Pros and Cons in Teso versus World of Warcraft

Taleof2Cities

notimetocare wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

Except WoW sucks.

You can play WoW for free now, also buy anything digitally on the Bnet store for free as well

'free to play' for WoW is basically a myth. Only allows you to play very low level and you cant even log into high lvls you have. Only bonus is sub for ingame gold

I have never once played WOW and even I know this ...

OP has been noticeably silent since the first post. Where are they?

fierackas

I had been playing Everquest for 3 or 4 years when WoW launched. A lot of players migrated to the shiny new game. I took one look at the childish cartoony graphics and gave it a swerve. No regrets.

Sevn

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

notimetocare wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Phage wrote: »

Except WoW sucks.

You can play WoW for free now, also buy anything digitally on the Bnet store for free as well

'free to play' for WoW is basically a myth. Only allows you to play very low level and you cant even log into high lvls you have. Only bonus is sub for ingame gold

I have never once played WOW and even I know this ...

OP has been noticeably silent since the first post. Where are they?

Hopefully playing WoW and not making any more bait threads on the eso forums about how terrible WoW is.

SkillzMFG

darthrahneb17_ESO1 wrote: »

Greetings.
I have been playing WoW since 2007 year(as my subscription says). But myself being a big fan of The Elder Scrolls series I bought this game as soon it was released, started playing for a bit then left it, and returned into WoW.

Now I wanna try it out again, here are my thoughts about Teso:

PROS

1. Graphics are great. I haven't yet experienced graphics set to Ultra(if it exists), but even medium is great. Althought WoW also having many graphical improvements.
2. Character advancement is also very interesting. You can be a caster, you can be a tank, you can be a dps. Just get enough champion points. All professions are learnable w/o needing to respec.
3. Map - It is huge and as I can see there are many empty spaces reserved for future expansions, ideas, DLC!
4. Lore - This game got a huge lore background, lots of quests, NPCs are talking to each other and etc. However World of Warcraft also got a huge lore behind, if not bigger.

CONS

1. Combat - A mess. No. A BIG FREAKING MESS! I ran 3 or 4 veteran dungeons and all I have seen was cleave, cleave, lighting, lighting. There were some bosses between fights! Sorry but this is not a good idea to just put everything into a one cup. Where is CC? Where is the planning? Oh there was some lore and quests inside, but since everybody in rush you can not read NPC storylines. And addons seems to not working(recount for example).
2. Social interraction - In dungeon groups there were no talking at all, but maybe I am not that lucky. I can not even press friendly player portrait to Inspect, Whisper and other common things that are normal in World of Warcraft. I have yet to discover how to enable free mouse look.
3. Subscription - Teso subscription costs way more than World of Warcraft. I payed 979rub(~16$) for 1 month of Teso subscription, while WoW is only 549rub(~9,5$). People gonna use whatever is cheaper, it is a common thing unless this game is for rich people only^^. Just lower the sub costs and more people gonna try out your game.

Well, this looks like only things that come into my mind at the moment. I returned 2 days ago and gonna try it for at least a month, then who knows.

You're right about the rushing part where you can't read into any quests or storylines but I strongly disagree that the combat is a complete mess. While it is a bit chaotic, after a while you get used to it and it isn't any more confusing than WoW combat is. You probably just think that because you've played it for 7 years.

To be honest I might even dare and say that the ESO combat is much simpler but much more appealing than WoW combat is - remember rolling four full actions bars when playing Warlock or Mage? Thanks but no thanks!

darthrahneb17_ESO1

Total reactions recieved: 9 Agree, 1 Awesome. Guess not bad for a first post

For anyone curious I am still checking the forum regulary, and playing the game whenever I can.

As for subscription cost in my opinion you better pay. First of all everyone needs to get payed, after all it is their job and they want to get payed for it. At least I disliked it without ESO Plus enabled, since I have no crowns enough to buy DLCs and some other restrictions were applied also.

Nemesis7884

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

I'm a wow vet but still comparing the 2 of them is like saying apples are better than chocolate...

NO ONE on this planet thinks apples are better than chocolate...

