Before complaining about lag...

Lylith · April 2018

Defilted wrote: »

Something else to keep in mind ESO is a single core game only. It is not coded to use multiple cores. Multi core support is coming this year. This will make a huge difference with how the game runs.

here's hoping.

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Thogard · April 2018

Knowledge wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

@Knowledge just out of curiosity, what exactly do you think the CPU does? I know that you mistakenly believe it to be responsible for data transfer between your client and the game server, but you don’t think it does anything else?

You seem to be implying that a CPU isn’t needed for single-player games that don’t connect to the internet.

I'd prefer if you responded to the developer's statement you said " is akin to someone claiming to be a doctor saying the reason you feel depressed is because the feel good butterflies in your head had a spell cast on them by a witch. "

I'm trying to get in touch with him but I'd like to see how you respond to that before we move further.

So you're not going to address the glaring mistakes he's pointed out in your own logic? Don't be that person.

You need to learn just like everyone else. There's nothing wrong with being wrong so long as you own up to it and learn.

If your CPU is incapable as more and more load is put on it, it will begin to slow down.

If you sound out gullible slow enough, when adding this context to your original post, it sounds like oranges.

Do you disagree that the CPU plays a role in your game performance?

Do you think that the CPU is the only thing that affects performance?

No, that's why I listed internet connection speed, cpu, gpu, among other things in my original post. Please read it and you will know what I believe impacts performance on our end. This does not mean I am saying performance hindrances cannot happen on the server side but there are people playing on less than adequate computes that are complaining about Zenimax.

Zenimax isn't at fault if you're expecting smooth gameplay with integrated graphics and an inadequate CPU.

I did read it. I read it and LOLed when Thogard corrected you- several times. Please read the complaints fully and actually figure out if it's 'graphical lag' or 'latency' before posting another blatantly misinformed thread. Thanks.

Also, your 'dev response' is from 2012 and is an extremely watered down synopsis on how this stuff works. When are we getting a response from your 'developer friend'?

Thogard was just stating incorrect or altered information. When I posted an actual developer comment on this matter he insulted it thinking it was my own. It is very apparent that Thogard was only looking to impress people with false data.

So you're calling it fake news now. My god, I wish there was an LOL button.

No, I am just saying people should actually consider the information they are attacking before assuming it won't be proven or that someone with a specific degree and extensive history in a field won't counter it with actual facts. Matso is a senior developer and former systems architect. He has coded engines from the ground up.

EDIT: I believe he deserves more respect than: " I knew that you weren’t familiar with how these systems work, but I didn’t realize how spectacularly wrong you are. Reading your most recent post is akin to someone claiming to be a doctor saying the reason you feel depressed is because the feel good butterflies in your head had a spell cast on them by a witch. " "

You made this thread. Not the NS2 dev. You made these erroneous assumptions, not the dev. You advised people, ignorantly, to waste their income on snake oil. Not the dev. You brought the dev, someone fsr too busy running an actual game of hes still on the team, into a discussion that doesnt fit the context of said discussion. You are now trying to get this person to back you up on some no name forum.

You were wrong, you got called out on it.
Be an adult and accept responsibility, before thus entire thread gets gutted over something pointless like hurt feelings.

Matso's statement was literally attacked by someone claiming to know more than what was stated. I literally copy and pasted his statement on this matter and Thogard attacked it saying it was like a witch casting a spell and someone pretending to be a doctor. I'm not sure how this translates to me getting called out when 90% of what I posted was the dev.

Further, how are so many people coming into this thread stating they have good performance? It can't all be a conspiracy or that they are all lying.

You plagiarizing his statement and using it completely out of context is what was attacked. The metaphor i gave was funny.. and still true. My point was that you were using terms and phrases that had no bearing on ESO in any way. I was right. If you had attributed the quote, or even bothered to put it in quotation marks, I would've been able to understand more easily why the doctor's prescription sounds like nonsense. But that doesn't make it less nonsensical. Context is everything.

@MaxwellC knows a lot more about this stuff than I do. Please listen to him.

Different issues have different fixes. If anyone is having problems with ANY type of lag, please post on the PC Technical Support forum and a ton of people smarter than myself will try to help you as best they can.

Jade1986 · April 2018

Stop making excuses, seriously, 1080 is way WAY overkill for this game, you should not need a super computer to play the game and not be constantly kicked off.

This is on their end 100% in recent times. Their servers and datacenters CANNOT handle the stress of these events, and it is shameful that they have not upgraded them.

Sixsixsix161 · April 2018

Another issue: How many other programs are players running at the same time?

Playing ESO while you have Facebook, UTube, and other programs all open at the same time, can cause issues.

VaranisArano · April 2018

Some people don't have lag issues. More power to them. Good luck isolating all the variables down to something reproducible for the rest of us.

When you find that silver bullet, let us know.

Thogard · April 2018

Jade1986 wrote: »

Stop making excuses, seriously, 1080 is way WAY overkill for this game, you should not need a super computer to play the game and not be constantly kicked off.

