Should all new DLC be included in ESO Plus as advertised

KillingUGirl

Is included DLC a thing of the past? If so shouldn’t ESO plus price be dropped to reflect the lack of new content?
Is this the new MO for ESO? The point of paying for ESO Plus every month is to assure access to all dlc apparently this has changed? I mean with Morrowind and now Summerset? Are they not making enough money lol. They really need to change what’s included in the ESO Plus membership at least and remove the statement of having access to ALL new DLC, legally that is misleading. Or will the new terminology for DLC now be “expansion pack” lol. If so we will be purchasing a new expansion every 6 months and eso plus will be an expensive crafting bag. I mean I think $180 a year cover any new expansions.

Zenimax Terms of service Eso Plus Members will have full access to all DLC game packs . Last time I checked new chapters or Exapnsion packs were downloadable content. To save us all a lot of trouble why not just change the wording of the ESO Plus membership to not be misleading it would alleviate these issues.

SecretJoy

No expansion packs are the way of the future and we should be willing to pay for them in addition to our ESO Plus

KillingUGirl wrote: »

Is included DLC a thing of the past? If so shouldn’t ESO plus price be dropped to reflect the lack of new content?
Is this the new MO for ESO? The point of paying for ESO Plus every month is to assure access to all dlc apparently this has changed? I mean with Morrowind and now Summerset? Are they not making enough money lol. They really need to change what’s included in the ESO Plus membership at least and remove they all new dlc part. Or will the new terminology for DLC now be “expansion pack” lol. If so we will be purchasing a new expansion every 6 months and eso plus will be an expensive crafting bag.

Morrowind and Summerset aren't DLC, they're new "chapters". You still get access to DLC like Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood, Orsinium, etc. for free.

jedtb16_ESO

KillingUGirl wrote: »

Is included DLC a thing of the past? If so shouldn’t ESO plus price be dropped to reflect the lack of new content?
Is this the new MO for ESO? The point of paying for ESO Plus every month is to assure access to all dlc apparently this has changed? I mean with Morrowind and now Summerset? Are they not making enough money lol. They really need to change what’s included in the ESO Plus membership at least and remove the statement of having access to ALL new DLC, legally that is misleading. Or will the new terminology for DLC now be “expansion pack” lol. If so we will be purchasing a new expansion every 6 months and eso plus will be an expensive crafting bag. I mean I think $180 a year cover any new expansions.

you're a bit late with this.... morrowind happened a year ago. zos explained the business/release model back then too.

i'm ok with it.

Aliniel

ESO Plus should include all New content as advertised

I don't know i you were here one year ago when they announced the Morrowind for the first time. I was an active ESO+ member and I felt so cheated, hurt and angry. In the end I simply left the game.

Now, after a year they are doing it again. Asking their loyal customers to pay again to get some more content with this "masked DLC". I feel sorry for all of you who feel cheated like I felt a year ago.

On the bright side, since they offer the Morrowind for free with the pre-purchase of the Summerset I might come back to replay everything I've missed. Seems like a good deal.

Danikat

ESO Plus should include all New content as advertised

I don't subscribe so it doesn't affect me - I have to buy all the DLC if I want to play them.

But considering I distinctly remember them telling players both at launch (when the game was pay-to-play) and when they switch to buy-to-play that subscribing would always get you access to all the content (which was changed to 'all DLC' when Morrowind was announced) if I did subscribe I'd be pretty unhappy.

But the Collectors Edition upgrade is only £30, that's just over 3 months subscription (£9 per month). So one option is to cancel your sub for 3 months (doesn't have to be consecutive) and use that money to buy Summerset instead.

KillingUGirl

ESO Plus should include all New content as advertised

SecretJoy wrote: »

KillingUGirl wrote: »

Is included DLC a thing of the past? If so shouldn’t ESO plus price be dropped to reflect the lack of new content?
Is this the new MO for ESO? The point of paying for ESO Plus every month is to assure access to all dlc apparently this has changed? I mean with Morrowind and now Summerset? Are they not making enough money lol. They really need to change what’s included in the ESO Plus membership at least and remove they all new dlc part. Or will the new terminology for DLC now be “expansion pack” lol. If so we will be purchasing a new expansion every 6 months and eso plus will be an expensive crafting bag.

