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The Nightblade Nerfs are coming, better let the good ones negotiate the changes
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✭✭StaticWave wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Right, play a magNB and tell me again how easy it is to get kills. Seriously, GTFO. So sorry you people dont have your cheat add ons anymore.
I play a meele magnb and i can't count the 1vX clips i could have uploaded if my pc was able to run a video program + ESO at the same time.
If you don't do well no on a nightblade it's completely your fault
I wouldn't go that far. Nightblade may be good right now, but the level of how good it is however is vastly over stated and exaggerated on here.
What are you talking about ? Its not. NB can take on multiple people at once.
Remember Zerg bomb build.
3 Lether arrows in cloak. No body know who even killed them.
Cheap ultimate deadly ultimates.
Strong healing & cloak combo. Either one should be there.
No class can even dream of doing such things.
No, Nightblades can take on multiple people who don't know what they are doing or bomb unaware groups(which is not always a bad thing)
one person in your group running Piercing Mark = Nightblade who is either dead or runs for the hills never to come back...
You are just providing if condition. Question is can other classes do it ?
Yes, they can. In fact, most of the 1vX videos have been from magicka DKs/Sorcs recently. Go figure...Priyasekarssk wrote: »Can I cloak and critical heal ?
Yes, provided you have absolutely zero DoTs on anyone. That morph is bugged in a bad way (essentially morph does nothing usually) and should not be used by any serious player.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392360/shadowy-disguise-still-bugged#latestPriyasekarssk wrote: »Other classes only have ordinary heal including templar . Templars have burst heal not crit. Even when they heal at most 3 until magicka runs out . Then they will pray god and die. NB its not the case. Battle change in 1 second.
Can I kill multiple people in 1 second without a tough fight ?
Right, and my stamina NB can cloak three times before magicka runs out (zero times with Piercing Mark on me) and I'd kill for a proper burst heal, given that it takes close to 10 Vigor ticks to heal what one BoL/Honor the Dead heals for instantly.
And yes, there are builds outside NB that kill multiple people in 1 second (high dmg mDK Leaps, Warden shalks+DBOS etc etc)Priyasekarssk wrote: »Again , I am building a NB meta. Lets all cloak around with lethal arrows and play hide and seek. It will be fun. Fight is boring.
Yes, maybe you should "build a NB meta" so that you have atleast a clue of what you're talking about.
Can other classes kill 1VX in 3 seconds ? What are you even talking about.StaticWave wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »https://drive.google.com/open?id=1UvQAmQwufpTdaNoXacYLSId5fqZbG_8s
I play a 2h/SnB Nb. Here is a clip of me 1vXing in cyrodill. I’m asking all the NB haters to watch, then go out and do the same. One thing i know is, they won’t be able to. In this clip I was wearing impreg, bloodspawn, agility, 2h asylum, and a maelstrom SnB. I have 3.4k wep dmg with rally buffed, and 1.7k stam regen non buffed. The meta build right now is 5 bone pirate 3 agility, so i’m sacrificing damage and regen for tankiness in order to continue soloing. You see, you can’t claim that Nbs can have 3k regen, high wep dmg and high tankiness, because it doesnt make sense. Something needs to be sacrificed. In this clip my incap does about 6-7k crit. With bone pirate maybe 8k to medium armor users. It’s not different than any other hard hitting ult. The difference between good players and most of these Nb haters is, they play the class and 1vX with it. I have no trouble fighting Nbs, regardless of whatever character I use. I’m sure I speak for most good players as well.
Tl,dr: Learn to play
*EDIT*: In the clip you can clearly see that my cloak was broken multiple times by a set that procced an aoe dmg. So really, the best way to pull Nbs out of stealth is to use aoes and all the Nb counters there are. You also see how I took time to kill people. That is because a Nb’s kit is designed for 1v1s. If i was a warden, i would be able to hit multiple people with my subassault and db. I would also die much faster in that scenario if I ran bone pirate, especially at the beginning when there was a magdk that kept fossilizing me. So most of the time it comes down to the build, not the class. You’ll also see a nb dodging my incap. Yes, he dodge rolled it and took no damage or debuffs. So really, there are counterplays to incap.
Nightblade is broken beyond OP . Do the same in other class and come here ? You cannot.
Until then dont tell others L2P.
Same words : - Learn to play . Dont boost yourself with a broken class beyond OP.
That is funny, because i also have clips of me 1vXing on my stamsorc and stamplar. Do you want me to post them here as well?
Thats even funny. Post first with dragon born DLC. No way you can do it against same player skill level. Again NB is broken beyond OP. Tell to noobs & new bies that NB is ok and L2P.
I dont even care. Everyone is going to be stamina NB in cyrodil. NB wont be fixed. Lets have fun.
1/ All my recent clips are from the Dragonborn DLC.
2/ I can 1vX with any class. That’s what separate good players from the mediocre ones.
3/ You can’t 1vX good players regardless of what class you play. 1vXing only happens when you fight noobs, so idk why you even brought it up. But i’m good enough to have a positive K/D in 1v1s.
4/ In group I run my stamsorc or stamplar for superior AoE dmg. Nb is garbage in groups.
5/ I play on NA PC, and 80% of Nbs in cyrodill are trash. The other 20% actually know what they’re doing. Idk what problems you have with Nbs, but your post is full of exaggeration and misinformation. On my stamsorc which is my 2nd main, I rarely lose to those 80% of nbs.
6/ You can make whatever argument about how Nbs are op, and I will dispute it because I actually play the class and play against it. You on the other hand, seem to only play against it, so you have this biased view that many other people on the forum have.
7/ Learn to play.
Post first. Where are the clips ? Almost everyone playing other classes full of exaggeration and misinformation.Only people playing NB main are correct. Others are all trash. NBs are completely destroying the PVP with broken and broken skills. You cannot refute a fact that everyone agrees. Remove OP and broken elements from NB. Cyrodil and PVP will recover. Tell to new bies and noobs the word " Learn to play" . Dont tell words "Learn to play with a broken OP class" It has no merit and no one even listen.
Don’t worry I will post the video once I get home. I never once stated that people who play other classes are full of exaggeration and misinformation, nor did I say only Nb mains are correct. I simply pointed out the exaggeration in your post, since all you did was claiming “Nbs are broken, Nbs are OP”. Yet you did not show one proof that Nbs are any better than other classes. I, on the other hand, can tell you why Nbs are not broken.
The only people who agree with you are those who get ganked by Nbs in cyrodill, or lose to them in 1v1s. Any good player will know that it doesnt matter how strong a class is, if you’re not good you will fail regardless. I rarely lose to a stamwarden despite people claiming it to be “broken”. But I’ve lost to good stamwardens who know what they’re doing. You can’t make a claim about a class based on your biased view. I’ve made the same mistake when wardens came to PvP.Priyasekarssk wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Right, play a magNB and tell me again how easy it is to get kills. Seriously, GTFO. So sorry you people dont have your cheat add ons anymore.
I play a meele magnb and i can't count the 1vX clips i could have uploaded if my pc was able to run a video program + ESO at the same time.
If you don't do well no on a nightblade it's completely your fault
I wouldn't go that far. Nightblade may be good right now, but the level of how good it is however is vastly over stated and exaggerated on here.
What are you talking about ? Its not. NB can take on multiple people at once.
Remember Zerg bomb build.
3 Lether arrows in cloak. No body know who even killed them.
Cheap ultimate deadly ultimates.
Strong healing & cloak combo. Either one should be there.
No class can even dream of doing such things.
No, Nightblades can take on multiple people who don't know what they are doing or bomb unaware groups(which is not always a bad thing)
one person in your group running Piercing Mark = Nightblade who is either dead or runs for the hills never to come back...
You are just providing if condition. Question is can other classes do it ?
Yes, they can. In fact, most of the 1vX videos have been from magicka DKs/Sorcs recently. Go figure...Priyasekarssk wrote: »Can I cloak and critical heal ?
Yes, provided you have absolutely zero DoTs on anyone. That morph is bugged in a bad way (essentially morph does nothing usually) and should not be used by any serious player.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392360/shadowy-disguise-still-bugged#latestPriyasekarssk wrote: »Other classes only have ordinary heal including templar . Templars have burst heal not crit. Even when they heal at most 3 until magicka runs out . Then they will pray god and die. NB its not the case. Battle change in 1 second.
