Nightblades Are Not Overpowered

StaticWave · March 2018

Seriously, I don't know why the forum has suddenly started complaining about stamblades. They were barely mentioned in the previous patches. But one change to Assassin's Will and all these Nb nerf threads pop up? Does it have to do with @Dorrino 's addon being less effective than before? I mean, the ganking playstyle has always been frown upon in the community, but any class can do that not just Nbs.

If ZOS decided to actually nerf Nb, I think it removing the defile from incap and reducing the duration of empower would ideal. Cloak does not need to be nerfed because it has always been broken up until this patch where it could reliably work. Fear already got a nerf.

Drdeath20 · March 2018

Your admitting they need nerfs. Thread closed.

LeagueTroll · March 2018

I think all the nerf required is extra damage debuff and cloak crit heal.

StaticWave · March 2018

Drdeath20 wrote: »

Your admitting they need nerfs. Thread closed.

I didnt? I was just suggesting what could be nerf in case ZOS decided to cave in.

Sixty5 · March 2018

It's not the ganking playstyle that is the issue.

It's the fact that nightblades have a stupidly overloaded ultimate that is almost always up, and the fact that they have so many tools to burst and reset fights.

You can do stuff on a nightblade that would get you killed on any other class, and then come out laughing with a kill or two.

Incap needs adjustment plain and simple, and I'd say minor maim on fear should go as well.

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER · March 2018

"They were barely mentioned in the previous patches" Thats the point. every other class got nerfed except the nightblades, since proc meta they are TOP DOG in pvp and just shitt.ing on every other class.

soul assault snare removed, dive dodgeable, power lash dodgeable. like WTF? whats wrong with you zenimax? how in GODS NAME are we supposed to even land a ***.g hit on a nightblade? running behind them spamming elemental blockade???

i hope finally ZOS will stop this madness and adjust this broken class

Gilvoth · March 2018

nightblAde does not need a Nerf is True,
but,
all that other stuff you added to the topic i do not agree with.

eso_lags · March 2018

StaticWave wrote: »

Seriously, I don't know why the forum has suddenly started complaining about stamblades. They were barely mentioned in the previous patches. But one change to Assassin's Will and all these Nb nerf threads pop up? Does it have to do with @Dorrino 's addon being less effective than before? I mean, the ganking playstyle has always been frown upon in the community, but any class can do that not just Nbs.

If ZOS decided to actually nerf Nb, I think it removing the defile from incap and reducing the duration of empower would ideal. Cloak does not need to be nerfed because it has always been broken up until this patch where it could reliably work. Fear already got a nerf.

Or just a simple cost increase.. That ultimate is to strong. It always has been. 50 ult cost was ridiculous, 70 is still ridiculous... 100 ult cost. Thats the answer. That was you dont get hit by an incap every 30 seconds.

But im not saying your way would be wrong.. If you ask me incap is the strongest single target pvp ult in the game. Im pretty sure that the templars spear ult (the name slips my mind right now) is more than incap but yet nowhere near as good..

And one other thing. IF i die to a stam blade in pvp, 99.99999% of the time it comes within that 6 second window after im hit with an incap. Its a tough ultimate to deal with depending on what class you play...

StaticWave · March 2018

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

"They were barely mentioned in the previous patches" Thats the point. every other class got nerfed except the nightblades, since proc meta they are TOP DOG in pvp and just shitt.ing on every other class.

soul assault snare removed, dive dodgeable, power lash dodgeable. like WTF? whats wrong with you zenimax? how in GODS NAME are we supposed to even land a ***.g hit on a nightblade? running behind them spamming elemental blockade???

i hope finally ZOS will stop this madness and adjust this broken class

So you don't remember them tremorscale blackrose viper stamsorc? Nb didnt "[snip] on" other classes.

Soul assault, dive, powerlash nerfs also benefit other stamclasses that don't have cloak. Why aren't you happy that other stamina classes can now survive in openworld?

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rophez_ESO · March 2018

My guildmate is a really good player - he can do rotations flawlessly. On his NB he can pull 50K+ parses solo. On his DK around 40k. On other classes, it's less. With raid buffs he's up closer to 70k on the NB.

I'm not saying nerf NB, but maybe some other classes need a buff. Cheers.

Avran_Sylt · March 2018

@DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER

I rescind my statement. apparently the morph changes the base skill.

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER · March 2018

StaticWave wrote: »

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

"They were barely mentioned in the previous patches" Thats the point. every other class got nerfed except the nightblades, since proc meta they are TOP DOG in pvp and just shitt.ing on every other class.

soul assault snare removed, dive dodgeable, power lash dodgeable. like WTF? whats wrong with you zenimax? how in GODS NAME are we supposed to even land a ***.g hit on a nightblade? running behind them spamming elemental blockade???

i hope finally ZOS will stop this madness and adjust this broken class

So you don't remember them tremorscale blackrose viper stamsorc? Nb didnt "[snip] on" other classes.

