Should all new DLC be included in ESO Plus as advertised

bloodthirstyvampire · March 2018

I don’t care I just love spending money

DarcyMardin · March 2018

This again. /eyeroll

monktoasty · March 2018

ESO Plus should include all New content as advertised

Everything should be free when there's microtransactions and loot crates. I hate this double dipping games do now.

Our purchase if expansions or dlcs should INCLUDE EVERYTGING we should NOT have to buy expansions and still have to buy loot crates to get cool stuff

Gaming is DEAD thanks to greedy zos and companies who do this

Fingolfinn01 · March 2018

its art and subjective to what the individual will pay. Its cheaper though this time round.

Anotherone773 · March 2018

Lets look at this logically. If:

* You had/have ESO+ already, you considered it valuable enough to purvha

monktoasty wrote: »

Everything should be free when there's microtransactions and loot crates. I hate this double dipping games do now.

Our purchase if expansions or dlcs should INCLUDE EVERYTGING we should NOT have to buy expansions and still have to buy loot crates to get cool stuff

Gaming is DEAD thanks to greedy zos and companies who do this

Its not double dipping. Its actually a hybrid system in which players can decide how much they want to spend on a game, because no matter how much you charge, player seem to think that games should be 100% free and that devs should not need to get paid to go to work.

The hybrid system allows you to pay for what you want and nothing you dont.

* Base game, no commitment: One price access to all original areas, play as much as you want, never spend another penny.
* Sub: Extra benefits for a monthly fee. If you want to support the game on a monthly basis, we will give you more benefits than a "free" player.
* Prem currency: Want to buy extras? A costume? Mount? Pets? Maybe your own personal banker? Pay for what you want, and nothing you dont.

It gives people options which appeals to more people. Some people like MT style of play, others( like me) prefer to just sub, and some just want to pay one price for X content and not have to worry about buying anything else to keep playing.

NewBlacksmurf · March 2018

If expansion packs are the way of they future the monthly price of ESO Plus should be lowered to reflect the lack of new content.

My opinion is eso plus shouldn’t exist.

Grimm13 · March 2018

ESO Plus should include all New content as advertised

The Model was done to help with the development of expansion. You got a few benefits to make it worth keeping this model running instead of just having to run the access then drop it again.

It was further reinforced with loyalty rewards. Items not available in the game but not giving an advantage either. They dropped this and have done nothing to replace this.

So at $15 a month we have $180 a year. When you had 4 DLC's each worked out to being $45 a DLC. Not a great value over buying directly but you did have the monthly bonus which has a value and a yearly thank you for loyalty.

Now with 3 DLC's it's $60 a DLC, no yearly thank you but a Chapter that they also want you to buy directly to increase what you spend to get the same previous experience of content. let us say $30 on the DDC (Digital Download Chapter) so it's now $210 a year snuck in currently. There is no guarantee that there will be three DLCs a year, we only have to take this at face value based on past actions and credibility of the company.

The past actions is that they are deceptively increasing prices and reducing services. This undermines player confidences who see this as untrustworthy actions for a company.

Players have to decide when enough is enough and quit paying for a subscription model that no longer supports the original ideas of the agreement.

Sevn · March 2018

Look at the agreement again that you just keep bringing up and you will see it states all available dlc in the CROWN STORE, which contain neither of the chapters.

End of discussion.

Graydon · March 2018

KillingUGirl wrote: »

Simple solution, if you can’t actualy stand behind what you promise then change the wording to be better reflect what it is that you are actually providing. Not really that difficult.
companies could avoid a ton of issues with just a little common sense.

A ton of issues?? Hardly...it’s just you and few others. I don’t think ZOS is too worried about your issues.

Gilvoth · March 2018

ESO Plus should include all New content as advertised

KillingUGirl wrote: »

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

ZOS already explained this back when others brought this up with Morrowind.

Recremen wrote: »

We went over this last year with Morrowind. ESO Plus was initially sold to us as granting access to all four (FOUR) DLC per year. We got several quarters without a DLC, and now are permanently getting one less DLC per year due to the expansion pack model they're going with. ESO Plus has, instead of decreasing in price, gotten new systems associated with it to make up for the lost DLC.