Can I kill multiple people in 1 second without a tough fight ?
Right, and my stamina NB can cloak three times before magicka runs out (zero times with Piercing Mark on me) and I'd kill for a proper burst heal, given that it takes close to 10 Vigor ticks to heal what one BoL/Honor the Dead heals for instantly.
And yes, there are builds outside NB that kill multiple people in 1 second (high dmg mDK Leaps, Warden shalks+DBOS etc etc)Priyasekarssk wrote: »Again , I am building a NB meta. Lets all cloak around with lethal arrows and play hide and seek. It will be fun. Fight is boring.
Yes, maybe you should "build a NB meta" so that you have atleast a clue of what you're talking about.
Can other classes kill 1VX in 3 seconds ? What are you even talking about.StaticWave wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »https://drive.google.com/open?id=1UvQAmQwufpTdaNoXacYLSId5fqZbG_8s
I play a 2h/SnB Nb. Here is a clip of me 1vXing in cyrodill. I’m asking all the NB haters to watch, then go out and do the same. One thing i know is, they won’t be able to. In this clip I was wearing impreg, bloodspawn, agility, 2h asylum, and a maelstrom SnB. I have 3.4k wep dmg with rally buffed, and 1.7k stam regen non buffed. The meta build right now is 5 bone pirate 3 agility, so i’m sacrificing damage and regen for tankiness in order to continue soloing. You see, you can’t claim that Nbs can have 3k regen, high wep dmg and high tankiness, because it doesnt make sense. Something needs to be sacrificed. In this clip my incap does about 6-7k crit. With bone pirate maybe 8k to medium armor users. It’s not different than any other hard hitting ult. The difference between good players and most of these Nb haters is, they play the class and 1vX with it. I have no trouble fighting Nbs, regardless of whatever character I use. I’m sure I speak for most good players as well.
Tl,dr: Learn to play
*EDIT*: In the clip you can clearly see that my cloak was broken multiple times by a set that procced an aoe dmg. So really, the best way to pull Nbs out of stealth is to use aoes and all the Nb counters there are. You also see how I took time to kill people. That is because a Nb’s kit is designed for 1v1s. If i was a warden, i would be able to hit multiple people with my subassault and db. I would also die much faster in that scenario if I ran bone pirate, especially at the beginning when there was a magdk that kept fossilizing me. So most of the time it comes down to the build, not the class. You’ll also see a nb dodging my incap. Yes, he dodge rolled it and took no damage or debuffs. So really, there are counterplays to incap.
Nightblade is broken beyond OP . Do the same in other class and come here ? You cannot.
Until then dont tell others L2P.
Same words : - Learn to play . Dont boost yourself with a broken class beyond OP.
That is funny, because i also have clips of me 1vXing on my stamsorc and stamplar. Do you want me to post them here as well?
Thats even funny. Post first with dragon born DLC. No way you can do it against same player skill level. Again NB is broken beyond OP. Tell to noobs & new bies that NB is ok and L2P.
I dont even care. Everyone is going to be stamina NB in cyrodil. NB wont be fixed. Lets have fun.
1/ All my recent clips are from the Dragonborn DLC.
2/ I can 1vX with any class. That’s what separate good players from the mediocre ones.
3/ You can’t 1vX good players regardless of what class you play. 1vXing only happens when you fight noobs, so idk why you even brought it up. But i’m good enough to have a positive K/D in 1v1s.
4/ In group I run my stamsorc or stamplar for superior AoE dmg. Nb is garbage in groups.
5/ I play on NA PC, and 80% of Nbs in cyrodill are trash. The other 20% actually know what they’re doing. Idk what problems you have with Nbs, but your post is full of exaggeration and misinformation. On my stamsorc which is my 2nd main, I rarely lose to those 80% of nbs.
6/ You can make whatever argument about how Nbs are op, and I will dispute it because I actually play the class and play against it. You on the other hand, seem to only play against it, so you have this biased view that many other people on the forum have.
7/ Learn to play.
Post first. Where are the clips ?Priyasekarssk wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Right, play a magNB and tell me again how easy it is to get kills. Seriously, GTFO. So sorry you people dont have your cheat add ons anymore.
I play a meele magnb and i can't count the 1vX clips i could have uploaded if my pc was able to run a video program + ESO at the same time.
If you don't do well no on a nightblade it's completely your fault
I wouldn't go that far. Nightblade may be good right now, but the level of how good it is however is vastly over stated and exaggerated on here.
What are you talking about ? Its not. NB can take on multiple people at once.
Remember Zerg bomb build.
3 Lether arrows in cloak. No body know who even killed them.
Cheap ultimate deadly ultimates.
Strong healing & cloak combo. Either one should be there.
No class can even dream of doing such things.
No, Nightblades can take on multiple people who don't know what they are doing or bomb unaware groups(which is not always a bad thing)
one person in your group running Piercing Mark = Nightblade who is either dead or runs for the hills never to come back...
You are just providing if condition. Question is can other classes do it ?
Yes, they can. In fact, most of the 1vX videos have been from magicka DKs/Sorcs recently. Go figure...Priyasekarssk wrote: »Can I cloak and critical heal ?
Yes, provided you have absolutely zero DoTs on anyone. That morph is bugged in a bad way (essentially morph does nothing usually) and should not be used by any serious player.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/392360/shadowy-disguise-still-bugged#latestPriyasekarssk wrote: »Other classes only have ordinary heal including templar . Templars have burst heal not crit. Even when they heal at most 3 until magicka runs out . Then they will pray god and die. NB its not the case. Battle change in 1 second.
Can I kill multiple people in 1 second without a tough fight ?
Right, and my stamina NB can cloak three times before magicka runs out (zero times with Piercing Mark on me) and I'd kill for a proper burst heal, given that it takes close to 10 Vigor ticks to heal what one BoL/Honor the Dead heals for instantly.
And yes, there are builds outside NB that kill multiple people in 1 second (high dmg mDK Leaps, Warden shalks+DBOS etc etc)Priyasekarssk wrote: »Again , I am building a NB meta. Lets all cloak around with lethal arrows and play hide and seek. It will be fun. Fight is boring.
Yes, maybe you should "build a NB meta" so that you have atleast a clue of what you're talking about.
Cloak 3 times before magicka run out ? I believe it. 10 Vigor ticks ? Your post i 100 percent genuine.
AOE is fine. Bomb build is not acceptable for assassin character. Cloak + crit Heal is not acceptable. Fear is best CC in game.
When NB uses lethal arrow or ranged skill > 30M , he shouldnt be allowed to cloak for next 3 seconds . I can cloak and spam 3 lethal arrows in a row and its fine ? Other player will die without even know how he get killed ? Its ok correct.
No wonder NB is fine and needs a buff. I dont think NB will be nerfed. Soon 100 percent of cyrodil population is NB including me. Lets have hide and seek fun. Lets bomb each other and everyone die.
Cheap ultimates ok for single target. Defiles is fine.
Seriously, have you tried the class? It is not an "I win" button, it requires A LOT of practice. By the way, you can't cloak + crit heal unless it's a HoT. Anytime you heal while cloaked you are revealed.I can cloak and spam 3 lethal arrows in a row and its fine ?
Please, don't lie. Cloak last 2.9 secs (on HA) and each lethal arrow takes one second channel. So after you cloak you have to wait 2 secs to be able to fire the first arrow.
Do your maths before complaining
I already playing the class in kyne and battleground. I know how OP it is. Just few more levels to level 50. NB is a broken class. No matter how hard NBs cry & whine. No one going to agree.
So you base your entire claim off of a few hours in kyne, where the pvp population consists of new players? This is why I do not take forumers like you seriously.
Those guys without wpn ultimates must be very stronkSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
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Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭From what I can tell the general argument is:
- Incap has too much
- Cloak is too spammable for stamina characters
- Cloak shouldn’t crit heal
- Lethal arrow is too strong combined with cloak
- Fear is best CC
- Dodge roll is too strong with cloak
- NB reset fights too much
I disagree with most of it.
-Incap I feel does have a bit too much, I never use soul harvest in PvP because the knockdown is too valueable. For how cheap it is I feel decreasing the knockdown to a stun would help fight reactively. Also possibly reducing the defile would change the opinions of it but that may be too much.
