Thanks for allowing Skyshards to be brought to other characters. Thread closed.

Nightves · March 2018

If people are going to give the "just regrab the skyshards for the skillpoints" and "no gimmes" *** then you can *** off. I'm sorry, but if you want absolutely no "gimmes", then start a forum right now asking ZoS to reset your cp for every new* character, no random daily dungeon bonuses, and no account-wide dyes either. No "gimmes" right? You want us to just do the time-consuming work all over again. ZoS has changed a lot of aspects already in the game, and if all these ZoS Justice Warriors would shut their traps over something that doesn't do any harm to them, maybe we can get more of those changes.

Giraffon · March 2018

Gee. I just want account wide horse upgrades.

TheShadowScout · March 2018

Nightves wrote: »

If people are going to give the "just regrab the skyshards for the skillpoints" and "no gimmes" *** then you can *** off...

Someone should remember that...

And the fact remains that ZOS already decided to give everyone playing ESO -more- account wide stuff then in any other MMORPG I ever played through shared bank, guilds and the whole bloody champion system!
And yet there are still greedy people who have the chuzpah to demand more, who have the sense of entitlement to think they deserve more somehow, and get insulting when others object as we do not wish to see the game demeaned that way!

Yes, we DO think that if you want something, you should work for it, and if you want something twice, you should work for it twice!
Its not like all the rooms in your house are cleaned after you clean one room, now is it? So why should all the characters on your account get something when you do it on your main?
As I said, if aou care enough, you will do the work another time for this or that alt, and if you don't care enough, you will do without on this or that alt. Your choice.

And the best you can possibly expect from ZOS is to monetarize any "shortcuts" just like they did with the crown riding lessons. Which I really would not mind, that way the impatient ones support the game with their eallet instead of spending theit time.

Giraffon · March 2018

Giraffon wrote: »

Gee. I just want account wide horse upgrades.

And also for non-PC players, I support a toggle that would mark books and shards on the stock maps much like PC Add-ons can already do.

Defilted · March 2018

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Defilted wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Defilted wrote: »

Make it so the locations are added to your map account wide after discovering the location of a skyshard or lore book.

There is an addon for that and you dont even need to discover locations first. In fact addons significantly enhance gameplay so much i would never dream of playing this game on console. Skyshard, lore book, quest locations...harvestmap, awesomeguildstore, mastermerchant, craftstore, TTC... i could go on. I cant imagine playing the game without all those addons that make the game much more bearable.

XBOX

@Defilted I find it funny that it says "XBOX" in your signature and PC players STILL suggest the Add-Ons.

"Can we get this, Zos?"
"There's an add-on for that"
"But I have a PS-"
"Add-On"
"ok cool but...."
"PC MASTER RACE"

People reading to fast and not all the way to the end.

DieAlteHexe · March 2018

regime211 wrote: »

Radinyn wrote: »

No

No? You must be trolling please don't tell me you ENJOY grinding those damn books every toon? They SHOULD be account wide! however you still would have to farm and use sky shards to unlock the skills.

Actually, some folks do.

Basically I pick them up as I go through a zone doing quests or chests etc.

To each their own, eh?

Marginis · March 2018

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

regime211 wrote: »

Radinyn wrote: »

No

No? You must be trolling please don't tell me you ENJOY grinding those damn books every toon? They SHOULD be account wide! however you still would have to farm and use sky shards to unlock the skills.

Actually, some folks do.

Basically I pick them up as I go through a zone doing quests or chests etc.

To each their own, eh?

Some people enjoy putting their heads in ovens. To each their own I guess.

MAEK · March 2018

The best way to do this would be as some others have already said: make it an option. That way those who want to get all skyshards with all new character can do so, and those who don't enjoy that aren't forced to do it. Personally I see no reason why anyone would be against this, as it would only effect the person who makes the choice.

Mureel · March 2018

Jameliel wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

No.
What is even the point of playing the game if you aren't even going to play the game?

Just get everything for free?

