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Pros and Cons in Teso versus World of Warcraft

  • Maryal
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    Pro's of WOW: not playing it
    Pro's of ESO: playing it

    Con's of WOW: playing it
    Con's of ESO: not playing it
  • Vhozek
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    Greetings.
    I have been playing WoW since 2007 year(as my subscription says). But myself being a big fan of The Elder Scrolls series I bought this game as soon it was released, started playing for a bit then left it, and returned into WoW.

    Now I wanna try it out again, here are my thoughts about Teso:
    PROS
    1. Graphics are great. I haven't yet experienced graphics set to Ultra(if it exists), but even medium is great. Althought WoW also having many graphical improvements.
    2. Character advancement is also very interesting. You can be a caster, you can be a tank, you can be a dps. Just get enough champion points. All professions are learnable w/o needing to respec.
    3. Map - It is huge and as I can see there are many empty spaces reserved for future expansions, ideas, DLC!
    4. Lore - This game got a huge lore background, lots of quests, NPCs are talking to each other and etc. However World of Warcraft also got a huge lore behind, if not bigger.
    CONS
    1. Combat - A mess. No. A BIG FREAKING MESS! I ran 3 or 4 veteran dungeons and all I have seen was cleave, cleave, lighting, lighting. There were some bosses between fights! Sorry but this is not a good idea to just put everything into a one cup. Where is CC? Where is the planning? Oh there was some lore and quests inside, but since everybody in rush you can not read NPC storylines. And addons seems to not working(recount for example).
    2. Social interraction - In dungeon groups there were no talking at all, but maybe I am not that lucky. I can not even press friendly player portrait to Inspect, Whisper and other common things that are normal in World of Warcraft. I have yet to discover how to enable free mouse look.
    3. Subscription - Teso subscription costs way more than World of Warcraft. I payed 979rub(~16$) for 1 month of Teso subscription, while WoW is only 549rub(~9,5$). People gonna use whatever is cheaper, it is a common thing unless this game is for rich people only^^. Just lower the sub costs and more people gonna try out your game.

    Well, this looks like only things that come into my mind at the moment. I returned 2 days ago and gonna try it for at least a month, then who knows.

    I just wanna say that The Elder Scrolls in general has a way bigger, richer, and deeper lore than anything in this world ever.
    𝗡𝗼𝘁 𝘀𝗼𝗿𝗿𝘆, 𝗺𝗼𝗱𝘀. 𝗙𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗕𝗶𝗿𝗱 𝘄𝗮𝘀 𝗽𝗹𝗮𝘆𝗶𝗻𝗴.
  • Adernath
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    I find some of the answers here rather biased, but also expected since it is a forum regarding ESO...

    Anyway, for me the Lore is on par with ESO, those people who say otherwise simply have not played WoW long enough to go into the story. I've played both games for very long time. Same with combat: it may be a matter of taste, but for me WoW combat was more sophisticated, because you have available all abilities your character can do on your keyboard. Yes, ESO feels faster, because there is no casting time and just casting animations, but this doesn't mean that WoW is slow paced. Just do some PvP there and its extremely tactical and demanding. ESO is just very different in this regard, and it makes fun as well. Unfortunately I have too much lag to play ESO PvP on a more serious level. In WoW I had no lag at all.

    The graphics in WoW is of course very outdated, but on the other hand the variety of the game world is larger. Still, in WoW there are many uninteresting, rather deserted zones. ESO on the other hand has a more realistic approach, which is good in its own way, since it creates a consistent Tamriel.

    Character customization is a big plus for ESO. The only small feature of WoW which ESO does not have (yet) are barber shops where you can change your hair style and colour.

    But for me ESO is the future; it does a lot of things better, for example, I like the 3 Banners War much better than concept of two main factions, although I am missing contested zones. Also, I like the freedom in character development and creation much much more than in WoW. Together with the better graphics I decided to choose ESO as being the game to spend most time with.
    Edited by Adernath on March 31, 2018 1:26PM
  • Cpt_Teemo
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    Cpt_Teemo wrote: »
    Phage wrote: »
    Except WoW sucks.


