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When do you consider a character "complete/finished"?

Dapper Dinosaur
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I consider a character "finished", with maximum convenience and ready to go for endgame content when all of the following apply:

Max champion rank (obviously)
Their mount speed is 60 and at least 130 bag space
They have all crafting passives required to deconstruct items of any level and quality and not lose items due to lack of skill, instead of having to bank them for my crafter to deconstruct
They have all of the skills and passives maxed that I think I will ever need
They have all of the gear they need in BiS traits and gold enchantments
They have at least 4-star equipment rating (ties into point 4)
Their champion points have been properly tuned after putting on their endgame gear

I believe this covers everything. By my own logic, I don't actually think I have one "finished" character. My healer still needs SPC, my tank is not practiced in hard content yet and doesn't have the undaunted passives or the final point in the undead slayer passive yet, my sorcerer is abandoned until further notice, and my magblade needs a complete overhaul to do anything harder than basegame vets, and my magDK is using Flame Blossom as his second set, which may be inferior to infallible aether with its slayer passive.

Edited by Dapper Dinosaur on March 19, 2018 3:29PM
  • Aliyavana
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    All achievements in the game which means you've delved into every content on that character (pvp,pve) Id also say skillpoints maxed out but morrowind *** that up with making it impossible to get a skillpoint if your character was created after morrowind
    Edited by Aliyavana on March 19, 2018 3:32PM
  • Dapper Dinosaur
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    Achievements have nothing to do with your character though except for the fact they all start with a blank slate, not to mention the vast majority of them can't even really be called achievements and are simply the equivalent of participation trophies.
  • Aliyavana
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    Achievements have nothing to do with your character though except for the fact they all start with a blank slate, not to mention the vast majority of them can't even really be called achievements and are simply the equivalent of participation trophies.

    Exactly, shows you did everything and put yourself out there to experience everything the game has to offer
    Edited by Aliyavana on March 19, 2018 3:36PM
  • TamrielSaviour215
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    aliyavana wrote: »
    All achievements in the game which means you've delved into every content on that character (pvp,pve) Id also say skillpoints maxed out but morrowind *** that up with making it impossible to get a skillpoint if your character was created after morrowind

    There is no way i will ever get this done. Ever. Maxed out for me is CP 720. Which I am still not at. Everything else will come at some point but there is no way I will ever get every achievement on ONE character. I doubt I will even get all the achievements combined across all of my toons lol
    PS4/NA
    Jasunr Cosmus - Imperial Templar, Supreme Healer of the Cosmos CP 240
    Itzal Siavish - Khajit NB, Thief LVL 38
    Bruxana - Altmer Sorc, Powerhouse DPS Lvl 18
    Torvakor - Redguard Stam Warden Lvl 7
    Langsdon Emerson - Imperial DK Tank - Lvl 31
  • Dapper Dinosaur
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    ....That has NOTHING to do with your character. Are you misinterpreting the topic? This is about when you consider a character to be ready for anything you want to try to tackle with him/her and are no longer making sacrifices for playability or convenience to use them. Auto-pilot overworld stuff can be completed by literally any character fresh out of the gate with champion points.

    You are confusing having a character finished with having the game finished.
    Edited by Dapper Dinosaur on March 19, 2018 3:40PM
  • Zhaedri
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    When their RP story is complete and I have killed them off IC.
    @Zhaedri PC NA

  • Horowonnoe
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    When i can pull 40k on it
    PC / NA
    Templar Healer "False Eye"
    Sorc Healer "Potema the Wolf Queen"
    Warden Healer "Heavy Attacks Online"
    Magicka Nightblade DPS "Nephaleth Telvanni"
    Dragonknight Tank "Nico's Facsimile"

    Builds & Guides:
    Horow's Templar Healer Guide for Trials (Murkmire updated)
    How to get Felms to jump correctly in vAS HM?
    Horow's vMA Magicka Sorc Build for beginners and lazy farmers
    Horow's Magicka Sorc Triple Pet Heavy Attack Build - Summerset Isles Ready
    More builds at anthem-guild.com/pve/.

