It's not "meta" or a proc set and streamers didn't make a build with it so no one uses it. However On my Nord stam DK it is one of the foundations of my 2h set up it's a good set, it also boosts stamina heals as well vigor and rally.

Illurian wrote: »

It isn't effectively 629 weapon damage as that last bonus only applies to physical damage abilities. This means that poison abilities and light/heavy attacks aren't affected.

Oh wow, poison and disease damage abilities don't fall under physical?

It's a very good set on a stam sorc playing 2h/w&s: hurricane, ransack, crit rush, reverse slice, dawnbreaker of smite are all physical damage, as well as set like selene/tremor. Couple that set with alchemist/ravager and it gonna hit like a truck.

To fix some misinformations above me:

Illurian wrote: »

It isn't effectively 629 weapon damage as that last bonus only applies to physical damage abilities. This means that poison abilities and light/heavy attacks aren't affected.

Yes it buffs light/heavy attack damage (if it is physical)

kaorunandrak wrote: »

It's not "meta" or a proc set and streamers didn't make a build with it so no one uses it. However On my Nord stam DK it is one of the foundations of my 2h set up it's a good set, it also boosts stamina heals as well vigor and rally.

No it does not buffs heals.

Illurian wrote: »

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

To fix some misinformations above me:

Illurian wrote: »

It isn't effectively 629 weapon damage as that last bonus only applies to physical damage abilities. This means that poison abilities and light/heavy attacks aren't affected.

Yes it buffs light/heavy attack damage (if it is physical)

My apologies if I'm wrong, but have you tested this? I haven't myself, but it specifically states physical abilities, which light/heavy attacks do not fall under.

Yes. All similiar sets like automaton also buff light/heavy attacks of same damage type (like +400 to magic damage will buff resto light attacks, + 400 to fire fire staff attacks)
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/343255/psa-for-sets-like-automaton-netch-war-maiden

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

Illurian wrote: »

sodantokb16_ESO wrote: »

To fix some misinformations above me:

Illurian wrote: »

It isn't effectively 629 weapon damage as that last bonus only applies to physical damage abilities. This means that poison abilities and light/heavy attacks aren't affected.

Yes it buffs light/heavy attack damage (if it is physical)

My apologies if I'm wrong, but have you tested this? I haven't myself, but it specifically states physical abilities, which light/heavy attacks do not fall under.

Yes. All similiar sets like automaton also buff light/heavy attacks of same damage type (like +400 to magic damage will buff resto light attacks, + 400 to fire fire staff attacks)
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/343255/psa-for-sets-like-automaton-netch-war-maiden

Great! Good to know, thanks!

I use it, but i am a pvp gankblade. The issue with proc sets is they have to proc. Sometimes i'll one shot someone some times it wont fire and i'll die. I hate that rng.

So i am playing onslaught and trying to one shot people. Typically that build uses sword singers as that does more damage but i also want to snipe.

My onslaught hits for 54k (27k vs players) and my focused aim for about 39k (18k).

clocksstoppe wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

I use it, but i am a pvp gankblade. The issue with proc sets is they have to proc. Sometimes i'll one shot someone some times it wont fire and i'll die. I hate that rng.

So i am playing onslaught and trying to one shot people. Typically that build uses sword singers as that does more damage but i also want to snipe.

My onslaught hits for 54k (27k vs players) and my focused aim for about 39k (18k).

Your onslaught is weak. For ganking stack health to 80k and use a nirnhoned sword. You'll hit npcs for over 100k in stealth and 50k+ to players.

Id like to see a video if someone hitting 50k onslaught in pvp. To put it bluntly, you are almost certainly lying.

You obviously don't know all ultimate scale off max stat Inc health. Most people easily hit for 50k+ in stealth to npcs just from using a regular build. Given it ignore all armor ratings the damage it does in pvp it's exactly half of what it does in PvE. Using 80k health with plague doctor and something like fasilla it's stupidly easy to hit that figure using 7 heavy and all healthy jewelry. Still has over 3k weapon damage and nirnhoned in this case is superior to sharpened. Sharp us useless for this skill.

I assure you, you can gank a lot harder than 50k. Assuming you don't know NBs hit for near 4x as much when sneaking and using physical attacks either.

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

I use it, but i am a pvp gankblade. The issue with proc sets is they have to proc. Sometimes i'll one shot someone some times it wont fire and i'll die. I hate that rng.

So i am playing onslaught and trying to one shot people. Typically that build uses sword singers as that does more damage but i also want to snipe.

My onslaught hits for 54k (27k vs players) and my focused aim for about 39k (18k).

Your onslaught is weak. For ganking stack health to 80k and use a nirnhoned sword. You'll hit npcs for over 100k in stealth and 50k+ to players.

Id like to see a video if someone hitting 50k onslaught in pvp. To put it bluntly, you are almost certainly lying.

You obviously don't know all ultimate scale off max stat Inc health.

This is wrong. Ultimates scale either of mag or stam (whichever is higher) in addition to spell or wep dmg (whichever is higher).

