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Knowledge wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Stop making excuses, seriously, 1080 is way WAY overkill for this game, you should not need a super computer to play the game and not be constantly kicked off.

This is on their end 100% in recent times. Their servers and datacenters CANNOT handle the stress of these events, and it is shameful that they have not upgraded them.

I rarely get kicked off and the very, very few times that I do I would just attribute to 'acceptable disconnects". We're talking one every few hundred hours if not more of actually being logged in.

So what about the last 2 weeks where people are constantly getting booted on the EU servers? I guess -everyones- routers are the problem? Come on, seriously?

That was a very localized and one time issue that is going to be rectified, I'm sure. it's only impacting EU at the moment.

Its not a one time thing. It happens -every- event when a lot of people log on. It hasnt been rectified, not once. They just wait for everyone to log off, restart the servers, and hope for the best. They need to upgrade, their is no ifs and buts about it.

I do think you're going a little overboard here. Even some of the most popular MMORPGs have issues. Network technology isn't flawless. Even World of Warcraft has issues like these. I'm sure they will rectify this with future updates.

Look at what ZOS_BrianWheeler said is coming!

Server Performance: Several requirements that were part of ability passives have been converted to server side encoded checks, which will cut down on requirements ran per ability use.

Client Performance: We have increased the amount of cpu cores used by the client which should improve framerate for players on mid to high end CPU's on PC platforms. On consoles and PC we have improved how characters are composited resulting in faster character loads and less framerate spikes.

Source

Ill believe it when I actually see it. This has happened every event in recent , or even not so recent history. Peak hits, server bombs out, maint, repeat. Not to mention the numerous times zos has said they made performance updates which didnt do bull plop.

I just haven't experienced any of these issues you're talking about.

Take it from the fingers to the keyboard of those that actually have what you ironically chose as handle... No server is perfect and they can indeed be, entirely on their own, the source of lag.

Yes, but not everyone is lagging.

Knowledge wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

@Knowledge just out of curiosity, what exactly do you think the CPU does? I know that you mistakenly believe it to be responsible for data transfer between your client and the game server, but you don’t think it does anything else?

You seem to be implying that a CPU isn’t needed for single-player games that don’t connect to the internet.

I'd prefer if you responded to the developer's statement you said " is akin to someone claiming to be a doctor saying the reason you feel depressed is because the feel good butterflies in your head had a spell cast on them by a witch. "

I'm trying to get in touch with him but I'd like to see how you respond to that before we move further.

So you're not going to address the glaring mistakes he's pointed out in your own logic? Don't be that person.

You need to learn just like everyone else. There's nothing wrong with being wrong so long as you own up to it and learn.

If your CPU is incapable as more and more load is put on it, it will begin to slow down.

If you sound out gullible slow enough, when adding this context to your original post, it sounds like oranges.

Do you disagree that the CPU plays a role in your game performance?

Do you think that the CPU is the only thing that affects performance?

No, that's why I listed internet connection speed, cpu, gpu, among other things in my original post. Please read it and you will know what I believe impacts performance on our end. This does not mean I am saying performance hindrances cannot happen on the server side but there are people playing on less than adequate computes that are complaining about Zenimax.

Zenimax isn't at fault if you're expecting smooth gameplay with integrated graphics and an inadequate CPU.

I did read it. I read it and LOLed when Thogard corrected you- several times. Please read the complaints fully and actually figure out if it's 'graphical lag' or 'latency' before posting another blatantly misinformed thread. Thanks.

Also, your 'dev response' is from 2012 and is an extremely watered down synopsis on how this stuff works. When are we getting a response from your 'developer friend'?

Thogard was just stating incorrect or altered information. When I posted an actual developer comment on this matter he insulted it thinking it was my own. It is very apparent that Thogard was only looking to impress people with false data.

So you're calling it fake news now. My god, I wish there was an LOL button.

No, I am just saying people should actually consider the information they are attacking before assuming it won't be proven or that someone with a specific degree and extensive history in a field won't counter it with actual facts. Matso is a senior developer and former systems architect. He has coded engines from the ground up.

EDIT: I believe he deserves more respect than: " I knew that you weren’t familiar with how these systems work, but I didn’t realize how spectacularly wrong you are. Reading your most recent post is akin to someone claiming to be a doctor saying the reason you feel depressed is because the feel good butterflies in your head had a spell cast on them by a witch. " "

You made this thread. Not the NS2 dev. You made these erroneous assumptions, not the dev. You advised people, ignorantly, to waste their income on snake oil. Not the dev. You brought the dev, someone fsr too busy running an actual game of hes still on the team, into a discussion that doesnt fit the context of said discussion. You are now trying to get this person to back you up on some no name forum.

You were wrong, you got called out on it.
Be an adult and accept responsibility, before thus entire thread gets gutted over something pointless like hurt feelings.

Matso's statement was literally attacked by someone claiming to know more than what was stated. I literally copy and pasted his statement on this matter and Thogard attacked it saying it was like a witch casting a spell and someone pretending to be a doctor. I'm not sure how this translates to me getting called out when 90% of what I posted was the dev.

