If you could give advice to bad dps what would say?

Tasear

If you could turn back time what would tell the bad dps you meet?

Would you have advised them to be better players?

What do wish you would never see again?

Reverb

Stop with the gap closers, those are not meant to be dps skills.

If you have anything on your bar with a long cast time, take it off (endless hail is an exception, never take that off your bow bar).

Learn to weave.

Tasear

Reverb wrote: »

Stop with the gap closers, those are not meant to be dps skills.

If you have anything on your bar with a long cast time, take it off (endless hail is an exception, never take that off your bow bar).

Learn to weave.

Any basic advice I see some people not even hit 10k dps.

Yinmaigao

Light attack is only for chaining before skill press.
If you want to be dps; specialize in stamina or magicka, dont split points. Also, don't mix magic/stam weapons.
Pay attention to skills & morphs. Don't spam garbage abilities.
If you are a tank, slot a taunt.
If you are not a tank and draw aggro, stand still.
If there is red stuff on the ground, don't stand in it.
If there are adds, kill them first.

VaranisArano

The trifocus passive makes your ice staff heavy attack into a taunt.

Horowonnoe

I advise those that want help and have the drive to improve.
Those that don't - well i simply finish carrying them through whatever dungeon it is the Q pugged us together in and then forget them and never see them again.

Tasear

Horowonnoe wrote: »

I advise those that want help and have the drive to improve.
Those that don't - well i simply finish carrying them through whatever dungeon it is the Q pugged us together in and then forget them and never see them again.

How do know who wants help? Maybe they think this all I can do?

Gnortranermara

Items: Run FULL damage sets (not bits and pieces of this and that) of the appropriate weight (light for magicka DPS, medium for stam DPS) and traits (all divines) and enchants (all max damage stat). Put ALL attribute points into your damage stat - don't try to be a DPS hybrid. Run the correct weapon trait and damage enchantment for your build. Enchant your jewels to damage instead of recovery. Improve everything to gold, especially your weapons.

Skills: Run a proper rotation: you should regularly push the same buttons in the same order. Buffs, DoTs, then a spammable until it's time to refresh things (depending on the timers). All DPS abilities should be properly morphed to use the correct damage stat. Spend the time to level up your skills all the way.

CP: allocate CP for maximum damage. You can find builds online with a proper distribution or ask an experienced player.

Do NOT queue for vet dungeons until you are past the gear cap (CP160) and hitting a MINIMUM of 20k dps. Otherwise you are nothing but dead weight and absolutely deserve to be kicked from a vet dungeon group. Don't get salty if other people don't want to spend their time and effort carrying you.

Horowonnoe

Tasear wrote: »

Horowonnoe wrote: »

I advise those that want help and have the drive to improve.
Those that don't - well i simply finish carrying them through whatever dungeon it is the Q pugged us together in and then forget them and never see them again.

How do know who wants help? Maybe they think this all I can do?

Sometimes they will say something in group. Or i will say something and they will be receptive and open to advice. If so - i help them in DMs. Or if i see potential i will ask them what it is they are interested in doing in this game. And in that way i have found some friends, some of the people i found in a pug that used to be hopeless (or thought they were) are now really good raiders gracing the trials leaderboards : )

Anotherone773

*If you want your healer to heal you... maybe kill the 12 melee adds beating the holy *** out of him instead of that random ranged one 30m away. Then you might also live long enough to kill something.

*Spend less time running around and more time pushing buttons. This isnt pvp.

* Ultimates... its ok to use them. Dont be afraid to push the button.

* In a group with a healer you dont need to hit heal abilities. Stop wasting time and resources on them. If you die, it was likely because you were standing in stupid, you decided to run to the other side of the room as if i was going to bite you, or you ignored mechanics.

*If you got debuffs or buffs use them they not only help you but usually help the group. Learn what buffs are given by other builds and what you need to do to get them. For example, you can get a 8% damage buff by standing in front of a heal sorc, not 20m behind them.

