If you could give advice to bad dps what would say?

phileunderx2 · April 2018

Stop spamming jesus beam. Lost count on the number of magplar dps that do this.

Vaoh · April 2018

BenevolentBowd wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

If you could give advice to bad dps what would say?
Don't listen to anyone telling you your dps is bad

If you could turn back time what would tell the bad dps you meet?
Keep going ...

Would you have advised them to be better players?
Sure, keep going ...

What do wish you would never see again?
Stupid forum posts about pseudo elite wet dreams

It's about self improvement.

Earlier today, I was in an Veteran PUG group attempting to do a pledge. In our group, every one was 160CP plus but there was a player doing their first Veteran pledge with non-meta build (StamDK with 2H).

We were barely past the first group when the elitist tank started bad mouthing the new guy, his skill, and his build and gear choice. Immediately, the tank initiates a vote to kick. I refused to do so because everyone has a first vet pledge and they aren't going to learn it by being kicked every time they try. So the insults continued. There was a member in the group that was offline. We couldn't find a replacement because each new person would hear the ranting of the tank and left.

The tank says "kick me or this guy. I can wait here all day, I've got Netflix. I don't need this dungeon." Eventually, the new player left.

I saved the chat log and sent the new player some gold, soul gems, and repairs with a note not to be discouraged by one of the few bad apples in the ESO Community.

This sounds exactly like what I’ve done on numerous occasions. The annoying higher CPs trying to kick the lowbies. Just yesterday I was in a situation where (before even the first pack of adds) a CP458 and CP561 wanted to kick a CP202. It was Vet Vaults of Madness, easy asf.

Then again, can you really blame these “elitists”? Some people don’t want to take 2hrs to beat Vet Fungal Grotto 1. Plus I knew better when I was a total noob to avoid queuing, because I would simply waste other people’s time and basically hope for a carry at the expense of others.

It always comes down to me carrying nearly my entire group when using Group Finder. I don’t mind..... yet what if there isn’t some super great DPS who can melt everything and carry the team’s weight? I’d say 1/2 groups would completely fail if not for me carrying the team, and that is absolutely not to brag. I hate to say that but it’s absolutely true. The reason there is this massive issue with Group Finder, is because ZOS DOES NOT TEACH PLAYERS HOW TO PLAY THE GAME. If you want to “carry your weight”, you’ll have to look online to figure out basically everything. The jump from Normal to Vet is enormous, and no tutorials exist on playing roles.

Imo, ZOS is entirely to blame for the Group Finder’s usually toxic environment.

Septimus_Magna · April 2018

Watch YT videos and educate yourself

Marabornwingrion · April 2018

Spamming with bow light attacks is not a rotation

Tasear · April 2018

Vaoh wrote: »

BenevolentBowd wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

If you could give advice to bad dps what would say?
Don't listen to anyone telling you your dps is bad

If you could turn back time what would tell the bad dps you meet?
Keep going ...

Would you have advised them to be better players?
Sure, keep going ...

What do wish you would never see again?
Stupid forum posts about pseudo elite wet dreams

It's about self improvement.

Earlier today, I was in an Veteran PUG group attempting to do a pledge. In our group, every one was 160CP plus but there was a player doing their first Veteran pledge with non-meta build (StamDK with 2H).

We were barely past the first group when the elitist tank started bad mouthing the new guy, his skill, and his build and gear choice. Immediately, the tank initiates a vote to kick. I refused to do so because everyone has a first vet pledge and they aren't going to learn it by being kicked every time they try. So the insults continued. There was a member in the group that was offline. We couldn't find a replacement because each new person would hear the ranting of the tank and left.

The tank says "kick me or this guy. I can wait here all day, I've got Netflix. I don't need this dungeon." Eventually, the new player left.

I saved the chat log and sent the new player some gold, soul gems, and repairs with a note not to be discouraged by one of the few bad apples in the ESO Community.

This sounds exactly like what I’ve done on numerous occasions. The annoying higher CPs trying to kick the lowbies. Just yesterday I was in a situation where (before even the first pack of adds) a CP458 and CP561 wanted to kick a CP202. It was Vet Vaults of Madness, easy asf.

Then again, can you really blame these “elitists”? Some people don’t want to take 2hrs to beat Vet Fungal Grotto 1. Plus I knew better when I was a total noob to avoid queuing, because I would simply waste other people’s time and basically hope for a carry at the expense of others.