Further, how are so many people coming into this thread stating they have good performance? It can't all be a conspiracy or that they are all lying.

You are citing anecdote as fact, when anecdote inherently has flaws that are not conducive to proper, logical discourse and application. You have to worry about things like bias, or just plain ignorance, tainting your "evidence".

What Thogard has posted has been empirically proven and widely documented. Cut your losses and learn some humility. I promise it doesn't hurt.

I was hoping someone would say this. Since you have said it was widely documented I now encourage you to provide links to reputable sources that will prove that what he said is true and accurate. Show me the documentation.

Address your own debunked assertions in your original posts first. Burden of proof is on you.

We're not playing this game where you get to make wild assumptions and statements without backing them up, and ignoring dissenting information while attacking others with impunity. Until you prove your own assertions in your original post, you have no credibility.

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

@Knowledge just out of curiosity, what exactly do you think the CPU does? I know that you mistakenly believe it to be responsible for data transfer between your client and the game server, but you don’t think it does anything else?

You seem to be implying that a CPU isn’t needed for single-player games that don’t connect to the internet.

I'd prefer if you responded to the developer's statement you said " is akin to someone claiming to be a doctor saying the reason you feel depressed is because the feel good butterflies in your head had a spell cast on them by a witch. "

I'm trying to get in touch with him but I'd like to see how you respond to that before we move further.

So you're not going to address the glaring mistakes he's pointed out in your own logic? Don't be that person.

You need to learn just like everyone else. There's nothing wrong with being wrong so long as you own up to it and learn.

If your CPU is incapable as more and more load is put on it, it will begin to slow down.

If you sound out gullible slow enough, when adding this context to your original post, it sounds like oranges.

Do you disagree that the CPU plays a role in your game performance?

Do you think that the CPU is the only thing that affects performance?

No, that's why I listed internet connection speed, cpu, gpu, among other things in my original post. Please read it and you will know what I believe impacts performance on our end. This does not mean I am saying performance hindrances cannot happen on the server side but there are people playing on less than adequate computes that are complaining about Zenimax.

Zenimax isn't at fault if you're expecting smooth gameplay with integrated graphics and an inadequate CPU.

I did read it. I read it and LOLed when Thogard corrected you- several times. Please read the complaints fully and actually figure out if it's 'graphical lag' or 'latency' before posting another blatantly misinformed thread. Thanks.

Also, your 'dev response' is from 2012 and is an extremely watered down synopsis on how this stuff works. When are we getting a response from your 'developer friend'?

Thogard was just stating incorrect or altered information. When I posted an actual developer comment on this matter he insulted it thinking it was my own. It is very apparent that Thogard was only looking to impress people with false data.

So you're calling it fake news now. My god, I wish there was an LOL button.

No, I am just saying people should actually consider the information they are attacking before assuming it won't be proven or that someone with a specific degree and extensive history in a field won't counter it with actual facts. Matso is a senior developer and former systems architect. He has coded engines from the ground up.

EDIT: I believe he deserves more respect than: " I knew that you weren’t familiar with how these systems work, but I didn’t realize how spectacularly wrong you are. Reading your most recent post is akin to someone claiming to be a doctor saying the reason you feel depressed is because the feel good butterflies in your head had a spell cast on them by a witch. " "

You made this thread. Not the NS2 dev. You made these erroneous assumptions, not the dev. You advised people, ignorantly, to waste their income on snake oil. Not the dev. You brought the dev, someone fsr too busy running an actual game of hes still on the team, into a discussion that doesnt fit the context of said discussion. You are now trying to get this person to back you up on some no name forum.

You were wrong, you got called out on it.
Be an adult and accept responsibility, before thus entire thread gets gutted over something pointless like hurt feelings.

Matso's statement was literally attacked by someone claiming to know more than what was stated. I literally copy and pasted his statement on this matter and Thogard attacked it saying it was like a witch casting a spell and someone pretending to be a doctor. I'm not sure how this translates to me getting called out when 90% of what I posted was the dev.

Further, how are so many people coming into this thread stating they have good performance? It can't all be a conspiracy or that they are all lying.

You are citing anecdote as fact, when anecdote inherently has flaws that are not conducive to proper, logical discourse and application. You have to worry about things like bias, or just plain ignorance, tainting your "evidence".

What Thogard has posted has been empirically proven and widely documented. Cut your losses and learn some humility. I promise it doesn't hurt.

I was hoping someone would say this. Since you have said it was widely documented I now encourage you to provide links to reputable sources that will prove that what he said is true and accurate. Show me the documentation.

Address your own debunked assertions in your original posts first. Burden of proof is on you.

I've cited a developer and multiple users have chimed in stating they don't have lag. One with a Broadwell-E (6800K) and another with a Coffee Lake(8700k).

Can you provide one link to prove this widely documented empirically proven information?

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Stop making excuses, seriously, 1080 is way WAY overkill for this game, you should not need a super computer to play the game and not be constantly kicked off.