This is on their end 100% in recent times. Their servers and datacenters CANNOT handle the stress of these events, and it is shameful that they have not upgraded them.

a graphics card like a 1080 performs an entirely different function than the ZOS servers.

Bad servers on their end would not be improved by using a better graphics card, or a better anything for that matter.

If you're getting kicked to login frequently, (especially if it happens when you zone) I'd be willing to bet it's a problem with your router, or your VPN if you're running one.

IF you're getting the fatalexception error, it's a memory leak-related bug, and hardware upgrades would help, but would not fix the problem AFAIK.

Thogard · April 2018

Would you guys be interested in me making a youtube video that talks about how to find out where your bottleneck is? I'd be better at the latency bottlenecks than the FPS chutter but i could give people an idea of what to look for.

FleetwoodSmack · April 2018

Thogard wrote: »

Would you guys be interested in me making a youtube video that talks about how to find out where your bottleneck is? I'd be better at the latency bottlenecks than the FPS chutter but i could give people an idea of what to look for.

Honestly, I think it'd be a good idea in general and just have it linked in your signature. It's definitely better for threads like these where people need the facts rather than something copy/pasted.

Jade1986 · April 2018

Thogard wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Stop making excuses, seriously, 1080 is way WAY overkill for this game, you should not need a super computer to play the game and not be constantly kicked off.

This is on their end 100% in recent times. Their servers and datacenters CANNOT handle the stress of these events, and it is shameful that they have not upgraded them.

a graphics card like a 1080 performs an entirely different function than the ZOS servers.

Bad servers on their end would not be improved by using a better graphics card, or a better anything for that matter.

If you're getting kicked to login frequently, (especially if it happens when you zone) I'd be willing to bet it's a problem with your router, or your VPN if you're running one.

IF you're getting the fatalexception error, it's a memory leak-related bug, and hardware upgrades would help, but would not fix the problem AFAIK.

Yes, its a problem with my router...except I dont have one.....

The OP is making this out to be a user side Hardware issue, which is just flat out false. I was saying that these issues people ahve been having lately , lag, stuttering, being logged out, long loading screens, are a direct result of poor server quality and aging datacenter tech.

Thogard · April 2018

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Would you guys be interested in me making a youtube video that talks about how to find out where your bottleneck is? I'd be better at the latency bottlenecks than the FPS chutter but i could give people an idea of what to look for.

Honestly, I think it'd be a good idea in general and just have it linked in your signature. It's definitely better for threads like these where people need the facts rather than something copy/pasted.

I did a post about a year ago, but the mods deleted it because apparently i was "advertising" a VPN.

This was back when the ATT node in texas was dropping packets and about 20% of playeres were getting ping spikes in the 400s every minute. ZOS eventually contacted ATT and made them repair the node (or at least treat ESO packets with the same priority as other packets) but I was disheartened by their deletion of my fix.

I think a video would be safer. thank you for the encouragement

Jade1986 · April 2018

I would also like to note i pretty much live next door to the European datacenters. As in less than 30 minutes.

Knowledge · April 2018

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Judas Helviaryn wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

@Knowledge just out of curiosity, what exactly do you think the CPU does? I know that you mistakenly believe it to be responsible for data transfer between your client and the game server, but you don’t think it does anything else?

You seem to be implying that a CPU isn’t needed for single-player games that don’t connect to the internet.

I'd prefer if you responded to the developer's statement you said " is akin to someone claiming to be a doctor saying the reason you feel depressed is because the feel good butterflies in your head had a spell cast on them by a witch. "

I'm trying to get in touch with him but I'd like to see how you respond to that before we move further.

So you're not going to address the glaring mistakes he's pointed out in your own logic? Don't be that person.

You need to learn just like everyone else. There's nothing wrong with being wrong so long as you own up to it and learn.

If your CPU is incapable as more and more load is put on it, it will begin to slow down.

If you sound out gullible slow enough, when adding this context to your original post, it sounds like oranges.

Do you disagree that the CPU plays a role in your game performance?

Do you think that the CPU is the only thing that affects performance?

No, that's why I listed internet connection speed, cpu, gpu, among other things in my original post. Please read it and you will know what I believe impacts performance on our end. This does not mean I am saying performance hindrances cannot happen on the server side but there are people playing on less than adequate computes that are complaining about Zenimax.

Zenimax isn't at fault if you're expecting smooth gameplay with integrated graphics and an inadequate CPU.

I did read it. I read it and LOLed when Thogard corrected you- several times. Please read the complaints fully and actually figure out if it's 'graphical lag' or 'latency' before posting another blatantly misinformed thread. Thanks.

Also, your 'dev response' is from 2012 and is an extremely watered down synopsis on how this stuff works. When are we getting a response from your 'developer friend'?

Thogard was just stating incorrect or altered information. When I posted an actual developer comment on this matter he insulted it thinking it was my own. It is very apparent that Thogard was only looking to impress people with false data.

So you're calling it fake news now. My god, I wish there was an LOL button.

No, I am just saying people should actually consider the information they are attacking before assuming it won't be proven or that someone with a specific degree and extensive history in a field won't counter it with actual facts. Matso is a senior developer and former systems architect. He has coded engines from the ground up.