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    You can play WoW for free now, also buy anything digitally on the Bnet store for free as well

    'free to play' for WoW is basically a myth. Only allows you to play very low level and you cant even log into high lvls you have. Only bonus is sub for ingame gold

    That's what I was referring to you can use WoW tokens for Bnet currency or Subs.
  • Anotherone773
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    Of course your going to get flamed comparing WoW to ESO on an ESO forum. People defend the game they are playing as better than anything else. My take:

    1) Lore- Elder Scrolls lore is much deeper, more extensive, and generally better than WoWs. Each new Elder Scrolls title adds a bunch of lore. WoW adds a tiny bit of lore in comparison per expansion.

    2) Graphics - ESO has far better graphics and the world visuals are better developed. In WoW people ignore most of the world and many zones are completely void of players. WOW is very cartoon looking.

    3) Collision - This annoys me about ESO actually. That pebble on the ground, yeah that will stop you like a castle wall. Same with that twig hanging off that sapling. Ive got stuck on the corner of steps because my character doesnt know how to step up onto a step.

    4) Bugs - ESO is full of them, like they are everywhere. WoW pretty much keeps theirs in check.

    5) Dungeons- ESO dungeons are cluttered with objects. That is good and bad. The dungeon is more eye pleasing but its a pain with obstructions and obstacles. Trash mobs in ESO couldnt be any trashier. And you have to run 10 minutes between mobs. Wow dungeons are better done in layout and scaling but lack graphic or fight excitement. ESO dungeons have raid mechanics in many but the easiest ones even on normal.

    6) Battleground- WoW battlegrounds are better. ESO is like a three way arena match. Its full of annoyances and the objectives are unimaginative. ESO battlegrounds feel very half assed. WOW battlegrounds are entertaining to do. Each one feels different from the others. The lay out is different and each has its own objectives.

    7) Combat - Combat in WoW is easier to do, which isnt a bad thing. Making something complicated for the sake of complication isnt a good thing. And not eveyone is 18 with the dexterity of a house cat. ESO combat feels complicated for the sake of complication. I mean you have 5 action buttons and usually only 1-3 are only actively used in any one situation. I dont see a need for 5 action buttons. Having to constantly keep uptime on a bunch of buffs and dots both is more of a pain in the ass than adds to gameplay.

    8) Progression - Very different here. ESO has virtually no progression. Its so minor you barely notice. Nothing exciting offered by ESO in terms of feeling like your getting somewhere. WoW goes to the other extreme. Didnt buy the new xpack? Well that sucks because the green gear from trash drops is 25% stronger than the raid gear you spent 6 months getting before the xpack came out. Gear jumps by leaps and bounds and if you dont have the latest gear you cant compete with other players.

    9)Leveling- You can level anywhere at anytime in ESO. BIG plus. In Wow, zones are a few levels and thats it. No reason to go back to them later ever unless your a completionist or farming mats. Most ESO zones have people of all levels running around in them. Most WoW zones dont have people in them at all. Feels very much like playing a SP game.

    10) Things to do - ESO has a lot more things to do and it doesnt feel grindy. Everything in WoW feels grindy. ESO definitely owns it on this one.

    11)Crafting - Not only is it worth leveling crafting in ESO, but its worth continuing to use your crafting skills. Crafting in ESO is the best done of any game ive played that is this style, including SP games. WoW crafting is MEH like most games of this type.

    12) Price- ESO cost more for you because no one gets it cheaper. Some places get WoW cheaper. However in the US WoW and ESO are the same price. ESO does not require a sub to play. You get benefits from a sub that are very handy, but its very playable without one as well. Wow without a sub is basically an unlimited time free trial.


    Both games have advantages and disadvantages. I like and hate things about both. ESO has much more potential to be things that WoW couldnt even dream of. The devs here just arent putting the effort in the right areas.
    Edited by Anotherone773 on March 31, 2018 1:45PM
  • FakeFox
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    As someone who has played WoW for six years before starting out with ESO when it was released, I have to say that you just can't compare the combat. It is to completely different systems and which one is better comes down to personal taste.