This is on their end 100% in recent times. Their servers and datacenters CANNOT handle the stress of these events, and it is shameful that they have not upgraded them.

I rarely get kicked off and the very, very few times that I do I would just attribute to 'acceptable disconnects". We're talking one every few hundred hours if not more of actually being logged in.

So what about the last 2 weeks where people are constantly getting booted on the EU servers? I guess -everyones- routers are the problem? Come on, seriously?

Every update performance gets worse.
Every event performance is out the window and the server becomes completely unstable.

This is a ZoS issue, not a user issue, in most cases.

I really feel for you guys in the EU servers. And the Oceanics that go through both NA and EU. That's honestly where I found the best documentation on latency and performance. You guys documented just about everything for issues I was having.

Its funny, cuz ppl are like

" ITS YOUR ROUTER "

I dont have a router, havent had one for quite some time. Straight into the wall it is.

" ITS YOUR TECH "

What does that have to do with the connection

" ITS NOT THE SERVERS AND ITS RARE "

Yet it happens consistantly every event during peak. So I guess every time is rare now a days?

Pretty much. It's why I rarely want to log in on patch day anymore because it's getting to the point where "Wait a week for them to hotfix ______." Because usually either it's something so broken that it makes certain classes unplayable (when One Tamriel came out, I couldn't play my NB at all because Impale sounded like a constant sawblade in my ear), or the latency is so bad- I just log in, do my writs, and log out.

But really, it's our tech. It's all the consumer's problem 100% of the time. xDDDD

Would you mind sharing your computer specifications and connection speed?

Not with your attitude and shady forum practices.

I'd like to be your friend and help you.

If you don't know where to find the information about your hardware I can assist.

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

@Knowledge just out of curiosity, what exactly do you think the CPU does? I know that you mistakenly believe it to be responsible for data transfer between your client and the game server, but you don’t think it does anything else?

You seem to be implying that a CPU isn’t needed for single-player games that don’t connect to the internet.

I'd prefer if you responded to the developer's statement you said " is akin to someone claiming to be a doctor saying the reason you feel depressed is because the feel good butterflies in your head had a spell cast on them by a witch. "

I'm trying to get in touch with him but I'd like to see how you respond to that before we move further.

So you're not going to address the glaring mistakes he's pointed out in your own logic? Don't be that person.

You need to learn just like everyone else. There's nothing wrong with being wrong so long as you own up to it and learn.

If your CPU is incapable as more and more load is put on it, it will begin to slow down.

If you sound out gullible slow enough, when adding this context to your original post, it sounds like oranges.

Do you disagree that the CPU plays a role in your game performance?

Do you think that the CPU is the only thing that affects performance?

No, that's why I listed internet connection speed, cpu, gpu, among other things in my original post. Please read it and you will know what I believe impacts performance on our end. This does not mean I am saying performance hindrances cannot happen on the server side but there are people playing on less than adequate computes that are complaining about Zenimax.

Zenimax isn't at fault if you're expecting smooth gameplay with integrated graphics and an inadequate CPU.

I did read it. I read it and LOLed when Thogard corrected you- several times. Please read the complaints fully and actually figure out if it's 'graphical lag' or 'latency' before posting another blatantly misinformed thread. Thanks.

Also, your 'dev response' is from 2012 and is an extremely watered down synopsis on how this stuff works. When are we getting a response from your 'developer friend'?

Thogard was just stating incorrect or altered information. When I posted an actual developer comment on this matter he insulted it thinking it was my own. It is very apparent that Thogard was only looking to impress people with false data.

So you're calling it fake news now. My god, I wish there was an LOL button.

No, I am just saying people should actually consider the information they are attacking before assuming it won't be proven or that someone with a specific degree and extensive history in a field won't counter it with actual facts. Matso is a senior developer and former systems architect. He has coded engines from the ground up.

EDIT: I believe he deserves more respect than: " I knew that you weren’t familiar with how these systems work, but I didn’t realize how spectacularly wrong you are. Reading your most recent post is akin to someone claiming to be a doctor saying the reason you feel depressed is because the feel good butterflies in your head had a spell cast on them by a witch. " "

You made this thread. Not the NS2 dev. You made these erroneous assumptions, not the dev. You advised people, ignorantly, to waste their income on snake oil. Not the dev. You brought the dev, someone fsr too busy running an actual game of hes still on the team, into a discussion that doesnt fit the context of said discussion. You are now trying to get this person to back you up on some no name forum.

You were wrong, you got called out on it.
Be an adult and accept responsibility, before thus entire thread gets gutted over something pointless like hurt feelings.

Matso's statement was literally attacked by someone claiming to know more than what was stated. I literally copy and pasted his statement on this matter and Thogard attacked it saying it was like a witch casting a spell and someone pretending to be a doctor. I'm not sure how this translates to me getting called out when 90% of what I posted was the dev.

Further, how are so many people coming into this thread stating they have good performance? It can't all be a conspiracy or that they are all lying.

You are citing anecdote as fact, when anecdote inherently has flaws that are not conducive to proper, logical discourse and application. You have to worry about things like bias, or just plain ignorance, tainting your "evidence".