EDIT: I believe he deserves more respect than: " I knew that you weren’t familiar with how these systems work, but I didn’t realize how spectacularly wrong you are. Reading your most recent post is akin to someone claiming to be a doctor saying the reason you feel depressed is because the feel good butterflies in your head had a spell cast on them by a witch. " "

You made this thread. Not the NS2 dev. You made these erroneous assumptions, not the dev. You advised people, ignorantly, to waste their income on snake oil. Not the dev. You brought the dev, someone fsr too busy running an actual game of hes still on the team, into a discussion that doesnt fit the context of said discussion. You are now trying to get this person to back you up on some no name forum.

You were wrong, you got called out on it.
Be an adult and accept responsibility, before thus entire thread gets gutted over something pointless like hurt feelings.

Matso's statement was literally attacked by someone claiming to know more than what was stated. I literally copy and pasted his statement on this matter and Thogard attacked it saying it was like a witch casting a spell and someone pretending to be a doctor. I'm not sure how this translates to me getting called out when 90% of what I posted was the dev.

Further, how are so many people coming into this thread stating they have good performance? It can't all be a conspiracy or that they are all lying.

You are citing anecdote as fact, when anecdote inherently has flaws that are not conducive to proper, logical discourse and application. You have to worry about things like bias, or just plain ignorance, tainting your "evidence".

What Thogard has posted has been empirically proven and widely documented. Cut your losses and learn some humility. I promise it doesn't hurt.

I was hoping someone would say this. Since you have said it was widely documented I now encourage you to provide links to reputable sources that will prove that what he said is true and accurate. Show me the documentation.

FleetwoodSmack · April 2018

Thogard wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Stop making excuses, seriously, 1080 is way WAY overkill for this game, you should not need a super computer to play the game and not be constantly kicked off.

This is on their end 100% in recent times. Their servers and datacenters CANNOT handle the stress of these events, and it is shameful that they have not upgraded them.

a graphics card like a 1080 performs an entirely different function than the ZOS servers.

Bad servers on their end would not be improved by using a better graphics card, or a better anything for that matter.

If you're getting kicked to login frequently, (especially if it happens when you zone) I'd be willing to bet it's a problem with your router, or your VPN if you're running one.

IF you're getting the fatalexception error, it's a memory leak-related bug, and hardware upgrades would help, but would not fix the problem AFAIK.

I'd also like to add something from my experience. I was regularly getting dropped every 30-40 minutes and was going through eeeeeeeverything with my computer. Eeeeeeeeeeverything in my router. Contacted ZoS Support and they said it was my ISP, my ISP said it was ZoS. Disabled addons, made a whole list- pretty much did everything except sacrifice my first born.

It wasn't until I derped and ganked out the saved variables to that specific addon that I was actually able to stay logged into the game. The API was still accessing disabled addons which was causing me to lag completely out. So that's also something to check too if people are lagging as well, but in no means is it a universal fix. But at the time, I heavily documented EVERYTHING. Every step I did, every post I read, complete with links and timestamps. Which is a little overkill, but I'm OCD when troubleshooting.

Knowledge · April 2018

Jade1986 wrote: »

Stop making excuses, seriously, 1080 is way WAY overkill for this game, you should not need a super computer to play the game and not be constantly kicked off.

This is on their end 100% in recent times. Their servers and datacenters CANNOT handle the stress of these events, and it is shameful that they have not upgraded them.

I rarely get kicked off and the very, very few times that I do I would just attribute to 'acceptable disconnects". We're talking one every few hundred hours if not more of actually being logged in.

Knowledge · April 2018

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Stop making excuses, seriously, 1080 is way WAY overkill for this game, you should not need a super computer to play the game and not be constantly kicked off.

This is on their end 100% in recent times. Their servers and datacenters CANNOT handle the stress of these events, and it is shameful that they have not upgraded them.

a graphics card like a 1080 performs an entirely different function than the ZOS servers.

Bad servers on their end would not be improved by using a better graphics card, or a better anything for that matter.

If you're getting kicked to login frequently, (especially if it happens when you zone) I'd be willing to bet it's a problem with your router, or your VPN if you're running one.

IF you're getting the fatalexception error, it's a memory leak-related bug, and hardware upgrades would help, but would not fix the problem AFAIK.

I'd also like to add something from my experience. I was regularly getting dropped every 30-40 minutes and was going through eeeeeeeverything with my computer. Eeeeeeeeeeverything in my router. Contacted ZoS Support and they said it was my ISP, my ISP said it was ZoS. Disabled addons, made a whole list- pretty much did everything except sacrifice my first born.

It wasn't until I derped and ganked out the saved variables to that specific addon that I was actually able to stay logged into the game. The API was still accessing disabled addons which was causing me to lag completely out. So that's also something to check too if people are lagging as well, but in no means is it a universal fix. But at the time, I heavily documented EVERYTHING. Every step I did, every post I read, complete with links and timestamps. Which is a little overkill, but I'm OCD when troubleshooting.

Next time please be sure the add-ons aren't the culprit. ZeniMax can't be blamed for third party add-ons.