Spending days running around clicking on books and rocks isn't "playing" for me and many others. After doing it once, I have no desire to do it again. The boring grind is one reason I won't be playing much longer.

Nope, you can't have my stuff=)

Don't let the door hit ya where Boethia split ya!

TheShadowScout · March 2018

MAEK wrote: »

The best way to do this would be as some others have already said: make it an option...

Rejoice - it already IS optional!
You can choose to grab all skyshards, and get the skill points for each of your characters...
...or you can choose not to on some of your characters, and do without the skill points!
Much like you can choose on each character to have them grab the mages guild lorebooks and max the guild progression, or not and do without meteor or the other goodies...
Much like you can choose on each character to slot a skill and raise it to morph and max it, or not and just forget that particular skill...
Much like you can choose on each character if you wanna PvP and unlock the cool stuff from the assualt and support skill lines, or not and do without vigor and caltrops...
Much like you can choose on each character to have them steal for fun and TG advancement, and max that guild, or not and do without all the perks a member in good standing gets to enjoy...
Much like you can choose on each character to train your riding every day, or not and make do with a far less useful mount...
Much like you can choose on each character to have them murder for fun and TG advancement, and max that guild, or not and forego the advantages you get as high level assassin...
Much like you can choose on each character to actually play them and gain experience to raise your level, or not and let them loiter forever in coldharbour...
...
Much like you can choose for yourself if you want to actually -play- this game, and reap the character-improving rewards within it, or rather go out and have a beer or whatever.

But as I keep mentioning, that's not what people are talking about. They don't want options, they want to get something on their alts without spending the effort again. We have these threads all the time - most often about achievements or riding, but also skyshards and lorebooks, which have arguably way more game impact due to coming with skill points and mages guild advancement.

Its more like... people saying "Ah, nah, its too much of a bother for me to play that part of the game on an alt, so gimme!" and then cooking up some sort of flimsy justification how it would be "quality of life" if they were allowed to bypass the effort. How they deserve those freebies so "they are not forced to make the effort". And how it would not effect anyone else since "they can still work for it if they want to".
And that's why I call then "The Gimme Crowd" collectively. Also to showcase my rather low opinion of that entitlement mindset.

DieAlteHexe · March 2018

Marginis wrote: »

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

regime211 wrote: »

Radinyn wrote: »

No

No? You must be trolling please don't tell me you ENJOY grinding those damn books every toon? They SHOULD be account wide! however you still would have to farm and use sky shards to unlock the skills.

Actually, some folks do.

Basically I pick them up as I go through a zone doing quests or chests etc.

To each their own, eh?

Some people enjoy putting their heads in ovens. To each their own I guess.

Silly comparison but hey, if it makes you happy.

I find other aspects of the game tedious and annoying but I don't begrudge those who enjoy it, nor do I lobby to change those aspects.

I, again, think an option here would make sense. Some want it, some do not.

MAEK · March 2018

TheShadowScout wrote: »

MAEK wrote: »

The best way to do this would be as some others have already said: make it an option...

Rejoice - it already IS optional!
You can choose to grab all skyshards, and get the skill points for each of your characters...
...or you can choose not to on some of your characters, and do without the skill points!
Much like you can choose on each character to have them grab the mages guild lorebooks and max the guild progression, or not and do without meteor or the other goodies...
Much like you can choose on each character to slot a skill and raise it to morph and max it, or not and just forget that particular skill...
Much like you can choose on each character if you wanna PvP and unlock the cool stuff from the assualt and support skill lines, or not and do without vigor and caltrops...
Much like you can choose on each character to have them steal for fun and TG advancement, and max that guild, or not and do without all the perks a member in good standing gets to enjoy...
Much like you can choose on each character to train your riding every day, or not and make do with a far less useful mount...
Much like you can choose on each character to have them murder for fun and TG advancement, and max that guild, or not and forego the advantages you get as high level assassin...
Much like you can choose on each character to actually play them and gain experience to raise your level, or not and let them loiter forever in coldharbour...
...
Much like you can choose for yourself if you want to actually -play- this game, and reap the character-improving rewards within it, or rather go out and have a beer or whatever.

