Why do the patterns sold by Faustina Curio cost more vouchers?

Jaimeh · March 2018

Maybe I'm late to the party, but I just checked out the wares of the new Master Writ merchant, and I noticed that the blue/purple furnishing patterns cost double the amount of vouchers compared to those sold by Rolis Hlaalu (20/50 vouchers versus 10/25 vouchers). I was wondering what's the justification behind this? In both cases they are blue and purple quality. It might reflect the fact that in reality the Morrowind patters have an abysmally low drop rate, by why should that be a factor if all purple patters for example have supposedly the same chance to drop?

code65536 · March 2018

Yea, there was feedback about this during PTS about the relatively higher cost of those plans.

I think people are okay with it because they had become so used to those plans being impossibly expensive--they've gotten so used to being screwed that a lesser amount of screwage seems like a good thing.

WhiteCoatSyndrome · March 2018

code65536 wrote: »

Yea, there was feedback about this during PTS about the relatively higher cost of those plans.

I think people are okay with it because they had become so used to those plans being impossibly expensive--they've gotten so used to being screwed that a lesser amount of screwage seems like a good thing.

Second this; and this is after they bumped up the cost of vanilla game purple plans too.

Jaimeh · March 2018

code65536 wrote: »

Yea, there was feedback about this during PTS about the relatively higher cost of those plans.

I think people are okay with it because they had become so used to those plans being impossibly expensive--they've gotten so used to being screwed that a lesser amount of screwage seems like a good thing.

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Second this; and this is after they bumped up the cost of vanilla game purple plans too.

I see, I thought it might have had something to do with the drop rate, but I would have imagined that since these drop so rarely they would have kept the same price, so that people could finally get them. Drop chance or voucher cost, they're openly driving us towards the furnishing store, and the fact that this discrepancy passed sort of under the radar (that's my impression, at least) is a bit bothersome.

Blacknight841 · March 2018

Even though they are more expensive, it is still cheaper to get the morrowind plans from the master writ vendors.

Original purple plans : 400+ * 25 vouchers = 10,000 vouchers worth
Original Blue plans : 400+ *10 vouchers = 4,000 vouchers worth

Morrowind Purple plans : 139 * 50 vouchers = 6,750 vouchers worth
Morrowind blue plans : 55 *20 vouchers = 1,100 vouchers worth

total cost to have a chance at getting all original plans from the vendor = 14,000 vouchers
total cost to have a chance at getting all morrowind plans from the vendor = 7,850 vouchers.

It cost almost double to get the old plans as it costs to get the morrwind plans with a higher voucher price. BUT... Assuming you might find half the original purples from loot in the game, and you will most likely not find many morriwind purples through questing. After all that, i would say they area about the same as far as cost goes. IF you consider that you want one particular original plan, you have a 1/400+ chance of getting it out of the envelopes, vs if you want one of the morriwnd ones, where you have a 1/139 chance of getting the one you want.

and the new morrowind plans do not have the same drop rate as the old plans. Old plans outside of morrowind have a 1/400 chance of dropping a specific purple plan, but in morrowind you have a 1/539 chance of dropping that same plan, as it is original plans plus morrowind plans in the loot table. Assuming purple plans in general have the same drop rate every zone. You have an approximate 25% chance of getting a morrowind plan, if you get a purple plan in Vvardenfell.

Jaimeh · March 2018

Blacknight841 wrote: »

Even though they are more expensive, it is still cheaper to get the morrowind plans from the master writ vendors.

Original purple plans : 400+ * 25 vouchers = 10,000 vouchers worth
Original Blue plans : 400+ *10 vouchers = 4,000 vouchers worth

Morrowind Purple plans : 139 * 50 vouchers = 6,750 vouchers worth
Morrowind blue plans : 55 *20 vouchers = 1,100 vouchers worth

total cost to have a chance at getting all original plans from the vendor = 14,000 vouchers
total cost to have a chance at getting all morrowind plans from the vendor = 7,850 vouchers.

