Should all new DLC be included in ESO Plus as advertised

Juju_beans · March 2018

Other games that charge a sub fee don't give away their expansions for free. And they don't have any benefits to subs except access to the server.

We get a real good deal with ESO+. We get crown allowance, extra 10% xp bonus and free content via dlc's.

So I have no problem with paying for an expansion.

Cêltic421 · March 2018

If expansion packs are the way of they future the monthly price of ESO Plus should be lowered to reflect the lack of new content.

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

ZOS already explained this back when others brought this up with Morrowind.

Tru but people will complain this year next year and every year a new "chapter" Is being released...

CyborgPlatypus · March 2018

I don't mind. It's pretty cheap and morrowind was good content.

Jade1986 · March 2018

If expansion packs are the way of they future the monthly price of ESO Plus should be lowered to reflect the lack of new content.

KillingUGirl wrote: »

Is included DLC a thing of the past? If so shouldn’t ESO plus price be dropped to reflect the lack of new content?
Is this the new MO for ESO? The point of paying for ESO Plus every month is to assure access to all dlc apparently this has changed? I mean with Morrowind and now Summerset? Are they not making enough money lol. They really need to change what’s included in the ESO Plus membership at least and remove the statement of having access to ALL new DLC, legally that is misleading. Or will the new terminology for DLC now be “expansion pack” lol. If so we will be purchasing a new expansion every 6 months and eso plus will be an expensive crafting bag. I mean I think $180 a year cover any new expansions.

Zenimax Terms of service Eso Plus Members will have full access to all DLC game packs . Last time I checked new chapters or Exapnsion packs were downloadable content. To save us all a lot of trouble why not just change the wording of the ESO Plus membership to not be misleading it would alleviate these issues.

I do kind of think that the monthly price should drop to 8 €, its pretty scummy that they said all future doc and then back track

mrdiamond666 · March 2018

Im fine with them charging for a chapter (its not a dlc). Id rTHER THEM CHARGE per chapter ( if you have eso+ dlc's are free, this isnt a dlc) would you rather them unlock everything for free and charge a monthly subscription, or charge for certain things and let everybody play free?

Minyassa · March 2018

This isn't even a "way of the future" thing. Older games than TESO have been doing this with there being a difference between expansions and the DLC that's included with subs, this is far from a precedent. I expected it from the beginning because that's how it was in other games I've played. They're not trying to pull a fast one, this is how it's normally done.

Prof_Bawbag · March 2018

Jade1986 wrote: »

KillingUGirl wrote: »

Is included DLC a thing of the past? If so shouldn’t ESO plus price be dropped to reflect the lack of new content?
Is this the new MO for ESO? The point of paying for ESO Plus every month is to assure access to all dlc apparently this has changed? I mean with Morrowind and now Summerset? Are they not making enough money lol. They really need to change what’s included in the ESO Plus membership at least and remove the statement of having access to ALL new DLC, legally that is misleading. Or will the new terminology for DLC now be “expansion pack” lol. If so we will be purchasing a new expansion every 6 months and eso plus will be an expensive crafting bag. I mean I think $180 a year cover any new expansions.

Zenimax Terms of service Eso Plus Members will have full access to all DLC game packs . Last time I checked new chapters or Exapnsion packs were downloadable content. To save us all a lot of trouble why not just change the wording of the ESO Plus membership to not be misleading it would alleviate these issues.

I do kind of think that the monthly price should drop to 8 €, its pretty scummy that they said all future doc and then back track

This is a really good example of vote with your wallet. The reality is they're not going to backtrack on this now and whilst i agree with the sentiment behind your point, it will make zero difference what you say on the forums on the matter.

Not read others posts, so I apologise if you have mentioned this previously, but if you're still subbing, then it makes your argument even more hollow. You know yourself the eso+ sub isn't an essential in life so it's not as if you're stuck with it a la energy bills, mortgage, food bills etc.

Myself, I don't pay into ESO+ for the dlc as I tend to buy them all (apart from the horns dlc), so what's included and what isn't makes no real difference to me. Now, if they screwed around with the craft bag or made it available as a 1 off purchase, I'd drop the sub without hesitation. After all, the 1500 crs are next to worthless now and all the other garbage that comes with it is of no use to me at all. My point is, the inclusion of dlc seems an important factor to you as the craft bag is for myself, so you know the right thing to do.