Honestly I use soul tether so I’m biased towards it, others who are more experienced with stamblade (another thing is I am a magblade).
- Cloak is fine, Plenty of counters imo. And Stan builds that run high may regen are reaping the benefits of sacrificing elsewhere.
- Fear is wonky. When it works it’s amazing but if it bugs out it’s worthless.
- Resetting fights is something that mobile classes can do, Sorcs can BE or run if they have good sprint bonuses, so I see no reason to attack NB on their reset capabilities. If you didn’t prepare to fight cloak or shades then thats on you. It’s like fighting a DK without purge.
Not going to comment on lethal arrow.
Lastly dodge roll is fine, if someone has built around dodge roll that means they gave up impen gear so they take much more damage. Fair trade imo.
Cloak is fine. Cloak + burst heal is not. A magicka character cannot stand 2 CC. But its a generic issue. Fear is too strong on a magicka character with low stamina pool. Sorc cannot runaway completely like NB. NB can always gap close easily. Argument nullified . You forgot major defile. Anything else ?Edited by Priyasekarssk on March 22, 2018 6:05PM0 -
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✭thankyourat wrote: »What's with all the baddies crying on the forums lately. Seriously are they just mad that NB is finally a viable class? Because they were absolute garbage for years while Templars and Sorcs ran the show.
Stop howling for nerfs because you're too bad or too self absorbed to use literally any of the counters to NB cloak. Detect pots, immov pots, magelight, ground AoEs, Reaper's Mark, undodgeable CC.
You have plenty of options, OP, you just seem to be under the impression that being asked to adapt your playstyle to counter something is equitable to it being SupER OP nERF It
Finally a viable class? Nightblade is viable for a long time now. If i didn't care about balance I'd be happy my main ist a stamnb and i have another magnb which i enjoy just as much. But i don't i want a balanced game and right now nightblades are not balanced.
Nightblades have the highest front loaded burst that can be used with it's full strength and with almost no telegraph more often than any other class can + they have the tools to disengage when they fail to be successful during the fight. Dieing on a Nightblade in open world is hard when you are not outnumbered by 1:5, when no one marks you or when you just lack overall situational awareness and skill.
Also the myth of the squishy nightblade is exactly what it's called a myth. Nightblades have one of the best damage mitigations in the game.
When you are good enough to utilise cloak and shade you aren't taking any damage for 90% of the fight. This also frees up your build from needing too much investment into survivability via resistances or heavy armor (although HA NBs are a absolute nightmare) this gives you the opportunity to run high damage and sustain builds with relatively low health/ resistances as you don't take much damage to begin with. If you can't survive open fights as long as other classes it's no issue, you don't have to fight that way if you aren't forced by another nightblade.
Also the effective healing on nightblades is much better than on other classes.
They might have more heals or healing amplifiers but they don't need it. While healing they can get crits on demand, and they don't eat as much damage as a class that's still fully attackable while playing defensive.
So we have a class with the best offence for pvp
(cheap, strong, easy useable, no telegraph and frontloaded)
That comes with the ability to reset fights as often as wanted, has the best mobility/ kiting skill in the game and features more survivability than other classes.
That's about where nightblades are overperfoming.
But the thing is nightblades aren't more survivable than other classes the lack of shields and on demand burst heal make them less survivable than other classes. a stamblade can Cloak all day but eventually it has to come into melee range to do damage. The reason I like fighting nightblades is because you know the fight will end someone will die. You can have fights with other classes that will last an eternity. Especially magplar which is the only class that can actually reset a fight at will. Just by blockcasting one or two BoL's. At least with Cloak I can aoe ultimate a low health nightblade out of Cloak and execute him or pop a detect pot when the nightblade is low and execute him. I've never been in a situation where I'm like crap there's a stamblade, but too often I'm like I'm tied of these block casting talon spamming mag DK's or why can this Templars shrug off all my damage. Sometimes I will literally try to avoid players like that all together. Being invisible is not being invincible Cloak will not absorb damage and you can't do damage while cloaking.
These templars and magdks are either killable or they can't kill you. A nightblade can kite you= being unkillable and nuke you in a second. If the other classes want to be able to do that they are also dead in one second with much worse kiting and survivability
They are killable but so is the nightblade. A nightblade can kite and burst you, a mag dk can tank and burst you. The main difference is tanking is better for 1v1 and kiting is better for 1vX. Both magplar and mag dks can build extremely tanky and get burst damage from skoria as well. Leap into lash is about the same burst damage as incap into surprise attack. And power of the light, dbos, jabs into skoria does a lot of burst damage as well even from tanker builds. Mag dk is especially deadly because of fire damage and everyone being a vampire. This whole nightblade phenomenon is being blown out of proportion. I don't think it has reached mag sorc level just yet. Don't forget you can't move when you fight a dk as well. A nightblade can kite all day eventually he will have to take some hits and if he's a high damage high regen build he won't be able to.
My opinion just from playing in cyrodiil is most people run tanky builds with low damage and get damage from ganging up on people. So they don't have enough damage to punish a nightblade, and nightblades are good at avoiding dog piles. In my opinion this is why people hated mag sorc as well they didn't run r enough damage to pressure players damage shields. The only thing I would say needs to be changed on stamblade is the still from incap should go. It's too harmful when you are out numbered.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »What's with all the baddies crying on the forums lately. Seriously are they just mad that NB is finally a viable class? Because they were absolute garbage for years while Templars and Sorcs ran the show.
Stop howling for nerfs because you're too bad or too self absorbed to use literally any of the counters to NB cloak. Detect pots, immov pots, magelight, ground AoEs, Reaper's Mark, undodgeable CC.
You have plenty of options, OP, you just seem to be under the impression that being asked to adapt your playstyle to counter something is equitable to it being SupER OP nERF It
Finally a viable class? Nightblade is viable for a long time now. If i didn't care about balance I'd be happy my main ist a stamnb and i have another magnb which i enjoy just as much. But i don't i want a balanced game and right now nightblades are not balanced.
Nightblades have the highest front loaded burst that can be used with it's full strength and with almost no telegraph more often than any other class can + they have the tools to disengage when they fail to be successful during the fight. Dieing on a Nightblade in open world is hard when you are not outnumbered by 1:5, when no one marks you or when you just lack overall situational awareness and skill.
Also the myth of the squishy nightblade is exactly what it's called a myth. Nightblades have one of the best damage mitigations in the game.
When you are good enough to utilise cloak and shade you aren't taking any damage for 90% of the fight. This also frees up your build from needing too much investment into survivability via resistances or heavy armor (although HA NBs are a absolute nightmare) this gives you the opportunity to run high damage and sustain builds with relatively low health/ resistances as you don't take much damage to begin with. If you can't survive open fights as long as other classes it's no issue, you don't have to fight that way if you aren't forced by another nightblade.
Also the effective healing on nightblades is much better than on other classes.
They might have more heals or healing amplifiers but they don't need it. While healing they can get crits on demand, and they don't eat as much damage as a class that's still fully attackable while playing defensive.
So we have a class with the best offence for pvp
(cheap, strong, easy useable, no telegraph and frontloaded)
That comes with the ability to reset fights as often as wanted, has the best mobility/ kiting skill in the game and features more survivability than other classes.
That's about where nightblades are overperfoming.
But the thing is nightblades aren't more survivable than other classes the lack of shields and on demand burst heal make them less survivable than other classes. a stamblade can Cloak all day but eventually it has to come into melee range to do damage. The reason I like fighting nightblades is because you know the fight will end someone will die. You can have fights with other classes that will last an eternity. Especially magplar which is the only class that can actually reset a fight at will. Just by blockcasting one or two BoL's. At least with Cloak I can aoe ultimate a low health nightblade out of Cloak and execute him or pop a detect pot when the nightblade is low and execute him. I've never been in a situation where I'm like crap there's a stamblade, but too often I'm like I'm tied of these block casting talon spamming mag DK's or why can this Templars shrug off all my damage. Sometimes I will literally try to avoid players like that all together. Being invisible is not being invincible Cloak will not absorb damage and you can't do damage while cloaking.
Melee range to do damage? I just pull lethal arrow and cloak off. You not even know who killed you and where the arrow came. Pray god and die.