Jade1986 · April 2018

Knowledge wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Stop making excuses, seriously, 1080 is way WAY overkill for this game, you should not need a super computer to play the game and not be constantly kicked off.

This is on their end 100% in recent times. Their servers and datacenters CANNOT handle the stress of these events, and it is shameful that they have not upgraded them.

I rarely get kicked off and the very, very few times that I do I would just attribute to 'acceptable disconnects". We're talking one every few hundred hours if not more of actually being logged in.

So what about the last 2 weeks where people are constantly getting booted on the EU servers? I guess -everyones- routers are the problem? Come on, seriously?

Every update performance gets worse.
Every event performance is out the window and the server becomes completely unstable.

This is a ZoS issue, not a user issue, in most cases.

rfennell_ESO · April 2018

Knowledge wrote: »

We need to make sure it's not on your end. A lot of people I've spoken to in the game have misinterpreted lag for poor performance. Not everyone is tech savvy so I have prepared a list to help you improve your gaming experience.

Before going further I play with a 1080 Ti and a Kaby Lake platform. My internet speed is about 100mbps down. My drivers are all updated and I rarely experience lag even in PVP. The multicore update should eliminate most of my lag.

Moving on, it is important that you remember that your graphics card has limitations. Everyone's GPU(Graphics Processing Unit) has a different level of capability and will therefore allow game play to be smooth at specific settings. For example, if you have a 1080 or 1080 ti it is likely you can play at the Ultra High Setting. However, a few people are using older graphics cards such as 700 series or older and complaining about performance. Not to mention, some even have on board video! If you have integrated video it's time to start shopping for something better.

Moreover, you want to make sure your CPU is up to the task. The recommended (not minimum) CPU for this game is an intel i5 2300 or AMD FX4350 CPU. Keep in mind, just because these are recommended that does not mean you should expect flawless game play or ultra settings. Further, your CPU is the brain of your PC and must not only deal with your input, draw calls from your gpu, but also compute the network data being fed into it. This is a huge task for something like an i5 2300 CPU and may result in less than desired performance.

Before we can blame the game we need to make sure we have decent components. Here is what I would recommend for a decent ESO experience. Please remember, this is my opinion, is not the recommended or minimum requirements for the game, and is just what I think would offer you a fantastic experience.
For Intel CPU: i5 2500k OR Better

For AMD CPU: Ryzen 1600x or better

For NVIDIA GPU: GTX 980 or better

For AMD GPU: RADEON R9 290x or better

8 GB of DDR3 or better

Windows 10 64-bit (remember 64-bit is the only client for the game)

SSD or nVME drive (Samsung 850 EVO or better)

10mbps Internet Connection or better

Adequate CPU cooler and airflow to prevent throttling (Minimum Hyper 212 EVO cooler)

Please remember that my minimum suggested part is assuming you are playing at 1920 x 1080. If you increase your resolution to 1440p+ you may need even better hardware.

And when you meet that checklist and your ping is listed as 90 and framerate is sitting at your monitors refresh rate and it's the server?

Knowledge · April 2018

Jade1986 wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Stop making excuses, seriously, 1080 is way WAY overkill for this game, you should not need a super computer to play the game and not be constantly kicked off.

This is on their end 100% in recent times. Their servers and datacenters CANNOT handle the stress of these events, and it is shameful that they have not upgraded them.

I rarely get kicked off and the very, very few times that I do I would just attribute to 'acceptable disconnects". We're talking one every few hundred hours if not more of actually being logged in.

So what about the last 2 weeks where people are constantly getting booted on the EU servers? I guess -everyones- routers are the problem? Come on, seriously?

That was a very localized and one time issue that is going to be rectified, I'm sure. it's only impacting EU at the moment.

Knowledge · April 2018

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

We need to make sure it's not on your end. A lot of people I've spoken to in the game have misinterpreted lag for poor performance. Not everyone is tech savvy so I have prepared a list to help you improve your gaming experience.

Before going further I play with a 1080 Ti and a Kaby Lake platform. My internet speed is about 100mbps down. My drivers are all updated and I rarely experience lag even in PVP. The multicore update should eliminate most of my lag.

Moving on, it is important that you remember that your graphics card has limitations. Everyone's GPU(Graphics Processing Unit) has a different level of capability and will therefore allow game play to be smooth at specific settings. For example, if you have a 1080 or 1080 ti it is likely you can play at the Ultra High Setting. However, a few people are using older graphics cards such as 700 series or older and complaining about performance. Not to mention, some even have on board video! If you have integrated video it's time to start shopping for something better.

Moreover, you want to make sure your CPU is up to the task. The recommended (not minimum) CPU for this game is an intel i5 2300 or AMD FX4350 CPU. Keep in mind, just because these are recommended that does not mean you should expect flawless game play or ultra settings. Further, your CPU is the brain of your PC and must not only deal with your input, draw calls from your gpu, but also compute the network data being fed into it. This is a huge task for something like an i5 2300 CPU and may result in less than desired performance.

