Sinthrax wrote: »

It would be cheaper to just do what WoW does. Pay $60 and get a max character. Doing it the way most a talking about would cost 10 times that much.

I have an idea though. This is a game. How about you play it. Also, it already caters to your time. You can log on anytime you want. Guess what...you will earn CP too. You act as if just because someone can log on 2 hours a week they should get the same benefit as someone who played 20.

One thing I have learned is people wont stop until they totally screw things up. Next week this same topic will be on a new thread at the top.

The way things are going, next week, this same thread will still be on the first page.
And then it'll probably be upto 30 pages of absolute nothing.

This is like arguing that steroids should be allowed in sports because you feel you'd be a more competitive athlete with them.
No. Just, no.
Do it like everyone else has (millions of players). Work for it and EARN your rank.

Sjizzle wrote: »

PLAY THE GAME and u will be 720

Knowledge wrote: »

If we can instantly research traits or severely lower the time it takes to research them what is the difference in allowing CP to be bought or enlightenment to be purchased?

It's as if crafters get special treatment.

u can buy XP Scrolls +50%, ESO + 10%, Traits, potion 50% if u use all of them u have 100% XP boost u have what u wish buying CP from crown is P2W we don't need that here !!!!! what is that hard to understand !

Then take away instant trait research.

Knowledge wrote: »

Sjizzle wrote: »

PLAY THE GAME and u will be 720

Knowledge wrote: »

If we can instantly research traits or severely lower the time it takes to research them what is the difference in allowing CP to be bought or enlightenment to be purchased?

It's as if crafters get special treatment.

u can buy XP Scrolls +50%, ESO + 10%, Traits, potion 50% if u use all of them u have 100% XP boost u have what u wish buying CP from crown is P2W we don't need that here !!!!! what is that hard to understand !

Then take away instant trait research.

Ok. Agree here. I started trait research at launch. Took 1 year and 1 month to hit 9 traits. And I started BEFORE there were 9 traits.....But traits only as advantages to craft gear. I have 100 guildies that can do that for me and IT DOES'NT improve playability!! It is a "Time Saver" that those of us who did it "Old School" can laugh at! "Damn Kids that want it all NOW"...Lmao!!
But the discussion is Champ points.
Again I say NO!
Champ Point Max Is Not A Big Deal!!!! Skill, number of skill points and knowledge of mechanics is what is important!!
Examples:
Bastion~ 35 CP in this, your next point to 36, 0.45% increase...
Weapon Expert~ 35 points, next point to 36, 0.45% increase...
Tumbling~ 25 points, next point to 26, 0.37% increase....

Yes, CP is not as important as you say it is. I would rather run a delv with a 100cp player with 330 skill points than a 720 cp player with 90 skill points as they have NO IDEA how to play! They just "WoW'ed" it to max and they suck.

Stop with this "I want it now" mentality and earn and learn it.
Is 0.37% increase in a Passive REALLY that important??
My two Drakes!!
Huzzah!

Sjizzle wrote: »

@Knowledge
now i know what is your problem... the casual thing is only a cover not the true reason of cp catch up mechanics.... i saw in some threads that u are really interested on crow crate and crow store, more then to play the game! like on your thread about crown store skins !
your problem is that u can not use your valet to buy CP points not that u can not catch up.... that's your problem not that u are casual player... a casual player doesn't give a ********* on the crow crates or crown store !

Well, hold up a minute there. I'm about as casual as it gets and I quite like the Crown Store, crates not so much. In fact, I'd wonder if casuals might not be more inclined to dabble for costumes, pets, personalities etc. Or did I misunderstand you?

Knowledge wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

If we can instantly research traits or severely lower the time it takes to research them what is the difference in allowing CP to be bought or enlightenment to be purchased?

It's as if crafters get special treatment.

In case anyone needed further proof that this guy is just trolling

Trait research is passive, for one, and requires no playing of the game. Secondly, it doesn't provide a tangible benefit to a player to know al nine traits.

If you can't see the difference, there's something distinctly wrong with your logic

You can make gold by crafting things for other players. How does it not provide tangible benefits?

I am not trolling I am trying to discuss helpful ideas to a growing problem.

How much gold does it take to clear vMoL (excluding paid carries?)

How much gold for DLC dungeon HM's?

1. Yes, total XP cost goes up with each cap increase. Total cost from 0-cap. That's how increases work.
2. At the same time, the cost for earning CP's when below cap gets decreased, making it easier to make up the difference. If you're below cap a 5% increase in total XP (less than the amount you have to earn unless you're truly just level 50) is offset by the 5% faster earnings rate because of the discounted next-CP cost. Below cap, you're progressing towards cap at the same rate - regardless of what cap is.
3. You have yet to answer the question of how many in game hours is reasonable to obtain an end-game character. You keep spouting and quoting IRL timeframes and the calendar duration associated. That is not a reasonable comparison - in game hours are. One in game hour for me equals exactly one in game hour for anyone else.
   