Of course, we need new systems for ESO Plus every year to continue to make up for the loss. Hanging their hat on the craft bag isn't an option, that replaces one DLC at best. So I would recommend keeping up the pressure to make more ESO Plus systems and keep it an attractive offering. My personal recommendation for this year : no gold cost at the outfitting station for ESO Plus members.

So we should just accept it ? The only reason they get away is because people let them. The point here is misrepresentation. Quoting their Terms “ ESO Plus member will have access to all DLC content, game packs“ to me “all” means “all”. Thy should change their terms of service.

you realize we signed a new one before the announcement, in addition to that the tos is allways in thier favor and they can change its terms at anytime, even on the fly.
if we tried to fight that in court we would more then likely Loose badly even with a good lawyer because they hold all the cards with our signature on it and it goes according to other terms we cant control.
basicly they have free ticket to do as they please = el33t

Motherball · March 2018

ESO Plus should include all New content as advertised

Seems like a ripoff to me, but whatever. Im sure they’ll make a boatload of income.

rynth · March 2018

your choices are not very well done as they reflect your attitude and are nothing near good poll. Haven't we already discussed this enough when Morrowind was first announced, when Morrowind was launched, and a time after Morrowind had already been launched?????

You have this poll as if this is something new or revolutionary topic just thought up. If you do not like have to pay for an expansion then don't the wording is clear and has been for awhile now that DLC's and EXPANSIONS are completely different.

Slick_007 · March 2018

monktoasty wrote: »

Gaming is DEAD thanks to greedy zos and companies who do this

no, no. dk's are dead. havent you been paying attention?

VDoom1 · March 2018

No expansion packs are the way of the future and we should be willing to pay for them in addition to our ESO Plus

Small DLC's like a new dungeon is one thing, and I understand them being included in ESO plus membership. But these big expansions, nah can't say I want them included in ESO plus. For one then ESO plus should be more expensive.

monktoasty · March 2018

ESO Plus should include all New content as advertised

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Lets look at this logically. If:

* You had/have ESO+ already, you considered it valuable enough to purvha

monktoasty wrote: »

Everything should be free when there's microtransactions and loot crates. I hate this double dipping games do now.

Our purchase if expansions or dlcs should INCLUDE EVERYTGING we should NOT have to buy expansions and still have to buy loot crates to get cool stuff

Gaming is DEAD thanks to greedy zos and companies who do this

Its not double dipping. Its actually a hybrid system in which players can decide how much they want to spend on a game, because no matter how much you charge, player seem to think that games should be 100% free and that devs should not need to get paid to go to work.

The hybrid system allows you to pay for what you want and nothing you dont.

* Base game, no commitment: One price access to all original areas, play as much as you want, never spend another penny.
* Sub: Extra benefits for a monthly fee. If you want to support the game on a monthly basis, we will give you more benefits than a "free" player.
* Prem currency: Want to buy extras? A costume? Mount? Pets? Maybe your own personal banker? Pay for what you want, and nothing you dont.

It gives people options which appeals to more people. Some people like MT style of play, others( like me) prefer to just sub, and some just want to pay one price for X content and not have to worry about buying anything else to keep playing.

No there isn't any choice. You have to buy the game to play it then you have to buy loot crates for cool stuff.

It used to be you buy the game..then get to use in game gold or unlock cool stuff by playing the game.

You new gamers are insanely brain washed

Grimm13 · March 2018

ESO Plus should include all New content as advertised

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

KillingUGirl wrote: »

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

ZOS already explained this back when others brought this up with Morrowind.

Recremen wrote: »

We went over this last year with Morrowind. ESO Plus was initially sold to us as granting access to all four (FOUR) DLC per year. We got several quarters without a DLC, and now are permanently getting one less DLC per year due to the expansion pack model they're going with. ESO Plus has, instead of decreasing in price, gotten new systems associated with it to make up for the lost DLC.

Of course, we need new systems for ESO Plus every year to continue to make up for the loss. Hanging their hat on the craft bag isn't an option, that replaces one DLC at best. So I would recommend keeping up the pressure to make more ESO Plus systems and keep it an attractive offering. My personal recommendation for this year : no gold cost at the outfitting station for ESO Plus members.