Morrowind and Summerset aren't DLC, they're new "chapters". You still get access to DLC like Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood, Orsinium, etc. for free.

The definition of DLC in gaming to my knowledge has always been “downloadable Content”. Are Morrowind and Summerset not “downloadable Content”? At least chnage ESO Plus then not to say they include all downloadable content. And change the cost as well. Call what you what it is what it is. I have a legal right to access to all new Downlaoble Contentt according to their terms.

Gilvoth

ESO Plus should include all New content as advertised

i paid $79.99 at launch, and again at morrowind and again and again now several times.
i also have subbed monthly since beta.
i should have access for life, not be forced to repeatedly pay and paY and PAY AND PAY!

FLuFFyxMuFFiN

No expansion packs are the way of the future and we should be willing to pay for them in addition to our ESO Plus

I don't mind spending the extra money once a year. Its not like a few hours of work is gonna kill me but I know it's hard for some people to leave the house.

Recremen

If expansion packs are the way of they future the monthly price of ESO Plus should be lowered to reflect the lack of new content.

We went over this last year with Morrowind. ESO Plus was initially sold to us as granting access to all four (FOUR) DLC per year. We got several quarters without a DLC, and now are permanently getting one less DLC per year due to the expansion pack model they're going with. ESO Plus has, instead of decreasing in price, gotten new systems associated with it to make up for the lost DLC.

Of course, we need new systems for ESO Plus every year to continue to make up for the loss. Hanging their hat on the craft bag isn't an option, that replaces one DLC at best. So I would recommend keeping up the pressure to make more ESO Plus systems and keep it an attractive offering. My personal recommendation for this year : no gold cost at the outfitting station for ESO Plus members.

RDMyers65b14_ESO

We had this discussion LAST YEAR. Chapters are not DLC. You are not required to buy it (although I love my fire cat mount.)

Aebaradath

ZOS already explained this back when others brought this up with Morrowind.

DaveMoeDee

This ship sailed long ago. Sure, there was a bait and switch. But everyone who has ESO+ right now resubbed after all that was already established. I defended those that complained before Morrowind, but it seems silly to complain now. Take it or leave it.

ESO+ is about crafting bags. That is where people get value. It would have been much cheaper for long term players to have bought DLC and crowns outright.

SecretJoy

No expansion packs are the way of the future and we should be willing to pay for them in addition to our ESO Plus

KillingUGirl wrote: »

SecretJoy wrote: »

KillingUGirl wrote: »

Is included DLC a thing of the past? If so shouldn’t ESO plus price be dropped to reflect the lack of new content?
Is this the new MO for ESO? The point of paying for ESO Plus every month is to assure access to all dlc apparently this has changed? I mean with Morrowind and now Summerset? Are they not making enough money lol. They really need to change what’s included in the ESO Plus membership at least and remove they all new dlc part. Or will the new terminology for DLC now be “expansion pack” lol. If so we will be purchasing a new expansion every 6 months and eso plus will be an expensive crafting bag.

Morrowind and Summerset aren't DLC, they're new "chapters". You still get access to DLC like Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood, Orsinium, etc. for free.

The definition of DLC in gaming to my knowledge has always been “downloadable Content”. Are Morrowind and Summerset not “downloadable Content”? At least chnage ESO Plus then not say they include all downloadable content. Call what you what it is what it is.

Alright, using your definition of "downloadable content." All of what Zenimax considers DLCs are exactly that, solely downloadable. Both Morrowind and Summerset have physical and digital purchase options, as they are new chapters or what other games refer to as expansion packs. So no, they are not "downloadable content."

Elissae

No expansion packs are the way of the future and we should be willing to pay for them in addition to our ESO Plus

KillingUGirl wrote: »

Is included DLC a thing of the past? If so shouldn’t ESO plus price be dropped to reflect the lack of new content? ...

The Dragon Bones DLC dropped just a month ago...

TelvanniWizard

ESO Plus should include all New content as advertised

C´mon people, we all know that this "chapter" denomination is just a scam so they sell more, betraying loyal subscribers. Plainly and easy.

Turelus

OP cast Undo and sent us back to Morrowind announcement discussions.