Soul assault, dive, powerlash nerfs also benefit other stamclasses that don't have cloak. Why aren't you happy that other stamina classes can now survive in openworld?

i remember selene viper widowmaker nightblades that were ONE SHOTTING EVERYONE. also said stamsorcs. and nightblades still hit so frickin hard that you cant even recover on top of endless sustain and perma dodge and perma cloak.

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Goshua · March 2018

You're also forgetting that not many operate alone anymore as if they aren't capable of doing so, not suggesting it's their fault they do so but if they're not being the lone assassin which the class and its players claim them to be, then bow and burst needs looking at. imo
(ganking builds specifically).

JobooAGS · March 2018

itzTJ wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

Seriously, I don't know why the forum has suddenly started complaining about stamblades. They were barely mentioned in the previous patches. But one change to Assassin's Will and all these Nb nerf threads pop up? Does it have to do with @Dorrino 's addon being less effective than before? I mean, the ganking playstyle has always been frown upon in the community, but any class can do that not just Nbs.

If ZOS decided to actually nerf Nb, I think it removing the defile from incap and reducing the duration of empower would ideal. Cloak does not need to be nerfed because it has always been broken up until this patch where it could reliably work. Fear already got a nerf.

Or just a simple cost increase.. That ultimate is to strong. It always has been. 50 ult cost was ridiculous, 70 is still ridiculous... 100 ult cost. Thats the answer. That was you dont get hit by an incap every 30 seconds.

But im not saying your way would be wrong.. If you ask me incap is the strongest single target pvp ult in the game. Im pretty sure that the templars spear ult (the name slips my mind right now) is more than incap but yet nowhere near as good..

And one other thing. IF i die to a stam blade in pvp, 99.99999% of the time it comes within that 6 second window after im hit with an incap. Its a tough ultimate to deal with depending on what class you play...

A cost increase or a damage buff decrease would ruin pve and war machine builds. If an incap nerf has to happen, the stun would have to be your target. If the stun were to be removed entirely, defile would likely have to be removed from soul harvest and death stroke

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER · March 2018

Removing the stun from incap would be a good start, but they still have fear. strongest CC in the game.

cloak is still too strong. dots are not effective on a nightblade because of cloak and the crit healing bug should get fixed

Drdeath20 · March 2018

Nightblades are hard to defend as of late

JobooAGS · March 2018

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

Removing the stun from incap would be a good start, but they still have fear. strongest CC in the game.

cloak is still too strong. dots are not effective on a nightblade because of cloak and the crit healing bug should get fixed

Your 2nd sentence is actually somewhat sensible, have dots both not remove cloak and not suppressed by cloak, crit heals by shadowy disguise is likely a bug (though I use the other morph) and therefore should be fixed. Fear uses the same resource pool as cloak and unlike many other class ccs, forces you to be in melee range to utilize.

Wreuntzylla · March 2018

You know what nerf threads never results in a nerf? Those that dwindle away and die because nobody responds no matter what the OP said.

Threads calling for a nerf that go 10+ pages and spawn defensive threads on the other hand...

Drdeath20 · March 2018

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

You know what nerf threads never results in a nerf? Those that dwindle away and die because nobody responds no matter what the OP said.

Threads calling for a nerf that go 10+ pages and spawn defensive threads on the other hand...

I doubt they will go away. Its pretty hard to defend stamblades and the sensible community has had enough.

Yakidafi · March 2018

Sixty5 wrote: »

You can do stuff on a nightblade that would get you killed on any other class, and then come out laughing with a kill or two.

You can do different stuff on other classes that you can not do on a nightblade and then come out laughing with a kill or two.

Sixty5 · March 2018

Yakidafi wrote: »

Sixty5 wrote: »

You can do stuff on a nightblade that would get you killed on any other class, and then come out laughing with a kill or two.

You can do different stuff on other classes that you can not do on a nightblade and then come out laughing with a kill or two.

Like what?

QuebraRegra · March 2018

already just got a crit heal nerf on Hemorrhage.

There's a lot of QQ lately, reminds me of years gone by.

StaticWave · March 2018

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

You know what nerf threads never results in a nerf? Those that dwindle away and die because nobody responds no matter what the OP said.

Threads calling for a nerf that go 10+ pages and spawn defensive threads on the other hand...

Yea unfortunately the forums have more Nb haters than Nb lovers

StaticWave · March 2018

Sixty5 wrote: »

It's not the ganking playstyle that is the issue.

It's the fact that nightblades have a stupidly overloaded ultimate that is almost always up, and the fact that they have so many tools to burst and reset fights.

You can do stuff on a nightblade that would get you killed on any other class, and then come out laughing with a kill or two.

Incap needs adjustment plain and simple, and I'd say minor maim on fear should go as well.

Isn't that the point of the class? To excel in 1v1s and not so good in group?

What stuff exactly can Nbs pull off but other classes would get killed?

What adjustments does incap need?