What Thogard has posted has been empirically proven and widely documented. Cut your losses and learn some humility. I promise it doesn't hurt.

I was hoping someone would say this. Since you have said it was widely documented I now encourage you to provide links to reputable sources that will prove that what he said is true and accurate. Show me the documentation.

Address your own debunked assertions in your original posts first. Burden of proof is on you.

I've cited a developer and multiple users have chimed in stating they don't have lag. One with a Broadwell-E (6800K) and another with a Coffee Lake(8700k).

Can you provide one link to prove this widely documented empirically proven information?

Google is your friend.

I have googled it and I am finding differing information. Some I linked from NVIDIA's website, another from a developer, and one from Badosoft: https://www.badosoft.com/knowledgebase/cpu-lag.php

Knowledge wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

@Knowledge just out of curiosity, what exactly do you think the CPU does? I know that you mistakenly believe it to be responsible for data transfer between your client and the game server, but you don’t think it does anything else?

You seem to be implying that a CPU isn’t needed for single-player games that don’t connect to the internet.

I'd prefer if you responded to the developer's statement you said " is akin to someone claiming to be a doctor saying the reason you feel depressed is because the feel good butterflies in your head had a spell cast on them by a witch. "

I'm trying to get in touch with him but I'd like to see how you respond to that before we move further.

So you're not going to address the glaring mistakes he's pointed out in your own logic? Don't be that person.

You need to learn just like everyone else. There's nothing wrong with being wrong so long as you own up to it and learn.

If your CPU is incapable as more and more load is put on it, it will begin to slow down.

If you sound out gullible slow enough, when adding this context to your original post, it sounds like oranges.

Do you disagree that the CPU plays a role in your game performance?

Do you think that the CPU is the only thing that affects performance?

No, that's why I listed internet connection speed, cpu, gpu, among other things in my original post. Please read it and you will know what I believe impacts performance on our end. This does not mean I am saying performance hindrances cannot happen on the server side but there are people playing on less than adequate computes that are complaining about Zenimax.

Zenimax isn't at fault if you're expecting smooth gameplay with integrated graphics and an inadequate CPU.

I did read it. I read it and LOLed when Thogard corrected you- several times. Please read the complaints fully and actually figure out if it's 'graphical lag' or 'latency' before posting another blatantly misinformed thread. Thanks.

Also, your 'dev response' is from 2012 and is an extremely watered down synopsis on how this stuff works. When are we getting a response from your 'developer friend'?

Thogard was just stating incorrect or altered information. When I posted an actual developer comment on this matter he insulted it thinking it was my own. It is very apparent that Thogard was only looking to impress people with false data.

So you're calling it fake news now. My god, I wish there was an LOL button.

No, I am just saying people should actually consider the information they are attacking before assuming it won't be proven or that someone with a specific degree and extensive history in a field won't counter it with actual facts. Matso is a senior developer and former systems architect. He has coded engines from the ground up.

EDIT: I believe he deserves more respect than: " I knew that you weren’t familiar with how these systems work, but I didn’t realize how spectacularly wrong you are. Reading your most recent post is akin to someone claiming to be a doctor saying the reason you feel depressed is because the feel good butterflies in your head had a spell cast on them by a witch. " "

You made this thread. Not the NS2 dev. You made these erroneous assumptions, not the dev. You advised people, ignorantly, to waste their income on snake oil. Not the dev. You brought the dev, someone fsr too busy running an actual game of hes still on the team, into a discussion that doesnt fit the context of said discussion. You are now trying to get this person to back you up on some no name forum.

You were wrong, you got called out on it.
Be an adult and accept responsibility, before thus entire thread gets gutted over something pointless like hurt feelings.

Matso's statement was literally attacked by someone claiming to know more than what was stated. I literally copy and pasted his statement on this matter and Thogard attacked it saying it was like a witch casting a spell and someone pretending to be a doctor. I'm not sure how this translates to me getting called out when 90% of what I posted was the dev.

Further, how are so many people coming into this thread stating they have good performance? It can't all be a conspiracy or that they are all lying.

You are citing anecdote as fact, when anecdote inherently has flaws that are not conducive to proper, logical discourse and application. You have to worry about things like bias, or just plain ignorance, tainting your "evidence".

What Thogard has posted has been empirically proven and widely documented. Cut your losses and learn some humility. I promise it doesn't hurt.

I was hoping someone would say this. Since you have said it was widely documented I now encourage you to provide links to reputable sources that will prove that what he said is true and accurate. Show me the documentation.

Address your own debunked assertions in your original posts first. Burden of proof is on you.

I've cited a developer and multiple users have chimed in stating they don't have lag. One with a Broadwell-E (6800K) and another with a Coffee Lake(8700k).

Can you provide one link to prove this widely documented empirically proven information?

You plagiarized one developer's comments and took them out of context, hoping the technical babble would look sophisticated enough to persuade most readers not to look into or verify it. Try again.