It always comes down to me carrying nearly my entire group when using Group Finder. I don’t mind..... yet what if there isn’t some super great DPS who can melt everything and carry the team’s weight? I’d say 1/2 groups would completely fail if not for me carrying the team, and that is absolutely not to brag. I hate to say that but it’s absolutely true. The reason there is this massive issue with Group Finder, is because ZOS DOES NOT TEACH PLAYERS HOW TO PLAY THE GAME. If you want to “carry your weight”, you’ll have to look online to figure out basically everything. The jump from Normal to Vet is enormous, and no tutorials exist on playing roles.

Imo, ZOS is entirely to blame for the Group Finder’s usually toxic environment.

My hope is beyond tutorial we have combat related quests one day. It would also help if there were better ways to teach people. My thoughts are housing items. Something to save champion points allocations for guildmates to look at. Or a teaching test dummy.

jnelson1182 · April 2018

Coming from a new player as well I would say the easiest ways to boost dps is make sure u r running the right gear, weapons, mundus, glyphs and last but not least make sure to have a decent bar setup that compliments the gear your running as much as possible. If you are like me and our having problems getting kicked out of dungeons before the first pull of anything the best advice I can give is to keep pushing getting cp higher and higher, also learn the fights that way id u are weak but allowed to attempt the run at least you know what to do inorder to stay alive, somethings even if dmg is low but u r able to stay alive entire time with no problem often times people will let u stay in dungeon, I noticed that often its low dps who also don't know the fights and force wipe after wipe by not listening that I agree to kick,

Tasear · April 2018

jnelson1182 wrote: »

Coming from a new player as well I would say the easiest ways to boost dps is make sure u r running the right gear, weapons, mundus, glyphs and last but not least make sure to have a decent bar setup that compliments the gear your running as much as possible. If you are like me and our having problems getting kicked out of dungeons before the first pull of anything the best advice I can give is to keep pushing getting cp higher and higher, also learn the fights that way id u are weak but allowed to attempt the run at least you know what to do inorder to stay alive, somethings even if dmg is low but u r able to stay alive entire time with no problem often times people will let u stay in dungeon, I noticed that often its low dps who also don't know the fights and force wipe after wipe by not listening that I agree to kick,

Thanks for your sincere advice from a new player perspective.

adeptusminor · April 2018

Practice. Go to a target dummy and practice your rotation until you can do it in your sleep. Practice keeping your DoT's up 100% of the time. In a dungeon/trial setting you are going to be moving around and dodging, and if you can't keep your rotation and DoT's going on a non-moving target, you are going to have a hard time in a live situation.

Just remembered something. Your light attacks go off when you release the mouse button, not when you press it. It's helpful to know that for weaving to get the timing down.

Vaoh · April 2018

Tasear wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

BenevolentBowd wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

If you could give advice to bad dps what would say?
Don't listen to anyone telling you your dps is bad

If you could turn back time what would tell the bad dps you meet?
Keep going ...

Would you have advised them to be better players?
Sure, keep going ...

What do wish you would never see again?
Stupid forum posts about pseudo elite wet dreams

It's about self improvement.

Earlier today, I was in an Veteran PUG group attempting to do a pledge. In our group, every one was 160CP plus but there was a player doing their first Veteran pledge with non-meta build (StamDK with 2H).

We were barely past the first group when the elitist tank started bad mouthing the new guy, his skill, and his build and gear choice. Immediately, the tank initiates a vote to kick. I refused to do so because everyone has a first vet pledge and they aren't going to learn it by being kicked every time they try. So the insults continued. There was a member in the group that was offline. We couldn't find a replacement because each new person would hear the ranting of the tank and left.

The tank says "kick me or this guy. I can wait here all day, I've got Netflix. I don't need this dungeon." Eventually, the new player left.

I saved the chat log and sent the new player some gold, soul gems, and repairs with a note not to be discouraged by one of the few bad apples in the ESO Community.

This sounds exactly like what I’ve done on numerous occasions. The annoying higher CPs trying to kick the lowbies. Just yesterday I was in a situation where (before even the first pack of adds) a CP458 and CP561 wanted to kick a CP202. It was Vet Vaults of Madness, easy asf.

Then again, can you really blame these “elitists”? Some people don’t want to take 2hrs to beat Vet Fungal Grotto 1. Plus I knew better when I was a total noob to avoid queuing, because I would simply waste other people’s time and basically hope for a carry at the expense of others.