Prof_Bawbag · March 2018

Minyassa wrote: »

This isn't even a "way of the future" thing. Older games than TESO have been doing this with there being a difference between expansions and the DLC that's included with subs, this is far from a precedent. I expected it from the beginning because that's how it was in other games I've played. They're not trying to pull a fast one, this is how it's normally done.

I think you're missing the point. We know other games do it, but it's how all this was originally worded that folk have issue with. Did all those other games you mention go down the same route? As in mentioned all dlc would be free, then kinda move the goal posts? Dlc is a pretty broad term tbf and a lot of people seem to think dlc is only restricted to micros or 2-4 hour content. DLC can mean anything. If it's downloadable and not a full on game, then it's content.

Jade1986 · March 2018

If expansion packs are the way of they future the monthly price of ESO Plus should be lowered to reflect the lack of new content.

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Jade1986 wrote: »

KillingUGirl wrote: »

Is included DLC a thing of the past? If so shouldn’t ESO plus price be dropped to reflect the lack of new content?
Is this the new MO for ESO? The point of paying for ESO Plus every month is to assure access to all dlc apparently this has changed? I mean with Morrowind and now Summerset? Are they not making enough money lol. They really need to change what’s included in the ESO Plus membership at least and remove the statement of having access to ALL new DLC, legally that is misleading. Or will the new terminology for DLC now be “expansion pack” lol. If so we will be purchasing a new expansion every 6 months and eso plus will be an expensive crafting bag. I mean I think $180 a year cover any new expansions.

Zenimax Terms of service Eso Plus Members will have full access to all DLC game packs . Last time I checked new chapters or Exapnsion packs were downloadable content. To save us all a lot of trouble why not just change the wording of the ESO Plus membership to not be misleading it would alleviate these issues.

I do kind of think that the monthly price should drop to 8 €, its pretty scummy that they said all future doc and then back track

This is a really good example of vote with your wallet. The reality is they're not going to backtrack on this now and whilst i agree with the sentiment behind your point, it will make zero difference what you say on the forums on the matter.

Not read others posts, so I apologise if you have mentioned this previously, but if you're still subbing, then it makes your argument even more hollow. You know yourself the eso+ sub isn't an essential in life so it's not as if you're stuck with it a la energy bills, mortgage, food bills etc.

Myself, I don't pay into ESO+ for the dlc as I tend to buy them all (apart from the horns dlc), so what's included and what isn't makes no real difference to me. Now, if they screwed around with the craft bag or made it available as a 1 off purchase, I'd drop the sub without hesitation. After all, the 1500 crs are next to worthless now and all the other garbage that comes with it is of no use to me at all. My point is, the inclusion of dlc seems an important factor to you as the craft bag is for myself, so you know the right thing to do.

I pay into eso+ for the crafting bag mostly. That being said I can still hve the opinion it should be lower and still sub. I am under no illusion either way that it would ever be changed.

NeillMcAttack · March 2018

ESO Plus should include all New content as advertised

Paying a premium on top of a sub is a sure fire way to make someone feel they shouldn’t be bothered playing, never mind paying.

Just speaking from experience.

On the other hand, I see players here are happy to pay both, to those I ask, is it really worth paying twice? Because I’ve never understood how they get away with it.

Grabmoore · March 2018

No expansion packs are the way of the future and we should be willing to pay for them in addition to our ESO Plus

monktoasty wrote: »

Everything should be free when there's microtransactions and loot crates. I hate this double dipping games do now.

Our purchase if expansions or dlcs should INCLUDE EVERYTGING we should NOT have to buy expansions and still have to buy loot crates to get cool stuff

Gaming is DEAD thanks to greedy zos and companies who do this

ESO is not a free to play game. You are describing an entirely different business model.

Also, noone needs those crown crates. They are cosmetic stuff. I wonder, who is more greedy. ZOS, or you "I want everything without paying for it" guys.

It's not false advertisement, it's a change in business. Today, wrothgar would have been a chapter, too.

Bbsample197 · March 2018

Stop necroing thread!!