Before we can blame the game we need to make sure we have decent components. Here is what I would recommend for a decent ESO experience. Please remember, this is my opinion, is not the recommended or minimum requirements for the game, and is just what I think would offer you a fantastic experience.
For Intel CPU: i5 2500k OR Better

For AMD CPU: Ryzen 1600x or better

For NVIDIA GPU: GTX 980 or better

For AMD GPU: RADEON R9 290x or better

8 GB of DDR3 or better

Windows 10 64-bit (remember 64-bit is the only client for the game)

SSD or nVME drive (Samsung 850 EVO or better)

10mbps Internet Connection or better

Adequate CPU cooler and airflow to prevent throttling (Minimum Hyper 212 EVO cooler)

Please remember that my minimum suggested part is assuming you are playing at 1920 x 1080. If you increase your resolution to 1440p+ you may need even better hardware.

And when you meet that checklist and your ping is listed as 90 and framerate is sitting at your monitors refresh rate and it's the server?

I would check with your ISP and ensure your router isn't blocking ports.

Jade1986 · April 2018

Knowledge wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Stop making excuses, seriously, 1080 is way WAY overkill for this game, you should not need a super computer to play the game and not be constantly kicked off.

This is on their end 100% in recent times. Their servers and datacenters CANNOT handle the stress of these events, and it is shameful that they have not upgraded them.

I rarely get kicked off and the very, very few times that I do I would just attribute to 'acceptable disconnects". We're talking one every few hundred hours if not more of actually being logged in.

So what about the last 2 weeks where people are constantly getting booted on the EU servers? I guess -everyones- routers are the problem? Come on, seriously?

That was a very localized and one time issue that is going to be rectified, I'm sure. it's only impacting EU at the moment.

Its not a one time thing. It happens -every- event when a lot of people log on. It hasnt been rectified, not once. They just wait for everyone to log off, restart the servers, and hope for the best. They need to upgrade, their is no ifs and buts about it.

rfennell_ESO · April 2018

Knowledge wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

We need to make sure it's not on your end. A lot of people I've spoken to in the game have misinterpreted lag for poor performance. Not everyone is tech savvy so I have prepared a list to help you improve your gaming experience.

Before going further I play with a 1080 Ti and a Kaby Lake platform. My internet speed is about 100mbps down. My drivers are all updated and I rarely experience lag even in PVP. The multicore update should eliminate most of my lag.

Moving on, it is important that you remember that your graphics card has limitations. Everyone's GPU(Graphics Processing Unit) has a different level of capability and will therefore allow game play to be smooth at specific settings. For example, if you have a 1080 or 1080 ti it is likely you can play at the Ultra High Setting. However, a few people are using older graphics cards such as 700 series or older and complaining about performance. Not to mention, some even have on board video! If you have integrated video it's time to start shopping for something better.

Moreover, you want to make sure your CPU is up to the task. The recommended (not minimum) CPU for this game is an intel i5 2300 or AMD FX4350 CPU. Keep in mind, just because these are recommended that does not mean you should expect flawless game play or ultra settings. Further, your CPU is the brain of your PC and must not only deal with your input, draw calls from your gpu, but also compute the network data being fed into it. This is a huge task for something like an i5 2300 CPU and may result in less than desired performance.

Before we can blame the game we need to make sure we have decent components. Here is what I would recommend for a decent ESO experience. Please remember, this is my opinion, is not the recommended or minimum requirements for the game, and is just what I think would offer you a fantastic experience.
For Intel CPU: i5 2500k OR Better

For AMD CPU: Ryzen 1600x or better

For NVIDIA GPU: GTX 980 or better

For AMD GPU: RADEON R9 290x or better

8 GB of DDR3 or better

Windows 10 64-bit (remember 64-bit is the only client for the game)

SSD or nVME drive (Samsung 850 EVO or better)

10mbps Internet Connection or better

Adequate CPU cooler and airflow to prevent throttling (Minimum Hyper 212 EVO cooler)

Please remember that my minimum suggested part is assuming you are playing at 1920 x 1080. If you increase your resolution to 1440p+ you may need even better hardware.

And when you meet that checklist and your ping is listed as 90 and framerate is sitting at your monitors refresh rate and it's the server?

I would check with your ISP and ensure your router isn't blocking ports.

Or perhaps admit that perhaps, at times, it's actually the freaking server?

Jade1986 · April 2018

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

We need to make sure it's not on your end. A lot of people I've spoken to in the game have misinterpreted lag for poor performance. Not everyone is tech savvy so I have prepared a list to help you improve your gaming experience.

Before going further I play with a 1080 Ti and a Kaby Lake platform. My internet speed is about 100mbps down. My drivers are all updated and I rarely experience lag even in PVP. The multicore update should eliminate most of my lag.

Moving on, it is important that you remember that your graphics card has limitations. Everyone's GPU(Graphics Processing Unit) has a different level of capability and will therefore allow game play to be smooth at specific settings. For example, if you have a 1080 or 1080 ti it is likely you can play at the Ultra High Setting. However, a few people are using older graphics cards such as 700 series or older and complaining about performance. Not to mention, some even have on board video! If you have integrated video it's time to start shopping for something better.