It always comes down to me carrying nearly my entire group when using Group Finder. I don’t mind..... yet what if there isn’t some super great DPS who can melt everything and carry the team’s weight? I’d say 1/2 groups would completely fail if not for me carrying the team, and that is absolutely not to brag. I hate to say that but it’s absolutely true. The reason there is this massive issue with Group Finder, is because ZOS DOES NOT TEACH PLAYERS HOW TO PLAY THE GAME. If you want to “carry your weight”, you’ll have to look online to figure out basically everything. The jump from Normal to Vet is enormous, and no tutorials exist on playing roles.

Imo, ZOS is entirely to blame for the Group Finder’s usually toxic environment.

My hope is beyond tutorial we have combat related quests one day. It would also help if there were better ways to teach people. My thoughts are housing items. Something to save champion points allocations for guildmates to look at. Or a teaching test dummy.

I really do think a tutorial would go a very long way to helping people understand the game.

All Tutorials could have Normal and Vet versions.

DPS would be to kill a bunch of targets in a given time period, while also avoid certain easy mechanics.
Healer would be to keep your NPC allies alive who are taking heavy damage, and to main high uptime on specific buffs/debuffs.
Tanks would taunt enemies and maintain buffs/debuffs.

Stuff like that. Tutorials that tell you light attack spam won't cut it in vCoS.

Tasear · April 2018

Vaoh wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

BenevolentBowd wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

If you could give advice to bad dps what would say?
Don't listen to anyone telling you your dps is bad

If you could turn back time what would tell the bad dps you meet?
Keep going ...

Would you have advised them to be better players?
Sure, keep going ...

What do wish you would never see again?
Stupid forum posts about pseudo elite wet dreams

It's about self improvement.

Earlier today, I was in an Veteran PUG group attempting to do a pledge. In our group, every one was 160CP plus but there was a player doing their first Veteran pledge with non-meta build (StamDK with 2H).

We were barely past the first group when the elitist tank started bad mouthing the new guy, his skill, and his build and gear choice. Immediately, the tank initiates a vote to kick. I refused to do so because everyone has a first vet pledge and they aren't going to learn it by being kicked every time they try. So the insults continued. There was a member in the group that was offline. We couldn't find a replacement because each new person would hear the ranting of the tank and left.

The tank says "kick me or this guy. I can wait here all day, I've got Netflix. I don't need this dungeon." Eventually, the new player left.

I saved the chat log and sent the new player some gold, soul gems, and repairs with a note not to be discouraged by one of the few bad apples in the ESO Community.

This sounds exactly like what I’ve done on numerous occasions. The annoying higher CPs trying to kick the lowbies. Just yesterday I was in a situation where (before even the first pack of adds) a CP458 and CP561 wanted to kick a CP202. It was Vet Vaults of Madness, easy asf.

Then again, can you really blame these “elitists”? Some people don’t want to take 2hrs to beat Vet Fungal Grotto 1. Plus I knew better when I was a total noob to avoid queuing, because I would simply waste other people’s time and basically hope for a carry at the expense of others.

It always comes down to me carrying nearly my entire group when using Group Finder. I don’t mind..... yet what if there isn’t some super great DPS who can melt everything and carry the team’s weight? I’d say 1/2 groups would completely fail if not for me carrying the team, and that is absolutely not to brag. I hate to say that but it’s absolutely true. The reason there is this massive issue with Group Finder, is because ZOS DOES NOT TEACH PLAYERS HOW TO PLAY THE GAME. If you want to “carry your weight”, you’ll have to look online to figure out basically everything. The jump from Normal to Vet is enormous, and no tutorials exist on playing roles.

Imo, ZOS is entirely to blame for the Group Finder’s usually toxic environment.

My hope is beyond tutorial we have combat related quests one day. It would also help if there were better ways to teach people. My thoughts are housing items. Something to save champion points allocations for guildmates to look at. Or a teaching test dummy.

I really do think a tutorial would go a very long way to helping people understand the game.

All Tutorials could have Normal and Vet versions.

DPS would be to kill a bunch of targets in a given time period, while also avoid certain easy mechanics.
Healer would be to keep your NPC allies alive who are taking heavy damage, and to main high uptime on specific buffs/debuffs.
Tanks would taunt enemies and maintain buffs/debuffs.

Stuff like that. Tutorials that tell you light attack spam won't cut it in vCoS.

