Does anyone still use the Frost Staff ever?

PlagueSD · March 2018

Frost staff? yes, I back bar it on my tank.

Tasear · March 2018

red_emu wrote: »

Considering that HA with flame staff is a burst, shock is a channel, frost staff should be a DoT. Taunting enemies has no place in Destro Staff playstyle in my opinion. Either that or please make it deal more damage. I get what OP is saying. My frosty Mag Warden using flame staff in PvP just breaks the immersion but what can I do? Use frost regardless? I might as well turn off the monitor and try to PvP.

This is a nice idea if taunt was in shield and sword passives instead. But how would it fit with game play flow?

PlagueSD · March 2018

red_emu wrote: »

Considering that HA with flame staff is a burst, shock is a channel, frost staff should be a DoT. Taunting enemies has no place in Destro Staff playstyle in my opinion. Either that or please make it deal more damage. I get what OP is saying. My frosty Mag Warden using flame staff in PvP just breaks the immersion but what can I do? Use frost regardless? I might as well turn off the monitor and try to PvP.

Repeat after me..
Frost staff is NOT a DPS weapon.

Once everyone realizes this, these debates will end.

Lynx7386 · March 2018

PlagueSD wrote: »

red_emu wrote: »

Considering that HA with flame staff is a burst, shock is a channel, frost staff should be a DoT. Taunting enemies has no place in Destro Staff playstyle in my opinion. Either that or please make it deal more damage. I get what OP is saying. My frosty Mag Warden using flame staff in PvP just breaks the immersion but what can I do? Use frost regardless? I might as well turn off the monitor and try to PvP.

Repeat after me..
Frost staff is NOT a DPS weapon.

Once everyone realizes this, these debates will end.

This is the bottom line. People need to just get over the fact that ice isn't a dps element any more.

MLGProPlayer · March 2018

esp1992 wrote: »

I love the Warden. I also love Cryomancy along with Green Nature and Beast Magic.
So... my weapon of choice for the Warden is the Frost Staff.
Frost Destruction + Warden Frost Skills = Immersive as ***!
Don’t Like the new Tri-Focus Passive? Just avoid it! Simplicity Itself.

Although I see waaaay more people use an Inferno or Lightning Staff alot more than they use the Frost Staff.
Inferno/Lightning Destruction + Warden Frost Skills = Makes No Sense Whatsoever!

I woder if anyone still uses the Frost Staff at all, especially when they play as the Warden?

People use inferno/lightning staves because they're way stronger. Destruction staff passives add a metric *** ton of DPS. Losing out on that for more immersion doesn't make sense. The frost staff is not a damage weapon. It's a tanking weapon.

Minno · March 2018

Dual Weld/Frost staff in PVP. Ele drain + blocking replaces SnB. Dual weld on templars boosts burning light dmg and you don't have to worry about slotting an AOE/direct dmg ability which the right staff.

You lose out on weaving but gain:
- sustain,
- penetration,
- heavy attack mag restore
- a spamable ranged root that synergizes with jabs/unstable core granting cc imunity, and
- extra armor so you can buff your templar in combat

In pve it might not let you taunt enemies easily, but in PVP it's very strong, especially if you drop the mag block passive and take up amberplasm/shacklebreaker for extra stamina recovery.

bethsheba · March 2018

I do for my Frost Mage. Frost staff skills paired with Warden winters embrace skills. Think of Elsa in Tamriel.

Gargath · March 2018

I use Frost Staff with magsorc pet tank and I love it. A build based on damage shields and 60k hp/20k magicka and 86% reduced block cost. Was playing with Glyph of Shielding on all jewellery - great fun with blocking all with almost no cost

. Resourceless taunts and kind of aoe when hitting multiple enemies with heavy attack.

Frost Staff is so cool, definitely more fun than a sword & board.

Sevn · March 2018

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

esp1992 wrote: »

I love the Warden. I also love Cryomancy along with Green Nature and Beast Magic.
So... my weapon of choice for the Warden is the Frost Staff.
Frost Destruction + Warden Frost Skills = Immersive as ***!
Don’t Like the new Tri-Focus Passive? Just avoid it! Simplicity Itself.