    What I read out from your comparison is that you haven't played much ESO jet. No boss mechanics, no communication, etc. are things that only really happen in a small portion of the game.
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  • Aurielle
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    Adernath wrote: »
    I find some of the answers here rather biased, but also expected since it is a forum regarding ESO...

    Anyway, for me the Lore is on par with ESO, those people who say otherwise simply have not played WoW long enough to go into the story. I've played both games for very long time. Same with combat: it may be a matter of taste, but for me WoW combat was more sophisticated, because you have available all abilities your character can do on your keyboard. Yes, ESO feels faster, because there is no casting time and just casting animations, but this doesn't mean that WoW is slow paced. Just do some PvP there and its extremely tactical and demanding. ESO is just very different in this regard, and it makes fun as well. Unfortunately I have too much lag to play ESO PvP on a more serious level. In WoW I had no lag at all.

    The graphics in WoW is of course very outdated, but on the other hand the variety of the game world is larger. Still, in WoW there are many uninteresting, rather deserted zones. ESO on the other hand has a more realistic approach, which is good in its own way, since it creates a consistent Tamriel.

    Character customization is a big plus for ESO. The only small feature of WoW which ESO does not have (yet) are barber shops where you can change your hair style and colour.

    But for me ESO is the future; it does a lot of things better, for example, I like the 3 Banners War much better than concept of two main factions, although I am missing contested zones. Also, I like the freedom in character development and creation much much more than in WoW. Together with the better graphics I decided to choose ESO as being the game to spend most time with.

    Well, yes, of course we're going to be biased towards ESO...

    Also: it is possible to change appearance (hair style, colour, and everything else) in ESO via the crown store.
  • Cpt_Teemo
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    Aurielle wrote: »
    Adernath wrote: »
    I find some of the answers here rather biased, but also expected since it is a forum regarding ESO...

    Anyway, for me the Lore is on par with ESO, those people who say otherwise simply have not played WoW long enough to go into the story. I've played both games for very long time. Same with combat: it may be a matter of taste, but for me WoW combat was more sophisticated, because you have available all abilities your character can do on your keyboard. Yes, ESO feels faster, because there is no casting time and just casting animations, but this doesn't mean that WoW is slow paced. Just do some PvP there and its extremely tactical and demanding. ESO is just very different in this regard, and it makes fun as well. Unfortunately I have too much lag to play ESO PvP on a more serious level. In WoW I had no lag at all.

    The graphics in WoW is of course very outdated, but on the other hand the variety of the game world is larger. Still, in WoW there are many uninteresting, rather deserted zones. ESO on the other hand has a more realistic approach, which is good in its own way, since it creates a consistent Tamriel.

    Character customization is a big plus for ESO. The only small feature of WoW which ESO does not have (yet) are barber shops where you can change your hair style and colour.

    But for me ESO is the future; it does a lot of things better, for example, I like the 3 Banners War much better than concept of two main factions, although I am missing contested zones. Also, I like the freedom in character development and creation much much more than in WoW. Together with the better graphics I decided to choose ESO as being the game to spend most time with.

    Well, yes, of course we're going to be biased towards ESO...

    Also: it is possible to change appearance (hair style, colour, and everything else) in ESO via the crown store.

    Same with WoW, you can spend real $ or in game fake gold about 180k for an appearance change.

    https://us.shop.battle.net/en-us/product/world-of-warcraft-service-appearance-change
    Edited by Cpt_Teemo on March 31, 2018 1:42PM
  • Adernath
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    Aurielle wrote: »
    Also: it is possible to change appearance (hair style, colour, and everything else) in ESO via the crown store.

    In WoW you don't have to spend crowns (= real cash) in order to change your hair colour, this was my point.

  • Juju_beans
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    Cpt_Teemo wrote: »
    Phage wrote: »
    Except WoW sucks.



    You can play WoW for free now, also buy anything digitally on the Bnet store for free as well

    You can only play free up to level 20 with lots of game restrictions.
    You need a sub to get tokens to buy stuff in the store.