StaticWave · March 2018

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

Removing the stun from incap would be a good start, but they still have fear. strongest CC in the game.

cloak is still too strong. dots are not effective on a nightblade because of cloak and the crit healing bug should get fixed

Why remove the stun when it can be dodged?

StaticWave · March 2018

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

"They were barely mentioned in the previous patches" Thats the point. every other class got nerfed except the nightblades, since proc meta they are TOP DOG in pvp and just shitt.ing on every other class.

soul assault snare removed, dive dodgeable, power lash dodgeable. like WTF? whats wrong with you zenimax? how in GODS NAME are we supposed to even land a ***.g hit on a nightblade? running behind them spamming elemental blockade???

i hope finally ZOS will stop this madness and adjust this broken class

So you don't remember them tremorscale blackrose viper stamsorc? Nb didnt "[snip] on" other classes.

Soul assault, dive, powerlash nerfs also benefit other stamclasses that don't have cloak. Why aren't you happy that other stamina classes can now survive in openworld?

i remember selene viper widowmaker nightblades that were ONE SHOTTING EVERYONE. also said stamsorcs. and nightblades still hit so frickin hard that you cant even recover on top of endless sustain and perma dodge and perma cloak.

They don't have "endless" sustain, nor can they "permadodge" and "permacloak". Where are your proofs?

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DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER · March 2018

StaticWave wrote: »

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

"They were barely mentioned in the previous patches" Thats the point. every other class got nerfed except the nightblades, since proc meta they are TOP DOG in pvp and just shitt.ing on every other class.

soul assault snare removed, dive dodgeable, power lash dodgeable. like WTF? whats wrong with you zenimax? how in GODS NAME are we supposed to even land a ***.g hit on a nightblade? running behind them spamming elemental blockade???

i hope finally ZOS will stop this madness and adjust this broken class

So you don't remember them tremorscale blackrose viper stamsorc? Nb didnt "[snip] on" other classes.

Soul assault, dive, powerlash nerfs also benefit other stamclasses that don't have cloak. Why aren't you happy that other stamina classes can now survive in openworld?

i remember selene viper widowmaker nightblades that were ONE SHOTTING EVERYONE. also said stamsorcs. and nightblades still hit so frickin hard that you cant even recover on top of endless sustain and perma dodge and perma cloak.

They don't have "endless" sustain, nor can they "permadodge" and "permacloak". Where are your proofs?

"Main character:
AD stamblade"

You should know better. Proof? Go to cyro and watch a decent stamblade play. high sustain, high damage, dodge rolling paired with cloak. impossible to hit.

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Lynx7386 · March 2018

It has nothing to do with nightblade. Everyone got their cheat add-on removed and now they can't avoid ganks any more because they relied on a third party crutch.

Chances are half the times they get ganked it isn't even a night blade, buy obviously anyone that uses stealth MUST be a nb.

Goshua · March 2018

Lynx7386 wrote: »

It has nothing to do with nightblade. Everyone got their cheat add-on removed and now they can't avoid ganks any more because they relied on a third party crutch.

Chances are half the times they get ganked it isn't even a night blade, buy obviously anyone that uses stealth MUST be a nb.

Press 'T'

StaticWave · March 2018

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER wrote: »

"They were barely mentioned in the previous patches" Thats the point. every other class got nerfed except the nightblades, since proc meta they are TOP DOG in pvp and just shitt.ing on every other class.

soul assault snare removed, dive dodgeable, power lash dodgeable. like WTF? whats wrong with you zenimax? how in GODS NAME are we supposed to even land a ***.g hit on a nightblade? running behind them spamming elemental blockade???

i hope finally ZOS will stop this madness and adjust this broken class

So you don't remember them tremorscale blackrose viper stamsorc? Nb didnt "[snip] on" other classes.

Soul assault, dive, powerlash nerfs also benefit other stamclasses that don't have cloak. Why aren't you happy that other stamina classes can now survive in openworld?

i remember selene viper widowmaker nightblades that were ONE SHOTTING EVERYONE. also said stamsorcs. and nightblades still hit so frickin hard that you cant even recover on top of endless sustain and perma dodge and perma cloak.

They don't have "endless" sustain, nor can they "permadodge" and "permacloak". Where are your proofs?

"Main character:
AD stamblade"

You should know better. Proof? Go to cyro and watch a decent stamblade play. high sustain, high damage, dodge rolling paired with cloak. impossible to hit.

I also main a stamsorc. Your point?

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StaticWave · March 2018

@DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER Unlike you and your exaggerated claims, I can prove my points with videos. Here is a clip of me 1vXing on my stamblade. Tell me how endless my sustain is, and how I can permadodge and permacloak, when half the clip my resources were near empty. https://drive.google.com/open?id=1UvQAmQwufpTdaNoXacYLSId5fqZbG_8s

Oh, here is a clip of me 1v5-ing on my stamsorc. I fought 2 Nbs in the clip. Tell me how Nbs are broken. Don't forget to check out the dodgeroll counter to Incap at 0:04.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1RceEaKueT-Pk2-4SNpSYq--N4jr1WX61