Edziu

I will add my 2 cents..as I like more ESO because of just TES + graphic here, lore...
many many other game and in this is wow..are much better than eso with just balance and possibilities to what can do in game such as minigames or some more different things what can to do just for fun

in ESO we always have something like this class is just useless because of "balance nerfs"....this class is getting rekt so can be unplayable from 3 months to next patch up to even 2 years if ZOS will nerf enough good this class

in just wow I dont seen any class to be useless for something, every of many classes are useful in every way playing, pve or pvp, in wow I dont see any term of "unplayabe class" because it got "balance nerfs".

as for me its main problem of eso combat...ZOS have no *** idea what even is this balance! and they are trying to get balance...no chance

xmancho12

They are different games. WoW is the game i played the most, yet now, I have no wish to log-in and grind for gear. It seems meaningless. While in ESO i can log-in 40 mins to an hour during the week and enjoy what i am doing. It's still down to preferences, for me now it is ESO, the graphics, the combat ( if you are not paying attention you are dead), the questing system is amazing, the character progression is nice and can keep you busy. WoW is just an old game at this point.

Adernath

For people who are playing WoW and looking for an alternative I like to give my comment on another post here:

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Of course your going to get flamed comparing WoW to ESO on an ESO forum. People defend the game they are playing as better than anything else. My take:

1) Lore- Elder Scrolls lore is much deeper, more extensive, and generally better than WoWs. Each new Elder Scrolls title adds a bunch of lore. WoW adds a tiny bit of lore in comparison per expansion.

I tend to disagree here, for me they are more or less equal. As with ESO, much WoW lore was created in its predecessors. In ESO you get a new zone/chapter with a large main story and many independent side quests. In WoW the expansion areas are rather large with a big new enemy an overall plot and new side quests.

Anotherone773 wrote: »

2) Graphics - ESO has far better graphics and the world visuals are better developed. In WoW people ignore most of the world and many zones are completely void of players. WOW is very cartoon looking.

Agreed. ESO is more modern and therefore much better here.

Anotherone773 wrote: »

3) Collision - This annoys me about ESO actually. That pebble on the ground, yeah that will stop you like a castle wall. Same with that twig hanging off that sapling. Ive got stuck on the corner of steps because my character doesnt know how to step up onto a step.

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5) Dungeons- ESO dungeons are cluttered with objects. That is good and bad. The dungeon is more eye pleasing but its a pain with obstructions and obstacles. Trash mobs in ESO couldnt be any trashier. And you have to run 10 minutes between mobs. Wow dungeons are better done in layout and scaling but lack graphic or fight excitement. ESO dungeons have raid mechanics in many but the easiest ones even on normal.

I got used to obstacles pretty fast. They are of no concern to me today.

Anotherone773 wrote: »

4) Bugs - ESO is full of them, like they are everywhere. WoW pretty much keeps theirs in check.

Not really; the devs are doing a great job in bugfixing things IMO. I played since beta and I encountered only a few quest bugs (and I completed all quests) which were all fixed in the meantime. The main issue are disconnects and unstable behaviour during PvP or sometimes PvE on the client side. The servers are stable. In WoW I had no issues at all.

Anotherone773 wrote: »

6) Battleground- WoW battlegrounds are better. ESO is like a three way arena match. Its full of annoyances and the objectives are unimaginative. ESO battlegrounds feel very half assed. WOW battlegrounds are entertaining to do. Each one feels different from the others. The lay out is different and each has its own objectives.

Basically the ESO battlegrounds tend to be more chaotic or random because of 3 different factions. If no team is full of premades, it can be much fun, but the disadvantage is that with 3 teams per battle, the probability that you face at least one premade is higher than in a 2-team scenario. Therefore I tend to agree that a 2-alliance confrontation looks a bit cleaner. ESO battlegrounds are also created as multi-purpose areas with different objectives. I found the maps rather well made for a 3-team battle. It is not really possible to compare these to the 2-team maps of WoW.