  • Tetrafy
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    These are my top three for various reasons. 1. FFXIV: This one is a no brainer. Amazing graphics, good auction house system guild system and raiding is awesone. Dungeons pulls are huge and trial bosses extreme is simply amazing. If you havent played it yet, why not? 2. WOW: While outdated, laid the foundation for mmos, good raiding and pvp lots of grinding. 3. ESO: Been playing for a year now, story was pretty good. PVP is awesome hands down amazing taking castles. The cons, battlegrounds poorly implemented, the guild trader is in my eyes terrible compared to an auction house Ive made millions on both, way easier on 1 and 2. Dungeons: just finished near all dlc dungeons on vet. No AOE taunt or conal taunt, such a shame for the real tanks out there. Constant pierce armor lock and block tanks yawn. Where are the huge pulls? Bosses are pretty good but problem is most guides are outdated if there is one. Crafting is pretty good on par with 14. They need to think outside the box I really like eso but I feel like nothing is terrible memorable to me. Except VMA which is brain to brick painful on a stam chracter. Ive done a few raids, but Im getting there. I was a max ffxiv war tank all raids and extreme trials within a year I put in the time. Im on the eso train hoping things will go the same direction.
  • eso_lags
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    Greetings.
    I have been playing WoW since 2007 year(as my subscription says). But myself being a big fan of The Elder Scrolls series I bought this game as soon it was released, started playing for a bit then left it, and returned into WoW.

    Now I wanna try it out again, here are my thoughts about Teso:
    PROS
    1. Graphics are great. I haven't yet experienced graphics set to Ultra(if it exists), but even medium is great. Althought WoW also having many graphical improvements.
    2. Character advancement is also very interesting. You can be a caster, you can be a tank, you can be a dps. Just get enough champion points. All professions are learnable w/o needing to respec.
    3. Map - It is huge and as I can see there are many empty spaces reserved for future expansions, ideas, DLC!
    4. Lore - This game got a huge lore background, lots of quests, NPCs are talking to each other and etc. However World of Warcraft also got a huge lore behind, if not bigger.
    CONS
    1. Combat - A mess. No. A BIG FREAKING MESS! I ran 3 or 4 veteran dungeons and all I have seen was cleave, cleave, lighting, lighting. There were some bosses between fights! Sorry but this is not a good idea to just put everything into a one cup. Where is CC? Where is the planning? Oh there was some lore and quests inside, but since everybody in rush you can not read NPC storylines. And addons seems to not working(recount for example).
    2. Social interraction - In dungeon groups there were no talking at all, but maybe I am not that lucky. I can not even press friendly player portrait to Inspect, Whisper and other common things that are normal in World of Warcraft. I have yet to discover how to enable free mouse look.
    3. Subscription - Teso subscription costs way more than World of Warcraft. I payed 979rub(~16$) for 1 month of Teso subscription, while WoW is only 549rub(~9,5$). People gonna use whatever is cheaper, it is a common thing unless this game is for rich people only^^. Just lower the sub costs and more people gonna try out your game.

    Well, this looks like only things that come into my mind at the moment. I returned 2 days ago and gonna try it for at least a month, then who knows.

    WOW works good, ESO does not. ESO would be better if it worked imo
  • Sergykid
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    i liked the pvp in wow, ranked battles, lots of areas and possibilities, and everyone had the same gear, skill remained. But the combat is better in eso. The best would be a mix of both game
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  • BelleSorciere
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    WOW is so out dated . The people playing it are there out of love and history of their game . It does not attract many new players anymore . They needed to reduce the subscription there to take a little of the sting away from their loyal followers moving away .

    And the subscription price in the US is the same as the cost of ESO plus.
  • Linaleah
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    I play both. right now, I prefer ESo by far to the point where if gold were not so easy for me to make in WoW, meaning I can pay for my subscription with it - I wouldn't be subscribed to WoW nearly as often as I am.

    that said, on subscription... is this some sort of exchange issue? becasue in dollars, subscription prices are literally identical for both games.