Knowledge wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Stop making excuses, seriously, 1080 is way WAY overkill for this game, you should not need a super computer to play the game and not be constantly kicked off.

This is on their end 100% in recent times. Their servers and datacenters CANNOT handle the stress of these events, and it is shameful that they have not upgraded them.

I rarely get kicked off and the very, very few times that I do I would just attribute to 'acceptable disconnects". We're talking one every few hundred hours if not more of actually being logged in.

So what about the last 2 weeks where people are constantly getting booted on the EU servers? I guess -everyones- routers are the problem? Come on, seriously?

Every update performance gets worse.
Every event performance is out the window and the server becomes completely unstable.

This is a ZoS issue, not a user issue, in most cases.

I really feel for you guys in the EU servers. And the Oceanics that go through both NA and EU. That's honestly where I found the best documentation on latency and performance. You guys documented just about everything for issues I was having.

Its funny, cuz ppl are like

" ITS YOUR ROUTER "

I dont have a router, havent had one for quite some time. Straight into the wall it is.

" ITS YOUR TECH "

What does that have to do with the connection

" ITS NOT THE SERVERS AND ITS RARE "

Yet it happens consistantly every event during peak. So I guess every time is rare now a days?

Pretty much. It's why I rarely want to log in on patch day anymore because it's getting to the point where "Wait a week for them to hotfix ______." Because usually either it's something so broken that it makes certain classes unplayable (when One Tamriel came out, I couldn't play my NB at all because Impale sounded like a constant sawblade in my ear), or the latency is so bad- I just log in, do my writs, and log out.

But really, it's our tech. It's all the consumer's problem 100% of the time. xDDDD

Would you mind sharing your computer specifications and connection speed?

Not with your attitude and shady forum practices.

I'd like to be your friend and help you.

If you don't know where to find the information about your hardware I can assist.

1) My issues are mostly sorted out. I don't need you to hold my hand. I deal with troubleshooting all the time and I do it in my job.

2) As for friends, no. I find you too disingenuous in your forum ethics to even remotely walk over that bridge.

Why CPU lag happens?
a.) Hardware issues
b.) Temperature issue
c.) Wrong CPU settings (BIOS)
d.) Overclocked CPU
e) CPU not compatible with the game
f.) Wrong or old CPU driver
g.) Virus or malware infection
h.) Too many running apps or processes
i.) CPU is not meeting the System Requirements
j.) MMO battles with more than 10 participates can increase the CPU usage. Mega battles with more than 50 participates increase the CPU usage immensely! Heavy populated places of Interest, Towns and similar increase the CPU usage as well.

How to fix CPU lag

Solution A
- Open the task manager to get an overview of all running apps and services that consume CPU power. Sort the list by CPU usage and troubleshoot trough it. Stop apps and services that are not essential to keep your OS up.

Solution B
- Restart the game and/or restart the computer or laptop

Solution C
- Adjust the in-game settings accordingly. Try to apply the lowest settings possible and see if the issues still persists. Slightly increase the settings until lag starts again.

Solution D
- Update to the newest CPU driver or roll-back to the previous version if the lag starts after a new update

Solution E
- Check the temperature of your CPU. Google for apps that can assist you with this task.

Solution F
- If your CPU has temperature issues and is not overclocked, it is most likely that the cooling liquid on the CPU has dried out or the cooling fan is broken or lost power. Sometimes the issue can be solved by adding an external cooling device and/or renew the cooling liquid.

Solution G
- Run virus- and malware scanners to check if your system is infected. Viruses and malware can cause your CPU to be at 99% usage.

Solution H
- Check if the PSU provides the necessary voltage for your CPU. Google for apps that can assist you with this tasks.

Solution I
- Try to overclock your CPU if this solution is supported by your BIOS. Be aware that you need to have basic knowledge about overclocking. Warning: There is always the possibility to damage your CPU permanently. Solution J Try to set priorities for specific processes in your system. Be aware that you need specific knowledge to do so. You can alternatively use tools that includes a process manager and/or process optimizer.

Solution K
- Double check if your CPU is supported by the system requirements.

https://www.badosoft.com/knowledgebase/cpu-lag.php

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Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

@Knowledge just out of curiosity, what exactly do you think the CPU does? I know that you mistakenly believe it to be responsible for data transfer between your client and the game server, but you don’t think it does anything else?

You seem to be implying that a CPU isn’t needed for single-player games that don’t connect to the internet.

I'd prefer if you responded to the developer's statement you said " is akin to someone claiming to be a doctor saying the reason you feel depressed is because the feel good butterflies in your head had a spell cast on them by a witch. "

I'm trying to get in touch with him but I'd like to see how you respond to that before we move further.

So you're not going to address the glaring mistakes he's pointed out in your own logic? Don't be that person.

You need to learn just like everyone else. There's nothing wrong with being wrong so long as you own up to it and learn.

If your CPU is incapable as more and more load is put on it, it will begin to slow down.

If you sound out gullible slow enough, when adding this context to your original post, it sounds like oranges.

Do you disagree that the CPU plays a role in your game performance?

