I typically personally won't jump into a fight unless it's interesting, and interesting to me is if I feel that the enemy team has a solid chance at winning. For instance, if @Thogard or @Joshlenoir have groups running and they are already clearly overwhelmed, I'd rather not just feast on easily earned AP. If they are however, dumpstering my faction mates I will absolutely jump in and go HAM until total victory or agonizing defeat. I also don't typically rez if I think that my faction has a distinct advantage to begin with. Kills should mean something in a good group v group fight. More often than not I fail spectacularily, but there are times I play a key part in a victory.

Koensol · April 2018

Joshlenoir wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

1vXers who go looking for outnumbered fights and then get salty when they can’t handle the X are so full of ***. I don’t get angry if I go looking for outnumbered fighting and then die, that’s *** dumb. You’re out there to push your limits. Typically I’m not gonna join in if I see someone being out numbered out on the map somewhere (i.e. they’re not taking a crucial point on the map or engaging in siege), but if I see three or four good players fighting a ragtag group of five or six pugs/noobs, I’m prob gonna jump in cause it’s not even close to a fair fight to begin with. Most of the real solo players are pretty cool people. There’s just a handful of people around who can’t handle their *** when they lose, because they need to be smashing hordes of pugs or life isn’t worth living or something. A coordinated, com linked group of four is easily worth double the number of your average, uncoordinated pvper. So when these groups get bitchy because you’re not attacking them with exactly the same numbers they have it’s just kind of bs. The only time I ever challenge someone to 1v1 is if they tbag after outnumbering me.

Are you talking about me? lol
I don't think I belong to that category.
But I'll reiterate my original point:
I don't care about dying or getting attacked by superior numbers, I have much more fun killing even groups of 4 that are organized in a 4v4 than I do 4v8ing random low cp unorganized pugs. The issue is when you're getting outnumbered by the pugs AND the organized groups, then they are surprised when you tbag them- or they blame you winning on an "OP WARDEN BUILD"- Or cheat engine lmao.

Lol, don't act like your tbagging isn't a sign of complaining or releasing frustration. Because it is, and we all know it, because we have all done it. If you would truly accept the odds of 1vx'ing, you wouldn't actually feel the need to constantly bag people. In this particular situation I don't blame you though. Cost poisons are the purest form of cancer and everyone who uses them deserves to be bagged in my opinion.

MetalHead4x4 · April 2018

Koensol wrote: »

Joshlenoir wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

1vXers who go looking for outnumbered fights and then get salty when they can’t handle the X are so full of ***. I don’t get angry if I go looking for outnumbered fighting and then die, that’s *** dumb. You’re out there to push your limits. Typically I’m not gonna join in if I see someone being out numbered out on the map somewhere (i.e. they’re not taking a crucial point on the map or engaging in siege), but if I see three or four good players fighting a ragtag group of five or six pugs/noobs, I’m prob gonna jump in cause it’s not even close to a fair fight to begin with. Most of the real solo players are pretty cool people. There’s just a handful of people around who can’t handle their *** when they lose, because they need to be smashing hordes of pugs or life isn’t worth living or something. A coordinated, com linked group of four is easily worth double the number of your average, uncoordinated pvper. So when these groups get bitchy because you’re not attacking them with exactly the same numbers they have it’s just kind of bs. The only time I ever challenge someone to 1v1 is if they tbag after outnumbering me.

Are you talking about me? lol
I don't think I belong to that category.
But I'll reiterate my original point:
I don't care about dying or getting attacked by superior numbers, I have much more fun killing even groups of 4 that are organized in a 4v4 than I do 4v8ing random low cp unorganized pugs. The issue is when you're getting outnumbered by the pugs AND the organized groups, then they are surprised when you tbag them- or they blame you winning on an "OP WARDEN BUILD"- Or cheat engine lmao.

Lol, don't act like your tbagging isn't a sign of complaining or releasing frustration. Because it is, and we all know it, because we have all done it. If you would truly accept the odds of 1vx'ing, you wouldn't actually feel the need to constantly bag people. In this particular situation I don't blame you though. Cost poisons are the purest form of cancer and everyone who uses them deserves to be bagged in my opinion.

Except everyone is using them and to be competitive you are forced to use them too. Especially against stam builds that can endlessly dodge roll. Even with double cost poisons I can rarely take down any stam class.

