Can Someone Explain This to Me

Ch4mpTW · March 2018

Can someone please explain to me why it is that so many people truly believe that Crown Crates are needed to keep ESO up and running? I am beginning to hear and see this argument appear more frequently, and I’m truly curious where said beliefs and or logic originates from. Thank you in advance.

DieAlteHexe · March 2018

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Can someone please explain to me why it is that so many people truly believe that Crown Crates are needed to keep ESO up and running? I am beginning to hear and see this argument appear more frequently, and I’m truly curious where said beliefs and or logic originates from. Thank you in advance.

I suppose it's based on the introduction into many MMOs with the view that it does make money or they wouldn't bother with it. It creates a whole subset of coding so there must be profit.

Or something.

I really do think it makes them scads (loose definition, no actual figures) of money. Not sure I go along with it keeping them going but until we see their ledgers it's at least not a totally crazy assumption. Big bucks in 'em.

Vulsahdaal · March 2018

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Can someone please explain to me why it is that so many people truly believe that Crown Crates are needed to keep ESO up and running? I am beginning to hear and see this argument appear more frequently, and I’m truly curious where said beliefs and or logic originates from. Thank you in advance.

I dont really know if they are truly needed to keep ESO up and running, but the way I see it, is that the extra income couldnt hurt. I figure, they will keep the doors (or in this case, the gates of Tamriel) open as long as money is being made.

SirAndy · March 2018

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Can someone please explain to me why it is that so many people truly believe that Crown Crates are needed to keep ESO up and running? I am beginning to hear and see this argument appear more frequently, and I’m truly curious where said beliefs and or logic originates from. Thank you in advance.

The funny thing about shareholders and the executive level in general, they are always looking to increase revenue from year to year.

They are never satisfied with a steady stream of income, they are always looking for *growth*.

Ch4mpTW · March 2018

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Can someone please explain to me why it is that so many people truly believe that Crown Crates are needed to keep ESO up and running? I am beginning to hear and see this argument appear more frequently, and I’m truly curious where said beliefs and or logic originates from. Thank you in advance.

I dont really know if they are truly needed to keep ESO up and running, but the way I see it, is that the extra income couldnt hurt. I figure, they will keep the doors (or in this case, the gates of Tamriel) open as long as money is being made.

I see. But if that were the case, wouldn’t all the people who have ESO+ subscriptions be enough? I mean, the game could always revert back to its P2P origins. As I’m sure that the amount of income generated from that would be more than enough to keep the game up and running. Well maintain as well.

code65536 · March 2018

Can someone explain to me why people like making vague, non-specific titles on a forum as if they were tasked with writing headlines for a clickbait site? Heavens forbid that a thread title actually be descriptive.

VaranisArano · March 2018

Because clearly ZOS couldn't be doing something as predatory as locking cool items behind RNG loot boxes out of greed or desire for a higher profit margin than they'd make from just selling the items. Clearly, Crown Crates must be necessary to the continuation of the game. Otherwise, clearly ZOS would choose an option that's more player-friendly.

Clearly.

TelvanniWizard · March 2018

Hope this answers why ZOS keeps up with this rapacious market model:

ParaNostram · March 2018

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Can someone please explain to me why it is that so many people truly believe that Crown Crates are needed to keep ESO up and running? I am beginning to hear and see this argument appear more frequently, and I’m truly curious where said beliefs and or logic originates from. Thank you in advance.

People either can't or don't want to admit that it's just a capitalist money making scheme that is enriching the publishers and shareholders, diverting the already limited dev team away from bug fixes and new content, and overall making the game worse. People just can't or don't want to believe that exploitative systems like this would be implemented with zero actual benefit for the players.

Aebaradath · March 2018

Shane O'Mac's WWE theme just also happens to be ZOS' theme.