Anotherone773 wrote: »

7) Combat - Combat in WoW is easier to do, which isnt a bad thing. Making something complicated for the sake of complication isnt a good thing. And not eveyone is 18 with the dexterity of a house cat. ESO combat feels complicated for the sake of complication. I mean you have 5 action buttons and usually only 1-3 are only actively used in any one situation. I dont see a need for 5 action buttons. Having to constantly keep uptime on a bunch of buffs and dots both is more of a pain in the ass than adds to gameplay.

For me the combat is similar in challenge. What I find better in WoW is that you have much better control over your targets with tab targeting and basically a fire-and-forget combat: E.g. if you cast a debuff like living bomb you can be sure in most cases that it will go to the last tick, independent on what you do. In ESO there are many abilities which can overwrite each other if you cast them in short succession, while paying the mana costs. This is something which I really do not like, because it forces you to watch the ability timers carefully, often in a messy and flashy scenario where 12 players hit the boss at the same time with all they have.

Anotherone773 wrote: »

8) Progression - Very different here. ESO has virtually no progression. Its so minor you barely notice. Nothing exciting offered by ESO in terms of feeling like your getting somewhere. WoW goes to the other extreme. Didnt buy the new xpack? Well that sucks because the green gear from trash drops is 25% stronger than the raid gear you spent 6 months getting before the xpack came out. Gear jumps by leaps and bounds and if you dont have the latest gear you cant compete with other players.

I agree, just to add that while ESO has a rather flat progression, the differences between a newbie and a veteran player are still very large. This is mainly due to low experience (positioning, abilities used, weaving, points spent in attributes, ...), bad gear and lag of champion points. If you played WoW before however, you will find yourself in a familiar setting rather quick.

Anotherone773 wrote: »

9)Leveling- You can level anywhere at anytime in ESO. BIG plus. In Wow, zones are a few levels and thats it. No reason to go back to them later ever unless your a completionist or farming mats. Most ESO zones have people of all levels running around in them. Most WoW zones dont have people in them at all. Feels very much like playing a SP game.

For me it was never a problem not to go everywhere as I was a newbie (in WoW and ESO), but since One Tamriel this is possible in ESO. The advantage with this system is not really something for newbies but for everyone, because the zones are attractive for all players and therefore populated.

Anotherone773 wrote: »

10) Things to do - ESO has a lot more things to do and it doesnt feel grindy. Everything in WoW feels grindy. ESO definitely owns it on this one.

Yes, WoW is much more grindy than ESO, but because of this, it doesn't mean that WoW has less things to do than ESO. It is more the opposite. A specific zone in ESO has around the same content as in WoW, but in WoW there are some achievements on top of it which are much more grindy.

Anotherone773 wrote: »

11)Crafting - Not only is it worth leveling crafting in ESO, but its worth continuing to use your crafting skills. Crafting in ESO is the best done of any game ive played that is this style, including SP games. WoW crafting is MEH like most games of this type.

I agree that the crafting is solved better in ESO, in particular since you can learn all crafting professions on a single character. WoW is just a little out-dated here and much more grindy. In ESO you can reach max crafting level way quicker and then focus on completing your library of schematics for your wardrobe or house.

Anotherone773 wrote: »

12) Price- ESO cost more for you because no one gets it cheaper. Some places get WoW cheaper. However in the US WoW and ESO are the same price. ESO does not require a sub to play. You get benefits from a sub that are very handy, but its very playable without one as well. Wow without a sub is basically an unlimited time free trial.

Here I have to disagree: ESO is way cheaper, since you do not have to subscribe and just have to pay every content (DLC) once. The prices for the DLCs are reasonable and (in my opinion) also for the chapters.

Something more:
1) The music in both games are very well made in many areas.
2) ESO has housing, something not existent in the WoW.

Cpt_Teemo

Lord wrote: »

WoW graphics :


ESO graphics(My main char):

That's actually Mario #1 graphics, these are WoW graphics



Seems to me alot more advanced than Mario #1

Cpt_Teemo

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

I'm a wow vet but still comparing the 2 of them is like saying apples are better than chocolate...

NO ONE on this planet thinks apples are better than chocolate...

Tell that to people/animals with diabetas

Liddyenna

My experience of wow chat.
Them: Why no looms?
Me: I'm new
Them: GTFO...kick

Nice game.