My thinking is they don't want to limit our experiences and creativity so less is more kind of thing. So that's why I go a direction in player guilds so people still have a choice and builds up the overall health of the game.

Anotherone773 · April 2018

Tasear wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

BenevolentBowd wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

If you could give advice to bad dps what would say?
Don't listen to anyone telling you your dps is bad

If you could turn back time what would tell the bad dps you meet?
Keep going ...

Would you have advised them to be better players?
Sure, keep going ...

What do wish you would never see again?
Stupid forum posts about pseudo elite wet dreams

It's about self improvement.

Earlier today, I was in an Veteran PUG group attempting to do a pledge. In our group, every one was 160CP plus but there was a player doing their first Veteran pledge with non-meta build (StamDK with 2H).

We were barely past the first group when the elitist tank started bad mouthing the new guy, his skill, and his build and gear choice. Immediately, the tank initiates a vote to kick. I refused to do so because everyone has a first vet pledge and they aren't going to learn it by being kicked every time they try. So the insults continued. There was a member in the group that was offline. We couldn't find a replacement because each new person would hear the ranting of the tank and left.

The tank says "kick me or this guy. I can wait here all day, I've got Netflix. I don't need this dungeon." Eventually, the new player left.

I saved the chat log and sent the new player some gold, soul gems, and repairs with a note not to be discouraged by one of the few bad apples in the ESO Community.

This sounds exactly like what I’ve done on numerous occasions. The annoying higher CPs trying to kick the lowbies. Just yesterday I was in a situation where (before even the first pack of adds) a CP458 and CP561 wanted to kick a CP202. It was Vet Vaults of Madness, easy asf.

Then again, can you really blame these “elitists”? Some people don’t want to take 2hrs to beat Vet Fungal Grotto 1. Plus I knew better when I was a total noob to avoid queuing, because I would simply waste other people’s time and basically hope for a carry at the expense of others.

It always comes down to me carrying nearly my entire group when using Group Finder. I don’t mind..... yet what if there isn’t some super great DPS who can melt everything and carry the team’s weight? I’d say 1/2 groups would completely fail if not for me carrying the team, and that is absolutely not to brag. I hate to say that but it’s absolutely true. The reason there is this massive issue with Group Finder, is because ZOS DOES NOT TEACH PLAYERS HOW TO PLAY THE GAME. If you want to “carry your weight”, you’ll have to look online to figure out basically everything. The jump from Normal to Vet is enormous, and no tutorials exist on playing roles.

Imo, ZOS is entirely to blame for the Group Finder’s usually toxic environment.

My hope is beyond tutorial we have combat related quests one day. It would also help if there were better ways to teach people. My thoughts are housing items. Something to save champion points allocations for guildmates to look at. Or a teaching test dummy.

I really do think a tutorial would go a very long way to helping people understand the game.

All Tutorials could have Normal and Vet versions.

DPS would be to kill a bunch of targets in a given time period, while also avoid certain easy mechanics.
Healer would be to keep your NPC allies alive who are taking heavy damage, and to main high uptime on specific buffs/debuffs.
Tanks would taunt enemies and maintain buffs/debuffs.

Stuff like that. Tutorials that tell you light attack spam won't cut it in vCoS.

My thinking is they don't want to limit our experiences and creativity so less is more kind of thing. So that's why I go a direction in player guilds so people still have a choice and builds up the overall health of the game.

The biggest problems for new players isnt any technical issues within the game such as mechanics, what gear to wear what abilities to use, etc. The biggest problems for new/average players is toxic elite players that think everyone should play their way or get kicked out of the group they PUGGED. This is probably the worst in game community in relation to vets that ive ever seen in my entire time gaming. It actually puts me off this game far more than anything ZOS does and i may very well quit because of that before i quit of boredom or because of something ZOS did/does. I dont need all that negative toxicity in my life and when it starts to rub off on me, im out of here.

And thats really sad because ive never said that about an in game community and i played WoW where everyone complains and Eve where every vet is bitter. The vets here take it to a whole new level that far surpasses anything ive seen in a game community.

Vaoh · April 2018

Tasear wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

BenevolentBowd wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

If you could give advice to bad dps what would say?
Don't listen to anyone telling you your dps is bad

If you could turn back time what would tell the bad dps you meet?
Keep going ...

Would you have advised them to be better players?
Sure, keep going ...