Do you think that the CPU is the only thing that affects performance?

No, that's why I listed internet connection speed, cpu, gpu, among other things in my original post. Please read it and you will know what I believe impacts performance on our end. This does not mean I am saying performance hindrances cannot happen on the server side but there are people playing on less than adequate computes that are complaining about Zenimax.

Zenimax isn't at fault if you're expecting smooth gameplay with integrated graphics and an inadequate CPU.

I did read it. I read it and LOLed when Thogard corrected you- several times. Please read the complaints fully and actually figure out if it's 'graphical lag' or 'latency' before posting another blatantly misinformed thread. Thanks.

Also, your 'dev response' is from 2012 and is an extremely watered down synopsis on how this stuff works. When are we getting a response from your 'developer friend'?

Thogard was just stating incorrect or altered information. When I posted an actual developer comment on this matter he insulted it thinking it was my own. It is very apparent that Thogard was only looking to impress people with false data.

So you're calling it fake news now. My god, I wish there was an LOL button.

No, I am just saying people should actually consider the information they are attacking before assuming it won't be proven or that someone with a specific degree and extensive history in a field won't counter it with actual facts. Matso is a senior developer and former systems architect. He has coded engines from the ground up.

EDIT: I believe he deserves more respect than: " I knew that you weren’t familiar with how these systems work, but I didn’t realize how spectacularly wrong you are. Reading your most recent post is akin to someone claiming to be a doctor saying the reason you feel depressed is because the feel good butterflies in your head had a spell cast on them by a witch. " "

You made this thread. Not the NS2 dev. You made these erroneous assumptions, not the dev. You advised people, ignorantly, to waste their income on snake oil. Not the dev. You brought the dev, someone fsr too busy running an actual game of hes still on the team, into a discussion that doesnt fit the context of said discussion. You are now trying to get this person to back you up on some no name forum.

You were wrong, you got called out on it.
Be an adult and accept responsibility, before thus entire thread gets gutted over something pointless like hurt feelings.

Matso's statement was literally attacked by someone claiming to know more than what was stated. I literally copy and pasted his statement on this matter and Thogard attacked it saying it was like a witch casting a spell and someone pretending to be a doctor. I'm not sure how this translates to me getting called out when 90% of what I posted was the dev.

Further, how are so many people coming into this thread stating they have good performance? It can't all be a conspiracy or that they are all lying.

You are citing anecdote as fact, when anecdote inherently has flaws that are not conducive to proper, logical discourse and application. You have to worry about things like bias, or just plain ignorance, tainting your "evidence".

What Thogard has posted has been empirically proven and widely documented. Cut your losses and learn some humility. I promise it doesn't hurt.

I was hoping someone would say this. Since you have said it was widely documented I now encourage you to provide links to reputable sources that will prove that what he said is true and accurate. Show me the documentation.

Address your own debunked assertions in your original posts first. Burden of proof is on you.

I've cited a developer and multiple users have chimed in stating they don't have lag. One with a Broadwell-E (6800K) and another with a Coffee Lake(8700k).

Can you provide one link to prove this widely documented empirically proven information?

You plagiarized one developer's comments and took them out of context, hoping the technical babble would look sophisticated enough to persuade most readers not to look into or verify it. Try again.

No, it was attacked and shunned but the information was correct.

Do you understand what context is? The plagiarized post does not apply to ESO, or gaming in general. It was one post from 2012 for a game that I personally have more experience with than I suspect you do. Natural Selection has been around a long time, starting as a half life 1 mod, and swapping dev teams to become its current entity, NS2.

Educate yourself.

Knowledge wrote: »

Why CPU lag happens?
a.) Hardware issues
b.) Temperature issue
c.) Wrong CPU settings (BIOS)
d.) Overclocked CPU
e) CPU not compatible with the game
f.) Wrong or old CPU driver
g.) Virus or malware infection
h.) Too many running apps or processes
i.) CPU is not meeting the System Requirements
j.) MMO battles with more than 10 participates can increase the CPU usage. Mega battles with more than 50 participates increase the CPU usage immensely! Heavy populated places of Interest, Towns and similar increase the CPU usage as well.

How to fix CPU lag

Solution A
- Open the task manager to get an overview of all running apps and services that consume CPU power. Sort the list by CPU usage and troubleshoot trough it. Stop apps and services that are not essential to keep your OS up.

Solution B
- Restart the game and/or restart the computer or laptop

Solution C
- Adjust the in-game settings accordingly. Try to apply the lowest settings possible and see if the issues still persists. Slightly increase the settings until lag starts again.

Solution D
- Update to the newest CPU driver or roll-back to the previous version if the lag starts after a new update

Solution E
- Check the temperature of your CPU. Google for apps that can assist you with this task.

Solution F
- If your CPU has temperature issues and is not overclocked, it is most likely that the cooling liquid on the CPU has dried out or the cooling fan is broken or lost power. Sometimes the issue can be solved by adding an external cooling device and/or renew the cooling liquid.

Solution G
- Run virus- and malware scanners to check if your system is infected. Viruses and malware can cause your CPU to be at 99% usage.