    Notable Achievements:
    - World's first 18 Axes vAA clear
    - World's first 20+ enrage stack Llothis in vAS HM and World record cone damage
  • Aliyavana
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    ....That has NOTHING to do with your character. Are you misinterpreting the topic? This is about when you consider a character to be ready for anything you want to try to tackle with him/her and are no longer making sacrifices for playability or convenience to use them. Auto-pilot overworld stuff can be completed by literally any character fresh out of the gate with champion points.

    You are confusing having a character finished with having the game finished.

    Then the title should be when your ready, not completed imo
  • Nestor
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    When I have 130 to 150 Skill Points. Then I can do things with them.
    Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.

    PakKat "Everything was going well, until I died"
    Gary Gravestink "I am glad you died, I needed the help"

  • jaschacasadiob16_ESO
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    If you could enforce your points, like 90% of the people that do vet trials should not.
    "Yesterday while searching a barrel in vVoM I found a lemon. Best drop of the whole run."

    Protect the weak. Heal the sick.
    Treasure the gifts of friendship. Seek joy and inspiration in the mysteries of love.
    Honor the Earth, its creatures, and the spirits. Use Nature's gifts wisely. Respect her power. Fear her fury.
  • Asardes
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    For what I consider my first line characters, or "mains" the requirements are quite stringent:

    When it comes to levels and skills:
    - level 50 all racial passives filled
    - all Class skill lines at 50, every skill morphed and trained to rank IV, every passive filled
    - all useful Weapon lines at 50, every skill morphed and trained to rank IV, every passive filled
    - all 3 Armor lines leveled to 50, the main one fully filled, and all passives that don't require 5 pieces filled as well
    - all 6 Crafting lines leveled to 50, and the main passive, as well as Alchemy:Medicinal use and the refinement ones filled; optionally the research (if they haven't fully researched) and quality ones as well if I have skill points
    - Fighters Guild and Mages Guild at 10, some passives filled, some of the skills morphed to rank IV depending if it's stamina of magicka.
    - Assault and Support at 10, every passive filled, some of the skills morphed and trained to rank IV, depending if it's stamina of magicka.
    - Undaunted at 10, every passive filled, some of the skills morphed and trained to rank IV
    - Ledgermain to at least 16, so I can fill the sneak cost reduction passive, I slowly let it level to 20 then
    - Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood to 12, just in case
    - CP filled according to the designated role

    When it comes to gear:
    - a PvP setup, always damage orientated, but also with high in build sustain (1.5-1.8K recovery in main resource)
    - a generic PvE DD setup, made up of trial gear - VO for stamina/IA for magicka - plus an appropriate crafted or dropped set -
    Hunding's Rage or Briarheart for Stamina, Law of Julianos for Magicka - and either a full or 1/2 monster set with a Maelstrom weapon - back bar
    - for stamina characters at least a group support PvE DD setup featuring one or multiple of the following: Night Mother's Gaze, Sunderflame, Morag Tong, War Machine
    - for stamina characters at least a tanking setup, using various sets, not all of them considered META, but allowing at least veteran DLC dungeon tanking; the Stamina DK has multiple setup for veteran trials, with full group support
    - for magicka characters at least a healing setup containing Spellpower Cure set; the Magicka Templar has various other sets and special weapons ready for veteran trials, with full group support
    - all gear is fully upgraded, and in the case of jewelry, available at the highest quality readily available (not chasing Cyrodiiil vendor for years)


