Does anyone still use the Frost Staff ever?

esp1992

ANGEL_BtVS wrote: »

josiahva wrote: »

ANGEL_BtVS wrote: »

I've said it before and I'll keep saying it. The only way to make everyone happy is for ZOS to create a 3rd staff line focused on support (alteration staff?). Elements could play a part in both destruction and alteration staffs. Ice could be a dps element when used on a destruction staff and defensive when used on a support staff. Perhaps ZOS could come up with unique and interesting defensive traits for fire and lightning as well. I played as a bad azz ice mage DD in Skyrim, looking forward to the day I can do that in ESO. As of now, we have a destruction staff being used a tanking weapon - that's just dumb.

You are wrong...Ice slows stuff...so it makes sense for it to be a tanking weapon, ice in the real world doesn't damage anything, or not very fast, as opposed to fire and lightning which are far more destructive over a short period of time. Go out in an ice storm and you will move much more slowly toward wherever you are going. Just get over that fact that you think every magicka weapon should be DPS, there is more to this game than DPS, and nothing is stopping you from using the ice staff as a DPS weapon, just dont put the passive in...heavy attacks deal less damage now, you only use them for restoring rss now anyway

Passive as it applies to the ice staff:

Fully-charged Frost Heavy Attack taunt the enemy to attack you for 15 seconds and grant a damage shield that absorbs 805 damage.
While a Frost Staff is equipped, blocking cost Magicka instead of Stamina




The shield is virtually worthless...even for a DPS, and the few times you are needing to block stamina works just fine. THERE IS NO REASON TO USE THIS PASSIVE IF YOU ARE USING THE ICE STAFF FOR DPS. Nothing is stopping you from using the ice staff for damage...just like before the changes nothing was stopping DPS from using it...but just like before the changes were made to give tanks more utility, NO ONE USES THE ICE STAFF FOR DAMAGE AND THEY NEVER HAVE....the taunt has nothing to do with it....the fact that there is a distinct lack of ice damage abilities in the game does, even the warden doesnt have enough to make ice damage viable, if ice damage were viable, people would use the ice staff and just not care about that passive.

The ice staff is a DESTRUCTION staff. If something is called a DESTRUCTION staff it's primary focus should be on DESTROYING things. Ice mages in Skyrim absolutely wrecked ish and this game is set in the same universe. For all we know, the ice coming out of an ice staff is coming in at minus 200 degrees - exactly how long would you last in that? Exactly. If ice wasn't meant to do damage, we wouldn't have all of the ice DD-focused things we have now including active and passive skills and equipment sets. It's not like requests for ice dd is an odd thing - it was extremely popular in Skyrim and there are a ton of enemies in Skyrim that dealt it ridiculously well. Again, same universe.

And finally, no, I don't think all magicka should be dps-based. I certainly don't think the resto staff should be dps-focused. And it's the whole reason I'm in favor of creating an alteration staff. To provide magicka-based support that is not focused on dps. An alteration staff would bring a lot more variety to the game. And as I said before, I'm trying to come up with ways to make everyone happy, which based on some of the responses clearly isn't true of everyone in this forum.

I for one will ALWAYS use the Ice Staff on my Mag Warden, especially on top of Ice Abilities..
Instead of taunting, they could make the targeted enemy move up to 50% slower or reduce their Spell Resistance when hit with a heavy attack... or even both.
Also Love the Idea of Alteration Staff.
TO OBLIVION WITH FIRE AND LIGHTNING AND ALL THAT IS META!

SASQUATCH0

I use icestaff on my magdk in pvp. Don’t put any points into trifocus passive and you can block with stamina as much as sword and board

MaxTM

It would be a shame to revamp frost staff. it's an amazing system I've not really talked about it but if you want to see frost staff on tanks (DK in my case) applied to the new trial Cloudrest i posted my videos (click the tank one in this case) in the PlayerGuides section.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/416274/vcloudrest-video-guides-by-maxtm#latest


Frost Staff is amazing for tanks especially with the new 2setbonus changes and so on

sorry to disagree btw OP but i just feel like frost staff is amazing how it is!

Maura_Neysa

_Ahala_ wrote: »

We got some new fun build options in Summerset for magden... but something feels off to me when using only 1 ice skill to deal damage and 2 class abilities... maybe something could be built using accelerating drain but idk... this will require some further testing

I'm console so I havent had a chance to test this yet. But with Psjic I feel like I have the makings of an effective (though still low damage) build. 3 Frost DoTs, 2 Frost proc sets, and one magic spamable with a chance at a Frost proc and a magic DoT

lordspyder

I love my Ice Staff tank, why does everyone want to take away my no cost taunt and infinite block? We need to just leave it alone, it's perfect the way it is

Mattock_Romulus

I use one to scratch my backside

_Ahala_

The actives, passives, and ability altering weapons for the ice destro are so unfocused between damage and tanking that it fails entirely... they should alter ice staff to be a viable dps choice for pvp and pve and give us a real Magicka tanking weapon (alteration staff?) with real tanking actives, passives, and ability altering weapons

Kelces

Frost-tanking is always refreshing...and I mean that in terms of variety of course.

LadyLethalla

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

LadyLethalla wrote: »

Maelstrom Ice staff was the first weapon I got. I worked so hard for that - damn straight I'm going to use it. In PVP.

Masters would be a far better choice

Oh sure, except I haven't found anyone to do VDSA yet.

Sleep

some people are still using it in group dungeons and they want to kick the tank for not tanking