Although I see waaaay more people use an Inferno or Lightning Staff alot more than they use the Frost Staff.
Inferno/Lightning Destruction + Warden Frost Skills = Makes No Sense Whatsoever!

I woder if anyone still uses the Frost Staff at all, especially when they play as the Warden?

People use inferno/lightning staves because they're way stronger. Destruction staff passives add a metric *** ton of DPS. Losing out on that for more immersion doesn't make sense. The frost staff is not a damage weapon. It's a tanking weapon.

Depends. If a person plays Eso, or any videogame for that matter, purely for entertainment, than losing out on some dps makes all the sense in the world to maintain your level of immersion. Can't stress this enough, not everyone takes playing videogames seriously.

I don't care about hitting a certain dps level deemed appropriate by someone else, I care about my frostmage looking and behaving like a frostmage. Using anything other than an ice staff makes zero sense.

esp1992 · March 2018

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

esp1992 wrote: »

I love the Warden. I also love Cryomancy along with Green Nature and Beast Magic.
So... my weapon of choice for the Warden is the Frost Staff.
Frost Destruction + Warden Frost Skills = Immersive as ***!
Don’t Like the new Tri-Focus Passive? Just avoid it! Simplicity Itself.

Although I see waaaay more people use an Inferno or Lightning Staff alot more than they use the Frost Staff.
Inferno/Lightning Destruction + Warden Frost Skills = Makes No Sense Whatsoever!

I woder if anyone still uses the Frost Staff at all, especially when they play as the Warden?

People use inferno/lightning staves because they're way stronger. Destruction staff passives add a metric *** ton of DPS. Losing out on that for more immersion doesn't make sense. The frost staff is not a damage weapon. It's a tanking weapon.

Shor's Bones! You take this game WAAAAY Too Seriously don't you?

DeadlyRecluse · March 2018

Novelty tanks and niche PvP builds make great use of frost staves.

As a PvE DPS, you can make it work by ignoring TriFocus, but obviously it isn't ideal.

TheShadowScout · March 2018

esp1992 wrote: »

Does anyone still use the Frost Staff ever?

Sure I do.
On my magica warden.
It only makes sense, even if it maybe is not the most effective option... but fu... uhm... forget being super-effective, I play to have fun!

PlagueSD wrote: »

Repeat after me..
Frost staff is NOT a DPS weapon.

Once everyone realizes this, these debates will end.

So what?
I mean, sure I would have preferred it if they returned the frost staff to DPS mode, and maybe added a different option for mage tanking...
...but that is not gonna stop me from having fun!

KiraTsukasa · March 2018

TheShadowScout wrote: »

esp1992 wrote: »

Does anyone still use the Frost Staff ever?

Sure I do.
On my magica warden.
It only makes sense, even if it maybe is not the most effective option... but fu... uhm... forget being super-effective, I play to have fun!

PlagueSD wrote: »

Repeat after me..
Frost staff is NOT a DPS weapon.

Once everyone realizes this, these debates will end.

So what?
I mean, sure I would have preferred it if they returned the frost staff to DPS mode, and maybe added a different option for mage tanking...
...but that is not gonna stop me from having fun!

Same.

Anhedonie · March 2018

When I do quests. For RP purposes.

Tan9oSuccka · March 2018

Yes. Unfortunately, many pug “DPS” Sorcerers use them.

I warn them, but lately I let them die. Kinda funny

Onefrkncrzypope · March 2018

when I need crushing its on my Back bar.

Ilithyania · March 2018

only when trolling in lowbie group dungeons

esp1992 · March 2018

TheShadowScout wrote: »

esp1992 wrote: »

Does anyone still use the Frost Staff ever?

Sure I do.
On my magica warden.
It only makes sense, even if it maybe is not the most effective option... but fu... uhm... forget being super-effective, I play to have fun!

PlagueSD wrote: »

Repeat after me..
Frost staff is NOT a DPS weapon.

Once everyone realizes this, these debates will end.