Moreover, you want to make sure your CPU is up to the task. The recommended (not minimum) CPU for this game is an intel i5 2300 or AMD FX4350 CPU. Keep in mind, just because these are recommended that does not mean you should expect flawless game play or ultra settings. Further, your CPU is the brain of your PC and must not only deal with your input, draw calls from your gpu, but also compute the network data being fed into it. This is a huge task for something like an i5 2300 CPU and may result in less than desired performance.

Before we can blame the game we need to make sure we have decent components. Here is what I would recommend for a decent ESO experience. Please remember, this is my opinion, is not the recommended or minimum requirements for the game, and is just what I think would offer you a fantastic experience.
For Intel CPU: i5 2500k OR Better

For AMD CPU: Ryzen 1600x or better

For NVIDIA GPU: GTX 980 or better

For AMD GPU: RADEON R9 290x or better

8 GB of DDR3 or better

Windows 10 64-bit (remember 64-bit is the only client for the game)

SSD or nVME drive (Samsung 850 EVO or better)

10mbps Internet Connection or better

Adequate CPU cooler and airflow to prevent throttling (Minimum Hyper 212 EVO cooler)

Please remember that my minimum suggested part is assuming you are playing at 1920 x 1080. If you increase your resolution to 1440p+ you may need even better hardware.

And when you meet that checklist and your ping is listed as 90 and framerate is sitting at your monitors refresh rate and it's the server?

I would check with your ISP and ensure your router isn't blocking ports.

Or perhaps admit that perhaps, at times, it's actually the freaking server?

Apparently, thats blasphemy.

FleetwoodSmack · April 2018

Jade1986 wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Stop making excuses, seriously, 1080 is way WAY overkill for this game, you should not need a super computer to play the game and not be constantly kicked off.

This is on their end 100% in recent times. Their servers and datacenters CANNOT handle the stress of these events, and it is shameful that they have not upgraded them.

I rarely get kicked off and the very, very few times that I do I would just attribute to 'acceptable disconnects". We're talking one every few hundred hours if not more of actually being logged in.

So what about the last 2 weeks where people are constantly getting booted on the EU servers? I guess -everyones- routers are the problem? Come on, seriously?

Every update performance gets worse.
Every event performance is out the window and the server becomes completely unstable.

This is a ZoS issue, not a user issue, in most cases.

I really feel for you guys in the EU servers. And the Oceanics that go through both NA and EU. That's honestly where I found the best documentation on latency and performance. You guys documented just about everything for issues I was having.

Knowledge · April 2018

Jade1986 wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Stop making excuses, seriously, 1080 is way WAY overkill for this game, you should not need a super computer to play the game and not be constantly kicked off.

This is on their end 100% in recent times. Their servers and datacenters CANNOT handle the stress of these events, and it is shameful that they have not upgraded them.

I rarely get kicked off and the very, very few times that I do I would just attribute to 'acceptable disconnects". We're talking one every few hundred hours if not more of actually being logged in.

So what about the last 2 weeks where people are constantly getting booted on the EU servers? I guess -everyones- routers are the problem? Come on, seriously?

That was a very localized and one time issue that is going to be rectified, I'm sure. it's only impacting EU at the moment.

Its not a one time thing. It happens -every- event when a lot of people log on. It hasnt been rectified, not once. They just wait for everyone to log off, restart the servers, and hope for the best. They need to upgrade, their is no ifs and buts about it.

I do think you're going a little overboard here. Even some of the most popular MMORPGs have issues. Network technology isn't flawless. Even World of Warcraft has issues like these. I'm sure they will rectify this with future updates.

Look at what ZOS_BrianWheeler said is coming!

Server Performance: Several requirements that were part of ability passives have been converted to server side encoded checks, which will cut down on requirements ran per ability use.

Client Performance: We have increased the amount of cpu cores used by the client which should improve framerate for players on mid to high end CPU's on PC platforms. On consoles and PC we have improved how characters are composited resulting in faster character loads and less framerate spikes.

Source

Jade1986 · April 2018

Knowledge wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Stop making excuses, seriously, 1080 is way WAY overkill for this game, you should not need a super computer to play the game and not be constantly kicked off.

This is on their end 100% in recent times. Their servers and datacenters CANNOT handle the stress of these events, and it is shameful that they have not upgraded them.

I rarely get kicked off and the very, very few times that I do I would just attribute to 'acceptable disconnects". We're talking one every few hundred hours if not more of actually being logged in.

So what about the last 2 weeks where people are constantly getting booted on the EU servers? I guess -everyones- routers are the problem? Come on, seriously?

That was a very localized and one time issue that is going to be rectified, I'm sure. it's only impacting EU at the moment.

Its not a one time thing. It happens -every- event when a lot of people log on. It hasnt been rectified, not once. They just wait for everyone to log off, restart the servers, and hope for the best. They need to upgrade, their is no ifs and buts about it.

I do think you're going a little overboard here. Even some of the most popular MMORPGs have issues. Network technology isn't flawless. Even World of Warcraft has issues like these. I'm sure they will rectify this with future updates.