What do wish you would never see again?
Stupid forum posts about pseudo elite wet dreams

It's about self improvement.

Earlier today, I was in an Veteran PUG group attempting to do a pledge. In our group, every one was 160CP plus but there was a player doing their first Veteran pledge with non-meta build (StamDK with 2H).

We were barely past the first group when the elitist tank started bad mouthing the new guy, his skill, and his build and gear choice. Immediately, the tank initiates a vote to kick. I refused to do so because everyone has a first vet pledge and they aren't going to learn it by being kicked every time they try. So the insults continued. There was a member in the group that was offline. We couldn't find a replacement because each new person would hear the ranting of the tank and left.

The tank says "kick me or this guy. I can wait here all day, I've got Netflix. I don't need this dungeon." Eventually, the new player left.

I saved the chat log and sent the new player some gold, soul gems, and repairs with a note not to be discouraged by one of the few bad apples in the ESO Community.

This sounds exactly like what I’ve done on numerous occasions. The annoying higher CPs trying to kick the lowbies. Just yesterday I was in a situation where (before even the first pack of adds) a CP458 and CP561 wanted to kick a CP202. It was Vet Vaults of Madness, easy asf.

Then again, can you really blame these “elitists”? Some people don’t want to take 2hrs to beat Vet Fungal Grotto 1. Plus I knew better when I was a total noob to avoid queuing, because I would simply waste other people’s time and basically hope for a carry at the expense of others.

It always comes down to me carrying nearly my entire group when using Group Finder. I don’t mind..... yet what if there isn’t some super great DPS who can melt everything and carry the team’s weight? I’d say 1/2 groups would completely fail if not for me carrying the team, and that is absolutely not to brag. I hate to say that but it’s absolutely true. The reason there is this massive issue with Group Finder, is because ZOS DOES NOT TEACH PLAYERS HOW TO PLAY THE GAME. If you want to “carry your weight”, you’ll have to look online to figure out basically everything. The jump from Normal to Vet is enormous, and no tutorials exist on playing roles.

Imo, ZOS is entirely to blame for the Group Finder’s usually toxic environment.

My hope is beyond tutorial we have combat related quests one day. It would also help if there were better ways to teach people. My thoughts are housing items. Something to save champion points allocations for guildmates to look at. Or a teaching test dummy.

I really do think a tutorial would go a very long way to helping people understand the game.

All Tutorials could have Normal and Vet versions.

DPS would be to kill a bunch of targets in a given time period, while also avoid certain easy mechanics.
Healer would be to keep your NPC allies alive who are taking heavy damage, and to main high uptime on specific buffs/debuffs.
Tanks would taunt enemies and maintain buffs/debuffs.

Stuff like that. Tutorials that tell you light attack spam won't cut it in vCoS.

My thinking is they don't want to limit our experiences and creativity so less is more kind of thing. So that's why I go a direction in player guilds so people still have a choice and builds up the overall health of the game.

But then Group Finder leads to the messy environment it’s currently in where no one is happy. It forces players who have been taught they can light attack everything to death (by *all* Overland content) to take up a group role they cannot possibly fulfil, nor intend to. Then others in group get mad at them -> kick. Or the groups wipe and disband. Neither of those scenarios are favorable. Then ppl are more hesitant to use Group Finder and in the end it just becomes a toxic environment especially toward lowbies.

I’ve gotten good groups before, but the majority of the time they are bad, and so essentially I carry them. This is fine and I don’t mind but it always confuses me why there is no Tutorial. It doesn’t even have to be mandatory - just having Tutorial options provides the opportunity for players to have the chance to improve without having to watch tons of YouTube vids that tell them how to play. I would’ve loved to have tutorials when I was new.

Gnortranermara · April 2018

Vaoh wrote: »

This sounds exactly like what I’ve done on numerous occasions. The annoying higher CPs trying to kick the lowbies. Just yesterday I was in a situation where (before even the first pack of adds) a CP458 and CP561 wanted to kick a CP202. It was Vet Vaults of Madness, easy asf.

Then again, can you really blame these “elitists”?

I think you misdiagnosed that situation. Those guy weren't elitists. Any elite player would yawn and blast through vet VoM with one hand and eat their Cheetos with the other. Elite players have the confidence to know they can carry a 202 through there no problem. An elitist would think, "oh well, at least we have an extra hand along for the ride. He won't contribute much but I can sleepwalk through this anyway." Those were guys who struggle with the game, barely complete content, and were uncertain of their abilities. They want someone of their skill level or better because they're barely capable of it themselves. They're thinking: "I don't know if I can carry this dude and even if I can it'll be far more trouble than I'm willing to endure." Honestly, there's nothing wrong with that. They should've waited until after the first few pulls to see how it went, but that's probably where their head was at.

