When do you consider a character "complete/finished"?

OrdoHermetica

For me, they're complete when they're able to do everything I intended for them to do and I find myself leveling up other skills just 'cuz. For example, I'm leveling S+B on my stamplar DPS toon because why not? It'll let me fake tank in random dungeons without ruining everything for the group.

Ch4mpTW

I view a character as complete, once I have: Gotten their “Undaunted Mettle” passive maxed out, have all of their skills that they’ll be using a level 4, and have given them their gear which I had set aside for them. That to me is when my character is complete, and ready to go about tackling things without any worries for the most part. Everything prior to that point, is just a relatively long “preparation phase”.

driosketch

When the character has purple or higher gear, to PvP, PvE solo, PvE vet dungeons, and PvE normal trials as a DPS and/or healer or tank maybe; so at least 3-5 gear combinations. Also character is lvl 50, fully trained mount riding, and enough skills points to do any of the above. Speaking of skills, all lines that are relavent to the character need to be maxed, including crafting. Finally, they need to have their look down; that's costume, outfit, mount, pet, and even house.

PlagueSD

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

You're so busy being dramatic that you're misinterpreting the topic, Vanya. I'm not asking "when do you finish playing a character". I'm asking "When do you consider a character done to the point where you don't have to do any more work on them to improve them".

When you can faceroll vMA.

MLGProPlayer

When they can successfully complete the toughest content in the game (don't necessarily need 100% BiS, just need good enough) AND when they look sexy AF.

Lynx7386

A character is never finished.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

Never. They evolve with every new update.

Jhalin

Whenever they're at level cap and have maxed Undaunted and Mages guild. Everything else is pretty easy to get after that

newtinmpls

It's an MMORPG and the RPG part of it means that I play for the enjoyment of playing.


So Never.

jedtb16_ESO

Ley wrote: »

Never.

^this....

there is always something else you can do in terms of gear and skills.

SydneyGrey

When I have all their skills and passives maxed out and full armor sets on each that are upgraded at least to purple, and weapons to gold.

Leveling Undaunted is separate, because it takes so dang long. This is why I laugh when people against class change/alliance change use the "you can level up a character in four hours" excuse. It takes FOREVER to level up Undaunted. (Not to mention rider training, skyshards, etc.)

kargen27

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

....That has NOTHING to do with your character. Are you misinterpreting the topic? This is about when you consider a character to be ready for anything you want to try to tackle with him/her and are no longer making sacrifices for playability or convenience to use them. Auto-pilot overworld stuff can be completed by literally any character fresh out of the gate with champion points.

You are confusing having a character finished with having the game finished.

No, they play the game different than you. I have one character that will never be finished. She is my main character and with her I am trying for every achievement in the game. A few of them I know will not happen. My tank is properly geared and ready for all the PvE content there is. He isn't finished though because he hasn't done some of that content and I still play him. Just having all the proper gear and skills doesn't make for a finished character in my opinion. It makes for a properly outfitted character and there is a difference in finished and properly outfitted. Outfitted meaning not just gear but all the skills and other things that go into a build for your character.

Even with properly outfitted how people play the game will dictate what properly outfitted is. I have friends who almost exclusively farm mats and do writs/master writs. It is what they enjoy doing and their characters are built with that in mind. I have one friend who likes leveling characters. For him they are finished when they get to level 50. He has ten accounts on PC and also plays on the console. He doesn't mind doing some end game stuff but for him what is most fun is the leveling process.

You started this thread by asking people their opinion. You can't assume people don't understand the question based on them not playing the game the way you play the game.

I do have a couple of characters that for now I would consider finished in the sense that I got bored with playing them and now they are mules. From time to time I go back and try them again but for now they are finished or more to the point I am finished with them.

Marabornwingrion

aliyavana wrote: »

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

....That has NOTHING to do with your character. Are you misinterpreting the topic? This is about when you consider a character to be ready for anything you want to try to tackle with him/her and are no longer making sacrifices for playability or convenience to use them. Auto-pilot overworld stuff can be completed by literally any character fresh out of the gate with champion points.

You are confusing having a character finished with having the game finished.

Then the title should be when your ready, not completed imo

Agree. I play only 1 character and I will consider her as finished if she will have 100% achievements completed.

Dapper Dinosaur

You started this thread by asking people their opinion. You can't assume people don't understand the question based on them not playing the game the way you play the game.

I didn't think I had to be even more specific than "At what point do you consider a character ready for anything."

What was I supposed to say? "At what point do you consider a character's progress for the content you want to tackle completed"?

It's very clear from the responses in here that there's only a couple of people that didn't comprehend what I meant, the rest of the responses are in line with the question.