The highest you can get your onslaught TOOLTIP consistently is using the obvious sets slimeclaw alchemist sword singer( for no Nbs, NBs just add agility or 2x wep dmg instead of slime), but i cant give you numbers cause i dont gank and despise alchemist.

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

I use it, but i am a pvp gankblade. The issue with proc sets is they have to proc. Sometimes i'll one shot someone some times it wont fire and i'll die. I hate that rng.

So i am playing onslaught and trying to one shot people. Typically that build uses sword singers as that does more damage but i also want to snipe.

My onslaught hits for 54k (27k vs players) and my focused aim for about 39k (18k).

Your onslaught is weak. For ganking stack health to 80k and use a nirnhoned sword. You'll hit npcs for over 100k in stealth and 50k+ to players.

Id like to see a video if someone hitting 50k onslaught in pvp. To put it bluntly, you are almost certainly lying.

Given it ignore all armor ratings the damage it does in pvp it's exactly half of what it does in PvE.

This is also false. Onslaught still gets reduced by %mitigation, such as major and minor protection as well as champion point mitigation. It also gets reduced by crit resitance (from stealth).

clocksstoppe wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

I use it, but i am a pvp gankblade. The issue with proc sets is they have to proc. Sometimes i'll one shot someone some times it wont fire and i'll die. I hate that rng.

So i am playing onslaught and trying to one shot people. Typically that build uses sword singers as that does more damage but i also want to snipe.

My onslaught hits for 54k (27k vs players) and my focused aim for about 39k (18k).

Your onslaught is weak. For ganking stack health to 80k and use a nirnhoned sword. You'll hit npcs for over 100k in stealth and 50k+ to players.

Id like to see a video if someone hitting 50k onslaught in pvp. To put it bluntly, you are almost certainly lying.

You obviously don't know all ultimate scale off max stat Inc health. Most people easily hit for 50k+ in stealth to npcs just from using a regular build. Given it ignore all armor ratings the damage it does in pvp it's exactly half of what it does in PvE. Using 80k health with plague doctor and something like fasilla it's stupidly easy to hit that figure using 7 heavy and all healthy jewelry. Still has over 3k weapon damage and nirnhoned in this case is superior to sharpened. Sharp us useless for this skill.

I assure you, you can gank a lot harder than 50k. Assuming you don't know NBs hit for near 4x as much when sneaking and using physical attacks either.

Pics or it didnt happen.

A 50k+ PvP hit would be entirely possible, albeit mostly under artificial circumstances. To achieve this "just" do the following:
Go the setup i mentioned in a post above.
Be a khajit/bosmer. (10%sneak dmg)
Get a buddy for spellpower cure and powerful assault. (A bunch of wep dmg)
Get continuous attack. (% wep dmg)
Let your ally blow an aggressive horn. (Major force =15% crit dmg. max stats)
Synergize a storm atro. (Major brutality =25% dmg)
Have a pet DK for minor brutality. (% wep dmg)
Have your buddies apply minor vulnerability to the target. (8% increased mdg taken)
Get stalwart guard from a buddy (8% crit dmg)
Buff up, including empower from magelight.
Hit a no impen, no CP target.

For added 10% damage you can also have your buddy set the target off balance. (Exploiter passive from CP)

And if you want to go even further use bash to kill another (casting) dummy first, for the dmg bonus from the opportunist (you need the kill to reenter sneak quickly).
Maybe we can even get a 100k hit from all those % modifiers.

And on top of that, next patch we can get a 100% dmg buff from vanguards challenge, but sthealth bonus dmg is RIP, and 100% dmg from power sigils in BGs (albeit without CP there).

I might actually be tempted to get a few friends to do this now . . .

I have never heard of 50K vs players.. and ultimates definately don't scale off hp, perhaps they used to?. I have heard that 30K is pretty common though.

I would expect that it should be 60K on the target skeleton whille I am only doing 54K. Because I am not using sword singers and my gear is still purple. My nirnhorned clever alchemist greatsword is gold though. I do have over 3K weapon damage. Oh it might just be because I am not 600 cp yet.



I did not trap the target dummy or put all the fighers guild skills on my bar to max WD. I had a realistic bars on, ones that allow me to go a bunch of things. Ambush, supprise attack, etc. Basically the reason I am using strenght of the automaton is because it allows me to do these other things as well... then press the delete button.

I just ran through my magelight, potion, cloak, onslaught. "rotation". Perhaps I missed, I might go practice on the PTS where I have the sweet buff timers.

I have excuted the kill in PVP but I don't have any addons running to know the damage. I would think it would slow my already severly laggy PVP experience down. That is the reason I am useing something so "unfair", my lag is too high to play fair.

Autolycus wrote: »

Ahzek wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

I use it, but i am a pvp gankblade. The issue with proc sets is they have to proc. Sometimes i'll one shot someone some times it wont fire and i'll die. I hate that rng.

So i am playing onslaught and trying to one shot people. Typically that build uses sword singers as that does more damage but i also want to snipe.

My onslaught hits for 54k (27k vs players) and my focused aim for about 39k (18k).