Zagnut123Zagnut123 · April 2018

If ppl ask I give it otherwise I just carry on. Every time in the past that I've tried to offer help it was met with immediate regret. In the end we all play for different reasons some to be the best some to explore and others for the community alot of time we assume other ppl have the same motivations we have and that's rarely the case.

Zagnut123Zagnut123 · April 2018

SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

This sounds exactly like what I’ve done on numerous occasions. The annoying higher CPs trying to kick the lowbies. Just yesterday I was in a situation where (before even the first pack of adds) a CP458 and CP561 wanted to kick a CP202. It was Vet Vaults of Madness, easy asf.

Then again, can you really blame these “elitists”?

I think you misdiagnosed that situation. Those guy weren't elitists. Any elite player would yawn and blast through vet VoM with one hand and eat their Cheetos with the other. Elite players have the confidence to know they can carry a 202 through there no problem. An elitist would think, "oh well, at least we have an extra hand along for the ride. He won't contribute much but I can sleepwalk through this anyway." Those were guys who struggle with the game, barely complete content, and were uncertain of their abilities. They want someone of their skill level or better because they're barely capable of it themselves. They're thinking: "I don't know if I can carry this dude and even if I can it'll be far more trouble than I'm willing to endure." Honestly, there's nothing wrong with that. They should've waited until after the first few pulls to see how it went, but that's probably where their head was at.

100 percent agree. Idk were this notion of elitist kicking ppl for being to low in fact a favorite thing of mine and my friends wen we have spare time to get a low cp player and teach them dlc 4 mans and get them clears and skins. No end game player worth there salt would kick a low cp player and if they did they ought to be embarrassed.

boombazookajd · April 2018

Yinmaigao wrote: »

If you are not a tank and draw aggro, stand still.

Above everything, this.

Next, to use actual skills and not spam light attacks.

MehrunesFlagon · April 2018

Tasear wrote: »

If you could turn back time what would tell the bad dps you meet?

Would you have advised them to be better players?

What do wish you would never see again?

I tend to have 50% rate of them wanting to bite my damn head off when I tell that something doesn't work well for their class.It is really situational upon what you see them doing.

MehrunesFlagon · April 2018

Reverb wrote: »

Stop with the gap closers, those are not meant to be dps skills.

If you have anything on your bar with a long cast time, take it off (endless hail is an exception, never take that off your bow bar).

Learn to weave.

if you swap cancel it right. it isn't long at all.

MehrunesFlagon · April 2018

phileunderx2 wrote: »

Stop spamming jesus beam. Lost count on the number of magplar dps that do this.

that combined with soul assault is even worse.

MehrunesFlagon · April 2018

SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

This sounds exactly like what I’ve done on numerous occasions. The annoying higher CPs trying to kick the lowbies. Just yesterday I was in a situation where (before even the first pack of adds) a CP458 and CP561 wanted to kick a CP202. It was Vet Vaults of Madness, easy asf.

Then again, can you really blame these “elitists”?

I think you misdiagnosed that situation. Those guy weren't elitists. Any elite player would yawn and blast through vet VoM with one hand and eat their Cheetos with the other. Elite players have the confidence to know they can carry a 202 through there no problem. An elitist would think, "oh well, at least we have an extra hand along for the ride. He won't contribute much but I can sleepwalk through this anyway." Those were guys who struggle with the game, barely complete content, and were uncertain of their abilities. They want someone of their skill level or better because they're barely capable of it themselves. They're thinking: "I don't know if I can carry this dude and even if I can it'll be far more trouble than I'm willing to endure." Honestly, there's nothing wrong with that. They should've waited until after the first few pulls to see how it went, but that's probably where their head was at.

I have to disagree with the first line.You know how many times I've fallen off in that place?It' s ridiculous. Although this is talking about certain sections of that dungeon of course.

SirMewser · April 2018

SirAndy wrote: »

If you could give advice to bad dps what would say?
Don't listen to anyone telling you your dps is bad

If you could turn back time what would tell the bad dps you meet?
Keep going ...