I can do that on my stamDK, stamSorc or stamWarden as well just by using crouch stealth don't even need cloak.0 -
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✭Joy_Division wrote: »Ok, simple question, which players experience should they consider? If I state everyone in all 10 of my guilds, on both Xbox and ps4 has the same experience as I, does that trump the experience of 4 players?
Don't you understand, the increase in number is only a symptom that NBs are overperfoming.
The actual reason why nbs will be nerfed is because they perform too good
Again, from MY experience, there is no increase in nb's, in fact it's the exact opposite. So which players experience should be taken to heart when considering nerfs?
Not from people who dubbed PvPers carebears and wrote that ZoS has rectified a mistake by having PvP a major part of the game.
Aww, but my experience matters too! And since this super casual carebear snowflake is going to have one of their favorite classes altered to please the minority superhardcore tryhard snowflakes my experience should definitely be taken into account!There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man, true nobility is being superior to your former self
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✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »What's with all the baddies crying on the forums lately. Seriously are they just mad that NB is finally a viable class? Because they were absolute garbage for years while Templars and Sorcs ran the show.
Stop howling for nerfs because you're too bad or too self absorbed to use literally any of the counters to NB cloak. Detect pots, immov pots, magelight, ground AoEs, Reaper's Mark, undodgeable CC.
You have plenty of options, OP, you just seem to be under the impression that being asked to adapt your playstyle to counter something is equitable to it being SupER OP nERF It
Finally a viable class? Nightblade is viable for a long time now. If i didn't care about balance I'd be happy my main ist a stamnb and i have another magnb which i enjoy just as much. But i don't i want a balanced game and right now nightblades are not balanced.
Nightblades have the highest front loaded burst that can be used with it's full strength and with almost no telegraph more often than any other class can + they have the tools to disengage when they fail to be successful during the fight. Dieing on a Nightblade in open world is hard when you are not outnumbered by 1:5, when no one marks you or when you just lack overall situational awareness and skill.
Also the myth of the squishy nightblade is exactly what it's called a myth. Nightblades have one of the best damage mitigations in the game.
When you are good enough to utilise cloak and shade you aren't taking any damage for 90% of the fight. This also frees up your build from needing too much investment into survivability via resistances or heavy armor (although HA NBs are a absolute nightmare) this gives you the opportunity to run high damage and sustain builds with relatively low health/ resistances as you don't take much damage to begin with. If you can't survive open fights as long as other classes it's no issue, you don't have to fight that way if you aren't forced by another nightblade.
Also the effective healing on nightblades is much better than on other classes.
They might have more heals or healing amplifiers but they don't need it. While healing they can get crits on demand, and they don't eat as much damage as a class that's still fully attackable while playing defensive.
So we have a class with the best offence for pvp
(cheap, strong, easy useable, no telegraph and frontloaded)
That comes with the ability to reset fights as often as wanted, has the best mobility/ kiting skill in the game and features more survivability than other classes.
That's about where nightblades are overperfoming.
But the thing is nightblades aren't more survivable than other classes the lack of shields and on demand burst heal make them less survivable than other classes. a stamblade can Cloak all day but eventually it has to come into melee range to do damage. The reason I like fighting nightblades is because you know the fight will end someone will die. You can have fights with other classes that will last an eternity. Especially magplar which is the only class that can actually reset a fight at will. Just by blockcasting one or two BoL's. At least with Cloak I can aoe ultimate a low health nightblade out of Cloak and execute him or pop a detect pot when the nightblade is low and execute him. I've never been in a situation where I'm like crap there's a stamblade, but too often I'm like I'm tied of these block casting talon spamming mag DK's or why can this Templars shrug off all my damage. Sometimes I will literally try to avoid players like that all together. Being invisible is not being invincible Cloak will not absorb damage and you can't do damage while cloaking.
Melee range to do damage? I just pull lethal arrow and cloak off. You not even know who killed you and where the arrow came. Pray god and die.
What have you been talking about? I despise snipers but they can only kill you if you are being zerged down. Get some impen. I don't think I've ever just lost to someone using snipe. And on demand crit vigor heals is not a burst heal it's a HoT. The burst heal is rally and like most Stam classes it's not available all the time.0 -
Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »What's with all the baddies crying on the forums lately. Seriously are they just mad that NB is finally a viable class? Because they were absolute garbage for years while Templars and Sorcs ran the show.
Stop howling for nerfs because you're too bad or too self absorbed to use literally any of the counters to NB cloak. Detect pots, immov pots, magelight, ground AoEs, Reaper's Mark, undodgeable CC.
You have plenty of options, OP, you just seem to be under the impression that being asked to adapt your playstyle to counter something is equitable to it being SupER OP nERF It
Finally a viable class? Nightblade is viable for a long time now. If i didn't care about balance I'd be happy my main ist a stamnb and i have another magnb which i enjoy just as much. But i don't i want a balanced game and right now nightblades are not balanced.
Nightblades have the highest front loaded burst that can be used with it's full strength and with almost no telegraph more often than any other class can + they have the tools to disengage when they fail to be successful during the fight. Dieing on a Nightblade in open world is hard when you are not outnumbered by 1:5, when no one marks you or when you just lack overall situational awareness and skill.
Also the myth of the squishy nightblade is exactly what it's called a myth. Nightblades have one of the best damage mitigations in the game.
When you are good enough to utilise cloak and shade you aren't taking any damage for 90% of the fight. This also frees up your build from needing too much investment into survivability via resistances or heavy armor (although HA NBs are a absolute nightmare) this gives you the opportunity to run high damage and sustain builds with relatively low health/ resistances as you don't take much damage to begin with. If you can't survive open fights as long as other classes it's no issue, you don't have to fight that way if you aren't forced by another nightblade.
Also the effective healing on nightblades is much better than on other classes.
They might have more heals or healing amplifiers but they don't need it. While healing they can get crits on demand, and they don't eat as much damage as a class that's still fully attackable while playing defensive.
So we have a class with the best offence for pvp
(cheap, strong, easy useable, no telegraph and frontloaded)
That comes with the ability to reset fights as often as wanted, has the best mobility/ kiting skill in the game and features more survivability than other classes.
That's about where nightblades are overperfoming.
But the thing is nightblades aren't more survivable than other classes the lack of shields and on demand burst heal make them less survivable than other classes. a stamblade can Cloak all day but eventually it has to come into melee range to do damage. The reason I like fighting nightblades is because you know the fight will end someone will die. You can have fights with other classes that will last an eternity. Especially magplar which is the only class that can actually reset a fight at will. Just by blockcasting one or two BoL's. At least with Cloak I can aoe ultimate a low health nightblade out of Cloak and execute him or pop a detect pot when the nightblade is low and execute him. I've never been in a situation where I'm like crap there's a stamblade, but too often I'm like I'm tied of these block casting talon spamming mag DK's or why can this Templars shrug off all my damage. Sometimes I will literally try to avoid players like that all together. Being invisible is not being invincible Cloak will not absorb damage and you can't do damage while cloaking.
Melee range to do damage? I just pull lethal arrow and cloak off. You not even know who killed you and where the arrow came. Pray god and die.
I can do that on my stamDK, stamSorc or stamWarden as well just by using crouch stealth don't even need cloak.
Lethal arrow is already broken. NB does with cloak . Other classes cannot thats the difference. Other classes give you a chance once location revealed even they do in stealth. Argument has no substance. You cannot know where to hide when you dont know the location.Edited by Priyasekarssk on March 22, 2018 6:43PM0 -
Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭thankyourat wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »What's with all the baddies crying on the forums lately. Seriously are they just mad that NB is finally a viable class? Because they were absolute garbage for years while Templars and Sorcs ran the show.
Stop howling for nerfs because you're too bad or too self absorbed to use literally any of the counters to NB cloak. Detect pots, immov pots, magelight, ground AoEs, Reaper's Mark, undodgeable CC.
You have plenty of options, OP, you just seem to be under the impression that being asked to adapt your playstyle to counter something is equitable to it being SupER OP nERF It
Finally a viable class? Nightblade is viable for a long time now. If i didn't care about balance I'd be happy my main ist a stamnb and i have another magnb which i enjoy just as much. But i don't i want a balanced game and right now nightblades are not balanced.