Juju_beans

Wow turned into a gear chasing, player gated dungeon/raid MMO. It's pretty much "raid or die" and if you don't have the high ilvl of gear or have your progression stats high enough in raider.io then you won't get invited to groups.

They nerfed professions, made exploration non existent and threw a load of daily quests to make up for content progression.
Then, on top of that, they have CRZ and sharding to make the world feel more populated and causes players and resources to appear, disappear as you get closer to them.

Wow turned very unfriendly to casuals and non raiders the last two expansions.
Sure, I could catch squirrels and kick nuts and be rewarded with legendary gear but who wants handouts like that ?

Huyen

Since cataclysm cc in wow has been down the drain too. Your comparing 2 games doesnt make sense. You dont like the price of eso? Cya! By the way: eso doesnt require sub while wow does. Big difference...

Cpt_Teemo

Liddyenna wrote: »

My experience of wow chat.
Them: Why no looms?
Me: I'm new
Them: GTFO...kick

Nice game.

Reminds me of this one, Auto kick instantly if not Cp 500 in Vets

Cpt_Teemo

Huyen wrote: »

Since cataclysm cc in wow has been down the drain too. Your comparing 2 games doesnt make sense. You dont like the price of eso? Cya! By the way: eso doesnt require sub while wow does. Big difference...

But yet if you have enough gold to keep going every month WoW is really just B2p, same as Eso

clocksstoppe

ESO combat is a mess.

Cadbury

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Liddyenna wrote: »

My experience of wow chat.
Them: Why no looms?
Me: I'm new
Them: GTFO...kick

Nice game.

Reminds me of this one, Auto kick instantly if not Cp 500 in Vets

It's 600+ in Vets now

*kick*

Aebaradath

Did... did you just compare it with WoW?

Imma wreck u in the wildy with my ddpp++.

Cpt_Teemo

Cadbury wrote: »

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Liddyenna wrote: »

My experience of wow chat.
Them: Why no looms?
Me: I'm new
Them: GTFO...kick

Nice game.

Reminds me of this one, Auto kick instantly if not Cp 500 in Vets

It's 600+ in Vets now

*kick*

Oh yeah forgot, the Cp went up lol

Linaleah

Cpt_Teemo wrote: »

Huyen wrote: »

Since cataclysm cc in wow has been down the drain too. Your comparing 2 games doesnt make sense. You dont like the price of eso? Cya! By the way: eso doesnt require sub while wow does. Big difference...

But yet if you have enough gold to keep going every month WoW is really just B2p, same as Eso

but you know that most people don't right? for most people, they have so little gold they actualy BUY tokens with money. its the only reason the few of us who can subscribe with gold - can do so, becasue so many people don't have aforementioned gold and are willing to buy it.

that said, there was a post above that's been making me laugh for a while now. WoW has no balance issues and classes so nerfed into the ground that no one uses them? seriously? oh lordie... they are one of the worst offenders for that! constant cycle of "flavor of the month" vs "why don't you just delete insert class/spec already, Blizzard" expansion... after expansion... after expansion. Blizzard balancing is.... youch.

P.S. that screenshot of wow UI above is... well... that is a horrible horrible extreme. first of all its scaled awfuly, second of all.. why? WHY is there a double of everything? double the raid frames, double the skill bars - every skill is doubled up and they are not keybound either - they are just... there. yeah, you cannot make ESO UI looke quite THAT cluttered, but you CAN clutter it up close to that if you try - on PC (tun UI mod and then let if keep both default and UI frames, for example). the question is... why?

RAMAO

The combat in ESO is by far the best I've seen in MMOs, it's almost 80%~90% of what makes me enjoy the game, (since theres not much a rpg in there). It's full of action, and you actually feel like YOU ARE DOING SOMETHING, this is granted in other types of games but is a rarity in MMOs.
Even when I played other great MMOs like Guild Wars 2, the skillbar based combat made me drop it because it is so boring.
Sometimes you may get angry at the fact that you have only 10 of your skills readly avaible, but this is GENIUS, it makes u experiment a diferent type of gameplay on every diferent occasion. I have a skillbar set for leveling, dungeons, pvp, etc. Even in these sometimes I have to change. I feel like the combat is the most important aspect of a MMO since u'll spend so much time just killing stuff.