Would you have advised them to be better players?
Sure, keep going ...

What do wish you would never see again?
Stupid forum posts about pseudo elite wet dreams

I get where this is coming from and I am not disagreeing, but the intent of this forum post wasn't to promote elitism...

I am sure even you have experienced a learning curve as it is expected with any game, as there are people who are very acknowledged and supportive of newcomers.

There is a difference from someone who is encouraging, to another who is a toxic elite you described.
Then there are the people who seek for that help and want to accomplish self-improvement, as fulfillment is a natural thing in life and it can feel great!

Shantu · April 2018

Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »

100 percent agree. Idk were this notion of elitist kicking ppl for being to low in fact a favorite thing of mine and my friends wen we have spare time to get a low cp player and teach them dlc 4 mans and get them clears and skins. No end game player worth there salt would kick a low cp player and if they did they ought to be embarrassed.

SirMewser wrote: »

I get where this is coming from and I am not disagreeing, but the intent of this forum post wasn't to promote elitism...
I am sure even you have experienced a learning curve as it is expected with any game, as there are people who are very acknowledged and supportive of newcomers.

There is a difference from someone who is encouraging, to another who is a toxic elite you described.
Then there are the people who seek for that help and want to accomplish self-improvement, fulfillment is a natural thing in life and it can feel great!

I really wish people like you guys where easy to find in the game. I have worked hard to increase my dps, even started a great thread about it (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/396041/40k-on-a-test-dummy/p1). I learned a lot from the good people who contributed to that conversation. But despite having max CP, good crafted gear, proper damage enchants, pots, and a lot of effort, I can't seem to get past 24K on a 3 mil. On a normal dungeon boss my dps might range from 10k to 22k depending on group dynamics and what kind of boss mechanics I'm dealing with. I admit my meritocracy and to being a little thin-skinned. I take it pretty hard when I get kicked without a word, despite working my ass off to contribute. While I would love to progress to end game content, as a result, I don't even attempt vet content anymore. It's hard to find a consistent group that is tolerant and willing to slow down enough to take the time instruct and work together. Pugs, for well known reasons, leave me feeling like "What the hell! This is supposed to be fun?!?" I'd be first in line if ZOS offered some kind of structured dungeon tutorial(s).

As to the OP's question, I would encourage one to be honest about their ability, ask questions, take advice, be willing to work hard to improve, and toughen your skin against a barrage of animus you'll need to endure to get there.

Zagnut123Zagnut123 · April 2018

Shantu wrote: »

Zagnut123Zagnut123 wrote: »

100 percent agree. Idk were this notion of elitist kicking ppl for being to low in fact a favorite thing of mine and my friends wen we have spare time to get a low cp player and teach them dlc 4 mans and get them clears and skins. No end game player worth there salt would kick a low cp player and if they did they ought to be embarrassed.

SirMewser wrote: »

I get where this is coming from and I am not disagreeing, but the intent of this forum post wasn't to promote elitism...
I am sure even you have experienced a learning curve as it is expected with any game, as there are people who are very acknowledged and supportive of newcomers.

There is a difference from someone who is encouraging, to another who is a toxic elite you described.
Then there are the people who seek for that help and want to accomplish self-improvement, fulfillment is a natural thing in life and it can feel great!

I really wish people like you guys where easy to find in the game. I have worked hard to increase my dps, even started a great thread about it (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/396041/40k-on-a-test-dummy/p1). I learned a lot from the good people who contributed to that conversation. But despite having max CP, good crafted gear, proper damage enchants, pots, and a lot of effort, I can't seem to get past 24K on a 3 mil. On a normal dungeon boss my dps might range from 10k to 22k depending on group dynamics and what kind of boss mechanics I'm dealing with. I admit my meritocracy and to being a little thin-skinned. I take it pretty hard when I get kicked without a word, despite working my ass off to contribute. While I would love to progress to end game content, as a result, I don't even attempt vet content anymore. It's hard to find a consistent group that is tolerant and willing to slow down enough to take the time instruct and work together. Pugs, for well known reasons, leave me feeling like "What the hell! This is supposed to be fun?!?" I'd be first in line if ZOS offered some kind of structured dungeon tutorial(s).

As to the OP's question, I would encourage one to be honest about their ability, ask questions, take advice, be willing to work hard to improve, and toughen your skin against a barrage of animus you'll need to endure to get there.