HighKinlady

Usually when I get to the one star rank in pvp .. that gives me enough time to figure out what I’m doing ... sort of .

dovakiin5574

I believe my characters are "done"/ready when they have all the skills and passives maxed out that are applicable to the build I am using for them. For DPS specifically, they must also have ALL GOLD gear and be able to pull >30k DPS (This changes as the meta changes so in essence... DPS is "done" until the next heart-breaking patch then I make the needed adjustments). For healers I need their gear to be GOLD (minus jewlery when using Worm Cult instead of Mending). Tanks I need them to have several sets to change as needed for different situations and to be able to hit the Resistance Cap easily. Also vRoM HM completion on tanks.

ol_BANK_lo

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

I consider a character "finished", with maximum convenience and ready to go for endgame content when all of the following apply:

Max champion rank (obviously)
Their mount speed is 60 and at least 130 bag space
They have all crafting passives required to deconstruct items of any level and quality and not lose items due to lack of skill, instead of having to bank them for my crafter to deconstruct
They have all of the skills and passives maxed that I think I will ever need
They have all of the gear they need in BiS traits and gold enchantments
They have at least 4-star equipment rating (ties into point 4)
Their champion points have been properly tuned after putting on their endgame gear

I believe this covers everything. By my own logic, I don't actually think I have one "finished" character. My healer still needs SPC, my tank is not practiced in hard content yet and doesn't have the undaunted passives or the final point in the undead slayer passive yet, my sorcerer is abandoned until further notice, and my magblade needs a complete overhaul to do anything harder than basegame vets, and my magDK is using Flame Blossom as his second set, which may be inferior to infallible aether with its slayer passive.

1. all skill lines maxed
2. all skills needed maxed (including morphs)
3. max crafters (all 6 crafts level 50), with all skill points
4. Mages Guild 10 (if needed)
5. enough skill points (and skyshards) for all skills and crafts
6. max legerdemain
7. max riding skills
8. max bag space
9. assault/support to a level needed for skills (and passives in some cases)
10. max Fighters Guild
11. max armor lines
12. max vampire (in most cases)
13. max racial line (obviously)

As for gear, yes, I want to outfit each toon appropriately, with BiS traits, and usually gold for PVE. But that is not a contingency of a complete character, because it is constantly evolving based on each patch, each raid group, what others are wearing in your group. So, that does go into a "complete" character in my book.

kargen27

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

You started this thread by asking people their opinion. You can't assume people don't understand the question based on them not playing the game the way you play the game.

I didn't think I had to be even more specific than "At what point do you consider a character ready for anything."

What was I supposed to say? "At what point do you consider a character's progress for the content you want to tackle completed"?

It's very clear from the responses in here that there's only a couple of people that didn't comprehend what I meant, the rest of the responses are in line with the question.

Ready for anything might have been better but a bit comprehensive. Do you have a maximum speed build for farming? Do you have the armor that will help you succeed as a thief? Not everybody has the same goals in mind when they play this game.

And just for sake of argument I checked. Never is the answer most often given and was given almost twice as much as all other answers combined. Answers close to yours were actually among the lowest in total.

Again finished depends on what each player wants that character to be and what they want to do on that character. Even with same goals in mind the answer could vary. If you are wanting to do vet trials no death speed runs you might consider your character finished when you are properly equipped while another player might consider them finished when they have completed the content enough times for it to no longer be a struggle. Your answer in the original post has a very defined end game in mind. Not everybody has the same goals in mind so that needs to be considered.

You are actually getting a lot of good answers in this thread. You can get an idea by the answers given how some of these people choose to play and in some cases see whether or not they see an end game for their character. Many do not see an end game so do not see finishing a character.

Morgul667

Undaunted level 9

All skills and passives I need, leveled up

Related PVE or PVP gear

3 equipment Crafting skills at level 50 with related hirelings skill points

Alchemy passive up for potion passive

ol_BANK_lo

BANK_IT_HERE wrote: »

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

I consider a character "finished", with maximum convenience and ready to go for endgame content when all of the following apply:

Max champion rank (obviously)
Their mount speed is 60 and at least 130 bag space
They have all crafting passives required to deconstruct items of any level and quality and not lose items due to lack of skill, instead of having to bank them for my crafter to deconstruct
They have all of the skills and passives maxed that I think I will ever need
They have all of the gear they need in BiS traits and gold enchantments
They have at least 4-star equipment rating (ties into point 4)
Their champion points have been properly tuned after putting on their endgame gear

I believe this covers everything. By my own logic, I don't actually think I have one "finished" character. My healer still needs SPC, my tank is not practiced in hard content yet and doesn't have the undaunted passives or the final point in the undead slayer passive yet, my sorcerer is abandoned until further notice, and my magblade needs a complete overhaul to do anything harder than basegame vets, and my magDK is using Flame Blossom as his second set, which may be inferior to infallible aether with its slayer passive.