Also for social interaction. Sometimes you have to take the initiave. Many times when I don't say nothing, nobody says nothing, but EVERY time I said something in the group chap, somebody responded to me. And cordially. Damn, ESO community is really cordial, I don't recall having any verbal conflicts so far.

Oberick

The social interaction in Eso is joining 5 guilds for guild traders and paying your weekly trader fees and after a week or two they start suddenly failing bids for a trader while continuing to require a weekly fee then after 5 weeks in a row of this you get fed up and quit and look for some more guilds and since you can change guild names easily you don't realize you join one of the original guilds you were in and the process repeats.

Violynne

So glad ESO is my first MMO.

I'd hate to spend my day wasting away comparisons to a different MMO with completely different mechanics that, for some, should be identical in every MMO.

Common sense, you're needed here.

Raideen

I prefer World of Warcrafts class system. In wow a priest feels like a priest, a rogue feels like a rogue, a warrior feels like a warrior. In ESO the classes feel, well they don't feel like their name sake.

I prefer World of Warcrafts number of class options. Each class feels and plays completely different from any other class, or spec for that matter.

I prefer World of Warcrafts PVP by a landslide. Battlegrounds allow for quick 15-20 min match games with 10v10 to 40v40 man maps.

I prefer World of Warcrafts method of charging customers. I like being able to collect over 400 mounts in game for the price of a sub. I like being able to collect 10x the armor outfits for the price of a sub. I like being able to collect non combat pets for the price of a sub. I like that my subscription fee buys me on average 3 DLC's over the course of an expansion.

I prefer World of Warcraftstransmogrification system. You collect the armor, you pay a small gold fee to make your outfit. Easy and done. Addons allow for saving other outfits and are easily swapped out for a small amount of in game gold.

I prefer World of Warcrafts mount animations. They feel more connected to the map than ESO

I prefer World of Warcrafts Weapons. They are noticeable and having a rare drop or hard to obtain item is easily seen by other players. I also like the particle effects on wows weapons and armor

I prefer World of Warcrafts water because you can actually go under water and in some zones quest under water.

I prefer World of Warcrafts coding. The game is simply infinitely less buggy than ESO

I prefer World of Warcrafts Auction House system. Everyone has an equal and fair chance at buying and selling on the Auction house. Prices are also less because of competition.

I prefer World of Warcrafts lore. It just feels more ingrained into the game than ESO.

I prefer Elder Scrolls Online for the art. Its more detailed.

I like the music in WoW and ESO equally. Although WoW has a much larger selection of music to listen to.
How anyone can't love a piece about a king who mourns his steed is beyond me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV46qFZrOzk

I prefer World of Warcrafts mailing system. Being able to send mail to your alts is handy and the fact that I don't have to log out or zone to get mail is a HUGE bonus.

I prefer World of Warcrafts Bank system where each character has their own bank. This makes it a lot easier to manage gear

I prefer Elder Scrolls Online for the armor system in that armor is account bound, not character bound.

I prefer World of Warcrafts interface and being able to keybind modifiers to other keys.

I prefer World of Warcrafts interface in that you don't need to swap action bars.

I prefer World of Warcrafts global cool down on spell casting vs ESO's animation cancelling 'feature' (exploit).

I prefer Elder Scrolls Online....actually I cant think of anything.

...and before anyone asks. The reason I play Elder Scrolls Online is because my girlfriend likes this game and does not care for wow and it is important for us to play an MMO together.

As far as community. I find WoW's community to be more full of trolls and kids, ESO's community is more full of elitist jerks. Both groups of people stink so its a wash.

Hallothiel

ESO wins everytime as it is a game I can actually play without having to pay out a substantial amount for a pc.......

And the graphics are utter utter pants.

Cadbury

Eh, I kinda liked the Warcraft movie

Grendel_at_ESO

ESO doesn't look like a Bugs Bunny cartoon. Big plus for me.