Seriously, though. I'm just hoping they'll go back to the P2P model.

srfrogg23 · March 2018

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Can someone please explain to me why it is that so many people truly believe that Crown Crates are needed to keep ESO up and running? I am beginning to hear and see this argument appear more frequently, and I’m truly curious where said beliefs and or logic originates from. Thank you in advance.

Because there are a lot of people out there who will support any cause, idea, or policy no matter how asinine or detrimental, if they perceive the source to be some sort of an authority. Human history is full of examples.

Vulsahdaal · March 2018

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Vulsahdaal wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Can someone please explain to me why it is that so many people truly believe that Crown Crates are needed to keep ESO up and running? I am beginning to hear and see this argument appear more frequently, and I’m truly curious where said beliefs and or logic originates from. Thank you in advance.

I dont really know if they are truly needed to keep ESO up and running, but the way I see it, is that the extra income couldnt hurt. I figure, they will keep the doors (or in this case, the gates of Tamriel) open as long as money is being made.

I see. But if that were the case, wouldn’t all the people who have ESO+ subscriptions be enough?

Enough? Enough of what? You think they have a profit limit they should not exceed?

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I mean, the game could always revert back to its P2P origins. As I’m sure that the amount of income generated from that would be more than enough to keep the game up and running. Well maintain as well.

You know, Id really like to believe you here but honestly Im not too sure. As to myself, Ive been subscribed since day 1 and I wouldnt object to going back to P2P origins.
However, I think forcing the subscription would cause many others to flee. Then we would end up P2P with crown crates for an additional cost to make up the difference.
No proof, but this is just the way I expect it would go, and honestly Im not even sure if that would be able to sustain the game long term.
Basically, the way I see it, is what we have now is probably the best way to do it. Some will subscribe. Some will buy crown store items, DLC etc by the piece when they feel like it. Some will purchase crates. Some will do a few or even all of above.
Choice is not a bad thing, it keeps players coming back. Profit for the company is not a bad thing either, it keeps them interested in continuing and building on the game if for no other reason other than to increase profit.
Theres a balance here, and as far as Im concerned so far, so good. At the moment, I have no objections to the way things are being done.

Dymence · March 2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kIPNckHDN8

Food for thought

Onefrkncrzypope · March 2018

First and foremost ZoS is a business. They did not start as an Indi company either. What this means is that though they enjoy their creation, the profit was always a factor in the games creation. P2P can be argue for a PC only game but since they are on consoles that already require a subscription P2P would damage the numbers from a large portion of thier players. Crown crates is an easy and normal solution to revenue gain. Now why not sell the objects directly? That could work but the draw of the crates is being able to spend less than 10 dollars and maybe getting a mount like the elk, instead of buying the elk for 50 dollars. These microtransactions are successful because of how little the consumer "sacrifices" in the transaction. Meaning it's easier for someone to spend 10 dollars on a chance to get a mount than it is for someone to justify a 60 dollar loaf of pixels. They are at least very kind in that you get to save your gems. Heck they even roll over to the new season of Cron crates. Listen everything in the crates are cosmetic or not game breaking. Just ignore the crates, enjoy the free ones you get and move on with your day.

logarifmik · March 2018

There should be some Rules of Acquisition, explaining this moment... Ah, here!
Rule 10. Greed is eternal.
Rule 45. Expand or die.
Rule 87. Learn the customer's weaknesses so you can better take advantage of them.
Rule 97. Enough... is never enough.

Now seriously. We don't have any data regarding company incomes. As customers, we can only speculate, and as a customer I don't think, that Crown crates are absolutely neccesary to keep company afloat.

Ch4mpTW · March 2018

Dymence wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kIPNckHDN8

Food for thought

This post right here is a true gem. Bookmark quality video as well. Thanks for that.

Anotherone773 · March 2018

The number one purpose of a business is to make a profit. Their is a second purpose of a business.

Ardan147 · March 2018

SirAndy wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Can someone please explain to me why it is that so many people truly believe that Crown Crates are needed to keep ESO up and running? I am beginning to hear and see this argument appear more frequently, and I’m truly curious where said beliefs and or logic originates from. Thank you in advance.