Nightblades have the highest front loaded burst that can be used with it's full strength and with almost no telegraph more often than any other class can + they have the tools to disengage when they fail to be successful during the fight. Dieing on a Nightblade in open world is hard when you are not outnumbered by 1:5, when no one marks you or when you just lack overall situational awareness and skill.
Also the myth of the squishy nightblade is exactly what it's called a myth. Nightblades have one of the best damage mitigations in the game.
When you are good enough to utilise cloak and shade you aren't taking any damage for 90% of the fight. This also frees up your build from needing too much investment into survivability via resistances or heavy armor (although HA NBs are a absolute nightmare) this gives you the opportunity to run high damage and sustain builds with relatively low health/ resistances as you don't take much damage to begin with. If you can't survive open fights as long as other classes it's no issue, you don't have to fight that way if you aren't forced by another nightblade.
Also the effective healing on nightblades is much better than on other classes.
They might have more heals or healing amplifiers but they don't need it. While healing they can get crits on demand, and they don't eat as much damage as a class that's still fully attackable while playing defensive.
So we have a class with the best offence for pvp
(cheap, strong, easy useable, no telegraph and frontloaded)
That comes with the ability to reset fights as often as wanted, has the best mobility/ kiting skill in the game and features more survivability than other classes.
That's about where nightblades are overperfoming.
But the thing is nightblades aren't more survivable than other classes the lack of shields and on demand burst heal make them less survivable than other classes. a stamblade can Cloak all day but eventually it has to come into melee range to do damage. The reason I like fighting nightblades is because you know the fight will end someone will die. You can have fights with other classes that will last an eternity. Especially magplar which is the only class that can actually reset a fight at will. Just by blockcasting one or two BoL's. At least with Cloak I can aoe ultimate a low health nightblade out of Cloak and execute him or pop a detect pot when the nightblade is low and execute him. I've never been in a situation where I'm like crap there's a stamblade, but too often I'm like I'm tied of these block casting talon spamming mag DK's or why can this Templars shrug off all my damage. Sometimes I will literally try to avoid players like that all together. Being invisible is not being invincible Cloak will not absorb damage and you can't do damage while cloaking.
Melee range to do damage? I just pull lethal arrow and cloak off. You not even know who killed you and where the arrow came. Pray god and die.
What have you been talking about? I despise snipers but they can only kill you if you are being zerged down. Get some impen. I don't think I've ever just lost to someone using snipe. And on demand crit vigor heals is not a burst heal it's a HoT. The burst heal is rally and like most Stam classes it's not available all the time.thankyourat wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »What's with all the baddies crying on the forums lately. Seriously are they just mad that NB is finally a viable class? Because they were absolute garbage for years while Templars and Sorcs ran the show.
Stop howling for nerfs because you're too bad or too self absorbed to use literally any of the counters to NB cloak. Detect pots, immov pots, magelight, ground AoEs, Reaper's Mark, undodgeable CC.
You have plenty of options, OP, you just seem to be under the impression that being asked to adapt your playstyle to counter something is equitable to it being SupER OP nERF It
Finally a viable class? Nightblade is viable for a long time now. If i didn't care about balance I'd be happy my main ist a stamnb and i have another magnb which i enjoy just as much. But i don't i want a balanced game and right now nightblades are not balanced.
Nightblades have the highest front loaded burst that can be used with it's full strength and with almost no telegraph more often than any other class can + they have the tools to disengage when they fail to be successful during the fight. Dieing on a Nightblade in open world is hard when you are not outnumbered by 1:5, when no one marks you or when you just lack overall situational awareness and skill.
Also the myth of the squishy nightblade is exactly what it's called a myth. Nightblades have one of the best damage mitigations in the game.
When you are good enough to utilise cloak and shade you aren't taking any damage for 90% of the fight. This also frees up your build from needing too much investment into survivability via resistances or heavy armor (although HA NBs are a absolute nightmare) this gives you the opportunity to run high damage and sustain builds with relatively low health/ resistances as you don't take much damage to begin with. If you can't survive open fights as long as other classes it's no issue, you don't have to fight that way if you aren't forced by another nightblade.
Also the effective healing on nightblades is much better than on other classes.
They might have more heals or healing amplifiers but they don't need it. While healing they can get crits on demand, and they don't eat as much damage as a class that's still fully attackable while playing defensive.
So we have a class with the best offence for pvp
(cheap, strong, easy useable, no telegraph and frontloaded)
That comes with the ability to reset fights as often as wanted, has the best mobility/ kiting skill in the game and features more survivability than other classes.
That's about where nightblades are overperfoming.
But the thing is nightblades aren't more survivable than other classes the lack of shields and on demand burst heal make them less survivable than other classes. a stamblade can Cloak all day but eventually it has to come into melee range to do damage. The reason I like fighting nightblades is because you know the fight will end someone will die. You can have fights with other classes that will last an eternity. Especially magplar which is the only class that can actually reset a fight at will. Just by blockcasting one or two BoL's. At least with Cloak I can aoe ultimate a low health nightblade out of Cloak and execute him or pop a detect pot when the nightblade is low and execute him. I've never been in a situation where I'm like crap there's a stamblade, but too often I'm like I'm tied of these block casting talon spamming mag DK's or why can this Templars shrug off all my damage. Sometimes I will literally try to avoid players like that all together. Being invisible is not being invincible Cloak will not absorb damage and you can't do damage while cloaking.
Melee range to do damage? I just pull lethal arrow and cloak off. You not even know who killed you and where the arrow came. Pray god and die.
What have you been talking about? I despise snipers but they can only kill you if you are being zerged down. Get some impen. I don't think I've ever just lost to someone using snipe. And on demand crit vigor heals is not a burst heal it's a HoT. The burst heal is rally and like most Stam classes it's not available all the time.
What have you been talking about? crit vigor heals is burst heal even its hot. Dont even agree I ever died to this, died to that. On cloak who will snipe you. Only noobs & people who only know NBs will argue that NB is now fine. Because they dont know how to kill or play other classes . For rest of the players balance of the game is important. NB is beyond OP and broken. No matter what argument NB put you will get a reply. No one is going to agree NB is fine.Edited by Priyasekarssk on March 22, 2018 6:54PM0 -
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✭✭✭@Priyasekarssk Here is the clip you want to see. I screwed myself up at the end by messing up a dodgeroll. Regardless, you can clearly see I was fighting 2 nbs, 1 stam 1 magicka, and I had no problem dealing with them in a 1v5.
Also, @DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER the counters to Incap and nb is in the video. If you look at the 0:04 second mark, I predicted the incap when I saw the Nb ambush, so I dodged roll and avoided the incap. Hurricane also pulled Nbs out of cloak. At the 0: 26 second mark, you can see how DB can be used defensively to shake people off, something incap can't do in outnumbered situations. Oh, and don't forget how often i dodge roll in the video. That is not something only a Nb can do. The only reason I didn't kill all of them was because I forgot to put on steel tornado for the aoe execute. Otherwise that fight would have been a lot easier.
So, don't tell me that Nbs are broken, when it's just a l2p issue.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1RceEaKueT-Pk2-4SNpSYq--N4jr1WX61Edited by StaticWave on March 22, 2018 7:06PM1 -
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✭I love when folks actually post video when making a posts. So much more reliable than take my word for it, I don't work for Zos, but I'm smarter than their entire team.
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man, true nobility is being superior to your former self
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Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭StaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk Here is the clip you want to see. I screw myself up at the end by messing up a dodgeroll. Regardless, you can clearly see I was fighting 2 nbs, 1 stam 1 magicka, and I had no problem dealing with them in a 1v5.
Also, @DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER the counters to Incap is in the video. If you look at the 0:04 second mark, I predicted the incap when I saw the Nb ambush, so I dodged roll and avoided the incap. At the 0.26 second mark, you can see how DB can be used defensively to shake people off, something incap can't do in outnumbered situations. Oh, and don't forget how often i dodge roll in the video. That is not something a Nb can do. The only reason I didn't kill all of them was because I forgot to put on steel tornado for the aoe execute. Otherwise that fight would have been a lot easier.
So, don't tell me how Nbs are broken.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1RceEaKueT-Pk2-4SNpSYq--N4jr1WX61
Dude surving any DK tank can do effectively than you do in this video ? No body will argue DK is OP.