So we should just accept it ? The only reason they get away is because people let them. The point here is misrepresentation. Quoting their Terms “ ESO Plus member will have access to all DLC content, game packs“ to me “all” means “all”. Thy should change their terms of service.

you realize we signed a new one before the announcement, in addition to that the tos is allways in thier favor and they can change its terms at anytime, even on the fly.
if we tried to fight that in court we would more then likely Loose badly even with a good lawyer because they hold all the cards with our signature on it and it goes according to other terms we cant control.
basicly they have free ticket to do as they please = el33t

We are free to express ourselves to them in the language that they understand best. To withhold buying subscriptions, crowns for shiney things or new expansions that do not live up to the hype.

Vahrokh · March 2018

If expansion packs are the way of they future the monthly price of ESO Plus should be lowered to reflect the lack of new content.

We have Wrothgar. A proper, nice, BIG chapter that included 2 public dungeons (like a chapter would do) and even a trial. Plus, it came with a nice storyline, with a powerful (Julianos) crafted set, like a chapter would do.

HOWEVER

Wrothgar has been called DLC, and rightly so.
Wrothgar is included in ESO+

The one "chapter" we got to date, is arguably same-if-not-sligthly-worse and shorter to complete.
But they renamed it "chapter" and that, magically, made it a separate pay and it's not included in ESO+.

This is a very debatable way to do business: you offer a subscription service but then create "out of nowhere" a fancy "chapter" word to justify additional nickel & dime.

Sumerset? It's a DLC in every point of view.
We have Sumerset assets right now, it means a lot of the content is already here BUT we are meant - as ESO+ subscribers - to pay content already in our game like every DLC would do... but like it was a separate product instead.

What's this, if not a shady practice?

TelvanniWizard · March 2018

ESO Plus should include all New content as advertised

You know, if it´s not part of the base game it´s a DLC. Calling it a chapter is a foolish try to disguise the reality of they charging suscribers for accessing some DLC´s, something that was not part of the initial agreement.

idk · March 2018

No expansion packs are the way of the future and we should be willing to pay for them in addition to our ESO Plus

It isn’t what it is and thus theead will be ignored by the business department as they have proven the current business model will work.

Besides, the fact that Zos has defined own added content as an expansion and not a dlc and has also provided additional value to the dlc the value of the subscription has not lost value.

Of course, anyone who disagrees has the option to cancel their eso+ at any time.

Elloa · March 2018

I don’t care I just love spending money

Again this discussion?

When Morrowind had been released it has been said again and again, that the release of the content would be

Q1: DLC
Q2: Chapter (paid)
Q3: Dungeon DLC
Q4: DLC

ESO+ is very interesting in itself. 1500 crown, access to all DLC, crafting bag, double bank space and more, really justify the price. I do nto see a single reason to complain.

Valkysas154 · March 2018

It's a chapter that really just a expansion but they wanted to call it something more fancy
I been playing MMORPGS since 1999 - eq1 and expansions -chapters- Always cost money
What ZoS is doing is the same as any other company out there since the 90's and not just mmorpgs
i remember expansions for games like quake 2 as well - had to pay for it-

I think instead you should be thanking ZOS for continuing the tradition of last expansion = free when you buy the new one
this helps new players not have to pay large sums of money just to catch up content wise when a game has allot of expansions

What ZoS should be ashamed of is still not giving us are compensation for losing a DLC a year with eso+ it's been almost a full year now

Jhalin · March 2018

If expansion packs are the way of they future the monthly price of ESO Plus should be lowered to reflect the lack of new content.

We should get all DLC, and no matter what garbage people try to spew, "chapters" are DLC. CWC has nearly identical amounts of content to Morrowind, and an entirely new craft system, which means a lot more the overall playerbase than Mr. Bear and his eternal confinement in Cyrodiil.

srfrogg23 · March 2018

I don’t care I just love spending money

Right, so... I look at it this way:

I played WoW for a number of years. $15 a month got me access to the game and nothing else. Expansions were purchased, separately from the sub-fee, between $45 and $60 each. On top of that, if you did not buy the expansions, you could not participate in the max level content.

I could play ESO for $0 a month, but my $15 a month gets me a lot of little extras, like 1500 crowns, more exp, faster research, a crafting bag, costume dyeing, and of course, the ability to try DLC content before I buy it. As an added bonus, if I were to not purchase the expansions or the DLCs, I can still participate in the majority of the end game content.