But as I keep mentioning, that's not what people are talking about. They don't want options, they want to get something on their alts without spending the effort again. We have these threads all the time - most often about achievements or riding, but also skyshards and lorebooks, which have arguably way more game impact due to coming with skill points and mages guild advancement.

Its more like... people saying "Ah, nah, its too much of a bother for me to play that part of the game on an alt, so gimme!" and then cooking up some sort of flimsy justification how it would be "quality of life" if they were allowed to bypass the effort. How they deserve those freebies so "they are not forced to make the effort". And how it would not effect anyone else since "they can still work for it if they want to".
And that's why I call then "The Gimme Crowd" collectively. Also to showcase my rather low opinion of that entitlement mindset.

I would ask that you look at you own advice.

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Nightves wrote: »

If people are going to give the "just regrab the skyshards for the skillpoints" and "no gimmes" *** then you can *** off...

Someone should remember that...

And the fact remains that ZOS already decided to give everyone playing ESO -more- account wide stuff then in any other MMORPG I ever played through shared bank, guilds and the whole bloody champion system!
And yet there are still greedy people who have the chuzpah to demand more, who have the sense of entitlement to think they deserve more somehow,
and get insulting when others object
as we do not wish to see the game demeaned that way!

Yes, we DO think that if you want something, you should work for it, and if you want something twice, you should work for it twice!
Its not like all the rooms in your house are cleaned after you clean one room, now is it? So why should all the characters on your account get something when you do it on your main?
As I said, if aou care enough, you will do the work another time for this or that alt, and if you don't care enough, you will do without on this or that alt. Your choice.

And the best you can possibly expect from ZOS is to monetarize any "shortcuts" just like they did with the crown riding lessons. Which I really would not mind, that way the impatient ones support the game with their eallet instead of spending theit time.

Also could you please explain in what way it wouldn't be quality of life for those of us who don't like grinding skyshards? Making it so that we can go straight to the parts of the game we like sounds like QoL to me.

And could you also please say why you are opposed to having it as an option? Would it affect you negatively in any way?

mwo1480 · March 2018

Tetrafy wrote: »

As much as I love to re collect 1000 collectables it would be nice to only have to do this once per account. Nothing burns out new users more than a necessary grind to make other characters viable. Especially on console, we don't get addons.

yeah powerfull mageguild and fighter guilds ults on a lvl 3, dont see any problems with that (sarcasm)

sure they should update map locations for skyshards/lorebooks on console, or find a way to put addons on consoles (wich would be a great thing)

making thm account wide is just a dumb idea and is not what they are made for (collecting i mean)
personaly i like to hunt for them on each new character, gives me a reason to go in boring delfs and stuff

Tetrafy · March 2018

mwo1480 wrote: »

Tetrafy wrote: »

As much as I love to re collect 1000 collectables it would be nice to only have to do this once per account. Nothing burns out new users more than a necessary grind to make other characters viable. Especially on console, we don't get addons.

yeah powerfull mageguild and fighter guilds ults on a lvl 3, dont see any problems with that (sarcasm)

sure they should update map locations for skyshards/lorebooks on console, or find a way to put addons on consoles (wich would be a great thing)

making thm account wide is just a dumb idea and is not what they are made for (collecting i mean)
personaly i like to hunt for them on each new character, gives me a reason to go in boring delfs and stuff

I bet a majority of people don't like to do it, why can't we have it both ways. I also answered your concern in the OP with soft caps to prevent level 3s with meteor. And this topic is only about lorebooks and skyshards.

Tetrafy · March 2018

TheShadowScout wrote: »

MAEK wrote: »

The best way to do this would be as some others have already said: make it an option...

