Forum's Purpose

Tur-Kuruvar · March 2018

Can't the DEVS respond more often to our inquiries? I feel the forums is just for venting rather than ZOS listening to our concerns and requests. If a post relates to a request (with many replies in agreement), I feel ZOS should respond! For example, the removal of crown crates. I saw many requests asking for their removal. In fact, one post included a poll where 60% of players wanted crown crates gone. No response by ZOS. However, if the majority of your customers are making this request, aren't we at least entitled to a response?

ak_pvp · March 2018

Lets be real, we are a vocal minority and shouldn't really shape the game this way. Its a good way for community ideas/contributions, but its not really worth it in the long run.

Zeni is a billion dollar company controlled by shareholders, not an indie company relying on loyal fans.

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Kanar · March 2018

The forums purpose is to give us something to do at work.

Tur-Kuruvar · March 2018

Why a ****posting?

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Maryal · March 2018

Kanar wrote: »

The forums purpose is to give us something to do at work.

don't tell my boss that

Royaji · March 2018

Huh? Aren't they here so we can troll, flame, bait, ****post and farm reputation?

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Pheefs · March 2018

60% of the people from the Forums who answered the poll, though.... not 60% of the players.
& the Crown Crates debate however many complaint threads there might be, enough of us are answering with our wallets to make it hella profitable for them.

Let's be honest.... how long did it take this week for you to see a Flameback Boar Pet or Frostbane Mounts?

Waffennacht · March 2018

Kanar wrote: »

The forums purpose is to give us something to do at work.

This, or when I'm stuck waiting somewhere.

strangeradnd · March 2018

Royaji wrote: »

Huh? Aren't they here so we can troll, flame, bait, ****post and farm reputation?

Yeesss, I mean NO.... I should get back to work.

Waffennacht · March 2018

Oh btw OP. The forums make up a very small percentage of the total player base

DieAlteHexe · March 2018

Tur-Kuruvar wrote: »

Can't the DEVS respond more often to our inquiries? I feel the forums is just for venting rather than ZOS listening to our concerns and requests. If a post relates to a request (with many replies in agreement), I feel ZOS should respond! For example, the removal of crown crates. I saw many requests asking for their removal. In fact, one post included a poll where 60% of players wanted crown crates gone. No response by ZOS. However, if the majority of your customers are making this request, aren't we at least entitled to a response?

Problem with mods (not devs, they're busing coding, designing etc.) responding to everyone's postings is that so often people get all excited and think because a mod responded that whatever it was they wanted or didn't want becomes a "Sure Thing ™".

Also, your "majority of customers" is a misnomer. The majority never even comes near the forums. Best you can claim is "the majority of forum goers" and even that is wobbly.

The purpose is for us to discuss with one and other, post our opinions (and I would wager that they are passed along, well, the rational ones anyway) and offer suggestions. Discussion.

Tur-Kuruvar · March 2018

Aren't we as players of ESO generating a part of that revenue for Zeni? If we are making a reasonable request, shouldn't that been taken into serious consideration?

Aebaradath · March 2018

The forums are an ESO minigame while waiting for maintenance to finish.

strangeradnd · March 2018

Tur-Kuruvar wrote: »

Aren't we as players of ESO generating a part of that revenue for Zeni? If we are making a reasonable request, shouldn't that been taken into serious consideration?

Yup, but requesting they make less money is likely to get laughed at.

DieAlteHexe · March 2018

Tur-Kuruvar wrote: »

Aren't we as players of ESO generating a part of that revenue for Zeni? If we are making a reasonable request, shouldn't that been taken into serious consideration?

Who says it isn't? Just because a mod doesn't comment (and they do, sometimes) doesn't mean that info isn't passed along for consideration.

SirAndy · March 2018

Tur-Kuruvar wrote: »

Can't the DEVS respond more often to our inquiries?

The devs have never had any kind of significant presence here at the forums, not even during the super secret in-house closed beta.

If you are here because you think a dev will read your posts, you will be disappointed ...

psychotrip · March 2018

ak_pvp wrote: »

Lets be real, we are a vocal minority and shouldn't really shape the game this way. Its a good way for community ideas/contributions, but its not really worth it in the long run.

Zeni is a billion dollar company controlled by shareholders, not an indie company relying on loyal fans.

Zenimax is a private company. There aren't any public shareholders.

Tur-Kuruvar · March 2018

I understand that forums make up a small percentage of the player-base, but it is indicative of most likely what the majority of the entire player-base feels.

DieAlteHexe · March 2018

Tur-Kuruvar wrote: »

I understand that forums make up a small percentage of the player-base, but it is indicative of most likely what the majority of the entire player-base feels.

How can you know that? The ONLY way to truly know what the entire playerbase wants is via a login or email poll.

Violynne · March 2018

Tur-Kuruvar wrote: »

Can't the DEVS respond more often to our inquiries?