   Your examples go like this: "I can only play 10 minutes a day and 15 minutes on the weekend. Thus, it will take me 10 years to reach CP cap. 10 years is so unreasonable..."
   
   How many in game hours is reasonable for a capped character? Don't give another "I have to work" example until you have answered this question!
4. The only reason this is a "growing problem" is because you've made it your personal mission to make it one. If you play the game, you'll hit the cap. It may take you a reasonable amount of in-game hours to do so, but you'll still do so.
5. The other detail you continuously fail to include is the fact that you do not have to repeat this for alts. It's not like you have to grind every alt to VR16 anymore. You make an alt (50 hours is you're autopilot slow-questing your way to greatness) and the moment that alt rolls over L50, they're at the same CP level all of your characters are.
6. Not being at Cap does not prevent you from doing the majority of game content.
7. Coming in brand-damn-new, you shouldn't expect to be able to do the small percentage of harder content without putting in some time first. You can't do Vet Scalecaller on a level 10 - this is effectively no damn different. Do the content you can until you've leveled and learned, then feel free to do the remaining content on any character you ever get to L50, from that moment on. up to 14 more times.

Quit picking and choosing only the details that fit your false agenda.

EDIT: Here's a flip-side perspective for you. If the CP gain really was this much of an issue, again, for those that get discounted CP earnings rate, then why are there so many people above cap and continuing to gain CP's past cap when their cost is substantially higher to each and every additional CP? Wouldn't it be nigh impossible for the average player to ever get ahead of the cap? Or, do these people simply play the damn game?

DieAlteHexe wrote: »

I'm sure there are many like you, didn't say there weren't. You were the one who made a sweeping generalisation that I felt needed to be countered. So, I did.

np my mistake there sorry for that

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

If we can instantly research traits or severely lower the time it takes to research them what is the difference in allowing CP to be bought or enlightenment to be purchased?

It's as if crafters get special treatment.

In case anyone needed further proof that this guy is just trolling

Trait research is passive, for one, and requires no playing of the game. Secondly, it doesn't provide a tangible benefit to a player to know al nine traits.

If you can't see the difference, there's something distinctly wrong with your logic

You can make gold by crafting things for other players. How does it not provide tangible benefits?

I am not trolling I am trying to discuss helpful ideas to a growing problem.

How much gold does it take to clear vMoL (excluding paid carries?)

How much gold for DLC dungeon HM's?

1. Yes, total XP cost goes up with each cap increase. Total cost from 0-cap. That's how increases work.
2. At the same time, the cost for earning CP's when below cap gets decreased, making it easier to make up the difference. If you're below cap a 5% increase in total XP (less than the amount you have to earn unless you're truly just level 50) is offset by the 5% faster earnings rate because of the discounted next-CP cost. Below cap, you're progressing towards cap at the same rate - regardless of what cap is.
3. You have yet to answer the question of how many in game hours is reasonable to obtain an end-game character. You keep spouting and quoting IRL timeframes and the calendar duration associated. That is not a reasonable comparison - in game hours are. One in game hour for me equals exactly one in game hour for anyone else.
   
   Your examples go like this: "I can only play 10 minutes a day and 15 minutes on the weekend. Thus, it will take me 10 years to reach CP cap. 10 years is so unreasonable..."
   
   How many in game hours is reasonable for a capped character? Don't give another "I have to work" example until you have answered this question!
4. The only reason this is a "growing problem" is because you've made it your personal mission to make it one. If you play the game, you'll hit the cap. It may take you a reasonable amount of in-game hours to do so, but you'll still do so.
5. The other detail you continuously fail to include is the fact that you do not have to repeat this for alts. It's not like you have to grind every alt to VR16 anymore. You make an alt (50 hours is you're autopilot slow-questing your way to greatness) and the moment that alt rolls over L50, they're at the same CP level all of your characters are.
6. Not being at Cap does not prevent you from doing the majority of game content.
7. Coming in brand-damn-new, you shouldn't expect to be able to do the small percentage of harder content without putting in some time first. You can't do Vet Scalecaller on a level 10 - this is effectively no damn different. Do the content you can until you've leveled and learned, then feel free to do the remaining content on any character you ever get to L50, from that moment on. up to 14 more times.

Quit picking and choosing only the details that fit your false agenda.

EDIT: Here's a flip-side perspective for you. If the CP gain really was this much of an issue, again, for those that get discounted CP earnings rate, then why are there so many people above cap and continuing to gain CP's past cap when their cost is substantially higher to each and every additional CP? Wouldn't it be nigh impossible for the average player to ever get ahead of the cap? Or, do these people simply play the damn game?

I’d Say about 100 hour play till cap
Would be reasonable.

crjs1 wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

If we can instantly research traits or severely lower the time it takes to research them what is the difference in allowing CP to be bought or enlightenment to be purchased?

It's as if crafters get special treatment.

In case anyone needed further proof that this guy is just trolling

Trait research is passive, for one, and requires no playing of the game. Secondly, it doesn't provide a tangible benefit to a player to know al nine traits.

If you can't see the difference, there's something distinctly wrong with your logic

You can make gold by crafting things for other players. How does it not provide tangible benefits?