Rejoice - it already IS optional!
You can choose to grab all skyshards, and get the skill points for each of your characters...
...or you can choose not to on some of your characters, and do without the skill points!
Much like you can choose on each character to have them grab the mages guild lorebooks and max the guild progression, or not and do without meteor or the other goodies...
Much like you can choose on each character to slot a skill and raise it to morph and max it, or not and just forget that particular skill...
Much like you can choose on each character if you wanna PvP and unlock the cool stuff from the assualt and support skill lines, or not and do without vigor and caltrops...
Much like you can choose on each character to have them steal for fun and TG advancement, and max that guild, or not and do without all the perks a member in good standing gets to enjoy...
Much like you can choose on each character to train your riding every day, or not and make do with a far less useful mount...
Much like you can choose on each character to have them murder for fun and TG advancement, and max that guild, or not and forego the advantages you get as high level assassin...
Much like you can choose on each character to actually play them and gain experience to raise your level, or not and let them loiter forever in coldharbour...
...
Much like you can choose for yourself if you want to actually -play- this game, and reap the character-improving rewards within it, or rather go out and have a beer or whatever.

But as I keep mentioning, that's not what people are talking about. They don't want options, they want to get something on their alts without spending the effort again. We have these threads all the time - most often about achievements or riding, but also skyshards and lorebooks, which have arguably way more game impact due to coming with skill points and mages guild advancement.

Its more like... people saying "Ah, nah, its too much of a bother for me to play that part of the game on an alt, so gimme!" and then cooking up some sort of flimsy justification how it would be "quality of life" if they were allowed to bypass the effort. How they deserve those freebies so "they are not forced to make the effort". And how it would not effect anyone else since "they can still work for it if they want to".
And that's why I call then "The Gimme Crowd" collectively. Also to showcase my rather low opinion of that entitlement mindset.

I'm giving feedback, on a forum for this game. If the majority of newcomers see this as an issue taking enjoyment out of the game which could be spent doing other stuff in the game why wouldn't you listen? They want advice from veterans in the game, sometimes new eyes can help fill the gaps to help the next guy out.

MasterSpatula · March 2018

My character's achievements are their own. That's why they're characters and not toons. That's part of why I choose this game over others.

Saturnana · March 2018

Tetrafy wrote: »

mwo1480 wrote: »

Tetrafy wrote: »

As much as I love to re collect 1000 collectables it would be nice to only have to do this once per account. Nothing burns out new users more than a necessary grind to make other characters viable. Especially on console, we don't get addons.

yeah powerfull mageguild and fighter guilds ults on a lvl 3, dont see any problems with that (sarcasm)

sure they should update map locations for skyshards/lorebooks on console, or find a way to put addons on consoles (wich would be a great thing)

making thm account wide is just a dumb idea and is not what they are made for (collecting i mean)
personaly i like to hunt for them on each new character, gives me a reason to go in boring delfs and stuff

I bet a majority of people don't like to do it, why can't we have it both ways. I also answered your concern in the OP with soft caps to prevent level 3s with meteor. And this topic is only about lorebooks and skyshards.

Because this is an MMO, not a single-player RPG, and both 'ways' would have to be balanced so that neither is more powerful. A toggle is nice for the people that want to do the skyshard hunt themselves (which is a much larger group than you think, so watch out with the bets you make) but having that toggle also means that players who don't want to do the grind again will have access to much more skill points much earlier in the game. This is anything but balanced - especially from a PvP point of view. Adding a soft-cap does not mitigate this.

EDIT: This shared-experience/achievement/whatever discussion pops up every now and then and I really don't understand why people would want this. The game works a certain way. Characters need to perform (a certain amount of) quests, tasks etc. to earn more skills, experience and the like.. and if you want to progress more than one character through the game's story, then you are more than allowed to do so. But you can't apply one character's experiences to the other. This is an RPG. Every character is a new individual, a new story, a new adventure. The only thing they have in common is the narrator - you. You wouldn't skip to the ending of a new book, just because you've read something similar before.. would you? Doing so would be cheating. And in this case, you're cheating yourself out of game-play. Which is weird... because you've started a new character to enjoy more game-play.