Danikat

ESO Plus should include all New content as advertised

Recremen wrote: »

We went over this last year with Morrowind. ESO Plus was initially sold to us as granting access to all four (FOUR) DLC per year. We got several quarters without a DLC, and now are permanently getting one less DLC per year due to the expansion pack model they're going with. ESO Plus has, instead of decreasing in price, gotten new systems associated with it to make up for the lost DLC.

Of course, we need new systems for ESO Plus every year to continue to make up for the loss. Hanging their hat on the craft bag isn't an option, that replaces one DLC at best. So I would recommend keeping up the pressure to make more ESO Plus systems and keep it an attractive offering. My personal recommendation for this year : no gold cost at the outfitting station for ESO Plus members.

As long as people keep saying they subscribe just for the crafting bag, everyone should subscribe for the crafting bag, once you've had it then it'll be impossible to play with it etc. etc. I doubt ZOS will have much incentive to add anything else.

Recremen

If expansion packs are the way of they future the monthly price of ESO Plus should be lowered to reflect the lack of new content.

Danikat wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

We went over this last year with Morrowind. ESO Plus was initially sold to us as granting access to all four (FOUR) DLC per year. We got several quarters without a DLC, and now are permanently getting one less DLC per year due to the expansion pack model they're going with. ESO Plus has, instead of decreasing in price, gotten new systems associated with it to make up for the lost DLC.

Of course, we need new systems for ESO Plus every year to continue to make up for the loss. Hanging their hat on the craft bag isn't an option, that replaces one DLC at best. So I would recommend keeping up the pressure to make more ESO Plus systems and keep it an attractive offering. My personal recommendation for this year : no gold cost at the outfitting station for ESO Plus members.

As long as people keep saying they subscribe just for the crafting bag, everyone should subscribe for the crafting bag, once you've had it then it'll be impossible to play with it etc. etc. I doubt ZOS will have much incentive to add anything else.

They keep adding new things though and the craft bag has been around forever.

s7732425ub17_ESO

ESO Plus should include all New content as advertised

Morrowind and Summerset are just DLCs. There's no reason to differentiate them and exclude them from ESO Plus. Also, since ESO Plus is $15 a month, a three month subscription pays for the content. And since they release a DLC every three months, subscription members are already basically paying for all content being released.

Slurg

I don’t care I just love spending money

Make it rain.

Okiir

ESO Plus should include all New content as advertised

Yes, they absolutely should be included in the ESO Plus subscription.

Morrowind was already lacking in content for an Expansion/Chapter, and Summerset seem even worse.

Zenimax is basically just taking one DLC per year and changing the label from "DLC" to "Chapter".

KillingUGirl

ESO Plus should include all New content as advertised

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

ZOS already explained this back when others brought this up with Morrowind.

Recremen wrote: »

We went over this last year with Morrowind. ESO Plus was initially sold to us as granting access to all four (FOUR) DLC per year. We got several quarters without a DLC, and now are permanently getting one less DLC per year due to the expansion pack model they're going with. ESO Plus has, instead of decreasing in price, gotten new systems associated with it to make up for the lost DLC.

Of course, we need new systems for ESO Plus every year to continue to make up for the loss. Hanging their hat on the craft bag isn't an option, that replaces one DLC at best. So I would recommend keeping up the pressure to make more ESO Plus systems and keep it an attractive offering. My personal recommendation for this year : no gold cost at the outfitting station for ESO Plus members.

So we should just accept it ? The only reason they get away is because people let them. The point here is misrepresentation. Quoting their Terms “ ESO Plus member will have access to all DLC content, game packs“ to me “all” means “all”. Thy should change their terms of service.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN

No expansion packs are the way of the future and we should be willing to pay for them in addition to our ESO Plus

KillingUGirl wrote: »

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

ZOS already explained this back when others brought this up with Morrowind.

Recremen wrote: »

We went over this last year with Morrowind. ESO Plus was initially sold to us as granting access to all four (FOUR) DLC per year. We got several quarters without a DLC, and now are permanently getting one less DLC per year due to the expansion pack model they're going with. ESO Plus has, instead of decreasing in price, gotten new systems associated with it to make up for the lost DLC.

Of course, we need new systems for ESO Plus every year to continue to make up for the loss. Hanging their hat on the craft bag isn't an option, that replaces one DLC at best. So I would recommend keeping up the pressure to make more ESO Plus systems and keep it an attractive offering. My personal recommendation for this year : no gold cost at the outfitting station for ESO Plus members.