Oh wait nvm i thought ive seen this a year ago

xXSilverDragonXx · March 2018

ESO Plus should include all New content as advertised

The same uprising happened last year over morrowind. It was not pretty and it cost them probably millions of players. I agreed back then. Now I just wait for the sales.

IMHO morrowind wasn't even worth the $40. It really wasn't. Sure it had a trial, but so does CWC. Sure it had a big map, but so does wrothgar and wrothgar doesn't have a massive volcano smack in the middle of it. Sure it had the warden, but the warden really was rather underwhelming and they nerfed the hell out of the templar to make it look better. It is the worst for dps, almost like a gimmick rather than a class.

That experience has made it so that I will only buy sommerset on sale for as close to $20 as I can get it. I just don't see the extra value in this content having experienced it already in morrowind. In retrospect I almost regret buying morrowind but I didn't pay that much so not really. Sommerset? Sale or no go.

And it is giving you morrowind with it if I understand correctly? Slap in the face to all that spent money on morrowind. Won't be doing that again. I can wait a year. By then I probably won't be playing.

Their business model needs serious work.

Romo · March 2018

No expansion packs are the way of the future and we should be willing to pay for them in addition to our ESO Plus

KillingUGirl wrote: »

SecretJoy wrote: »

KillingUGirl wrote: »

words mean a lot and according to their words they are direct violation of their terms of service. Legally they could be held accountable. Just change the wording to what Is included then if that’s they way they are going to be problem solved.

Well, that's more an argument about what is considered "DLC", since that is what is included according to their terminology.

As of now, Morrowind and Summerset are not considered "DLC" in ESO, ergo, they're not included.

If I can “download” it, it’s DLC

You can also buy a physical copy. Can you do that with any of the actual DLCs in game? No.

Argument isn’t whether or not I can buy it the argument is whether or not it’s downloadable, is it downloadable yes end of discussion.
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Sigh.

So the base game is downloadable. So its a DLC. So we don't have to even pay for the base game on any of the servers, except one??

Cuthceol · March 2018

Morrwind is DLC, I've never purchased a physical copy of Morrwind and yet I have access to Morrwind, it must therefore be DLC

Grabmoore · March 2018

No expansion packs are the way of the future and we should be willing to pay for them in addition to our ESO Plus

WasteOfTime wrote: »

Morrwind is DLC, I've never purchased a physical copy of Morrwind and yet I have access to Morrwind, it must therefore be DLC

Your nickname suits you well. At least you warn us before starting a serious discussion. Thanks.

TelvanniWizard · March 2018

ESO Plus should include all New content as advertised

Grabmoore wrote: »

WasteOfTime wrote: »

Morrwind is DLC, I've never purchased a physical copy of Morrwind and yet I have access to Morrwind, it must therefore be DLC

Your nickname suits you well. At least you warn us before starting a serious discussion. Thanks.

Well, he is right. DLC stands for downloadable content. Today most games can be downloaded, even the base-games. But here the controversy is not idiomatic. ESO is the base game. Every other little or big thing we get that expands this base game is a DLC, downloadable content. I don´t care what other games do. ESO told subs that they wouldn´t have to pay for DLC. And yet we are here, paying for chapters, wich are expansions to the base game, expansions we download, i.e. DLC´s.

craigr02 · March 2018

No expansion packs are the way of the future and we should be willing to pay for them in addition to our ESO Plus

itzTJ wrote: »

Where the option for them STOP shitting out content and fix the performance. Personally i feel cheated by this but more i feel cheated that if i want to even play this trash bag game i have to buy this chapter.. New skill line? Jewelry crafting? Ya i have to buy it to stay competitive. And this is why they'll never fix this game. Trash.