SugaComa · March 2018

Yes and no ... Why not have the option to link characters ... So when you create a new one the character can start a fresh or be linked to another so both are now operating as one ...

Caveat you must be 160cp plus to link new character ... Also linked characters get to play over land in hard mode

Calsifer · March 2018

How bout just for console players? PC cheaters. . . Er . . . no, thats about right. PC Cheaters already have mods to make it STUPID easy to do.

Jade1986 · March 2018

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Nightves wrote: »

If people are going to give the "just regrab the skyshards for the skillpoints" and "no gimmes" *** then you can *** off...

Someone should remember that...

And the fact remains that ZOS already decided to give everyone playing ESO -more- account wide stuff then in any other MMORPG I ever played through shared bank, guilds and the whole bloody champion system!
And yet there are still greedy people who have the chuzpah to demand more, who have the sense of entitlement to think they deserve more somehow, and get insulting when others object as we do not wish to see the game demeaned that way!

Yes, we DO think that if you want something, you should work for it, and if you want something twice, you should work for it twice!
Its not like all the rooms in your house are cleaned after you clean one room, now is it? So why should all the characters on your account get something when you do it on your main?
As I said, if aou care enough, you will do the work another time for this or that alt, and if you don't care enough, you will do without on this or that alt. Your choice.

And the best you can possibly expect from ZOS is to monetarize any "shortcuts" just like they did with the crown riding lessons. Which I really would not mind, that way the impatient ones support the game with their eallet instead of spending theit time.

Lol wut, no it doesnt.

Swtor Has Legacy, which includes.

Account wide achievements
Legacy Bank AND Character Bank
Guild Banks
Free Mount speed upgrades that automatically upgrade as you level
Legacy Wide Datacrons (skyshards)

Those alone are more than what we get here. Legacy systems are a given for most mmos now a days, what you are describing are Korean MMOs which are pure P2W anyway and are not a good example as really no one plays them now a days.

I love this game, but it in some serious need of QoL improvements. Expecting people to dedicate hundreds if not thousands of hours to each toon is absurd and completely unreasonable for any normal person.

Also, your view on people wanting to be able to enjoy the game how they want to enjoy it is pretty abhorrent tbh. " Play how I want, or pay for it "

Jade1986 · March 2018

lnsane wrote: »

Tetrafy wrote: »

mwo1480 wrote: »

Tetrafy wrote: »

As much as I love to re collect 1000 collectables it would be nice to only have to do this once per account. Nothing burns out new users more than a necessary grind to make other characters viable. Especially on console, we don't get addons.

yeah powerfull mageguild and fighter guilds ults on a lvl 3, dont see any problems with that (sarcasm)

sure they should update map locations for skyshards/lorebooks on console, or find a way to put addons on consoles (wich would be a great thing)

making thm account wide is just a dumb idea and is not what they are made for (collecting i mean)
personaly i like to hunt for them on each new character, gives me a reason to go in boring delfs and stuff

I bet a majority of people don't like to do it, why can't we have it both ways. I also answered your concern in the OP with soft caps to prevent level 3s with meteor. And this topic is only about lorebooks and skyshards.

Because this is an MMO, not a single-player RPG, and both 'ways' would have to be balanced so that neither is more powerful. A toggle is nice for the people that want to do the skyshard hunt themselves (which is a much larger group than you think, so watch out with the bets you make) but having that toggle also means that players who don't want to do the grind again will have access to much more skill points much earlier in the game. This is anything but balanced - especially from a PvP point of view. Adding a soft-cap does not mitigate this.

EDIT: This shared-experience/achievement/whatever discussion pops up every now and then and I really don't understand why people would want this. The game works a certain way. Characters need to perform (a certain amount of) quests, tasks etc. to earn more skills, experience and the like.. and if you want to progress more than one character through the game's story, then you are more than allowed to do so. But you can't apply one character's experiences to the other. This is an RPG. Every character is a new individual, a new story, a new adventure. The only thing they have in common is the narrator - you. You wouldn't skip to the ending of a new book, just because you've read something similar before.. would you? Doing so would be cheating. And in this case, you're cheating yourself out of game-play. Which is weird... because you've started a new character to enjoy more game-play.