1. all skill lines maxed
2. all skills needed maxed (including morphs)
3. max crafters (all 6 crafts level 50), with all skill points
4. Mages Guild 10 (if needed)
5. enough skill points (and skyshards) for all skills and crafts
6. max legerdemain
7. max riding skills
8. max bag space
9. assault/support to a level needed for skills (and passives in some cases)
10. max Fighters Guild
11. max armor lines
12. max vampire (in most cases)
13. max racial line (obviously)

As for gear, yes, I want to outfit each toon appropriately, with BiS traits, and usually gold for PVE. But that is not a contingency of a complete character, because it is constantly evolving based on each patch, each raid group, what others are wearing in your group. So, that does go into a "complete" character in my book.

Oh yes, and Undaunted Maxed, and all food/drink recipes learned that that toon would want to use.

LadyLethalla

I think my NA sorc is relatively "finished" - she has pretty much the entire list, except for CP only being around 400 at present (which is a work in progress of course). But seeing how I only started her 2 months ago and when I started I had 136CP on that server (with the max enlightenment) I think I've done pretty well to get her to this point. She has pretty much every required skill and passive unlocked except a few of the Legerdemain and the Shadow Rider passives, and has several spare Skill Points. And is working on learning traits, and the remaining horse riding.

FloppyTouch

When I can 1v1 my friends and sometimes win

McI

Well I never truly consider a character totally complete, do have some bench marks for them.

I always get the Tamreil Hero title, and max in; thieves, dark brotherhood, mages, fighters,undaunted guilds. Also, all the horse training.

I have three characters with these goals I have set for myself, all in gold gear.

newtinmpls

Dapper Dinosaur wrote: »

You started this thread by asking people their opinion. You can't assume people don't understand the question based on them not playing the game the way you play the game.

I didn't think I had to be even more specific than "At what point do you consider a character ready for anything."

What was I supposed to say? "At what point do you consider a character's progress for the content you want to tackle completed"?

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I think you have now asked three very different questions:

The initial, "when is a character finished" read to me more about when are you "done" playing them. For me, pretty much, never.

The second one; considering a character to be "ready for anything" - again, not relevant to me, because I don't play trials, PvP (much) or super-death-vet stuff. So there is a large chunk of ESO that I'm not gonna play, hence don't bother to prepare for.

The final iteration is well said, I think:

"At what point do you consider a character's progress for the content you want to tackle completed"?

Since what I enjoy is the process itself - and I sub and so get new DLC, and options regularly (sorta) - I'm inherently never "completed".

Chess has an "end". RPG, not so much.

LuxLunae

I still haven't completed a vMA or a vDSA....I've been playing the game for a while...I am guessing I am a casual..... I refuse not to get through it with the first character I made. Otherwise the games premise is BS....


CP 712
Templar
Redguard
HP 17k
MP 10k
SP 37K
WD 2.6k
Crit 30%
SR 2100

Will it ever become complete? I have no idea...

Dojohoda

I've got a few characters that are typically ready for action. I guess they could be considered finished, but I will just say they are equipped for just about anything in their respective category.

That said "I" have a lot of room for improvement.

Asardes

I don't consider changing a morph, CP distribution or swapping a gear piece or set on an otherwise complete character (see above list) to be relevant. That can be done in a few minutes. If the gear is in inventory already I just log to the bank char, put it in bank, fully upgrade it and use it. Also I have almost all relevant dungeon sets I don't have much else to farm but a few disparate pieces from certain sets, as well as some trial sets, but those won't offer much of an advantage compared to what I have already. For example changing 4p Infallible Mage for 4p Moondancer would make very little difference regardless of build. Simply running content that kind of gear tends to accumulate, and a lot of it has even trickled down to my 2nd line characters. PvP gear is even easier to acquire, since most of it is BoE, and thus can be found for purchase in guild stores. Also riding skills and bag space are maximized on every char, even bank chars

greylox

Never

Ilithyania

all relevant passives. gold gear.

Violynne

If I ever consider any of my characters "finished" then this means the game is "finished" for me. Thankfully, this isn't going to happen anytime soon.

I'm working a new character, who just hit CP yesterday.

I've a ton of work to do. My other character can't craft medium armor or blacksmith, so I'm a bit challenged right now.

Just the way I want it.