* if you healer is standing in the big red circle, you can probably also stand in the big red circle. It means they are confident they can heal through it. Dont waste time and resources rolling out of the way.

*Penetration, get some. Its important when fighting bosses.

*Despite what some players say, having old gear is bad. You lose a significant amount of its effect from being outdated.

Tasear

Oh yes post above inspired me,

Please dps proc storm annotach from sorcs dps or healer. That 25% buff to your damage for 8 secs.

smacx250

Don't worry - be happy!

Runefang

Gear up with 2 full damage sets.

If your dps is under 15k then forget rotations. Activate all your buffs then press light attack and force pulse over and over again. When you run out of resources heavy attack. KISS until you're capable of spamming effectively.

yake82

I keep telling low dps players to look builds from tamrielfoundry.com

saf227_ESO

Learn your rotation. SLOW DOWN. Be sure to get your light attack weave in. There's a global cool down that you can't beat, so stop trying to mash buttons so fast. (This was me)

SydneyGrey

My advice to DPS in dungeons ...
Don't be that one person who stands WAAAAYYY back from the group using a bow or staff. I can't heal you when you're over there. If there are two people who are sticking together, and you're way off by yourself, guess who's not going to get healed?

Tasear

yake82 wrote: »

I keep telling low dps players to look builds from tamrielfoundry.com

Which builds do you think are helpful to new players or low dps?

Morgul667

Dots on back bar, spammable on main bar

Switch evey 8 seconds

Dont spam one skill

SirAndy

If you could give advice to bad dps what would say?
Don't listen to anyone telling you your dps is bad

If you could turn back time what would tell the bad dps you meet?
Keep going ...

Would you have advised them to be better players?
Sure, keep going ...

What do wish you would never see again?
Stupid forum posts about pseudo elite wet dreams

Tasear

SirAndy wrote: »

If you could give advice to bad dps what would say?
Don't listen to anyone telling you your dps is bad

If you could turn back time what would tell the bad dps you meet?
Keep going ...

Would you have advised them to be better players?
Sure, keep going ...

What do wish you would never see again?
Stupid forum posts about pseudo elite wet dreams

It's about self improvement.

yake82

Tasear wrote: »

yake82 wrote: »

I keep telling low dps players to look builds from tamrielfoundry.com

Which builds do you think are helpful to new players or low dps?

If they cannot figure it out themselves, they are beyond help.

Tasear

yake82 wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

yake82 wrote: »

I keep telling low dps players to look builds from tamrielfoundry.com

Which builds do you think are helpful to new players or low dps?

If they cannot figure it out themselves, they are beyond help.

Guess so maybe there's some good ones to mention.

BenevolentBowd

Tasear wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

If you could give advice to bad dps what would say?
Don't listen to anyone telling you your dps is bad

If you could turn back time what would tell the bad dps you meet?
Keep going ...

Would you have advised them to be better players?
Sure, keep going ...

What do wish you would never see again?
Stupid forum posts about pseudo elite wet dreams

It's about self improvement.

Earlier today, I was in an Veteran PUG group attempting to do a pledge. In our group, every one was 160CP plus but there was a player doing their first Veteran pledge with non-meta build (StamDK with 2H).

We were barely past the first group when the elitist tank started bad mouthing the new guy, his skill, and his build and gear choice. Immediately, the tank initiates a vote to kick. I refused to do so because everyone has a first vet pledge and they aren't going to learn it by being kicked every time they try. So the insults continued. There was a member in the group that was offline. We couldn't find a replacement because each new person would hear the ranting of the tank and left.

The tank says "kick me or this guy. I can wait here all day, I've got Netflix. I don't need this dungeon." Eventually, the new player left.

I saved the chat log and sent the new player some gold, soul gems, and repairs with a note not to be discouraged by one of the few bad apples in the ESO Community.