So what?
I mean, sure I would have preferred it if they returned the frost staff to DPS mode, and maybe added a different option for mage tanking...
...but that is not gonna stop me from having fun!

Kyne Praise You!
I just play to have fun too.

lardvader · March 2018

Yes for PvP. Not in PvE ever.

Seraphayel · March 2018

Planning on a Frost Staff build for PvP. The taunt ruins Frost Staff for PvE though.

Sinolai · March 2018

boombazookajd wrote: »

what's a "frost staff"?

Come to think of it, I've never even seen one used in game, personally.

I have seen it a couple of times when doing random dungeons. Usually the user is a healer and takes aggro from every boss. Then they run around the dungeon and blame me for not taunting

josiahva · March 2018

xaraan wrote: »

I don't. Not in any serious manner. Despite having a perfect asylum ice staff and it possibly working for a particular mag warden build I had in mind, it's still not worth it. Just doesn't do the damage other staves do, so I just tell myself I'm doing elemental damage with my warden instead of just ice only and focus on all three elements, ice abilities, fire front, lightning back. And I have some ice staves for tanking, but mostly just weird gimmicky builds. Nothing calls for an ice staff in a serious manner in any of my 15 characters unfortunately.

I'd love to make use of it more on my DD Warden, but ZoS has made the staff terrible.

I would be interested in making a warden based elemental build around the Elemental Succession set, but I suspect DK or Sorc would be the better base class for set....except for the fact that the warden would be able to front bar a flame staff, back bar a lightning staff and avoid the frost staff entirely...whereas one of the other classes would be forced to use the ice staff.

Psyonico · March 2018

Here's a "sub optimal" build for you... I run a NB tank that main hands a frost staff. He's really fun, and I haven't had any issues with non-dlc vet dungeons ( haven't tried any of the DLCs because they tend to annoy me)

Violynne · March 2018

boombazookajd wrote: »

what's a "frost staff"?

Come to think of it, I've never even seen one used in game, personally.

Literally, word for word, what I was about to post.

monktoasty · March 2018

Never used on e a day can't even en sell them

Lynx7386 · March 2018

I pity those who think it's a useless weapon type. BIS backbar weapon for warden tanks, and not much behind for other classes. Any tank running double shields is gimping himself.

Psyonico · March 2018

Lynx7386 wrote: »

I pity those who think it's a useless weapon type. BIS backbar weapon for warden tanks, and not much behind for other classes. Any tank running double shields is gimping himself.

Care to elaborate on why double shield is gimping oneself?

GimpyPorcupine · March 2018

Psyonico wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

I pity those who think it's a useless weapon type. BIS backbar weapon for warden tanks, and not much behind for other classes. Any tank running double shields is gimping himself.

Care to elaborate on why double shield is gimping oneself?

The ability to restore both resources from heavy attacks. The ability to permablock by alternating which resource you use to do so.

Minalan · March 2018

I keep one on my Sorc, usually in inventory.

It’s a lich ice staff, nirnhoned. I use it to spam ice reach on a ball group from a good distance. The snare lets us pick out their healers so that they fall behind the rest of the ball when it’s on the move.

Once separated from the pack, you pick them off with a friend. Big burst. Defile.

josiahva · March 2018

GimpyPorcupine wrote: »

Psyonico wrote: »

Lynx7386 wrote: »

I pity those who think it's a useless weapon type. BIS backbar weapon for warden tanks, and not much behind for other classes. Any tank running double shields is gimping himself.

Care to elaborate on why double shield is gimping oneself?

The ability to restore both resources from heavy attacks. The ability to permablock by alternating which resource you use to do so.

I agree, double shield is indeed gimping yourself. There is nothing like an ice staff for several fights in the game as a tank. It shines for the last boss of both vet Falkreath Hold, and vICP, spamming heavy attacks and unlimited self-healing/reflects from the resource return is nothing to sneeze at, all while holding aggro at range. These days I barely ever slot inner fire aside from just a few fights where a faster ranged taunt is absolutely required. Also using magicka to block be useful. The CC and slow for mobs isnt terrible either, and like all destro staves, it allows the tank to also take care of elemental drain, which frees up a healer skill slot