So we should just accept it ? The only reason they get away is because people let them. The point here is misrepresentation. Quoting their Terms “ ESO Plus member will have access to all DLC content, game packs “ to me “all” means “all”. Thy should change their terms of service.

I accept it. Bend me over ZOS daddy and take my money

Recremen

If expansion packs are the way of they future the monthly price of ESO Plus should be lowered to reflect the lack of new content.

KillingUGirl wrote: »

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

ZOS already explained this back when others brought this up with Morrowind.

Recremen wrote: »

We went over this last year with Morrowind. ESO Plus was initially sold to us as granting access to all four (FOUR) DLC per year. We got several quarters without a DLC, and now are permanently getting one less DLC per year due to the expansion pack model they're going with. ESO Plus has, instead of decreasing in price, gotten new systems associated with it to make up for the lost DLC.

Of course, we need new systems for ESO Plus every year to continue to make up for the loss. Hanging their hat on the craft bag isn't an option, that replaces one DLC at best. So I would recommend keeping up the pressure to make more ESO Plus systems and keep it an attractive offering. My personal recommendation for this year : no gold cost at the outfitting station for ESO Plus members.

So we should just accept it ? The only reason they get away is because people let them. The point here is misrepresentation. Quoting their Terms “ ESO Plus member will have access to all DLC content, game packs “ to me “all” means “all”. Thy should change their terms of service.

@KillingUGirl

I think you maybe didn't read my whole comment.

Aebaradath

KillingUGirl wrote: »

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

ZOS already explained this back when others brought this up with Morrowind.

Recremen wrote: »

We went over this last year with Morrowind. ESO Plus was initially sold to us as granting access to all four (FOUR) DLC per year. We got several quarters without a DLC, and now are permanently getting one less DLC per year due to the expansion pack model they're going with. ESO Plus has, instead of decreasing in price, gotten new systems associated with it to make up for the lost DLC.

Of course, we need new systems for ESO Plus every year to continue to make up for the loss. Hanging their hat on the craft bag isn't an option, that replaces one DLC at best. So I would recommend keeping up the pressure to make more ESO Plus systems and keep it an attractive offering. My personal recommendation for this year : no gold cost at the outfitting station for ESO Plus members.

So we should just accept it ? The only reason they get away is because people let them. The point here is misrepresentation. Quoting their Terms “ ESO Plus member will have access to all DLC content, game packs “ to me “all” means “all”. Thy should change their terms of service.

Words means nothing when it comes to situations like these. Speak with your wallet instead.

Just keep in mind that neither option has a high probability of swaying a company to change its ways.

Nihility42

No expansion packs are the way of the future and we should be willing to pay for them in addition to our ESO Plus

This is how it has been for over a year. Chapters have been in addition to a subscription from the start. Other major MMOs do it the same way.

ParaNostram

ESO Plus should include all New content as advertised

SecretJoy wrote: »

KillingUGirl wrote: »

Is included DLC a thing of the past? If so shouldn’t ESO plus price be dropped to reflect the lack of new content?
Is this the new MO for ESO? The point of paying for ESO Plus every month is to assure access to all dlc apparently this has changed? I mean with Morrowind and now Summerset? Are they not making enough money lol. They really need to change what’s included in the ESO Plus membership at least and remove they all new dlc part. Or will the new terminology for DLC now be “expansion pack” lol. If so we will be purchasing a new expansion every 6 months and eso plus will be an expensive crafting bag.

Morrowind and Summerset aren't DLC, they're new "chapters". You still get access to DLC like Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood, Orsinium, etc. for free.

Sounds like Capitalist BS to me.

"Shouldn't I get that as part of my subscription?"
"Oh no this is, ummm, this isn't DLC it's... Ummm... (looks to open book that's on the first page of chapter one) It's a chapter!"
"Ope, my bad, take my money!"

jedtb16_ESO

Recremen wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

We went over this last year with Morrowind. ESO Plus was initially sold to us as granting access to all four (FOUR) DLC per year. We got several quarters without a DLC, and now are permanently getting one less DLC per year due to the expansion pack model they're going with. ESO Plus has, instead of decreasing in price, gotten new systems associated with it to make up for the lost DLC.