Have you killed anyone is what mattersStaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk Here is the clip you want to see. I screwed myself up at the end by messing up a dodgeroll. Regardless, you can clearly see I was fighting 2 nbs, 1 stam 1 magicka, and I had no problem dealing with them in a 1v5.
Also, @DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER the counters to Incap and nb is in the video. If you look at the 0:04 second mark, I predicted the incap when I saw the Nb ambush, so I dodged roll and avoided the incap. Hurricane also pulled Nbs out of cloak. At the 0: 26 second mark, you can see how DB can be used defensively to shake people off, something incap can't do in outnumbered situations. Oh, and don't forget how often i dodge roll in the video. That is not something only a Nb can do. The only reason I didn't kill all of them was because I forgot to put on steel tornado for the aoe execute. Otherwise that fight would have been a lot easier.
So, don't tell me that Nbs are broken, when it's just a l2p issue.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1RceEaKueT-Pk2-4SNpSYq--N4jr1WX61
They not even used any NB combos . Video doesn't show anything. I can kill 10 NB noobs. Thats does not show NB is ok.
NB hit with poison injection ,lethal arrow , mark target at same time with a CC . You cannot avoid when done from cloak. If CC breaks second CC. Then ambush execute. I never apply INCAP /ultimate or execute before CC applied. They not even put any CC or defiles on you. You want me to take that as proof. NB combos are hard to counter. Lucky if you have speed potion up. Fear best in CC game. Literally turns you back. Even CC is breaked it takes time to turn to correct direction to counter next attack, its hard to recover back and turn table.
I already joined the NB gang. Dont get surprised I support NB in next post. Dont worry NB wont be nerfed. I am pretty confident, because NB never nerfed before , even with so much people whined.Edited by Priyasekarssk on March 22, 2018 7:39PM1 -
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✭✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk Here is the clip you want to see. I screw myself up at the end by messing up a dodgeroll. Regardless, you can clearly see I was fighting 2 nbs, 1 stam 1 magicka, and I had no problem dealing with them in a 1v5.
Also, @DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER the counters to Incap is in the video. If you look at the 0:04 second mark, I predicted the incap when I saw the Nb ambush, so I dodged roll and avoided the incap. At the 0.26 second mark, you can see how DB can be used defensively to shake people off, something incap can't do in outnumbered situations. Oh, and don't forget how often i dodge roll in the video. That is not something a Nb can do. The only reason I didn't kill all of them was because I forgot to put on steel tornado for the aoe execute. Otherwise that fight would have been a lot easier.
So, don't tell me how Nbs are broken.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1RceEaKueT-Pk2-4SNpSYq--N4jr1WX61
Dude surving any DK tank can do effectively than you do in this video ? No body will argue DK is OP.
Have you killed anyone is what mattersStaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk Here is the clip you want to see. I screwed myself up at the end by messing up a dodgeroll. Regardless, you can clearly see I was fighting 2 nbs, 1 stam 1 magicka, and I had no problem dealing with them in a 1v5.
Also, @DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER the counters to Incap and nb is in the video. If you look at the 0:04 second mark, I predicted the incap when I saw the Nb ambush, so I dodged roll and avoided the incap. Hurricane also pulled Nbs out of cloak. At the 0: 26 second mark, you can see how DB can be used defensively to shake people off, something incap can't do in outnumbered situations. Oh, and don't forget how often i dodge roll in the video. That is not something only a Nb can do. The only reason I didn't kill all of them was because I forgot to put on steel tornado for the aoe execute. Otherwise that fight would have been a lot easier.
So, don't tell me that Nbs are broken, when it's just a l2p issue.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1RceEaKueT-Pk2-4SNpSYq--N4jr1WX61
They not even used any NB combos . Video doesn't show anything. I can kill 10 NB noobs. Thats does not show NB is ok.
NB hit with poison injection ,lethal arrow , mark target at same time with a CC . If CC breaks second CC. Then ambush execute. I never apply INCAP /ultimate or execute before CC applied. They not even put any CC or defiles on you. You want me to take that as proof.
I already joined the NB gang. Dont get surprised I support NB in next post. Dont worry NB wont be nerfed. I am pretty confident, because NB never nerfed before , even with so much people whined.
Video doesn't show anything? Uhmm... It shows that I can play other classes and still do well in PvP, despite your claim that I can't. Here let me quote it for you.Priyasekarssk wrote: »Nightblade is broken beyond OP . Do the same in other class and come here ? You cannot.
Until then dont tell others L2P.
Same words : - Learn to play . Dont boost yourself with a broken class beyond OP.
You see? This isn't a Nb problem. It's a l2p problem.
The Nb in the video clearly used his ambush incap combo, which is what 80% of Nbs in cyrodill do. What is your point? Your description of a Nb combo is for a gankblade which I also dislike. I've run into those players in cyrodill, and I have no problem killing them.
Again, you're just QQing because you can't PvP. I understand the need to whine about things that kill you, but there's a certain point where people whine about anything that kill them, but don't put in the effort to adapt to that playstyle. Or they just whine about things that don't need a nerf, and completely ignore other things that do. Miats was made to help deal with those gankblades, but guess what? The community QQ, Miats got nerfed, and now you see a surge of Nb nerf threads. Good players like me do just fine with or without Miats, so it's definitely not the class's problem. Please show me a video of you 1vXing on your stamblade, since I've shown mine to prove my point. Show me how "broken" Nbs are in vet campaigns.Edited by StaticWave on March 22, 2018 7:48PM3 -
Priyasekarssk✭✭✭✭✭StaticWave wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk Here is the clip you want to see. I screw myself up at the end by messing up a dodgeroll. Regardless, you can clearly see I was fighting 2 nbs, 1 stam 1 magicka, and I had no problem dealing with them in a 1v5.
Also, @DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER the counters to Incap is in the video. If you look at the 0:04 second mark, I predicted the incap when I saw the Nb ambush, so I dodged roll and avoided the incap. At the 0.26 second mark, you can see how DB can be used defensively to shake people off, something incap can't do in outnumbered situations. Oh, and don't forget how often i dodge roll in the video. That is not something a Nb can do. The only reason I didn't kill all of them was because I forgot to put on steel tornado for the aoe execute. Otherwise that fight would have been a lot easier.
So, don't tell me how Nbs are broken.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1RceEaKueT-Pk2-4SNpSYq--N4jr1WX61
Dude surving any DK tank can do effectively than you do in this video ? No body will argue DK is OP.
Have you killed anyone is what mattersStaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk Here is the clip you want to see. I screwed myself up at the end by messing up a dodgeroll. Regardless, you can clearly see I was fighting 2 nbs, 1 stam 1 magicka, and I had no problem dealing with them in a 1v5.
Also, @DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER the counters to Incap and nb is in the video. If you look at the 0:04 second mark, I predicted the incap when I saw the Nb ambush, so I dodged roll and avoided the incap. Hurricane also pulled Nbs out of cloak. At the 0: 26 second mark, you can see how DB can be used defensively to shake people off, something incap can't do in outnumbered situations. Oh, and don't forget how often i dodge roll in the video. That is not something only a Nb can do. The only reason I didn't kill all of them was because I forgot to put on steel tornado for the aoe execute. Otherwise that fight would have been a lot easier.
So, don't tell me that Nbs are broken, when it's just a l2p issue.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1RceEaKueT-Pk2-4SNpSYq--N4jr1WX61
They not even used any NB combos . Video doesn't show anything. I can kill 10 NB noobs. Thats does not show NB is ok.
NB hit with poison injection ,lethal arrow , mark target at same time with a CC . If CC breaks second CC. Then ambush execute. I never apply INCAP /ultimate or execute before CC applied. They not even put any CC or defiles on you. You want me to take that as proof.
I already joined the NB gang. Dont get surprised I support NB in next post. Dont worry NB wont be nerfed. I am pretty confident, because NB never nerfed before , even with so much people whined.
Video doesn't show anything? Uhmm... It shows that I can play other classes and still do well in PvP, despite your claim that I can't. Here let me quote it for you.Priyasekarssk wrote: »Nightblade is broken beyond OP . Do the same in other class and come here ? You cannot.
Until then dont tell others L2P.