So, considering what I’m used to seeing, I don’t mind it when Zos chooses to create a rather large DLC and then call it an expansion. Everything else is, imo, more fair than what I’m accustomed to, so I’m willing to support the development of expansions by paying for them.

Jhalin · March 2018

If expansion packs are the way of they future the monthly price of ESO Plus should be lowered to reflect the lack of new content.

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Right, so... I look at it this way:

I played WoW for a number of years. $15 a month got me access to the game and nothing else. Expansions were purchased, separately from the sub-fee, between $45 and $60 each. On top of that, if you did not buy the expansions, you could not participate in the max level content.

I could play ESO for $0 a month, but my $15 a month gets me a lot of little extras, like 1500 crowns, more exp, faster research, a crafting bag, costume dyeing, and of course, the ability to try DLC content before I buy it. As an added bonus, if I were to not purchase the expansions or the DLCs, I can still participate in the majority of the end game content.

So, considering what I’m used to seeing, I don’t mind it when Zos chooses to create a rather large DLC and then call it an expansion. Everything else is, imo, more fair than what I’m accustomed to, so I’m willing to support the development of expansions by paying for them.

I'd be fine with paying for expansions if they were genuine expansions. Not single-zone DLCs being marketed under a different name just exclude it from ESO+.

exiars10 · March 2018

If expansion packs are the way of they future the monthly price of ESO Plus should be lowered to reflect the lack of new content.

monktoasty wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Lets look at this logically. If:

* You had/have ESO+ already, you considered it valuable enough to purvha

monktoasty wrote: »

Everything should be free when there's microtransactions and loot crates. I hate this double dipping games do now.

Our purchase if expansions or dlcs should INCLUDE EVERYTGING we should NOT have to buy expansions and still have to buy loot crates to get cool stuff

Gaming is DEAD thanks to greedy zos and companies who do this

Its not double dipping. Its actually a hybrid system in which players can decide how much they want to spend on a game, because no matter how much you charge, player seem to think that games should be 100% free and that devs should not need to get paid to go to work.

The hybrid system allows you to pay for what you want and nothing you dont.

* Base game, no commitment: One price access to all original areas, play as much as you want, never spend another penny.
* Sub: Extra benefits for a monthly fee. If you want to support the game on a monthly basis, we will give you more benefits than a "free" player.
* Prem currency: Want to buy extras? A costume? Mount? Pets? Maybe your own personal banker? Pay for what you want, and nothing you dont.

It gives people options which appeals to more people. Some people like MT style of play, others( like me) prefer to just sub, and some just want to pay one price for X content and not have to worry about buying anything else to keep playing.

No there isn't any choice. You have to buy the game to play it then you have to buy loot crates for cool stuff.

It used to be you buy the game..then get to use in game gold or unlock cool stuff by playing the game.

You new gamers are insanely brain washed

No no, you are brainwashed because you can't live without stupid shiny useless things from crown boxes.
Question yourself first then others.
And there is more than enough cosmetics in base game and DLCs which are unlocked just by playing.

srfrogg23 · March 2018

I don’t care I just love spending money

Jhalin wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Right, so... I look at it this way:

I played WoW for a number of years. $15 a month got me access to the game and nothing else. Expansions were purchased, separately from the sub-fee, between $45 and $60 each. On top of that, if you did not buy the expansions, you could not participate in the max level content.

I could play ESO for $0 a month, but my $15 a month gets me a lot of little extras, like 1500 crowns, more exp, faster research, a crafting bag, costume dyeing, and of course, the ability to try DLC content before I buy it. As an added bonus, if I were to not purchase the expansions or the DLCs, I can still participate in the majority of the end game content.

So, considering what I’m used to seeing, I don’t mind it when Zos chooses to create a rather large DLC and then call it an expansion. Everything else is, imo, more fair than what I’m accustomed to, so I’m willing to support the development of expansions by paying for them.

I'd be fine with paying for expansions if they were genuine expansions. Not single-zone DLCs being marketed under a different name just exclude it from ESO+.

It’s your money, I’m not going to tell you what to do with it. I’ve just personally found that Zos is pretty fair compared to some of their competitors when it comes to their monetization. Sure, they charge out the yang for cosmetic items, and the limited time bs is frustrating, but the rest is pretty good by comparison.