Of course, we need new systems for ESO Plus every year to continue to make up for the loss. Hanging their hat on the craft bag isn't an option, that replaces one DLC at best. So I would recommend keeping up the pressure to make more ESO Plus systems and keep it an attractive offering. My personal recommendation for this year : no gold cost at the outfitting station for ESO Plus members.

As long as people keep saying they subscribe just for the crafting bag, everyone should subscribe for the crafting bag, once you've had it then it'll be impossible to play with it etc. etc. I doubt ZOS will have much incentive to add anything else.

They keep adding new things though and the craft bag has been around forever.

um let me think....

double bank space?

double item space in houses?

something like that.....

SecretJoy

No expansion packs are the way of the future and we should be willing to pay for them in addition to our ESO Plus

Recremen wrote: »

We went over this last year with Morrowind. ESO Plus was initially sold to us as granting access to all four (FOUR) DLC per year. We got several quarters without a DLC, and now are permanently getting one less DLC per year due to the expansion pack model they're going with. ESO Plus has, instead of decreasing in price, gotten new systems associated with it to make up for the lost DLC.

Of course, we need new systems for ESO Plus every year to continue to make up for the loss. Hanging their hat on the craft bag isn't an option, that replaces one DLC at best. So I would recommend keeping up the pressure to make more ESO Plus systems and keep it an attractive offering. My personal recommendation for this year : no gold cost at the outfitting station for ESO Plus members.

I absolutely agree with this. If we don't pay gold at the dye station, I don't see why we should have to for outfits.

Recremen

If expansion packs are the way of they future the monthly price of ESO Plus should be lowered to reflect the lack of new content.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Danikat wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

We went over this last year with Morrowind. ESO Plus was initially sold to us as granting access to all four (FOUR) DLC per year. We got several quarters without a DLC, and now are permanently getting one less DLC per year due to the expansion pack model they're going with. ESO Plus has, instead of decreasing in price, gotten new systems associated with it to make up for the lost DLC.

Of course, we need new systems for ESO Plus every year to continue to make up for the loss. Hanging their hat on the craft bag isn't an option, that replaces one DLC at best. So I would recommend keeping up the pressure to make more ESO Plus systems and keep it an attractive offering. My personal recommendation for this year : no gold cost at the outfitting station for ESO Plus members.

As long as people keep saying they subscribe just for the crafting bag, everyone should subscribe for the crafting bag, once you've had it then it'll be impossible to play with it etc. etc. I doubt ZOS will have much incentive to add anything else.

They keep adding new things though and the craft bag has been around forever.

um let me think....

double bank space?

double item space in houses?

something like that.....

@jedtb16_ESO

Yes, that's exactly what I'm talking about. There's already precedent for them to keep adding more systems, with the new chapter it's time for even more.

Aliniel

ESO Plus should include all New content as advertised

For the past year, ever since I stopped playing ESO due to "New Chapter" idioticy, I've been playing WoW. With WoW, you always know what you pay for. Always get precisely what you were promised at the beginning and they never try to screw you later. I've been in ESO (with pauses) since the beta in February, 2014. They changed their business model a few times.

First you had to pay monthly to play. This was cool as it kept kids away and you knew you're ALWAYS gonna get access to EVERYTHING.

Then they changed it so you had to buy the game and DLC but didn't have to play monthly. Also OK. I kept paying and buying occasional cosmetics with the crowns I got.

And then they spit into our faces and laughed all the while doing it. "Chapters" are so different and better you have to pay for them. ***! They are as good as Orsinium and Imperial City were!

All they care for lately is money. Whole Bethesda... Milking money from Skyrim by re-releasing it over and over again for 7 years. Overpricing all the cosmetic stuff in ESO (which I don't really care about). And then asking MORE money for certain DLCs because they CAN.

Sad thing is, even though they are like EA Jr., people keep trusting them and worshiping them like Gods. What happened with Battlefront II should happen with ESO as well. But it never will because most people here simply don't care. I guess majority of players are grown-ups with enough money on their hands and don't care if they pay a bit more for a game they play. This is everyone's choice and right of course, I won't go there. But you're being milked people, and the more you don't care the more milked you'll be.