Look at what ZOS_BrianWheeler said is coming!

Server Performance: Several requirements that were part of ability passives have been converted to server side encoded checks, which will cut down on requirements ran per ability use.

Client Performance: We have increased the amount of cpu cores used by the client which should improve framerate for players on mid to high end CPU's on PC platforms. On consoles and PC we have improved how characters are composited resulting in faster character loads and less framerate spikes.

Source

Ill believe it when I actually see it. This has happened every event in recent , or even not so recent history. Peak hits, server bombs out, maint, repeat. Not to mention the numerous times zos has said they made performance updates which didnt do bull plop.

Knowledge · April 2018

Jade1986 wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Stop making excuses, seriously, 1080 is way WAY overkill for this game, you should not need a super computer to play the game and not be constantly kicked off.

This is on their end 100% in recent times. Their servers and datacenters CANNOT handle the stress of these events, and it is shameful that they have not upgraded them.

I rarely get kicked off and the very, very few times that I do I would just attribute to 'acceptable disconnects". We're talking one every few hundred hours if not more of actually being logged in.

So what about the last 2 weeks where people are constantly getting booted on the EU servers? I guess -everyones- routers are the problem? Come on, seriously?

That was a very localized and one time issue that is going to be rectified, I'm sure. it's only impacting EU at the moment.

Its not a one time thing. It happens -every- event when a lot of people log on. It hasnt been rectified, not once. They just wait for everyone to log off, restart the servers, and hope for the best. They need to upgrade, their is no ifs and buts about it.

I do think you're going a little overboard here. Even some of the most popular MMORPGs have issues. Network technology isn't flawless. Even World of Warcraft has issues like these. I'm sure they will rectify this with future updates.

Look at what ZOS_BrianWheeler said is coming!

Server Performance: Several requirements that were part of ability passives have been converted to server side encoded checks, which will cut down on requirements ran per ability use.

Client Performance: We have increased the amount of cpu cores used by the client which should improve framerate for players on mid to high end CPU's on PC platforms. On consoles and PC we have improved how characters are composited resulting in faster character loads and less framerate spikes.

Source

Ill believe it when I actually see it. This has happened every event in recent , or even not so recent history. Peak hits, server bombs out, maint, repeat. Not to mention the numerous times zos has said they made performance updates which didnt do bull plop.

I just haven't experienced any of these issues you're talking about.

Jade1986 · April 2018

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Stop making excuses, seriously, 1080 is way WAY overkill for this game, you should not need a super computer to play the game and not be constantly kicked off.

This is on their end 100% in recent times. Their servers and datacenters CANNOT handle the stress of these events, and it is shameful that they have not upgraded them.

I rarely get kicked off and the very, very few times that I do I would just attribute to 'acceptable disconnects". We're talking one every few hundred hours if not more of actually being logged in.

So what about the last 2 weeks where people are constantly getting booted on the EU servers? I guess -everyones- routers are the problem? Come on, seriously?

Every update performance gets worse.
Every event performance is out the window and the server becomes completely unstable.

This is a ZoS issue, not a user issue, in most cases.

I really feel for you guys in the EU servers. And the Oceanics that go through both NA and EU. That's honestly where I found the best documentation on latency and performance. You guys documented just about everything for issues I was having.

Its funny, cuz ppl are like

" ITS YOUR ROUTER "

I dont have a router, havent had one for quite some time. Straight into the wall it is.

" ITS YOUR TECH "

What does that have to do with the connection

" ITS NOT THE SERVERS AND ITS RARE "

Yet it happens consistantly every event during peak. So I guess every time is rare now a days?

FleetwoodSmack · April 2018

Jade1986 wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

We need to make sure it's not on your end. A lot of people I've spoken to in the game have misinterpreted lag for poor performance. Not everyone is tech savvy so I have prepared a list to help you improve your gaming experience.

Before going further I play with a 1080 Ti and a Kaby Lake platform. My internet speed is about 100mbps down. My drivers are all updated and I rarely experience lag even in PVP. The multicore update should eliminate most of my lag.

Moving on, it is important that you remember that your graphics card has limitations. Everyone's GPU(Graphics Processing Unit) has a different level of capability and will therefore allow game play to be smooth at specific settings. For example, if you have a 1080 or 1080 ti it is likely you can play at the Ultra High Setting. However, a few people are using older graphics cards such as 700 series or older and complaining about performance. Not to mention, some even have on board video! If you have integrated video it's time to start shopping for something better.

Moreover, you want to make sure your CPU is up to the task. The recommended (not minimum) CPU for this game is an intel i5 2300 or AMD FX4350 CPU. Keep in mind, just because these are recommended that does not mean you should expect flawless game play or ultra settings. Further, your CPU is the brain of your PC and must not only deal with your input, draw calls from your gpu, but also compute the network data being fed into it. This is a huge task for something like an i5 2300 CPU and may result in less than desired performance.