SecretJoy · March 2018

No expansion packs are the way of the future and we should be willing to pay for them in addition to our ESO Plus

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

srfrogg23 wrote: »

Right, so... I look at it this way:

I played WoW for a number of years. $15 a month got me access to the game and nothing else. Expansions were purchased, separately from the sub-fee, between $45 and $60 each. On top of that, if you did not buy the expansions, you could not participate in the max level content.

I could play ESO for $0 a month, but my $15 a month gets me a lot of little extras, like 1500 crowns, more exp, faster research, a crafting bag, costume dyeing, and of course, the ability to try DLC content before I buy it. As an added bonus, if I were to not purchase the expansions or the DLCs, I can still participate in the majority of the end game content.

So, considering what I’m used to seeing, I don’t mind it when Zos chooses to create a rather large DLC and then call it an expansion. Everything else is, imo, more fair than what I’m accustomed to, so I’m willing to support the development of expansions by paying for them.

I'd be fine with paying for expansions if they were genuine expansions. Not single-zone DLCs being marketed under a different name just exclude it from ESO+.

It’s your money, I’m not going to tell you what to do with it. I’ve just personally found that Zos is pretty fair compared to some of their competitors when it comes to their monetization. Sure, they charge out the yang for cosmetic items, and the limited time bs is frustrating, but the rest is pretty good by comparison.

Yep I agree. And at least all the stuff in the crown store is either cosmetic, or also obtainable in some way in the game.

A lot of other games out there are ridiculously pay to win because of the way they handle their in game cash shops.

Sevn · March 2018

Stop subbing for 2 or 3 months. Use sub funds to buy dlc. Resub. Sub pays for dlc. That's what I did with MW, that's what I'll do with summers. As their business model changes, so shall my spending habits.

Really people, stop acting like you don't have any control over how you spend your monies.

AlnilamE · March 2018

monktoasty wrote: »

Anotherone773 wrote: »

Lets look at this logically. If:

* You had/have ESO+ already, you considered it valuable enough to purvha

monktoasty wrote: »

Everything should be free when there's microtransactions and loot crates. I hate this double dipping games do now.

Our purchase if expansions or dlcs should INCLUDE EVERYTGING we should NOT have to buy expansions and still have to buy loot crates to get cool stuff

Gaming is DEAD thanks to greedy zos and companies who do this

Its not double dipping. Its actually a hybrid system in which players can decide how much they want to spend on a game, because no matter how much you charge, player seem to think that games should be 100% free and that devs should not need to get paid to go to work.

The hybrid system allows you to pay for what you want and nothing you dont.

* Base game, no commitment: One price access to all original areas, play as much as you want, never spend another penny.
* Sub: Extra benefits for a monthly fee. If you want to support the game on a monthly basis, we will give you more benefits than a "free" player.
* Prem currency: Want to buy extras? A costume? Mount? Pets? Maybe your own personal banker? Pay for what you want, and nothing you dont.

It gives people options which appeals to more people. Some people like MT style of play, others( like me) prefer to just sub, and some just want to pay one price for X content and not have to worry about buying anything else to keep playing.

No there isn't any choice. You have to buy the game to play it then you have to buy loot crates for cool stuff.

It used to be you buy the game..then get to use in game gold or unlock cool stuff by playing the game.

You new gamers are insanely brain washed

Personally, I bought crates once and that was enough. I buy all my cool stuff straight up with the crowns I get with ESO+

Also, it used to be you buy the game, then pay a monthly fee to play the game and unlock cool stuff by playing the game.

JKorr · March 2018

And if they'd have kept the game to pc only, and kept the mandatory subscription, this whole discussion might be a totally moot point. The crown store and fancy stuff would probably have still shown up, of course. However the game content might actually have remained "free" after you purchased the game. Although WoW did/does charge for expansions, and don't release new content constantly/quarterly.

Since so many players didn't want to have the subscription, the company changed the system. :shrug: The option is there to simply buy the base game, and don't bother with the "able to be purchased in the crown store for crowns" dlc, or the chapters that are not available for crowns in the crown store.

Even with using the crowns from my sub to buy the dlc outright so even if I have to cancel my sub for some reason I'll still have access to everything this is one of the cheapest hobbies I've ever picked up. I don't have a problem with the sub or paying for chapters if the content I'm interested in is there.