Most likely jewellery crafting will be game wide. As for being competitive, you dont neccasarily need the new skill line. We dont even know how good it will be, it could be garbage, but if youre worried about meta and if the new skill line includes this, then yeah you should purchase it, if you play your own game and dont worry about meta, you will be alright.
What I detect is some negative, saltiness. Sometimes its best to not be so negative, if you learn to articulate your words in a non negative manner more people will take you seriously, and not just shrug you off as a negative troll.

wolfie1.0. · March 2018

Note: another poll that has options in it that make you look stupid if you don't agree with the OP. In which case there is no point to the poll

zParallaxz · March 2018

SecretJoy wrote: »

KillingUGirl wrote: »

Is included DLC a thing of the past? If so shouldn’t ESO plus price be dropped to reflect the lack of new content?
Is this the new MO for ESO? The point of paying for ESO Plus every month is to assure access to all dlc apparently this has changed? I mean with Morrowind and now Summerset? Are they not making enough money lol. They really need to change what’s included in the ESO Plus membership at least and remove they all new dlc part. Or will the new terminology for DLC now be “expansion pack” lol. If so we will be purchasing a new expansion every 6 months and eso plus will be an expensive crafting bag.

Morrowind and Summerset aren't DLC, they're new "chapters". You still get access to DLC like Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood, Orsinium, etc. for free.

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

We had this discussion LAST YEAR. Chapters are not DLC. You are not required to buy it (although I love my fire cat mount.)

Why are u guys as fellow gamers supporting this, the only reason why ZOS can get away with some [snip] tatic like this is because gamers like allow it. If a majority of people didn’t fall for, “ this isn’t dlc it’s a chapter with more content therefore it’s cant be combined with eso plus or be purchased with crowns” bs, ZOS would have to put it under eso plus. We the gamers are the consumers, we determine how the company acts. All it would take would a simple de sub and not buying their chapter for a month or two and they would have to cave.

[Edited to remove profanity]

neverwalk · March 2018

Game will die a quick death without money coming in. Shut the _uck up.

Cuyler · March 2018

ESO Plus should include all New content as advertised

I had been an ESO+ member since it's inception up until about a year ago when I took a break from the game, just before the change to the "Chapter" business model.

The idea that I paid into a membership program at a predetermined price on a predetermined schedule offered peace of mind that I would always have the latest and greatest content to play. It was a simple plan, budgetable and ALL the content.

I purchased ESO+ again upon returning, immediately I was prompted to spend more money for a "Chapter". What is this...I asked myself? I used to get ALL new DLC content with my ESO+ membership. What exactly do I get for my ESO+ now? Hmm, apparently not ALL the new DLC content that ESO+ was advertised as originally.

I felt cheated. I know, I know, I should of read the fine print of the ESO+ TOS cause apparently they changed it. *Goes and re-reads ESO+ TOS for the trolls*

I then pull out my wallet and purchase the Morrowind "Chapter". A few days later, what's this? a pre-order for a "New Chapter". *Le sigh*. Listen, I don't have problem with the price, ZOS needs money, hell...we all do. This is a great game and in constant development. I'm willing to pay for it.

At it's inception ESO+ was a pay one price on a set schedule, get ALL the content deal. It was simple, budgetable, and ALL the content. Offering a HIGHER tier $ of ESO+ that does truly include ALL content is the answer. Make it happen @ZOS!

Sevn · March 2018

zParallaxz wrote: »

SecretJoy wrote: »

KillingUGirl wrote: »

Is included DLC a thing of the past? If so shouldn’t ESO plus price be dropped to reflect the lack of new content?
Is this the new MO for ESO? The point of paying for ESO Plus every month is to assure access to all dlc apparently this has changed? I mean with Morrowind and now Summerset? Are they not making enough money lol. They really need to change what’s included in the ESO Plus membership at least and remove they all new dlc part. Or will the new terminology for DLC now be “expansion pack” lol. If so we will be purchasing a new expansion every 6 months and eso plus will be an expensive crafting bag.

Morrowind and Summerset aren't DLC, they're new "chapters". You still get access to DLC like Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood, Orsinium, etc. for free.

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

We had this discussion LAST YEAR. Chapters are not DLC. You are not required to buy it (although I love my fire cat mount.)

Why are u guys as fellow gamers supporting this, the only reason why ZOS can get away with some [snip] tatic like this is because gamers like allow it. If a majority of people didn’t fall for, “ this isn’t dlc it’s a chapter with more content therefore it’s cant be combined with eso plus or be purchased with crowns” bs, ZOS would have to put it under eso plus. We the gamers are the consumers, we determine how the company acts. All it would take would a simple de sub and not buying their chapter for a month or two and they would have to cave.

Because a lot of us gamers have ran/owned businesses and understand that zos is a business and business models change when needed.