Nope. Those days are long gone because far too many people over the years took what a dev said to the point of making issues even larger.

Devs are just coders. Those in charge do the PR, and they're well trained to "answer questions" to the point of not actually answering the question.

Or does the phrase "We've heard feedback on this, but we'll see what we can do."

This leaves no definitive statement and keeps it wide open to refute any "But you said..." remarks.

But don't take this as ZoS not reading your feedback.

Oh, they read it. Bad comments and snarly attitudes included.

What they do with this information is none of our business, frankly.

But I like to believe they do what they can to make the game enjoyable to as many people as possible.

eso_nya · March 2018

Hell no. Last thing i want is devs tryharding to reason with the cryhards in here. Thats what community managers r for.

as for secondary topic: crowncrates aint gonna go, no matter what a "majority" of players _wants_. They will be available as long as the "time invested to retex mounts" vs "money gained" ratio adds up. With the average dropchance, one _random_ mount nets ~40k crowns, they gonna be around for a very long time. (That poll also said 40% of ppl who read that post r okay w/ crowncrates and will buy them.)

Fleshreaper · March 2018

Well, someone is triggered. Didn't get your way on a lopsided/biased poll?

Aebaradath · March 2018

Tur-Kuruvar wrote: »

I understand that forums make up a small percentage of the player-base, but it is indicative of most likely what the majority of the entire player-base feels.

Not really. Just because (some) people on the forum are a loud, vocal group doesn't mean the majority necessarily agrees with them.

ak_pvp · March 2018

psychotrip wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Shitposting.

Lets be real, we are a vocal minority and shouldn't really shape the game this way. Its a good way for community ideas/contributions, but its not really worth it in the long run.

Zeni is a billion dollar company controlled by shareholders, not an indie company relying on loyal fans.

Zenimax is a private company. There aren't any public shareholders.

But there are still shareholders, and the company exists to make money.

Dont_do_drugs · March 2018

Tur-Kuruvar wrote: »

I understand that forums make up a small percentage of the player-base, but it is indicative of most likely what the majority of the entire player-base feels.

Some people should learn, what a "representative survey" is.

An opinion of someone not contributing via vote cant be considered any vote in any way. If their opinon doesnt get represented enough, then its their fault, not of those contributing. Compare it with an election. Just stating, that some people didnt vote and the actual election is invalid due to this, doesnt work in RL as well. Statistics and surveys are made every day, they would all be invalid with the logic, that it wouldnt count, because not everyone has been asked.

And after all: People not contributing also shouldnt complain.

DieAlteHexe · March 2018

Here's a good example of why devs (especially) and mods need to keep a low profile.

Assumptions were made...

DeadlyRecluse · March 2018

If I were a dev on this game, I'd avoid the forum like the plague.

Highlor3 · March 2018

ak_pvp wrote: »

Lets be real, we are a vocal minority and shouldn't really shape the game this way. Its a good way for community ideas/contributions, but its not really worth it in the long run.

Zeni is a billion dollar company controlled by shareholders, not an indie company relying on loyal fans.

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ZeniMax Media is a private company, not public. So they don't have shareholders like EA, Activision Blizzard, Ubisoft or Take-Two have, it's mostly composed by few people that were there since the beginning and those brought in by founders.

DieAlteHexe · March 2018

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

If I were a dev on this game, I'd avoid the forum like the plague.

A company I worked for back in the 90s decided to turn the devs loose on a CI$ forum. It was a very funny but also awful debacle. The devs were thrilled when the boss said: "Okay, that was not one of my better ideas" and could get back to doing what they excelled at.

To be able to cope with forum users, you have to have really thick skin and a sense of humour. You also should like being social and, well, people.

Sergykid · March 2018

the forums are for us few players to talk, share ideas, share opinions, etc. The devs or any ZOS representative doesn't have to either listen or respond to us.

but it would greatly increase the relationship if they would just post a "no" so we don't argue further.

Fleshreaper · March 2018

Dont_do_drugs wrote: »

Tur-Kuruvar wrote: »

I understand that forums make up a small percentage of the player-base, but it is indicative of most likely what the majority of the entire player-base feels.

Some people should learn, what a "representative survey" is.

An opinion of someone not contributing via vote cant be considered any vote in any way. If their opinon doesnt get represented enough, then its their fault, not of those contributing. Compare it with an election. Just stating, that some people didnt vote and the actual election is invalid due to this, doesnt work in RL as well. Statistics and surveys are made every day, they would all be invalid with the logic, that it wouldnt count, because not everyone has been asked.

And after all: People not contributing also shouldnt complain.

Now, use your same advise. Do you really think that ZoS is not looking at the number of people who buy crates compared to the people crying on the forums? The people that want crates are buying them and as long as that is happening, they will continue to be sold. Don't like crates? Don't buy them.