Same words : - Learn to play . Dont boost yourself with a broken class beyond OP.
You see? This isn't a Nb problem. It's a l2p problem.
The Nb in the video clearly used his ambush incap combo, which is what 80% of Nbs in cyrodill do. What is your point? Your description of a Nb combo is for a gankblade which I also dislike. I've run into hose players in cyrodill, and I have no problem killing them.
Again, you're just QQing because you can't PvP. Please show me a video of you 1vXing on your stamblade, since I've shown mine to prove my point.
Whats meaning of ambush/incap without a defile/CC ? Forget me . No proper pvp player will accept. They not even used a CC or defile or poison. In fact a proper NB uses all 3 before going for an ultimate. Its was in kyne . Is it ok ? Again you come and tell you played against noobs.In fact most of them are. First show a video against proper players. I need few more levels to get to 50. I currently I don't have NB at CP levels. You are the only one arguing NB is Ok. Soon everyone will join you. Lets play hide and seek in cyrodil with lethal arrows and cloak around.Edited by Priyasekarssk on March 22, 2018 7:55PM0 -
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✭✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk Here is the clip you want to see. I screw myself up at the end by messing up a dodgeroll. Regardless, you can clearly see I was fighting 2 nbs, 1 stam 1 magicka, and I had no problem dealing with them in a 1v5.
Also, @DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER the counters to Incap is in the video. If you look at the 0:04 second mark, I predicted the incap when I saw the Nb ambush, so I dodged roll and avoided the incap. At the 0.26 second mark, you can see how DB can be used defensively to shake people off, something incap can't do in outnumbered situations. Oh, and don't forget how often i dodge roll in the video. That is not something a Nb can do. The only reason I didn't kill all of them was because I forgot to put on steel tornado for the aoe execute. Otherwise that fight would have been a lot easier.
So, don't tell me how Nbs are broken.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1RceEaKueT-Pk2-4SNpSYq--N4jr1WX61
Dude surving any DK tank can do effectively than you do in this video ? No body will argue DK is OP.
Have you killed anyone is what mattersStaticWave wrote: »@Priyasekarssk Here is the clip you want to see. I screwed myself up at the end by messing up a dodgeroll. Regardless, you can clearly see I was fighting 2 nbs, 1 stam 1 magicka, and I had no problem dealing with them in a 1v5.
Also, @DRAGON_KILLER_HUNTER the counters to Incap and nb is in the video. If you look at the 0:04 second mark, I predicted the incap when I saw the Nb ambush, so I dodged roll and avoided the incap. Hurricane also pulled Nbs out of cloak. At the 0: 26 second mark, you can see how DB can be used defensively to shake people off, something incap can't do in outnumbered situations. Oh, and don't forget how often i dodge roll in the video. That is not something only a Nb can do. The only reason I didn't kill all of them was because I forgot to put on steel tornado for the aoe execute. Otherwise that fight would have been a lot easier.
So, don't tell me that Nbs are broken, when it's just a l2p issue.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1RceEaKueT-Pk2-4SNpSYq--N4jr1WX61
They not even used any NB combos . Video doesn't show anything. I can kill 10 NB noobs. Thats does not show NB is ok.
NB hit with poison injection ,lethal arrow , mark target at same time with a CC . If CC breaks second CC. Then ambush execute. I never apply INCAP /ultimate or execute before CC applied. They not even put any CC or defiles on you. You want me to take that as proof.
I already joined the NB gang. Dont get surprised I support NB in next post. Dont worry NB wont be nerfed. I am pretty confident, because NB never nerfed before , even with so much people whined.
Video doesn't show anything? Uhmm... It shows that I can play other classes and still do well in PvP, despite your claim that I can't. Here let me quote it for you.Priyasekarssk wrote: »Nightblade is broken beyond OP . Do the same in other class and come here ? You cannot.
Until then dont tell others L2P.
Same words : - Learn to play . Dont boost yourself with a broken class beyond OP.
You see? This isn't a Nb problem. It's a l2p problem.
The Nb in the video clearly used his ambush incap combo, which is what 80% of Nbs in cyrodill do. What is your point? Your description of a Nb combo is for a gankblade which I also dislike. I've run into hose players in cyrodill, and I have no problem killing them.
Again, you're just QQing because you can't PvP. Please show me a video of you 1vXing on your stamblade, since I've shown mine to prove my point.
Whats meaning of ambush/incap without a defile/CC ? They not even used a CC or defile or poison. In fact a proper NB uses all 3 before going for an ultimate. Its was in kyne . Is it ok ? Again you come and tell you played against noobs.In fact most of them are. First show a video against proper players. I need few more levels to get to 50. I currently I don't have NB at CP levels. You are the only one arguing NB is Ok. Soon everyone will join you. Lets play hide and seek in cyrodil with lethal arrows and cloak around.
He never got to finish his combo because I dodged the incap since I anticipated it... You can clearly see it at 0:04 second mark. Something tells me that your emotions are hindering your ability to properly comprehend my post. Let me make it clear for you.
I posted a video to prove that Nbs don't have infinite resources or can infinitely cloak and dodgeroll. You responded to my post saying that I was playing on a broken class, and claimed I cannot do the same on another class. I posted a video of me pulling off the same feat on another class to refute your claim. Then you proceeded to reject my video and divert from the main argument by saying that the Nbs in the video didn't properly execute his combo? What exactly is your problem? You want to see me 1vXing good players?
First of all, you can't 1vX good players. Nobody can. 1vXing is only for slaying pugs. Second, I am friends with most good players in cyrodill, regardless of faction. We don't try to fight each other when we cross paths, because we know that all of us come to cyrodill to slay pugs, not fight each other. Ask any good player and you'll get similar responses. Third, it seems like you're specifically talking about the gankblade playstyle where you hit people from stealth and 1 shot them. That is understandable, but you can't make a blanket statement about the class from a few deaths caused by that playstyle. That playstyle is specifically for ganking. It's useless in group play and outnumbered situations.4 -
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✭✭SkyIsTheLimit1206 wrote: »A majority of magic nightblades in Cyrodiil are not very good TBH. Stamblade is a problem in that it doesn't even need grim focus to succeed. That is part of why magic nightblade is more balanced than stamblade IMO. By requiring 5 light attacks to give off your big burst (That you can combo with other skills) you effectively increase counterplay and increase the TTK. But you don't increase the TTK to the point where it's not viable. I would like to see Surprise attack get a damage reduction but increase the damage of Assassin's Scourge. That way PvP nightblades can adapt to play in a more balanced way and PvE stamblades don't get much of a DPS nerf.
Stamblades in PvE main spammable is Surprise Attack, so it WILL effect them.
Since Stamblades are OP in PvP but fairly balanced in PvE, I suggest nerfing PvP-only Stamblade skills like Incapacitating Strike or Ambush. Incap's strength over Soul Harvest (the PvE morph) is the stun, so keep the stun but nerf its damage a little. Ambush is better than the more PvE oriented AoE magic-based Lotus Fan because it grants Empower, increasing the damage of the next hit by 20%... I say nerf it to give Empower to all abilities *except* the ability you just played (Ambush), so people can't just go SPAMBUSH all day.
Not if you buff merciless... The over all DPS will be the same if adjusted correctly. You have completely ignored the fact I said the increase the damage of a different core abilty.
PvE nightblades use inap, nerfing it's damage won't help
That change for Empower is just not correct at all because then darkflare can't be used as a spammable nor can wrecking blow
I am ignoring your post due to the fact all of your suggestions won't work and you didn't read my entire paragraph. No offense just being blatant
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King_Thelon✭✭✭✭✭StaticWave wrote: »Show me how "broken" Nbs are in vet campaigns.
Take heed to yourself.
For whoever seeketh, findeth.
And to those that knock,
The tower door shall be opened.
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✭✭✭✭King_Thelon wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »Show me how "broken" Nbs are in vet campaigns.
Take heed to yourself.
For whoever seeketh, findeth.
And to those that knock,
The tower door shall be opened.
I’m pretty sure that Smiff would still be OP with a level 10 stamblade and the newbie weapon from cold harbor.
He’s really good.
The only thing I see in there that needs to change: the crit heal bug. He was pretty much healed to full anytime someone did damage to him, especially after the meteor they dropped on him. 100% shadowy disguise crit heals is like having your own major mending passive all of the time.