What platform and server are you I'd be willing to break down rotations for you and what sets to use and how to continue dpsing through sustained incoming damage. I'm pc na lemme know if your interested.

kylewwefan · April 2018

If you want to be a stamina DPS, or a tank or a healer, you must go to Cyrodil and get “PvP Skills”. No getting around it. You need Vigor, Caltrops, Warhorn, Barrier etc.

20k+ wrecking blow tool tip is not 20k DPS.

Use ultimates frequently.

There is no shame in running normal content until you’re ready for vet. Running vet before you’re ready leads to much unpleasant experiences.

Sparr0w · April 2018

Git Gud

Sparr0w · April 2018

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

Reverb wrote: »

Stop with the gap closers, those are not meant to be dps skills.

If you have anything on your bar with a long cast time, take it off (endless hail is an exception, never take that off your bow bar).

Learn to weave.

if you swap cancel it right. it isn't long at all.

The skill is basically instant, if you swap cancel it right you can cancel it instantly skipping every part of the animation (the arrow just pops out of your head)

Advice I'd give is to learn about armour sets, heck I didn't know about 5 pieces until cp100 ish, was literally using the best armour I picked up (despite being heavy, light or medium). Stam = 5 piece Medium, Mag = light, Tank = heavy.
Passives are a must, no point having 50+ skills if you can only use 10 of them.
Use light or heavy attacks between every skill, or on the other end of the spectrum, use skills between every light or heavy attack.
Keep your buffs up & practice rotation. Even just keeping buffs and AoE's up while heavy attacking for resources will net you 15-20k. You can only improve from there.
Use yer food. Seriously it's a free 3-5k resource and/or regen, why wouldn't you want it?
Look at other people's builds as a baseline for skills etc... they're well known for a reason.
Don't be afraid to ask for help & most importantly don't give up!

Priyasekarssk · April 2018

Tasear wrote: »

If you could turn back time what would tell the bad dps you meet?

Would you have advised them to be better players?

What do wish you would never see again?

25K to 30K sustained is sufficient. Rest is all about survival unless you are aiming for world top 10 trial groups.
10K extra health is far better than 5K extra dps.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · April 2018

My advice is always the same.

Step One: Don't reinvent the wheel. Take a proven meta build, and see where it can be simplified to make nice clean, simple, and circular rotation.

Step Two: Practice.

There is no step three.

fred4 · April 2018

SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »

Items: Run FULL damage sets (not bits and pieces of this and that) of the appropriate weight (light for magicka DPS, medium for stam DPS) and traits (all divines) and enchants (all max damage stat). Put ALL attribute points into your damage stat - don't try to be a DPS hybrid. Run the correct weapon trait and damage enchantment for your build. Enchant your jewels to damage instead of recovery. Improve everything to gold, especially your weapons.

Skills: Run a proper rotation: you should regularly push the same buttons in the same order. Buffs, DoTs, then a spammable until it's time to refresh things (depending on the timers). All DPS abilities should be properly morphed to use the correct damage stat. Spend the time to level up your skills all the way.

CP: allocate CP for maximum damage. You can find builds online with a proper distribution or ask an experienced player.

Do NOT queue for vet dungeons until you are past the gear cap (CP160) and hitting a MINIMUM of 20k dps. Otherwise you are nothing but dead weight and absolutely deserve to be kicked from a vet dungeon group. Don't get salty if other people don't want to spend their time and effort carrying you.

This reply may be appropriate for vet DLC dungeons and vet trials. On the whole I find it a little extreme. In particular I would only gold out the weapons, but not the gear, unless I was extremely rich. Purple is OK for gear, but I would use gold quality enchants. Gold gear will marginally improve your damage. It won't take you to the next level, if your rotation is crap. I also think anything from 12K single-target DPS is fine for non-DLC veteran dungeons, even something like City of Ash II, which is a DPS race.

fred4 · April 2018

kikkehs wrote: »

My first question would be what the persons goals are. You dont need the same amount of DPS for Normals, Vets or trials.

I think this is very important and often forgotten. Does the person even want to improve their PvE skills? Perhaps they just need Undaunted Mettle, a shoulder piece, or a transmute crystal. Perhaps they are a PvPer, and they only do it for Mettle. Perhaps they are farming a set. Perhaps they just want to have some fun. Perhaps they are tired after a long day, and that day is not the day they want to hear about their lacking DPS, when it's actually OK for the normal or non-DLC dungeon that they're doing.