    P.S. is this European realms thing again? because I play US servers on both WoW and ESO and in WoW you are lucky if someone says "hi" before sprinting off, while hafl the group is still loading in. I get to chat far FAR more in ESO than I do in WoW.
    Edited by Linaleah on March 31, 2018 8:12PM
    dirty worthless casual.
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  • WakeYourGhost
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    Pro - It's not WoW

    Con - Not enough Fanservice. Needs more tail-lifting.
  • Sevn
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    I know this is bait as op hasn't responded to a single post, but I'll nibble. There isn't a single "pro" about WoW. The only thing that ever peeked my interest even a little were flying mounts.

    Combat? Seriously? Tab targeting? Gtfo with that garbage.
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  • Sigtric
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    Aurielle wrote: »
    #1 Pro of ESO: It's not World of Warcraft

    Con: wow players come to ESO and want it to be wow

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  • Getern
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    Greetings.
    I have been playing WoW since 2007 year(as my subscription says). But myself being a big fan of The Elder Scrolls series I bought this game as soon it was released, started playing for a bit then left it, and returned into WoW.

    Now I wanna try it out again, here are my thoughts about Teso:
    PROS
    1. Graphics are great. I haven't yet experienced graphics set to Ultra(if it exists), but even medium is great. Althought WoW also having many graphical improvements.
    2. Character advancement is also very interesting. You can be a caster, you can be a tank, you can be a dps. Just get enough champion points. All professions are learnable w/o needing to respec.
    3. Map - It is huge and as I can see there are many empty spaces reserved for future expansions, ideas, DLC!
    4. Lore - This game got a huge lore background, lots of quests, NPCs are talking to each other and etc. However World of Warcraft also got a huge lore behind, if not bigger.
    CONS
    1. Combat - A mess. No. A BIG FREAKING MESS! I ran 3 or 4 veteran dungeons and all I have seen was cleave, cleave, lighting, lighting. There were some bosses between fights! Sorry but this is not a good idea to just put everything into a one cup. Where is CC? Where is the planning? Oh there was some lore and quests inside, but since everybody in rush you can not read NPC storylines. And addons seems to not working(recount for example).
    2. Social interraction - In dungeon groups there were no talking at all, but maybe I am not that lucky. I can not even press friendly player portrait to Inspect, Whisper and other common things that are normal in World of Warcraft. I have yet to discover how to enable free mouse look.
    3. Subscription - Teso subscription costs way more than World of Warcraft. I payed 979rub(~16$) for 1 month of Teso subscription, while WoW is only 549rub(~9,5$). People gonna use whatever is cheaper, it is a common thing unless this game is for rich people only^^. Just lower the sub costs and more people gonna try out your game.

    Well, this looks like only things that come into my mind at the moment. I returned 2 days ago and gonna try it for at least a month, then who knows.

    Opposite to what u can see now, Veteran dungeons used to be actually a thing. Tho casual meta doesnt allow to make stuff difficult anymore. Combat system in fact is actually easy, intuitive and rewarding in PVP at least.

    In first years ESO was waay more "social interactive". At least I felt like 80% actually knew English, people were eager to help and chit-chat. Then One Tamriel came and suddenly we started dealing with toxic kids and russians.
  • duendology
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    My friend tried to get me to play WoW. When I saw the visual side I was like...nah, I am not going to like it.
    Graphics are very important aspect of a game to me.

    I am not sure comparing WoW to ESO is fair though.
    I wouldn't do that. These games ARE different.
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    And..
    - High Elf SorcMag dps [It's quite possible his daddy was a Nord.]

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  • Ragnarock41
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    WOW isn't worth a sub atm. If the sub was optional I would probably go back to it for lulz.

    It has its pros and cons but overall I think WoW is just too old of a game to demand a monthly sub, and its just a matter of time before they make it f2p or at least cheaper.
    Edited by Ragnarock41 on March 31, 2018 9:50PM
  • monktoasty
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    Pro eso good con wow sucks
  • Bbsample197
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    dont get me wrong WoW is still the best mmorpg out there but...

    combat wise: ESO>>>>>>> WoW,
    Edited by Bbsample197 on April 1, 2018 6:40AM
  • festher
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    Combat in ESO is so much better!
  • exeeter702
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    festher wrote: »
    Combat in ESO is so much better!