Your onslaught is weak. For ganking stack health to 80k and use a nirnhoned sword. You'll hit npcs for over 100k in stealth and 50k+ to players.

Id like to see a video if someone hitting 50k onslaught in pvp. To put it bluntly, you are almost certainly lying.

You obviously don't know all ultimate scale off max stat Inc health. Most people easily hit for 50k+ in stealth to npcs just from using a regular build. Given it ignore all armor ratings the damage it does in pvp it's exactly half of what it does in PvE. Using 80k health with plague doctor and something like fasilla it's stupidly easy to hit that figure using 7 heavy and all healthy jewelry. Still has over 3k weapon damage and nirnhoned in this case is superior to sharpened. Sharp us useless for this skill.

I assure you, you can gank a lot harder than 50k. Assuming you don't know NBs hit for near 4x as much when sneaking and using physical attacks either.

Pics or it didnt happen.

A 50k+ PvP hit would be entirely possible, albeit mostly under artificial circumstances. To achieve this "just" do the following:
Go the setup i mentioned in a post above.
Be a khajit/bosmer. (10%sneak dmg)
Get a buddy for spellpower cure and powerful assault. (A bunch of wep dmg)
Get continuous attack. (% wep dmg)
Let your ally blow an aggressive horn. (Major force =15% crit dmg. max stats)
Synergize a storm atro. (Major brutality =25% dmg)
Have a pet DK for minor brutality. (% wep dmg)
Have your buddies apply minor vulnerability to the target. (8% increased mdg taken)
Get stalwart guard from a buddy (8% crit dmg)
Buff up, including empower from magelight.
Hit a no impen, no CP target.

For added 10% damage you can also have your buddy set the target off balance. (Exploiter passive from CP)

And if you want to go even further use bash to kill another (casting) dummy first, for the dmg bonus from the opportunist (you need the kill to reenter sneak quickly).
Maybe we can even get a 100k hit from all those % modifiers.

And on top of that, next patch we can get a 100% dmg buff from vanguards challenge, but sthealth bonus dmg is RIP, and 100% dmg from power sigils in BGs (albeit without CP there).

I might actually be tempted to get a few friends to do this now . . .

So you're a ganker that has an entire raid tagging along to buff you? Also I still don't see any evidence of your actual numbers.

Note the bolded portion.

Exactly, note the bolded portion. This was just a fun thought exercise, if you read my previous post, you might find out what i actually think about the matter.

Ahzek wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

Narvuntien wrote: »

I use it, but i am a pvp gankblade. The issue with proc sets is they have to proc. Sometimes i'll one shot someone some times it wont fire and i'll die. I hate that rng.

So i am playing onslaught and trying to one shot people. Typically that build uses sword singers as that does more damage but i also want to snipe.

My onslaught hits for 54k (27k vs players) and my focused aim for about 39k (18k).

Your onslaught is weak. For ganking stack health to 80k and use a nirnhoned sword. You'll hit npcs for over 100k in stealth and 50k+ to players.

Id like to see a video if someone hitting 50k onslaught in pvp. To put it bluntly, you are almost certainly lying.

You obviously don't know all ultimate scale off max stat Inc health. Most people easily hit for 50k+ in stealth to npcs just from using a regular build. Given it ignore all armor ratings the damage it does in pvp it's exactly half of what it does in PvE. Using 80k health with plague doctor and something like fasilla it's stupidly easy to hit that figure using 7 heavy and all healthy jewelry. Still has over 3k weapon damage and nirnhoned in this case is superior to sharpened. Sharp us useless for this skill.

I assure you, you can gank a lot harder than 50k. Assuming you don't know NBs hit for near 4x as much when sneaking and using physical attacks either.

Pics or it didnt happen.

A 50k+ PvP hit would be entirely possible, albeit mostly under artificial circumstances. To achieve this "just" do the following:
Go the setup i mentioned in a post above.
Be a khajit/bosmer. (10%sneak dmg)
Get a buddy for spellpower cure and powerful assault. (A bunch of wep dmg)
Get continuous attack. (% wep dmg)
Let your ally blow an aggressive horn. (Major force =15% crit dmg. max stats)
Synergize a storm atro. (Major brutality =25% dmg)
Have a pet DK for minor brutality. (% wep dmg)
Have your buddies apply minor vulnerability to the target. (8% increased mdg taken)
Get stalwart guard from a buddy (8% crit dmg)
Buff up, including empower from magelight.
Hit a no impen, no CP target.

For added 10% damage you can also have your buddy set the target off balance. (Exploiter passive from CP)

And if you want to go even further use bash to kill another (casting) dummy first, for the dmg bonus from the opportunist (you need the kill to reenter sneak quickly).
Maybe we can even get a 100k hit from all those % modifiers.

And on top of that, next patch we can get a 100% dmg buff from vanguards challenge, but sthealth bonus dmg is RIP, and 100% dmg from power sigils in BGs (albeit without CP there).

I might actually be tempted to get a few friends to do this now . . .

Lol

I, for one, welcome our new alien overlords random and pointless thread necromancy.