Kikke

My first question would be what the persons goals are. You dont need the same amount of DPS for Normals, Vets or trials.
Then I would've given him a half decent build too work out from, give them a simple rotation and explain why this rotation (hopefully they understand it by first explanation)

Then I usally send them away xP

*most add me too friend list and keep in touch with theire latest achivements, like a guy I met in auridon. It was his first toon, first play trough, I helped him with a few tips and tricks on leveling. once he hit lvl 50 CP 160 I explained gear and rotation.

Now he is cp 720, he does trials with a good guild and get decent scores on the leaderboard no feeling better than when you've helped someone and it gives results =D

Tasear

BenevolentBowd wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

If you could give advice to bad dps what would say?
Don't listen to anyone telling you your dps is bad

If you could turn back time what would tell the bad dps you meet?
Keep going ...

Would you have advised them to be better players?
Sure, keep going ...

What do wish you would never see again?
Stupid forum posts about pseudo elite wet dreams

It's about self improvement.

Earlier today, I was in an Veteran PUG group attempting to do a pledge. In our group, every one was 160CP plus but there was a player doing their first Veteran pledge with non-meta build (StamDK with 2H).

We were barely past the first group when the elitist tank started bad mouthing the new guy, his skill, and his build and gear choice. Immediately, the tank initiates a vote to kick. I refused to do so because everyone has a first vet pledge and they aren't going to learn it by being kicked every time they try. So the insults continued. There was a member in the group that was offline. We couldn't find a replacement because each new person would hear the ranting of the tank and left.

The tank says "kick me or this guy. I can wait here all day, I've got Netflix. I don't need this dungeon." Eventually, the new player left.

I saved the chat log and sent the new player some gold, soul gems, and repairs with a note not to be discouraged by one of the few bad apples in the ESO Community.

I like that advice to not be discouraged.

Aurielle

Ohtimbar

My advice would be to relax and have a good time.

Raraaku

I'd just try to encourage them honestly. I mainly play tanks/healers either one's job is to help keep the group alive, so I'd just do my best to do my role and help out DPS if I can. Being new to any role requires practice and learning, and those are best achieved by doing. Luckily, there seems to be many friendly guilds recruiting new players which would greatly help them with the learning curve.

I don't know what I would "never want to see again" because I'm still getting my feet under me with normal dungeons, so those are relatively easy with nearly any build. Now I'd prefer not to die due to the same mistakes being repeated again and again. I'm not a min/max type of guy, but it seems that 25-30k is the standard for DPS in veteran content, and from what I've heard/read, it's not overtly hard to achieve.

I think the hardest thing for a new DPS to learn is forming a comfortable rotation of their bars that allows them to sustain both damage and resources. Fortunately, there is a plethora of resources available to players to serve as templates/guidelines for those rotations.

VaranisArano

My advice is usually to new players.

1. Unless you are dedicated to hybrids, go all magicka or stamina and stick with it.
2. Choose appropriate weapons and armor weight to go with your choice of magicka or stamina.
3. Use a DOT like Endless Hail or Wall of Elements
4. Food/Drink buffs make your life so much easier
5. Keep your gear close to your level, especially weapons. Once you hit CP 160, get the gear you need for the level of content you want to do.
6. Heavy attack more if you are running out of resources. Heavy attack less if you aren't.


For more experienced DDs with low DPS:
1. Practice your rotation so you have good uptime on buffs and DOTs. If you don't have a rotation, go look up some builds and find one that works for you.
2. The level of DPS required to be good goes up the harder the content. I won't complain about 10k DPS from a DD in a normal dungeon, but that's gonna make for long boss fights in a vet dungeon.
3. My pure tank does around 6k DPS. I'd like your damage to be higher than that. I do use Combat Metrics, so if I'm doing over 20% of the group damage on a boss, I expect this run to be a grind.

Anotherone773

BenevolentBowd wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

If you could give advice to bad dps what would say?
Don't listen to anyone telling you your dps is bad

If you could turn back time what would tell the bad dps you meet?
Keep going ...

Would you have advised them to be better players?
Sure, keep going ...

