dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

i led you guys to the truth and showed video proof including advice on how to handle the situation.
that shield breaker set is no threat to you.
all it does is balance the fight when you guys shield stack.

That guy was horrible. That video doesn't count.

Aedaryl wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

people are having Loads of fun right now
Listen, if go to cryodiil right now you will see all classes fighting fairly, no class greater then another, they all dying and killing each other at same pace
if you don't believe me then go to cryodiil main campaign where i am at just watch the fights.
you will see that its just about perfect balance in classes.
forget about this set and trying to do the devs job, the work is allready done
come join the fun, come cryodiil.

How a sorc kill people, can u tell me please ?

He's muttering the same nonsense in other threads. In the exact same words. I'm starting to believe he's a troll bot...

Funny how up until now, he always claimed "sorcs have been OP since beta 2013". But now that they're average to low tier, and Wardens and NBs are the superstars of PvP, "balancing is just about perfect".
Sure.
(-_-)

"Bias" doesn't even begin to describe how blinded this fanatic is. I'm willing to bet a million gold he's absolute trash in PvP.

Just ignore him. The nerf IS coming. NB players are just getting nervous about becoming mortal again June 5th.

rimmidimdim wrote: »

Just the idea that's it impossible for a shield user to play for the potential shieldbreaker encounter is a little silly. But if they won't put on a skill that will heal through it, rapid Regen for instance, maybe rest ult, maybe combat prayer, ect. Healing poisons healing glyphs whatever. Holy Hannah, a heal pot will out heal the dam thing. Whatever. I think it's a good set has lots of easily playable counters. And in it's self it's it's own counter.

And this shows that you have never played a sorc and you dont know what ur talking about. To have a competitive build as a sorc you need to rely on shields. The entire class revolves around shields. Even the heal of the class needs shields to stay alive. You are literally saying that shieldbreaker is balanced because a sorc can make a useless build against anything but shieldbreaker users. Let that sink in.

pieratsos wrote: »

rimmidimdim wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

rimmidimdim wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

100% L2P post here people just move on...

BTW I love when a sorc is getting hit with SB and what do they do?? Stack more shields.... smh like come on STOP STACKING SHIELDS!! put pressure on the kid using SB if that's his only way of killing you then just put pressure on them and kill them or watch them run GG

That's a bad example. One of the issues is getting incap from stealth and then light attacks. If you are at low health you have no time to wait on healing ward. Putting pressure on your attacker is fine and all, but not effective if he has any idea what he's doing. Decent players are using this set and it's effectiveness against an already hurting class is over the top. You have to have either rapid Regen slotted or a resto ult up, or LOS.

What's wrong with this? So there is a counter to a set that sucks donkey balls against all other builds? I always thought that was a big enough counter for shield breaker in it's self. Hell, I have to slot deadly cloak to help survive all the leaps from DK's, I guess leaps should be removed because I have to counter for it.

No, SB is fine, most of the arguments in here are just, sorcs are underpowerd so remove shield breaker. I don't agree with this at all.

Cheers.

If you want a set that is a counter to shields then it should be a set that deals more dmg to shields. Not one that completely ignores them by just spamming light attack because you are too bad to actually use ur skills and you want crutches to carry you.

The issue of me being too bad is not a valid argument. It has no bearing on Anything.

But you want to change it to an increase total damage done too shields.? Like major or miner berserk but only to shields? So what you thinking, a 25% increase? 30%. It's a decent idea but idk if sorcs would like that either. Also it's against your argument of taking skill to use. You say shield breaker takes no skill cause you spam like attacks, well your idea even takes less skill. But, besides the bad reasons for your idea, I don't necessarily hate it. It will still be a counter to shields and suck otherwise.

Its not about sorcs liking the set. I wont like it either when i play a sorc. Its a counter for shields, it should be hard for a sorc to fight against it.

You are talking about detect pots against cloak. Thats precisely the issue. Shieldbreaker in its current form is nowhere near close to that. Detect pots have a limited duration and then a long cd, u can get out of range, enemy player still has to use skills to actually do dmg and the NB can survive without cloak. Sure that limits their capabilities but its possible to play without cloak. If you want an equivalent of shieldbreaker for NBs then the set would be something like. "Deals 2.1k oblivion dmg against NBs every time u light attack. If NB enters cloak they receive 2.1k oblivion dmg every second". That is obviously completely and utterly moronic. Thats not a counter. Thats stupidity.

And how the hell does a set that gives % amps to ur dmg, less skill than something that does a flat value of dmg which cant be mitigated by anything and is applied by just light attacking without a cooldown. % amps mean that you still have to do dmg. Having a good build, using ur skills efficiently etc cause the lower dmg you do, the less extra dmg u will get from a set that gives % amps and the more dmg u do the more u get out it. Thats the definition of a set requiring skill to get its effectiveness. Thats how it should be. Still not sure how you even thought that shieldbreaker in its current form is more skill than that.

There once was a SB-like counter to Cloak:
45 seconds d-pots.
NBs cried, it got nerfed by 66% percent, NBs have never been bottom tier again and everyone just praises how "well-designed" NBs are.
But asking for the same treatment for SB gets us insulted, lectured and lied to the face.
Sure is a double standard right there.

Maryal wrote: »

Shield-breaker is only a problem if you see it on your death recap.