Joshlenoir · April 2018

MetalHead4x4 wrote: »

Koensol wrote: »

Joshlenoir wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

1vXers who go looking for outnumbered fights and then get salty when they can’t handle the X are so full of ***. I don’t get angry if I go looking for outnumbered fighting and then die, that’s *** dumb. You’re out there to push your limits. Typically I’m not gonna join in if I see someone being out numbered out on the map somewhere (i.e. they’re not taking a crucial point on the map or engaging in siege), but if I see three or four good players fighting a ragtag group of five or six pugs/noobs, I’m prob gonna jump in cause it’s not even close to a fair fight to begin with. Most of the real solo players are pretty cool people. There’s just a handful of people around who can’t handle their *** when they lose, because they need to be smashing hordes of pugs or life isn’t worth living or something. A coordinated, com linked group of four is easily worth double the number of your average, uncoordinated pvper. So when these groups get bitchy because you’re not attacking them with exactly the same numbers they have it’s just kind of bs. The only time I ever challenge someone to 1v1 is if they tbag after outnumbering me.

Are you talking about me? lol
I don't think I belong to that category.
But I'll reiterate my original point:
I don't care about dying or getting attacked by superior numbers, I have much more fun killing even groups of 4 that are organized in a 4v4 than I do 4v8ing random low cp unorganized pugs. The issue is when you're getting outnumbered by the pugs AND the organized groups, then they are surprised when you tbag them- or they blame you winning on an "OP WARDEN BUILD"- Or cheat engine lmao.

Lol, don't act like your tbagging isn't a sign of complaining or releasing frustration. Because it is, and we all know it, because we have all done it. If you would truly accept the odds of 1vx'ing, you wouldn't actually feel the need to constantly bag people. In this particular situation I don't blame you though. Cost poisons are the purest form of cancer and everyone who uses them deserves to be bagged in my opinion.

Except everyone is using them and to be competitive you are forced to use them too. Especially against stam builds that can endlessly dodge roll. Even with double cost poisons I can rarely take down any stam class.

"You're forced to use cost increase poisons to be competitive"
"Even with double cost increase I can rarely take down Stam classes"

No offense, but it just sounds like you're complaining about not being able to kill certain players and avoiding every opportunity to admit that it's an L2Play issue. Cost poisons are a cheap way of sapping an opponent's resources to kill them, what's even more sad is you use these while Xv1ing people. If you were a solo or small group player and you used them because you're constantly outnumbered and overwhelmed I'd understand. But you're not.

Koensol wrote: »

Joshlenoir wrote: »

Vapirko wrote: »

1vXers who go looking for outnumbered fights and then get salty when they can’t handle the X are so full of ***. I don’t get angry if I go looking for outnumbered fighting and then die, that’s *** dumb. You’re out there to push your limits. Typically I’m not gonna join in if I see someone being out numbered out on the map somewhere (i.e. they’re not taking a crucial point on the map or engaging in siege), but if I see three or four good players fighting a ragtag group of five or six pugs/noobs, I’m prob gonna jump in cause it’s not even close to a fair fight to begin with. Most of the real solo players are pretty cool people. There’s just a handful of people around who can’t handle their *** when they lose, because they need to be smashing hordes of pugs or life isn’t worth living or something. A coordinated, com linked group of four is easily worth double the number of your average, uncoordinated pvper. So when these groups get bitchy because you’re not attacking them with exactly the same numbers they have it’s just kind of bs. The only time I ever challenge someone to 1v1 is if they tbag after outnumbering me.

Are you talking about me? lol
I don't think I belong to that category.
But I'll reiterate my original point:
I don't care about dying or getting attacked by superior numbers, I have much more fun killing even groups of 4 that are organized in a 4v4 than I do 4v8ing random low cp unorganized pugs. The issue is when you're getting outnumbered by the pugs AND the organized groups, then they are surprised when you tbag them- or they blame you winning on an "OP WARDEN BUILD"- Or cheat engine lmao.

Lol, don't act like your tbagging isn't a sign of complaining or releasing frustration. Because it is, and we all know it, because we have all done it. If you would truly accept the odds of 1vx'ing, you wouldn't actually feel the need to constantly bag people. In this particular situation I don't blame you though. Cost poisons are the purest form of cancer and everyone who uses them deserves to be bagged in my opinion.

Honestly, it isn't. If you ever watch my streams I get mildly frustrated from dying but I usually laugh it off. Tbagging is just a funny way of getting under people's skin that chase you across the map and are extremely thirsty for one kill. The other way of getting under their skin is 1vxing them, or both.

MetalHead4x4 · April 2018

Less of a L2P issue more of an obvious Stam class dominance in PvP.

Pelican · April 2018

I apologize if I have Xv1'd anyone with no valid reason but just want everyone to know, everyone has the right to Xv1, they just have their reputation at stake when they do so, and risk getting 1vX'd, its their choice.

Dreth · April 2018

Who cares lol