Thats why there could be a soft cap as to how many skill points you get given per level from the skyshards you already got. Problem solved.

Violynne · March 2018

TheShadowScout wrote: »

And that's why I call then "The Gimme Crowd" collectively. Also to showcase my rather low opinion of that entitlement mindset.

It's an ignorant mindset, frankly, and you have proven you're missing the point.

Based on your position, CP points shouldn't be distributed to alts immediately. Fine. ZoS, please remove all CP from players who didn't "earn" them on the alts.

Once the massive exodus clears out when people leave the game, perhaps then you'll understand the issue.

ZoS changed the game. They did so to make it easier for people to create alts so they can enjoy the game. It's much, much easier to level an alt now that it was when the game was released.

Ask the majority if they want Veteran ranking returned and overwhelmingly the answer would be "HELL NO!"

Now, given this, the restrictions of leveling those alts now runs into an issue of skill building. Leveling 1-50 is faster than ever, but skill leveling has not been given the same treatment.

One Tamriel broke the mold (thank goodness), but introducing the CP system now put many behind this arrogant attitude we must "earn" everything.

I don't disagree, but the hypocrisy remains when it comes to CP.

You either understand the issue or you have your CP removed from all alts who didn't earn it.

Let's see how the audience reacts if people feel CP should be reset back to "1" on their alts.

The entire point of giving players the opportunity to quickly level alts comes from the fact most people don't fill 8 slots of characters having the same class, skills, and attributes.

Most I've seen look like this:
stamSorc
magSor
magBlade
stamBlade
etc etc

All possible because alt leveling is now quicker.

I've not met one single person who enjoyed leveling 8 alts in Veteran. I'm sure some exist, but most hated the grind.

All to get alts who are flexible for grouping, rather than constantly spending gold to respec.

This is the issue. It has nothing to do with "gimme", but more to align what's already been given to us: faster alt creations.

Grabmoore · March 2018

Calsifer wrote: »

How bout just for console players? PC cheaters. . . Er . . . no, thats about right. PC Cheaters already have mods to make it STUPID easy to do.

Easy fix. Buy a PC. A friend switched to PC 30 days ago, he is now BiS with 350 CPs and his vma lightning staff already. Just leave this mess that is console be.

AlnilamE · March 2018

MAEK wrote: »

The best way to do this would be as some others have already said: make it an option. That way those who want to get all skyshards with all new character can do so, and those who don't enjoy that aren't forced to do it. Personally I see no reason why anyone would be against this, as it would only effect the person who makes the choice.

The question is why do you even need all skyshards on every character.

I just went to a skill point calculator and threw together a sorc DPS build. With ALL class skills and passives, ALL destro skills and passives, all Light armor passives and Harness magicka, all Mages Guild skills except Volcanic Rune and a couple of Undaunted and Alliance War skills thrown in for good measure, the build requires 124 of 390 possible skill points.

I'm sure the same can be thrown together for any class and if this is a focused build you will actually require less than that amount because nobody has a 20-skill rotation.

Now, you get 64 skill points just by hitting level 50. That leaves you with 60 points to find.

You can get 14 from finishing the main quest, 20 from doing the group challenge in public dungeons and 24 from running the normal non-DLC dungeons and doing the quest (which if you were smart you were doing while you were leveling anyway because it's good XP AND you are leveling Undaunted while you are at it)

That leaves you all of 2 skill points, which you can easily find either by going to Cyrodiil and sneezing at an enemy keep, running DLC dungeons, doing any of the main story quests in any zone.

So this fixation with skyhards is entirely unnecessary.

Let people who enjoy finding them keep finding them and focus on getting the minimal amount of skill points you need for your build (which you will mostly get by leveling), which you can do entirely without skyshards to begin with.