Without the crit heal, stamblades would be forced to stay in cloak longer in between murder sprees, and spend more resources healing (like everyone else in the game who isn’t a Templar or a heal warden).Edited by Minalan on March 22, 2018 8:42PM1 -
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✭✭✭King_Thelon wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »Show me how "broken" Nbs are in vet campaigns.
Take heed to yourself.
For whoever seeketh, findeth.
And to those that knock,
The tower door shall be opened.
lol good vid. Eternal hunt is pretty nice in tower fights. I love how they kept dying to your selene proc0 -
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✭✭✭King_Thelon wrote: »StaticWave wrote: »Show me how "broken" Nbs are in vet campaigns.
Take heed to yourself.
For whoever seeketh, findeth.
And to those that knock,
The tower door shall be opened.
I’m pretty sure that Smiff would still be OP with a level 10 stamblade and the newbie weapon from cold harbor. He’s really good.
The only thing I see in there that needs to change: the crit heal bug. He was pretty much healed to full anytime someone did damage to him, especially after the meteor they dropped on him. 100% shadowy disguise crit heals is like having your own major mending passive all of the time.
Without the crit heal, stamblades would be forced to stay in cloak longer in between murder sprees, and spend more resources healing (like everyone else in the game who isn’t a Templar or a heal warden).
Then they'll complain about cloak spamming. This is why there is no end lol.1 -
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Then address burst heal with cloak, not nerfing cloak completely.
Fear is just as strong as other CC against mag characters because you have low stamina this isn’t anything new though, just requires management.
Sounds like you are against resetting fights more so then running away, which again gets countered by a lot. Cloak has plenty and shades can be counter by prediction and well timed CC.
Gap closer is irrelevant because they have already taken the damage and stun from it. Plus teleporting strike has been around forever. Plenty of people have hours of videos killing NBs who spam it. Most people just complain because they are getting snagged by 2 or 3 of them when they are running from a keep and end up getting killed.
Lastly I did mention defile from incap in the paragraph about incap. But honestly I don’t care what happens to incap cause I don’t use it anymore. I just feel that for incap if you had to ask people what they would give up more it would be the defile compared to the knockdown.
Lastly before someone calls me a “NB main coming to defend NB and how OP they are” I have only been a NB for 3 or 4 months now. And I have fought plenty of them on my other characters to know that they are not OP. They are great at killing but if they miss an opportunity then they either cloak and relocate or die.
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Then address burst heal with cloak, not nerfing cloak completely.
Fear is just as strong as other CC against mag characters because you have low stamina this isn’t anything new though, just requires management.
The incoming change to critical healing (critical damage modifier doesn't affect critical heals) addresses and probably fixes the crit healing problem.
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✭✭✭Only Nerfs I see happening to NB is Incap losing its stun and Cloak being changed to not Crit Heal HoT ticks.
All these suggestions, like making Cloak break on DoT damage, are ludicrous because they're just nerfs without considering the damage it would do to NBs as a whole. They don't care that NBs have no burst heal, shields, bulkiness, or any form of survivability other than a crap dodge chance buff and running away via Cloak and Shadow Image. No, it's all about nerfing the class into obscurity because they run away when they fail to kill their target and people HATE itArgonian forever3 -
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When nightblades are able to hit these kind of stats it's hard to say they're not powerful
Lmao that build is whack, it has 0 stam sustain, not to mention that you run soul harvest lmao. Meta is so far behind on your platform it is being chased by dinosaurs. I wouldn't be surprised if stamdks there are still running black rose and viper.
Just a month ago they were still complaining about stamDks being too strong. That tells you all you need to know about the average console joes. Not to insult console players or anything, just the average console player is really unaware of how the game works.
Stamblades were always this strong, I got laughed at for telling it, and you were among those players calling me this and that for saying nightblades are overperforming. Now you're acting like you knew it all along?Edited by Ragnarock41 on March 23, 2018 8:50AM3 -
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✭.Silver_Strider wrote: »Only Nerfs I see happening to NB is Incap losing its stun and Cloak being changed to not Crit Heal HoT ticks.
All these suggestions, like making Cloak break on DoT damage, are ludicrous because they're just nerfs without considering the damage it would do to NBs as a whole. They don't care that NBs have no burst heal, shields, bulkiness, or any form of survivability other than a crap dodge chance buff and running away via Cloak and Shadow Image. No, it's all about nerfing the class into obscurity because they run away when they fail to kill their target and people HATE it
The part I bolded sums it up and cuts through all the crap.Edited by Tholian1 on March 23, 2018 2:56AMPS4 Pro NA2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »@Priyasekarssk
Then address burst heal with cloak, not nerfing cloak completely.
Fear is just as strong as other CC against mag characters because you have low stamina this isn’t anything new though, just requires management.
The incoming change to critical healing (critical damage modifier doesn't affect critical heals) addresses and probably fixes the crit healing problem.
Because instead of 80% heal increase they´ll get 70%? I doubt it makes that much of a difference.<Noricum>
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Murador178✭✭✭✭Priyasekarssk wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Priyasekarssk wrote: »RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »Right, play a magNB and tell me again how easy it is to get kills. Seriously, GTFO. So sorry you people dont have your cheat add ons anymore.
I play a meele magnb and i can't count the 1vX clips i could have uploaded if my pc was able to run a video program + ESO at the same time.
If you don't do well no on a nightblade it's completely your fault
I wouldn't go that far. Nightblade may be good right now, but the level of how good it is however is vastly over stated and exaggerated on here.
What are you talking about ? Its not. NB can take on multiple people at once.
Remember Zerg bomb build.
3 Lether arrows in cloak. No body know who even killed them.
Cheap ultimate deadly ultimates.
Strong healing & cloak combo. Either one should be there.
No class can even dream of doing such things.
No, Nightblades can take on multiple people who don't know what they are doing or bomb unaware groups(which is not always a bad thing)
one person in your group running Piercing Mark = Nightblade who is either dead or runs for the hills never to come back...
You are just providing if condition. Question is can other classes do it ?
Can I cloak and critical heal ?
Other classes only have ordinary heal including templar . Templars have burst heal not crit. Even when they heal at most 3 until magicka runs out . Then they will pray god and die. NB its not the case. Battle change in 1 second.
Can I kill multiple people in 1 second without a tough fight ?
Again , I am building a NB meta. Lets all cloak around with lethal arrows and play hide and seek. It will be fun. Fight is boring.
And again a guy not getting how shadow cloak works... Play a nightblade before u complain. Nobody runs the crit cloak morph because it gets consumed by any DoT tick- its plane useless.
Saying stam dk is OP made my day ---> stam dk is one of the weakest classes at the moment. What class are u playing?
So we can nerf shadow cloak for sure.
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✭Seraphayel wrote: »Nightblades were very, very unpopular (or better: underperforming) in during ESOs first years. I am glad that they are a great class now but - as you said - they are a bit overperforming. Too many great skills (Grim Focus, Cloak, Fear) for PvP.
Instead of nerfing NB I would prefer buffing the other classes.
You'd have to buff 7 specs in pvp. The number of changes required to fulfil this is way too high and in the end we'll just have other things which are overperfoming.
In pve we already need to buff certain specs like magdk, Magplar or magwarden as they are underperforming and this will result in New Balance issues.
It's like reworking Code or trying to find an error with an experiment. You want to change as few things as possible and once it's working again you improve it further
Idk what world you live in if you think magplar underperforms in PvP. I can literally afk and live 20s+ in a fight, let alone with purify, bol and eclipse. Top that off with potl morphs being the most brutal damage ability for any numbers above 2 in group (50k hp tanks can still hit 8k) and still extremely strong solo, you have the second easiest class in game after stam warden. I should know, I play one.
Note that I know the grand total of 4 good openworld magnb PvPers and that magNb sucked in PvE for years until the recent patch.Yt Channell: Blobsky
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✭✭✭✭✭Hortator Indoril Nerevar wrote: »Yea I am not reading this but as a pve only nightblade who is not interested in pvp at all can we please stop ruining pve balance for *** pvp...
None of the changes in this post would kill nightblades in pve
Cloak cannot recast
Ultimate cost increase
Cloak is not used in pve
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