Before we can blame the game we need to make sure we have decent components. Here is what I would recommend for a decent ESO experience. Please remember, this is my opinion, is not the recommended or minimum requirements for the game, and is just what I think would offer you a fantastic experience.
For Intel CPU: i5 2500k OR Better

For AMD CPU: Ryzen 1600x or better

For NVIDIA GPU: GTX 980 or better

For AMD GPU: RADEON R9 290x or better

8 GB of DDR3 or better

Windows 10 64-bit (remember 64-bit is the only client for the game)

SSD or nVME drive (Samsung 850 EVO or better)

10mbps Internet Connection or better

Adequate CPU cooler and airflow to prevent throttling (Minimum Hyper 212 EVO cooler)

Please remember that my minimum suggested part is assuming you are playing at 1920 x 1080. If you increase your resolution to 1440p+ you may need even better hardware.

And when you meet that checklist and your ping is listed as 90 and framerate is sitting at your monitors refresh rate and it's the server?

I would check with your ISP and ensure your router isn't blocking ports.

Or perhaps admit that perhaps, at times, it's actually the freaking server?

Apparently, thats blasphemy.

Definitely blasphemy. Just like when Morrowind went on it's first PTS cycle and people in vHoF were crashing the whole time. That wasn't a ZoS problem, that was the group's computers and routers.

rfennell_ESO · April 2018

Knowledge wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Stop making excuses, seriously, 1080 is way WAY overkill for this game, you should not need a super computer to play the game and not be constantly kicked off.

This is on their end 100% in recent times. Their servers and datacenters CANNOT handle the stress of these events, and it is shameful that they have not upgraded them.

I rarely get kicked off and the very, very few times that I do I would just attribute to 'acceptable disconnects". We're talking one every few hundred hours if not more of actually being logged in.

So what about the last 2 weeks where people are constantly getting booted on the EU servers? I guess -everyones- routers are the problem? Come on, seriously?

That was a very localized and one time issue that is going to be rectified, I'm sure. it's only impacting EU at the moment.

Its not a one time thing. It happens -every- event when a lot of people log on. It hasnt been rectified, not once. They just wait for everyone to log off, restart the servers, and hope for the best. They need to upgrade, their is no ifs and buts about it.

I do think you're going a little overboard here. Even some of the most popular MMORPGs have issues. Network technology isn't flawless. Even World of Warcraft has issues like these. I'm sure they will rectify this with future updates.

Look at what ZOS_BrianWheeler said is coming!

Server Performance: Several requirements that were part of ability passives have been converted to server side encoded checks, which will cut down on requirements ran per ability use.

Client Performance: We have increased the amount of cpu cores used by the client which should improve framerate for players on mid to high end CPU's on PC platforms. On consoles and PC we have improved how characters are composited resulting in faster character loads and less framerate spikes.

Source

Ill believe it when I actually see it. This has happened every event in recent , or even not so recent history. Peak hits, server bombs out, maint, repeat. Not to mention the numerous times zos has said they made performance updates which didnt do bull plop.

I just haven't experienced any of these issues you're talking about.

Take it from the fingers to the keyboard of those that actually have what you ironically chose as handle... No server is perfect and they can indeed be, entirely on their own, the source of lag.

Knowledge · April 2018

Jade1986 wrote: »

IndyWendieGo wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

Stop making excuses, seriously, 1080 is way WAY overkill for this game, you should not need a super computer to play the game and not be constantly kicked off.

This is on their end 100% in recent times. Their servers and datacenters CANNOT handle the stress of these events, and it is shameful that they have not upgraded them.

I rarely get kicked off and the very, very few times that I do I would just attribute to 'acceptable disconnects". We're talking one every few hundred hours if not more of actually being logged in.

So what about the last 2 weeks where people are constantly getting booted on the EU servers? I guess -everyones- routers are the problem? Come on, seriously?

Every update performance gets worse.
Every event performance is out the window and the server becomes completely unstable.

This is a ZoS issue, not a user issue, in most cases.

I really feel for you guys in the EU servers. And the Oceanics that go through both NA and EU. That's honestly where I found the best documentation on latency and performance. You guys documented just about everything for issues I was having.

Its funny, cuz ppl are like

" ITS YOUR ROUTER "

I dont have a router, havent had one for quite some time. Straight into the wall it is.

" ITS YOUR TECH "

What does that have to do with the connection

" ITS NOT THE SERVERS AND ITS RARE "

Yet it happens consistantly every event during peak. So I guess every time is rare now a days?

People with decent hardware have chimed in, in this thread stating they have good performance and no lag. I have limited to no lag. When I do lag it's usually two zergs meeting in Cyrodil and it's on occasion.

That means it's not a problem everyone is experiencing. If this was a rampant problem where every user was experiencing it then you would see a large amount of people complaining. I'm talking about the forums burning type of complaining. However, we see small amounts of users having performance issues, some have add on problems, some have issues with their ISP or hardware. This amount of people complaining is consistent with the industry standard.

Meaning, if you went over to the World of Warcraft forums you'd see a similar amount of people having performance issues or technical problems and the same goes for Final Fantasy XIV and other games in their class.

Is it possible to play with limited-to-no-lag? Yes. That means you can do something about it unless it's specifically your location.