AlnilamE · March 2018

Nightves wrote: »

If people are going to give the "just regrab the skyshards for the skillpoints" and "no gimmes" *** then you can *** off. I'm sorry, but if you want absolutely no "gimmes", then start a forum right now asking ZoS to reset your cp for every new* character, no random daily dungeon bonuses, and no account-wide dyes either. No "gimmes" right? You want us to just do the time-consuming work all over again. ZoS has changed a lot of aspects already in the game, and if all these ZoS Justice Warriors would shut their traps over something that doesn't do any harm to them, maybe we can get more of those changes.

I will let you know that I only let my characters use CP once they get to level 50.

And I was fine with the Vet rank system, so if ZOS wants to go back to that instead of CP, that's fine by me.

Nestor · March 2018

For those of you that say without an addon chasing skyshards and lorebooks is too much of a bother, then print out the maps and use those

Skyshards

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Skyshards

http://dulfy.net/2014/02/25/eso-lorebooks-locations-guide/

There, you don't need an addon and printing out maps was how I found the shards and lore books on my first 4 characters back when just leveling them was the real chore.

karekiz · March 2018

Yes to Guilds/Skyshards

Make it so it unlocks *after* a player hits level 50. Boom no meteor on a level 1. No insta crafters. No complaints there.

Also I wonder how many people talking about "Earning" on a character were the same ones complaining that the old trait system was too harsh and needed a system to get the trait you wanted. I heard SOOO many complaints on VMA <Which if you do it once you can do it 100X>. Wouldn't it be *so* much fun to go back to the old way and make it so you have to farm the exact right trait + Exact right weapon on every single character? No? Thought so.

purple-magicb16_ESO · March 2018

This will never happen. They would be cutting out a huge chunk of play time thus enabling boredom within the game sooner. People get bored, people leave. From their perspective, grind is a grind but at least it keeps you playing.

Tetrafy · March 2018

Violynne wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

And that's why I call then "The Gimme Crowd" collectively. Also to showcase my rather low opinion of that entitlement mindset.

It's an ignorant mindset, frankly, and you have proven you're missing the point.

Based on your position, CP points shouldn't be distributed to alts immediately. Fine. ZoS, please remove all CP from players who didn't "earn" them on the alts.

Once the massive exodus clears out when people leave the game, perhaps then you'll understand the issue.

ZoS changed the game. They did so to make it easier for people to create alts so they can enjoy the game. It's much, much easier to level an alt now that it was when the game was released.

Ask the majority if they want Veteran ranking returned and overwhelmingly the answer would be "HELL NO!"

Now, given this, the restrictions of leveling those alts now runs into an issue of skill building. Leveling 1-50 is faster than ever, but skill leveling has not been given the same treatment.

One Tamriel broke the mold (thank goodness), but introducing the CP system now put many behind this arrogant attitude we must "earn" everything.

I don't disagree, but the hypocrisy remains when it comes to CP.

You either understand the issue or you have your CP removed from all alts who didn't earn it.

Let's see how the audience reacts if people feel CP should be reset back to "1" on their alts.

The entire point of giving players the opportunity to quickly level alts comes from the fact most people don't fill 8 slots of characters having the same class, skills, and attributes.

Most I've seen look like this:
stamSorc
magSor
magBlade
stamBlade
etc etc

All possible because alt leveling is now quicker.

I've not met one single person who enjoyed leveling 8 alts in Veteran. I'm sure some exist, but most hated the grind.

All to get alts who are flexible for grouping, rather than constantly spending gold to respec.

This is the issue. It has nothing to do with "gimme", but more to align what's already been given to us: faster alt creations.

100 percent more alts equate to guess what even more play time.

Tetrafy · March 2018

purple-magicb16_ESO wrote: »

This will never happen. They would be cutting out a huge chunk of play time thus enabling boredom within the game sooner. People get bored, people leave. From their perspective, grind is a grind but at least it keeps you playing.

If anything it keeps people from levelling alts thus lowering play time and less $$$.