    For the second line ones line ones, or "alts" have pretty relaxed ones, since I don't plan to play them for now:
    - level 50, no racial passives filled
    - all 3 Class skill lines at 50, every skill morphed and trained to rank IV, but only the essential ones unlocked
    - all Weapon skill lines at 50, every skill morphed and trained to rank IV, but only the essential ones unlocked
    - at least the main Armor line at 50, no passives filled, with the rest not much far behind since I use mixed weight gear leveling
    - all 6 Crafting lines leveled to 50, and the main passive filled so they can do daily writs - takes up the bulk of their skill points
    - Fighters Guild at 10 - quite easy grinding Maelstrom and dolmens - and only the ultimate unlocked for stamina characters
    - a generic PvE DD setup, made up of trial gear - VO for stamina/IA for magicka - plus an appropriate dropped set - with only the jewels and weapons available at the highest quality, with the body armor only upgraded to purple
    - CP filled in a way that makes them sufficiently effective to explore and gain skill points once I decide to activate them
    Edited by Asardes on March 19, 2018 4:14PM
    Beta tester since February 2014, played ESO-TU October 2015 - August 2022, currently on an extended break
    vMA (The Flawless Conqueror) | vVH (Spirit Slayer & of the Undying Song) | vDSA | vAA HM | vHRC HM | vSO HM | vMoL | vAS+1 | Emperor

    PC-EU CP 3000+
    41,000+ Achievement Points before High Isle
    Member of:
    Pact Veteran Trade: Exemplary
    Traders of the Covenant: God of Sales
    Tamriels Emporium: God of Sales
    Valinor Overflow: Trader
    The Traveling Merchant: Silver


    Characters:
    Asardes | 50 Nord Dragonknight | EP AR 50 | Master Crafter: all traits & recipes, all styles released before High Isle
    Alxaril Nelcarion | 50 High Elf Sorcerer | AD AR 20 |
    Dro'Bear Three-paws | 50 Khajiit Nightblade | AD AR 20 |
    Veronique Nicole | 50 Breton Templar | DC AR 20 |
    Sabina Flavia Cosades | 50 Imperial Warden | EP AR 20 |
    Ervesa Neloren | 50 Dark Elf Dragonknight | EP AR 20 |
    Fendar Khodwin | 50 Redguard Sorcerer | DC AR 20 |
    Surilanwe of Lillandril | 50 High Elf Nightblade | AD AR 20 |
    Joleen the Swift | 50 Redguard Templar | DC AR 20 |
    Draynor Telvanni | 50 Dark Elf Warden | EP AR 20 |
    Claudius Tharn | 50 Necromancer | DC AR 20 |
    Nazura-la the Bonedancer | 50 Necromancer | AD AR 20 |

    Tharkul gro-Shug | 50 Orc Dragonknight | DC AR 4 |
    Ushruka gra-Lhurgash | 50 Orc Sorcerer | AD AR 4 |
    Cienwen ferch Llywelyn | 50 Breton Nightblade | DC AR 4 |
    Plays-with-Sunray | 50 Argonian Templar | EP AR 4 |
    Milariel | 50 Wood Elf Warden | AD AR 4 |
    Scheei-Jul | 50 Necromancer | EP AR 4 |

    PC-NA CP 1800+
    30,000+ Achievement Points before High Isle
    Member of:
    Savage Blade: Majestic Machette


    Characters:
    Asardes the Exile | 50 Nord Dragonknight | EP AR 30 |
  • Dapper Dinosaur
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    @Asardes That's a pretty good list. Losts of luxury items in there that I don't consider important, but having them would definitely mean your character is completely done.
  • Asardes
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    Well I decided to limit myself to 5 characters for now, and improve gameplay quality, instead of churning away more. It's mind numbing to re-do the same quests and locations on yet more, and I will take a long break from that process. I have much more gear in storage that I'm currently using, but I will do an analysis about what sets & slots to keep. The quality aspect consists in improving single target DPS on all mains by practicing on target dummy as well as real enemies, the knowledge of their support roles, as well as specific dungeon and trial mechanics. For example now I'm progressing healer through trial contend I've done as tank and/or melee DD. I've just completed vAA, vHRC & vSO HM and I will try vMoL in a couple of days. I'm not satisfied limiting my progression to a single class, but I want to do the whole spectrum or roles, across multiple classes. This way I'm not set back by any of the changes occurring in the game. It's counterproductive to get overly attached of one character & role in a game with so many radical changes occurring in a short time span.
    Beta tester since February 2014, played ESO-TU October 2015 - August 2022, currently on an extended break
    vMA (The Flawless Conqueror) | vVH (Spirit Slayer & of the Undying Song) | vDSA | vAA HM | vHRC HM | vSO HM | vMoL | vAS+1 | Emperor