The funny thing about shareholders and the executive level in general, they are always looking to increase revenue from year to year.

They are never satisfied with a steady stream of income, they are always looking for *growth*.

Part of the problem there is just plain capitalism, in that it forces you to "grow or die." If the shareholders don't see sufficient growth in the company, then they'll sell of their shares and invest that money into more promising ventures. If the company is unable to raise capital, it won't be able to have its products remain competitive in the market and will inevitably collapse and go bankrupt.

Shantu · March 2018

I don't see anything wrong with making money. No money, no game. However, while I've contributed quite a bit for crowns, I've never invested a penny in crown crates. The ones I've gotten for special events contain 99% junk I have no interest in.

SirAndy · March 2018

Ardan147 wrote: »

Part of the problem there is just plain capitalism, in that it forces you to "grow or die." If the shareholders don't see sufficient growth in the company, then they'll sell of their shares and invest that money into more promising ventures. If the company is unable to raise capital, it won't be able to have its products remain competitive in the market and will inevitably collapse and go bankrupt.

It doesn't make much sense though. The company i work for made $500 million profit last year. That is $500 million after all expenses and taxes etc. That's a *lot* of money in the bank.

We just had a big meeting with the CEO last week and he announced that he wants us to make $1 billion per year by 2023. That's an additional $100 million each year for the next 5 years.

The problem with that is, if we don't meet that quota and let's say only make an additional $80 million this year, they will freak out, cut bonuses, fire people, lament how *we* failed them and generally act like the sky is falling, even though they will have banked a solid $580 million.

ofSunhold · March 2018

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Can someone please explain to me why it is that so many people truly believe that Crown Crates are needed to keep ESO up and running? I am beginning to hear and see this argument appear more frequently, and I’m truly curious where said beliefs and or logic originates from. Thank you in advance.

Maybe those are people who can't imagine, if they were selling a product or service, allowing it to stay in a state of chaotic disrepair - unless for some reason they lacked the means to fix it. And/or they've never had to deal up close with people for whom "enough profits" is a nonsense phrase, because "enough" is not a quantity profit comes in.

Unquestioning faith in humanity. That's my theory.

AzraelKrieg · March 2018

I wonder if ZOS had chosen not to release on console if the crates never would have been a thing since the game probably would still have been P2P

Dymence · March 2018

SirAndy wrote: »

Ardan147 wrote: »

Part of the problem there is just plain capitalism, in that it forces you to "grow or die." If the shareholders don't see sufficient growth in the company, then they'll sell of their shares and invest that money into more promising ventures. If the company is unable to raise capital, it won't be able to have its products remain competitive in the market and will inevitably collapse and go bankrupt.

It doesn't make much sense though. The company i work for made $500 million profit last year. That is $500 million after all expenses and taxes etc. That's a *lot* of money in the bank.

We just had a big meeting with the CEO last week and he announced that he wants us to make $1 billion per year by 2023. That's an additional $100 million each year for the next 5 years.

The problem with that is, if we don't meet that quota and let's say only make an additional $80 million this year, they will freak out, cut bonuses, fire people, lament how *we* failed them and generally act like the sky is falling, even though they will have banked a solid $580 million.

This about sums it up quite well doesn't it.

Making bank isn't good enough. It needs to be more and more and more in an everlasting spiral. And damned be the long term consequences of that.

boombazookajd · March 2018

I've always looked at it as if they resorted to the crates, they must need the income. I don't know what ZOS's bottom line is and I'll give em the benefit of the doubt. I don't know if these things let the bosses buy a new Corvette or if it helps Gina get a Christmas bonus, or allows them to employ a few extra folks.

Ultimately, until I'm educated on intricacies of game developers and how much money is actually out there, I can't help but think that they have these unliked crates in the game because it helps the game go.