The solution to shield-breaker is to not wear damage shields ... wear heavy armor. Aaaahhh, but you don't want to do that. You'd have to give up too much if you went with heavy armor. Bottom line is that you prefer to spec for low health, wear light armor and use damage shields despite the risk that you might get hit with shield breaker. There are no free passes in this game and everything comes with a risk.

Bottom line is, L2P and use ur abilities to get kills.

TankHealz2015 wrote: »

What happens with:

Shieldbreaker + Sergeant's Mail + DK Molten Armaments = ?

Shieldbreaker + Queen's Elegance + DK Molten Armaments = ?

No, you use it with Knight’s Slayer or Torug’s Pact with an Oblivion enchant.

The set is still complete BS, it either needs to work only with Tel Var, or on heavy attacks only.

TankHealz2015 wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

TankHealz2015 wrote: »

What happens with:

Shieldbreaker + Sergeant's Mail + DK Molten Armaments = ?

Shieldbreaker + Queen's Elegance + DK Molten Armaments = ?

No, you use it with Knight’s Slayer or Torug’s Pact with an Oblivion enchant.

The set is still complete BS, it either needs to work only with Tel Var, or on heavy attacks only.

OK,

Torug's Pact (crafted/heavy/impen/body) + Shieldbreaker (weapons/jewelry) + Oblivion enchants


I'm Argonian - DK - WereWolf

Advice on CP allocation?

To befoul or not to befoul... that is the question...

Points into light/heavy attack star?

I don’t know man, it’s just a Sorc trolling build. It actually won’t work on literally anyone else. As soon as you get sick of being absolutely farmed in Cyrodiil just to score some cheap Sorc thrills, the novelty wears off.

There’s only one guy here defending shieldbreaker, and he’s a terrible nightblade. Playing the absolute top PVP class in the game and crutching on shieldbreaker, and then DYING 50% of the time to Sorcs speaks volumes. Seriously, unless you’re special needs or something, you don’t really need the set to kill a Sorc.

rimmidimdim wrote: »

A shieldbreak build makes his build useless against anything but shield users. Let that sink in.

Shieldbreak is fine as is.

It only takes a NB to run SB on Backbar so its actually not a big loss of anything. If you SB defenders are fine with this set then you should also be fine with a set that deals 2100 obli dmg every 0.6 seconds while you are in cloak or dodge rolling or blocking

rimmidimdim wrote: »

Idk how that

pieratsos wrote: »

rimmidimdim wrote: »

Just the idea that's it impossible for a shield user to play for the potential shieldbreaker encounter is a little silly. But if they won't put on a skill that will heal through it, rapid Regen for instance, maybe rest ult, maybe combat prayer, ect. Healing poisons healing glyphs whatever. Holy Hannah, a heal pot will out heal the dam thing. Whatever. I think it's a good set has lots of easily playable counters. And in it's self it's it's own counter.

And this shows that you have never played a sorc and you dont know what ur talking about. To have a competitive build as a sorc you need to rely on shields. The entire class revolves around shields. Even the heal of the class needs shields to stay alive. You are literally saying that shieldbreaker is balanced because a sorc can make a useless build against anything but shieldbreaker users. Let that sink in.

A shieldbreak build makes his build useless against anything but shield users. Let that sink in.

Shieldbreak is fine as is.

I did let that sink in. Did you? Cause it seems like you didnt. Your comparison is so stupid that its not even funny.
Shield users are literally 1/3 of cyrodiil. Even the resto staff main heal is based on a shield. And no putting on shieldbreaker doesnt make ur build useless against anyone else. If you feel like it does, its because you are bad and you are just confusing the set carrying you against sorcs with player skill. You are sacrificing a 5 piece bonus, not ur entire build, and that is a choice you willingly make to hardcounter a class that isnt even considered top tier these days and if you were decent, you wouldnt even need that set to beat that class. There is a reason why 90% of those that use shieldbreaker are potatoes. Playing a sorc with no shields is like making urself AP pinata for anyone with half a brain and you think that this is balanced because a random potato can sit behind 50 people spamming left click. Literally not even casting any ability. Just pressing left click. You really didnt think that much, did you.

And i like how you conveniently ignored the entire post i made previously about skill. I guess you didnt really know what to say. But its not like i would expect something different. You literally said that spamming left click to deal unmitigated dmg requires more skill than playing ur class and using skills.

You are not the first nor the last saying those things. Run this, run that. By all means mate. Prove us all wrong. Show us some footage of the competitive sorc build that plays without shields. But you wont do that like everyone else who said those things cause the reality is, you've never played the class and you have no clue about what ur talking about.

pieratsos wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

please stop asking for nerfs, people are having Loads of fun right now
Listen, if go to cryodiil right now you will see all classes fighting fairly, no class greater then another, they all dying and killing each other at same pace
if you don't believe me then go to cryodiil main campaign where i am at just watch the fights.
you will see that its just about perfect balance in classes.
come join the fun instead of asking for nerfs.

You are literally asking for sorc nerfs for years. You are literally the driver of the "sorc OP, nerf sorc" train. I remember you once literally asking ZOS to nerf sorcs and cut their dmg in half. Lets just say that you are unfamiliar with the word balance. And the sad part is that even if ZOS nerfed sorcs and cut their dmg in half you would still somehow manage to get 1vXed by them.

Waste of time, Pier. He's posted the EXACT SAME post like, five times since yesterday - that I know of.
He's either trolling, a bot, a TROLL BOT, or farming forum stars.
Point is, he's better left ignored. Useless and uneducated.