    PC-EU CP 3000+
    41,000+ Achievement Points before High Isle
    Member of:
    Pact Veteran Trade: Exemplary
    Traders of the Covenant: God of Sales
    Tamriels Emporium: God of Sales
    Valinor Overflow: Trader
    The Traveling Merchant: Silver


    Characters:
    Asardes | 50 Nord Dragonknight | EP AR 50 | Master Crafter: all traits & recipes, all styles released before High Isle
    Alxaril Nelcarion | 50 High Elf Sorcerer | AD AR 20 |
    Dro'Bear Three-paws | 50 Khajiit Nightblade | AD AR 20 |
    Veronique Nicole | 50 Breton Templar | DC AR 20 |
    Sabina Flavia Cosades | 50 Imperial Warden | EP AR 20 |
    Ervesa Neloren | 50 Dark Elf Dragonknight | EP AR 20 |
    Fendar Khodwin | 50 Redguard Sorcerer | DC AR 20 |
    Surilanwe of Lillandril | 50 High Elf Nightblade | AD AR 20 |
    Joleen the Swift | 50 Redguard Templar | DC AR 20 |
    Draynor Telvanni | 50 Dark Elf Warden | EP AR 20 |
    Claudius Tharn | 50 Necromancer | DC AR 20 |
    Nazura-la the Bonedancer | 50 Necromancer | AD AR 20 |

    Tharkul gro-Shug | 50 Orc Dragonknight | DC AR 4 |
    Ushruka gra-Lhurgash | 50 Orc Sorcerer | AD AR 4 |
    Cienwen ferch Llywelyn | 50 Breton Nightblade | DC AR 4 |
    Plays-with-Sunray | 50 Argonian Templar | EP AR 4 |
    Milariel | 50 Wood Elf Warden | AD AR 4 |
    Scheei-Jul | 50 Necromancer | EP AR 4 |

    PC-NA CP 1800+
    30,000+ Achievement Points before High Isle
    Member of:
    Savage Blade: Majestic Machette


    Characters:
    Asardes the Exile | 50 Nord Dragonknight | EP AR 30 |
  • Ley
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    Never.
    Leylith - MagSorc | Leyloth - StamPlar | Leynerd - MagPlar | Leylit - StamBlade | Ley Eviticus - StamDK | Leydor - MagDen | Leylum - StamSorc | Leylux - MagBlade
  • srfrogg23
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    They’re complete/finished when I get bored with them.
  • Bevik
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    - Gear (close to BiS, can be purple with blue jewellery, I'm not a maximalist with gold jewellery)
    - Skills with some extra skill points to spend
    - Max CP, but to be honest a low CP can be as good as some maxed CP player
    - Knowing the character, skills, rotation atleast for proper DPS, don't need to be so perfected but still
    - I'm not a big achievement hunter so they don't matter much for me unless they give something like dyes

    So basically what others wrote.
  • GimpyPorcupine
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    Never.
    8-hr/day casual on Xbox NA. 20 Characters, all DC, all Level 50. +2900CP
  • MajesticHaruki
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    When I am bored of looking at them.
    PC/EU @MajThorax Sorcerer and Housing Decorator prodigy
    In my spare time I collect materials and run away from mudcrabs
  • RaddlemanNumber7
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    I'll say "never" as well. There's always something new.
    PC EU
  • DieAlteHexe
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    It's an MMO, so I should hope the proper answer is "never".

    Edit: Guess, based on a comment, I need to clarify. At the rate and way I play, "never" is the answer. I've played pretty much all of the MMOs that have come out in the past two decades and never have finished any despite being "high level"/end-game in many. It's one of the reasons I like MMOs, evolution.
    Edited by DieAlteHexe on March 19, 2018 5:57PM

    Dirty, filthy casual aka Nancy, the Wallet Warrior Carebear Potato Whale Snowflake
  • ThinkerOfThings
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    NEEEEEEVEER!
    "It is very, very sad being mortal. There is happiness, yes. But mostly sadness. As I have said, count only the happy hours." - Vivec
    XBOX - EP: Sen Sadri ( DE NB )
  • Skayaq
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    It's an MMO, so I should hope the proper answer is "never".