Solution H
- Check if the PSU provides the necessary voltage for your CPU. Google for apps that can assist you with this tasks.

Solution I
- Try to overclock your CPU if this solution is supported by your BIOS. Be aware that you need to have basic knowledge about overclocking. Warning: There is always the possibility to damage your CPU permanently. Solution J Try to set priorities for specific processes in your system. Be aware that you need specific knowledge to do so. You can alternatively use tools that includes a process manager and/or process optimizer.

Solution K
- Double check if your CPU is supported by the system requirements.

https://www.badosoft.com/knowledgebase/cpu-lag.php

Yeah dude, CPU underperformance can cause FPS drops. Great detective work.

Taysa wrote: »

Not my hardware.

Not my internet.

Maybe, just maybe, ZoS's servers are garbage.

Knowledge wrote: »

Taysa wrote: »

Not my hardware.

Not my internet.

Maybe, just maybe, ZoS's servers are garbage.

They actually use very good servers.

Cite your source. Try not to rip it off as your own this time.

zParallaxz wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

We need to make sure it's not on your end. A lot of people I've spoken to in the game have misinterpreted lag for poor performance. Not everyone is tech savvy so I have prepared a list to help you improve your gaming experience.

Before going further I play with a 1080 Ti and a Kaby Lake platform. My internet speed is about 100mbps down. My drivers are all updated and I rarely experience lag even in PVP. The multicore update should eliminate most of my lag.

Moving on, it is important that you remember that your graphics card has limitations. Everyone's GPU(Graphics Processing Unit) has a different level of capability and will therefore allow game play to be smooth at specific settings. For example, if you have a 1080 or 1080 ti it is likely you can play at the Ultra High Setting. However, a few people are using older graphics cards such as 700 series or older and complaining about performance. Not to mention, some even have on board video! If you have integrated video it's time to start shopping for something better.

Moreover, you want to make sure your CPU is up to the task. The recommended (not minimum) CPU for this game is an intel i5 2300 or AMD FX4350 CPU. Keep in mind, just because these are recommended that does not mean you should expect flawless game play or ultra settings. Further, your CPU is the brain of your PC and must not only deal with your input, draw calls from your gpu, but also compute the network data being fed into it. This is a huge task for something like an i5 2300 CPU and may result in less than desired performance.

Before we can blame the game we need to make sure we have decent components. Here is what I would recommend for a decent ESO experience. Please remember, this is my opinion, is not the recommended or minimum requirements for the game, and is just what I think would offer you a fantastic experience.

• For Intel CPU: i5 2500k OR Better
• For AMD CPU: Ryzen 1600x or better
• For NVIDIA GPU: GTX 980 or better
• For AMD GPU: RADEON R9 290x or better
• 8 GB of DDR3 or better
• Windows 10 64-bit (remember 64-bit is the only client for the game)
• SSD or nVME drive (Samsung 850 EVO or better)
• 10mbps Internet Connection or better
• Adequate CPU cooler and airflow to prevent throttling (Minimum Hyper 212 EVO cooler)

Please remember that my minimum suggested part is assuming you are playing at 1920 x 1080. If you increase your resolution to 1440p+ you may need even better hardware.

What about consoles like the Xbox one x?

Apparently it's still your PC. Even if you're on console.

Well! I've had a nice night out at the theatre watching a Meatloaf tribute act. It was great fun.

Not having the energy to go in game and do the 'anniversary grind'* I thought I'd watch a few old episodes of the X-Files and browse our wonderful ESO forums. I've got no further than this thread - and ran out of popcorn at the theatre.

I understand that game performance (ESO in this instnace) relies on a plethora of conditions relating to and including computer specifications, home network, line / route between home and ISP, wider internet or world wide web concerns and game provider servers to name but a few. Even the local weather can throw the best connexion into disarray!

I also understand that having higher spefification equipment can, not always, improve network or computer performance. I also know that simply stating 'buy better stuff' or 'it's never the game provider at fault' is, at best, not the ... erm ... best! There is also the fact that stating 'just get a new CPU or GPU' will not only be unhelpful but prove very expensive to those with lower budgets as improving on either could mean having to upgrarde other key components such as a PSU to handle added power requirements or a new motherboard to actually fit the new CPU to.

Anyone insisting that it is always a user end or supplier end problem is simply not helping matters. Sometimes user end issues can be fixed but there will still be problems and sometimes supplier end issues can be fixed and there will still be problems. Sometimes it is both user end and supplier end issues together that cause problems. Believe it or not, sometimes it is neither user end or supplier end that is at fault! There are many things between user and supplier that can cause major problems. One thing comes to mind on this; I was playing some mmo some years ago and the server was based in the US (I'm in the UK). There was a massive issue at an internet exchange point (Frankfurt if memory serves) that caused huge problems for all internet users in related regions.

Though I have studied computing (general) to one step below degree level and capably built and maintained many PC's and networks, I did not specialise. This means that my general knowledge about computers is quite good but I recognize that I'm simply not as well informed as others in this thread. That is just how it is.