What do wish you would never see again?
Stupid forum posts about pseudo elite wet dreams

It's about self improvement.

Earlier today, I was in an Veteran PUG group attempting to do a pledge. In our group, every one was 160CP plus but there was a player doing their first Veteran pledge with non-meta build (StamDK with 2H).

We were barely past the first group when the elitist tank started bad mouthing the new guy, his skill, and his build and gear choice. Immediately, the tank initiates a vote to kick. I refused to do so because everyone has a first vet pledge and they aren't going to learn it by being kicked every time they try. So the insults continued. There was a member in the group that was offline. We couldn't find a replacement because each new person would hear the ranting of the tank and left.

The tank says "kick me or this guy. I can wait here all day, I've got Netflix. I don't need this dungeon." Eventually, the new player left.

I saved the chat log and sent the new player some gold, soul gems, and repairs with a note not to be discouraged by one of the few bad apples in the ESO Community.

I get players like that. BTW, if you vote to kick a toxic/elitist player out of group, i will ALWAYS vote yes. If you vote to kick a player out because that player doesnt meet YOUR requirements, i will always vote no.

I had a group yesterday we was doing FG2 on normal. The dps was meh for their level but the tank was absolutely terrible. He didnt tank anything. I dont think he used a taunt once. 98% of the dungeon was tanked by me and the dps. he would run way ahead and the mobs would rush us and i had to choose to either heal him or the DPS that was trying to kill all the mobs attacking me. On bosses he just charged in.

No one seemed to know any of the mechanics. The DPS would listen and do the mechanics. The tank acknowledge chat but ignored what was said. he would say things like " I know what i need to do now, i need too..." but would completely ignore what we said he needed to do. The DPS and I both pleaded with him to tank the mobs. He didnt listen. He didnt know what a tank was suppose to do.

It took us 50 minutes just to get to what is the last boss on FG1, the big spider. The tank would not listen and just keep charging in. I tried to explain mechanics and strategy but the tank didnt even give me a chance. We would wipe as soon as he revived he would charge the boss again. Half the time 1 or more of us were still in ghost form when he charged in. I yelled stop after one wipe, ignored. I yelled dont aggro, tank ignored and died. The DPS got confused because i said dont aggro as in dont start the fight but they took it to mean dont attack the boss. So they ran around not doing DPS after the tank died( who died because he ran off with the boss while i was trying to get everyone to listen for 30 seconds.) i just left group, didnt say a word.

This was the hardest heal of a normal dungeon i ever had. I did scalecaller with a group of average first timers as first time runner and this was vet HM in comparison. I had to spam heals and shields constantly. It was extremely exhausting. I finally gave up after 15-20 total wipes. We were just going to keep wiping.

I requeued and got a vet group who just blitzed the whole dungeon in like 15 minutes. The problem is this group seen their healer as only needed to get in the dungeon. So they basically would run past a bunch of mobs and leave me to tank them. 9k stam doesnt get you very far on sprint. So i still died with the group because just left me back to fend for myself against any leftovers. I died 3 times, but the pledge was done.

I decided i am done with dungeons for pledges for the rest of the event. I cant afford to spend an hour in a dungeon that should take 30 minutes at most. And i dont want to deal with elitists blitzing normals for pledges for boxes. So ill do dailies instead. I can do most dailies in 5-10 minutes, so its more efficient than pledges anyway.

After the event, ill go back to dungeon running and trying to help people learn how to dungeon and work as a group.

karekiz

If your learning DPS

Please, please, please, just slot *MORE* than the rec of HP. Your not breaking 35K+ DPS as is so best not to run around with only 16K HP getting one shotted because you can't do a rotation and dodge at the same time. Boost up 20K buffed -> Learn DPS rotation better -> Then learn to dodge one shot bolts <Spindle 1/BC1> -> Then once you can hit 20K DPS and do those above then maybe deslot some HP.

Man I have been in so many groups where people do like 10K DPS having like 16K HP's and die in every single AoE on top of it.