It cost almost double to get the old plans as it costs to get the morrwind plans with a higher voucher price. BUT... Assuming you might find half the original purples from loot in the game, and you will most likely not find many morriwind purples through questing. After all that, i would say they area about the same as far as cost goes. IF you consider that you want one particular original plan, you have a 1/400+ chance of getting it out of the envelopes, vs if you want one of the morriwnd ones, where you have a 1/139 chance of getting the one you want.

and the new morrowind plans do not have the same drop rate as the old plans. Old plans outside of morrowind have a 1/400 chance of dropping a specific purple plan, but in morrowind you have a 1/539 chance of dropping that same plan, as it is original plans plus morrowind plans in the loot table. Assuming purple plans in general have the same drop rate every zone. You have an approximate 25% chance of getting a morrowind plan, if you get a purple plan in Vvardenfell.

Thank you, it's very interesting to see the numbers, and to make a wider comparison, assuming the drop rate in different zones is the same, like you said. Nevertheless, the old purple plans can be also acquired for gold from traders much more cheaply than Morrowind plans, and there are more chances for duplicates in 139 vs 400, so voucher total could rise, though if someone sold Morrowind duplicates they would make more gold, so there's that trade-off, at least.

Wreuntzylla · March 2018

The amount of gold all fiurniture plans are selling for is still ludicrously high. It used to be that there would be pages of green/blue recipes for between 40gold and a few hundred gold. Now the floor at a guild trader seems to be about 1k gold.

The morrowind purple recipes *still* sell for ridiculous prices, and I think the 50 voucher cost is a great deal considering the cost of master writs

Jaimeh · March 2018

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

The morrowind purple recipes *still* sell for ridiculous prices, and I think the 50 voucher cost is a great deal considering the cost of master writs

One would still need a great number of writs, taking into account duplicates, but it's definitely less costly than getting them with gold, since most purple ones sell upwards of 100k, and some patterns may not even be available for sale in traders, given their rarity. However, because they are so rare I would have liked them to be the same number of vouchers like the rest of the patterns, so we could finally start aquiring them, and use them in our housing projects. Now it will take more time, especially for players who only have a single crafter character.

Jayne_Doe · March 2018

I'm already having difficulty selling some of my duplicates at much more than 50K gold. They are, of course, things like the plate, floral or the dres cup, sujamma, or the hlaalu box, trinket. I have sold maybe one or two of those at 50k. I can't even sell the indoril lighting for much more than 75k. I've sold a few of some furniture items at 100-125K, like the hlaalu table, formal turtle. But, I've sold easily most Telvanni plans for 150-200K.

I'm in a couple of minor trading guilds, so I guess I might be able to sell them for more if I was in, say, Mournhold. But even there, I've seen the trinket boxes at 60k and lower, with one of the cups at 48k. I think people will buy the few outright that they really want/need, but other items, they're waiting for the price to come down.

I'm also not seeing as many blue patterns as initially. I think that there were some who got a lot of those for the rare blues, and then just sold all their duplicates. The have what they want from those, so they aren't buying any more of them. Just my impression, but I'm seeing more purples and less blues at traders now.

I have about 39 blues still to get and about 55 purples, so got a ways to go, but after my initial purchase of a lot of plans from all the vouchers I've saved up, my drop rate on new MWs has been really poor. I'm lucky if I get more than one or two alchemy/enchanting writs from 6 characters doing all of them. I got one gear writ for 90, but the three other gear writs were all 5. So, it's slow going now, and I may just end up buying the remaining patterns from the traders, as I can farm gold much more easily than I can farm MWs.

Jaimeh · March 2018

@Jayne_Doe Agreed; I'm not holding much hope in collecting them through vouchers any time soon, and even if someone had the gold to go the guild trade route, a lot of them aren't even available for sale. For the time being, if I want to decorate with a Morrowind furniture, I just look for the item itself in the traders, rather than buying the pattern and crafting it.