As threads go, this one is not the most toxic. This thread is not the most friendly either. There are good points made in this thread and very good information given - in some posts. There's also some not so good information here. It's just a shame that the main participants in this thread seem unable or unwilling to come to some agreement and provide information that is actually helpful to the rest of us. Maybe some real good could come from this thread. Maybe the main participants can bang their heads together, cooperate, in private chat and construct a new, informative, accurate and useful thread. Maybe that thread could be 'stickied'. Maybe I'm asking too much. Let's just stop pointing fingers and squabbling like children in a playground.

I'll continue reading the thread at my leisure - if I can find more popcorn or, frankly, be bothered. As it is the thread seems less than useful to the average user.



* 'anniversary grind' - some sort of new dance?



Edit;

I recently bought a new modem router (fibre) NetgGear D7800 and saw a download improvement from 10Mbps to almost 13Mbps - not fantastic but I'll take it. I currently play on my MSI GE62VR 7RF APACHE PRO laptop with 7th gen core i7, Geforce GTX 1060, SSD for OS (Win 10 Home) , HDD for game and 16GB ram. I use the 5Ghz connection on WIFI and have game settings optomized with geforce experience (1920x1080). I also sometimes play on my hard wired desktop which has i5 4690K (I'd have to verify this), SSD OS (Win 10 Pro), HDD game, 16GB ram and GTX 1070 (sometimes in multimonitor 3x1). It's true that I play almost exclusively PVE but have seen situations with many, many players fighting npcs. I have fairly adequate gear with more than adequate performance for my needs.

Night_Watch wrote: »

Well! I've had a nice night out at the theatre watching a Meatloaf tribute act. It was great fun.

Not having the energy to go in game and do the 'anniversary grind'* I thought I'd watch a few old episodes of the X-Files and browse our wonderful ESO forums. I've got no further than this thread - and ran out of popcorn at the theatre.

I understand that game performance (ESO in this instnace) relies on a plethora of conditions relating to and including computer specifications, home network, line / route between home and ISP, wider internet or world wide web concerns and game provider servers to name but a few. Even the local weather can throw the best connexion into disarray!

I also understand that having higher spefification equipment can, not always, improve network or computer performance. I also know that simply stating 'buy better stuff' or 'it's never the game provider at fault' is, at best, not the ... erm ... best! There is also the fact that stating 'just get a new CPU or GPU' will not only be unhelpful but prove very expensive to those with lower budgets as improving on either could mean having to upgrarde other key components such as a PSU to handle added power requirements or a new motherboard to actually fit the new CPU to.

Anyone insisting that it is always a user end or supplier end problem is simply not helping matters. Sometimes user end issues can be fixed but there will still be problems and sometimes supplier end issues can be fixed and there will still be problems. Sometimes it is both user end and supplier end issues together that cause problems. Believe it or not, sometimes it is neither user end or supplier end that is at fault! There are many things between user and supplier that can cause major problems. One thing comes to mind on this; I was playing some mmo some years ago and the server was based in the US (I'm in the UK). There was a massive issue at an internet exchange point (Frankfurt if memory serves) that caused huge problems for all internet users in related regions.

Though I have studied computing (general) to one step below degree level and capably built and maintained many PC's and networks, I did not specialise. This means that my general knowledge about computers is quite good but I recognize that I'm simply not as well informed as others in this thread. That is just how it is.

As threads go, this one is not the most toxic. This thread is not the most friendly either. There are good points made in this thread and very good information given - in some posts. There's also some not so good information here. It's just a shame that the main participants in this thread seem unable or unwilling to come to some agreement and provide information that is actually helpful to the rest of us. Maybe some real good could come from this thread. Maybe the main participants can bang their heads together, cooperate, in private chat and construct a new, informative, accurate and useful thread. Maybe that thread could be 'stickied'. Maybe I'm asking too much. Let's just stop pointing fingers and squabbling like children in a playground.

I'll continue reading the thread at my leisure - if I can find more popcorn or, frankly, be bothered. As it is the thread seems less than useful to the average user.



* 'anniversary grind' - some sort of new dance?

You've made some important points in your post. Please remember, I am suggesting hardware for users that otherwise have limited experience with PCs or don't understand the difference between lag and performance problems.

There are quite a few people I've encountered here on the forums as well as in the game that don't understand the difference and try to play the game on very low end hardware. Some of these users, given their lack of understanding, then jump on the bandwagon of blaming ZeniMax for their performance problems.

My original post was only intended to help people that may not understand that their computer hardware could be older or not good enough for the game. I am by no means saying server problems don't happen, that it's always the end-user, or that it's always the ISP at fault. However, a good amount of people do have better experiences in the game with higher end hardware. Some have reported limited-to-no-lag.

This was not a guide on how to build a computer but only a suggestion on what parts would be needed, in my opinion, to rule out poor system performance. If someone needs a guide on how to build a PC I suggest buildapc on reddit. I don't want to be responsible for any issues people have while building and therefore I am not going to explain the process on this forum.

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