    Entirely subjective as they are radically different from one a other to even be accurately compared. One functions on CD management and timed counters, with a large array of abilities available to a player, one functions entirely on resource management with active reactionary combat while offering a much more limited abilitiy bar load out.
  • Illurian
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    CONS
    1. Combat - A mess. No. A BIG FREAKING MESS! I ran 3 or 4 veteran dungeons and all I have seen was cleave, cleave, lighting, lighting. There were some bosses between fights! Sorry but this is not a good idea to just put everything into a one cup. Where is CC? Where is the planning? Oh there was some lore and quests inside, but since everybody in rush you can not read NPC storylines. And addons seems to not working(recount for example).
    2. Social interraction - In dungeon groups there were no talking at all, but maybe I am not that lucky. I can not even press friendly player portrait to Inspect, Whisper and other common things that are normal in World of Warcraft. I have yet to discover how to enable free mouse look.
    3. Subscription - Teso subscription costs way more than World of Warcraft. I payed 979rub(~16$) for 1 month of Teso subscription, while WoW is only 549rub(~9,5$). People gonna use whatever is cheaper, it is a common thing unless this game is for rich people only^^. Just lower the sub costs and more people gonna try out your game.

    Well, this looks like only things that come into my mind at the moment. I returned 2 days ago and gonna try it for at least a month, then who knows.

    Just going to reply to your cons here.

    1) Combat: You can't judge the game's entire combat system on the 3 or 4 dungeons you did. Google "anecdotal evidence". It's hilarious that you even did, though. Other vet dungeons (DLC ones for example) and trials do actually require knowledge of the mechanics in order to progress.

    2) Social Interaction: You can't inspect on ESO (thankfully), but you can whisper/trade/invite to party/etc by pressing and holding "f" while looking at a player (PC).

    3) Subscription: Firstly, ESO does not have mandatory subscription to be able to play the game. Because of this, what you get for subscribing very much justifies the price you pay. You get access to 1.5k crowns per month of subscription (it would cost about the same to buy 1.5k crowns as it would to subscribe for a month and get 1.5k crowns anyway), access to all DLCs, minor exp/research boosts and perhaps the most significant of all, access to the crafting bag.

    Your "cons" do not make any sense imo, and comparing every single detail to WoW is not an efficient, objective way of reviewing anything.

    WoW is not the end all/be all of MMOs. I personally find the combat in WoW boring and out-dated with its tab-targeting system, along with the graphics. Being different from WoW should be embraced, imo.
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  • Doctordarkspawn
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    He ain' wrong, the combat is a mess here.
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    WoW graphics :p :
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    ESO graphics(My main char):
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    Edited by Universe on April 1, 2018 5:47PM
    Some videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
    PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
    Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
    PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
    Started playing ESO in beta & early access
    User_ID: Daedric_Prince
  • Linaleah
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    wait... I completely missed that addons thing. OP... if you are using twitch/formerly known as curse to get your addons, of COURSE they are not working. becasue ESO addons that are actualy updated are NOT on twitch, they are on ESOUI, and are install via minion app. moreover...

    do not expect the same exact addons with the same exact names for every single game. recount is an addon for wow only. ESO equivalent? is called combat metrics.
    dirty worthless casual.
    Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself. Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the ***
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  • Prospero_ESO
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    Hmm,

    for me it is

    Pro ESO: Overland Content (Questing, World Bosses etc) is fun and interesting, sometimes challenging also
    Con WoW: The most boring questing experience i had in a video game

    Draw: Dungeons / Raids. Both games have very easy group content and very hard group content. For me difficult to decide

    Pro ESO: Crafting is fun for me in ESO and crafted gear is not worthless.
    Con WoW: Very boring crafting experience and aside from food mostly useless

    Con ESO: PvP is in a bad shape. Cyrodiil is a laggy experience. Map design/mechanics invites to zerging. Battlegrounds have a very uninspired design, no competitive matchmaking, no separation of pugs and premades, Battlegrounds not accessible for everybody.
    Pro WoW: Very different battlegounds / arena modes, rated or unrated. Competitive matchmaking via ratings -> E-Sport. Good performance. Battlegrounds / Arena accessible for everyone.
    Con WoW: No meaningful Open World PvP
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