You are free to vote with your wallet, however you are not free to tell anyone else what they should or should not support with theirs. I'm not falling for anything, I'm well aware of how a business works.

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Okiir · March 2018

ESO Plus should include all New content as advertised

neverwalk wrote: »

Game will die a quick death without money coming in. Shut the _uck up.

My god, this is so true. Why did I never think about this before.

If it's okay with you I want to use this argument in an open letter I plan on sending to Bethesda Game Studios on why they should totally use the same monetization practices for Elder Scrolls VI, that ZOS use for ESO.

This is what I have so far:

Dear Todd Howard

Game will die a quick death without money coming in. Shut the _uck up.

Sincerely, a fan

Sevn · March 2018

Okiir wrote: »

neverwalk wrote: »

Game will die a quick death without money coming in. Shut the _uck up.

My god, this is so true. Why did I never think about this before.

If it's okay with you I want to use this argument in an open letter I plan on sending to Bethesda Game Studios on why they should use the same monetization practices for Elder Srolls VI, that ZOS use for ESO.

This is what I have so far:

Dear Todd Howard

Game will die a quick death without money coming in. Shut the _uck up.

Sincerely, a fan

You are comparing a single player game business model to an mmo business model? Yep, totally the same thing.

ArvenAldmeri · March 2018

No expansion packs are the way of the future and we should be willing to pay for them in addition to our ESO Plus

Its terrible how people complain about having to pay for one huge chapter a year. Meanwhile EA puts out DLC to a DLC. Lol. Just stop complaining, both morrowind and summerset are worth every cent I put in it. And I bough the collectors edition both times. The content in it is huuuuge. So much new stuff I am still yet to complete everything.

Beardimus · March 2018

No expansion packs are the way of the future and we should be willing to pay for them in addition to our ESO Plus

Damn the entitlement runs high. If i have to drop £20 once a year on a game i love that's a cheap hobby.

Mureel · March 2018

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

We had this discussion LAST YEAR. Chapters are not DLC. You are not required to buy it (although I love my fire cat mount.)

Their changing the name to do an end run around what we were sold, was BS! Hearing people being all 'but it's a chapter!' makes me sick.

You should have seen the utter silence for MONTHS, in the lead up to the removal of required subs and change to a pay for DLC or Sub, with the arrival of the Imperial City DLC.

They said from the start 'required subs' that would 'cover all content' and that has changed starting with IC and then changed more with Morrowind - with never a real explanation. Changing the name to chapter, of 1 of the 4 min dlcs promised under the plus membership does NOT an explanation make.

That said, I love the game and I find paying the extra worthwhile, have even already bought Summerset. However, that fact does not change the fact that ZOS has been pretty shady about these changes.

Kalfis · March 2018

No expansion packs are the way of the future and we should be willing to pay for them in addition to our ESO Plus

Nah...and only just because I like to see people freak out over it, threaten to quit.... But never do.

PlagueSD · March 2018

No expansion packs are the way of the future and we should be willing to pay for them in addition to our ESO Plus

KillingUGirl wrote: »

words mean a lot and according to their words they are direct violation of their terms of service. Legally they could be held accountable. Just change the wording to what Is included then if that’s they way they are going to be problem solved.

Well, that's more an argument about what is considered "DLC", since that is what is included according to their terminology.

As of now, Morrowind and Summerset are not considered "DLC" in ESO, ergo, they're not included.

If I can “download” it, it’s DLC

DLC <> Expansion (chapter in ESO language). EVERYTHING is digital these days. Just because you can download it doesn't make it DLC as defined by Bethesda/Zenimax. Also, You can purchase a "physical" copy of a Chapter. DLC content is 100% digital.

Since I have an active ESO+ membership, I get DLC content for "free". THAT is what they mean by DLC. If I no longer want to subscribe to the game, I lose access to the "DLC" content. Since I "pay" for Chapters, I have access to them independent of my ESO+ status. If I decide to purchase "DLC" content, I will keep access even if I cancel my ESO+ subscription.

Chapters:

Morrowind
Summerset

DLC:

Imperial City
Orsinium
Thieves Guild
Dark Brotherhood
Shadows of the Hist
Horns of the Reach
Clockwork City