But also, I don't care if a company pulls a profit even off of crates. I mean, look at freakin Vegas man. Money and corruption runs deep there but ya'll aren't campaigning for the destruction of that gaudy monstrosity (a crown crate to who ever gets that reference!)

Rohamad_Ali · March 2018

Does not matter who started a rumor if it's simply untrue . Zenimax Media , ZoS's parent company , makes more money then some people could even imagine . The game can afford super bowl commercial time and many more unnecessary expenses to attract players from every market . Games that actually need to resort to loot boxes to stay alive are games you haven't heard of , not AAA titles . They add them to AAA titles to simply milk a larger audience of every penny they can , not out of any survival reasons . You would think with the extra revenue that Devs would be paid more for their work and raises across the corporate board would take place but instead we mostly see layoffs , less people doing the job of many people and less quality work over time . Strained servers and increased bugs . It's all just a player milking technique and some gullible people bite on the expenses hook anyways .

Elsonso · March 2018

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Can someone please explain to me why it is that so many people truly believe that Crown Crates are needed to keep ESO up and running? I am beginning to hear and see this argument appear more frequently, and I’m truly curious where said beliefs and or logic originates from. Thank you in advance.

I don't think they need the revenue to keep ESO up and running. I think that Crown Crates are helping to fund development of Game 2.

NewBlacksmurf · March 2018

Edit:

Thing is no one is buying crown crates nor ever has. You can only buy crowns via eso plus or crowns only.

People’s logic......is whatever they make up in their heads.

Acrolas · March 2018

ZeniMax is an example of a solvent company with private equity backing.

Toys R Us and iHeartMedia are examples of insolvent companies with private equity backing.

Some call solvency greed. I call it dependable cash flow. Sure, somebody out there is making more money than they perhaps deserve to. But let them deal with that problem. I'm content with there being more than enough money to circulate through the entirety of ZeniMax's assets without debt obligations becoming a gigantic distracting problem.

Crates are just another service. Are they needed? Needs are such a subjective thing. Did we really need another fantasy MMO on the market? Do we really need video games? It's all just luxury on top of luxury on top of luxury. First world problems.

I just know I'm a little happier spending money on a family of companies that isn't saddled with inescapable debt.

witchdoctor · March 2018

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

... and I’m truly curious where said beliefs and or logic originates from.

Because it is logical to assume that corporations act rationally. In other words, they do X for a rational reason, even if it is not a direct correlation.

Without knowing ZOS's financials, it is therefore safe to presume that ZOS does X, in this case, sell crown crates, because Y, it makes a profit.

Are those profits required to keep ESO 'running?' Who knows. Does it hurt the cause? Probably not.

Therefore, I could care less about crown crates, because the ESO model isn't all that bad. If someone wants to spend money to try and get a pretty mount, they can go visit Pakrooti for all I care.

Grimm13 · March 2018

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Can someone please explain to me why it is that so many people truly believe that Crown Crates are needed to keep ESO up and running? I am beginning to hear and see this argument appear more frequently, and I’m truly curious where said beliefs and or logic originates from. Thank you in advance.

each crate contains a dose of skooma so these poor souls have already succumbed to the addition, they will not listen to rational debate and will continue to throw money at the shiniest of sparkly mounts an such.

Ch4mpTW · March 2018

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Does not matter who started a rumor if it's simply untrue . Zenimax Media , ZoS's parent company , makes more money then some people could even imagine . The game can afford super bowl commercial time and many more unnecessary expenses to attract players from every market . Games that actually need to resort to loot boxes to stay alive are games you haven't heard of , not AAA titles . They add them to AAA titles to simply milk a larger audience of every penny they can , not out of any survival reasons . You would think with the extra revenue that Devs would be paid more for their work and raises across the corporate board would take place but instead we mostly see layoffs , less people doing the job of many people and less quality work over time . Strained servers and increased bugs . It's all just a player milking technique and some gullible people bite on the expenses hook anyways .

Damn... That’s some food for thought and real talk right there.