    Yes this, if I consider a character "finished" it's because I failed when I created it.
    Kazari-Dar, Khajiit Nightblade..........Jarkyr Storm-Blade, Nord Sorcerer .......... Dunric Amedain, Breton Templar

    Araniwen, Altmer Sorcerer..................Llirasa Andralu, Dunmer Templar...................Marzug gro-Borgaz, Orc Warden

    Calinchel, Bosmer Warden...................Jahrel-Xei, Argonian Nightblade....................Cienri Maraeud, Breton Sorcerer

    Inara Savicci, Imperial Templar...................Garoric Attilus, Imperial Dragonknight............ Maevina Tallian, Imperial Nightblade

    Ravanni-Ko, Khajiit Dragonknight..........Faevyn Ice-Heart, Nord Warden..........Nazran al-Taneth, Redguard Dragonknight
  • Arobain
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    when the build i create on the character performs the way i designed it to
  • OmniDo
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    It's an MMO, so I should hope the proper answer is "never".
    No, not really.
    If someone has sufficient time to invest in the game, it is possible to do everything that can be done, acquire everything that could be acquired, and develop said character in a way that permits everything realistically possible (excluding niche min/max configurations), regardless of whether its an "MMO" or not.

    To never be done with your character deliberately, is to not be a completionist.
    I'd argue a significant fraction of the players could most likely fall into that category.
  • DieAlteHexe
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    OmniDo wrote: »
    It's an MMO, so I should hope the proper answer is "never".
    No, not really.
    If someone has sufficient time to invest in the game, it is possible to do everything that can be done, acquire everything that could be acquired, and develop said character in a way that permits everything realistically possible (excluding niche min/max configurations), regardless of whether its an "MMO" or not.

    To never be done with your character deliberately, is to not be a completionist.
    I'd argue a significant fraction of the players could most likely fall into that category.

    Yes, yes really. :)

    The question asked *me* when *I* considered a character complete.

    YMMV.

    Dirty, filthy casual aka Nancy, the Wallet Warrior Carebear Potato Whale Snowflake
  • madchuska83
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    I have a crafter, so no need for all toons to have points in anything but alchemy. My main has done all solo content with skyshards and zone clears, so no need to go through all that again. My bank is full of end-game gear, so no more farming.

    Which means that any new toon I create will be considered "complete" when they have acquired enough skill points for whatever build I'm making.
  • Integral1900
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    No such thing as a finished charecter
  • Vanya
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    Never. When the game officially dies, My characters and tale will end, but even then so It shall eternally live in "the memory of my song" It may be a bit exaggerated, I am a exaggerated passionate soul indeed. It never ends. Tis never complete.

    The vastness of the world,social aspect,Alternative characters, constant PVP action, all the little wonders one can experience. It shall expanded furthermore, There is always a reason to stay, It depends on your views ,desires , goals and so on.

    In theory Elder Scrolls Online is virtually unlimited. Tamriel Unlimited is a worthy name indeed. I love the game already in such an extent ,that no amount of "content" finished, Quests , all of the Achievements humanly possible wouldn't not stop me. Inevitable return.

    Tis sorrowful to witness players obsessing over loot and consider it "finished" when you For instance acquire top gear or finish all of the Achievements,than ask yourself in the end? Was about it journey or destination , or true love for the game or pure Acquisition of the wealth?

    An eternal Circle. The road goes ever on and on.

    Kind Regards

    Vanya
    Edited by Vanya on March 19, 2018 6:43PM
  • Dapper Dinosaur
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    You're so busy being dramatic that you're misinterpreting the topic, Vanya. I'm not asking "when do you finish playing a character". I'm asking "When do you consider a character done to the point where you don't have to do any more work on them to improve them".
  • Leandor
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    Never. I just consider them as "good enough until the next round of combat adjustments"...
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