I am not trolling I am trying to discuss helpful ideas to a growing problem.

How much gold does it take to clear vMoL (excluding paid carries?)

How much gold for DLC dungeon HM's?

1. Yes, total XP cost goes up with each cap increase. Total cost from 0-cap. That's how increases work.
2. At the same time, the cost for earning CP's when below cap gets decreased, making it easier to make up the difference. If you're below cap a 5% increase in total XP (less than the amount you have to earn unless you're truly just level 50) is offset by the 5% faster earnings rate because of the discounted next-CP cost. Below cap, you're progressing towards cap at the same rate - regardless of what cap is.
3. You have yet to answer the question of how many in game hours is reasonable to obtain an end-game character. You keep spouting and quoting IRL timeframes and the calendar duration associated. That is not a reasonable comparison - in game hours are. One in game hour for me equals exactly one in game hour for anyone else.
   
   Your examples go like this: "I can only play 10 minutes a day and 15 minutes on the weekend. Thus, it will take me 10 years to reach CP cap. 10 years is so unreasonable..."
   
   How many in game hours is reasonable for a capped character? Don't give another "I have to work" example until you have answered this question!
4. The only reason this is a "growing problem" is because you've made it your personal mission to make it one. If you play the game, you'll hit the cap. It may take you a reasonable amount of in-game hours to do so, but you'll still do so.
5. The other detail you continuously fail to include is the fact that you do not have to repeat this for alts. It's not like you have to grind every alt to VR16 anymore. You make an alt (50 hours is you're autopilot slow-questing your way to greatness) and the moment that alt rolls over L50, they're at the same CP level all of your characters are.
6. Not being at Cap does not prevent you from doing the majority of game content.
7. Coming in brand-damn-new, you shouldn't expect to be able to do the small percentage of harder content without putting in some time first. You can't do Vet Scalecaller on a level 10 - this is effectively no damn different. Do the content you can until you've leveled and learned, then feel free to do the remaining content on any character you ever get to L50, from that moment on. up to 14 more times.

Quit picking and choosing only the details that fit your false agenda.

EDIT: Here's a flip-side perspective for you. If the CP gain really was this much of an issue, again, for those that get discounted CP earnings rate, then why are there so many people above cap and continuing to gain CP's past cap when their cost is substantially higher to each and every additional CP? Wouldn't it be nigh impossible for the average player to ever get ahead of the cap? Or, do these people simply play the damn game?

I’d Say about 100 hour play till cap
Would be reasonable.

And here I was afraid you'd be asking for it to be handed to you...

Ten to Fourteen CP an hour...you think you should be able to earn 14 CP an hour (720 CP's starting from L50)?

Because the average individual, especially those self proclaimed as casual are going to take 25-50 hours just to hit L50, leaving 50-75 for CP's.

Do you honestly, truthfully expect the typical individual to be end-game ready with their class in 100 hours of playtime?

Pretty sure most here have spent more than that wiping to end game content, let alone getting to end game content.

crjs1 wrote: »

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

If we can instantly research traits or severely lower the time it takes to research them what is the difference in allowing CP to be bought or enlightenment to be purchased?

It's as if crafters get special treatment.

In case anyone needed further proof that this guy is just trolling

Trait research is passive, for one, and requires no playing of the game. Secondly, it doesn't provide a tangible benefit to a player to know al nine traits.

If you can't see the difference, there's something distinctly wrong with your logic

You can make gold by crafting things for other players. How does it not provide tangible benefits?

I am not trolling I am trying to discuss helpful ideas to a growing problem.

How much gold does it take to clear vMoL (excluding paid carries?)

How much gold for DLC dungeon HM's?

1. Yes, total XP cost goes up with each cap increase. Total cost from 0-cap. That's how increases work.
2. At the same time, the cost for earning CP's when below cap gets decreased, making it easier to make up the difference. If you're below cap a 5% increase in total XP (less than the amount you have to earn unless you're truly just level 50) is offset by the 5% faster earnings rate because of the discounted next-CP cost. Below cap, you're progressing towards cap at the same rate - regardless of what cap is.
3. You have yet to answer the question of how many in game hours is reasonable to obtain an end-game character. You keep spouting and quoting IRL timeframes and the calendar duration associated. That is not a reasonable comparison - in game hours are. One in game hour for me equals exactly one in game hour for anyone else.
   
   Your examples go like this: "I can only play 10 minutes a day and 15 minutes on the weekend. Thus, it will take me 10 years to reach CP cap. 10 years is so unreasonable..."
   
   How many in game hours is reasonable for a capped character? Don't give another "I have to work" example until you have answered this question!
4. The only reason this is a "growing problem" is because you've made it your personal mission to make it one. If you play the game, you'll hit the cap. It may take you a reasonable amount of in-game hours to do so, but you'll still do so.
5. The other detail you continuously fail to include is the fact that you do not have to repeat this for alts. It's not like you have to grind every alt to VR16 anymore. You make an alt (50 hours is you're autopilot slow-questing your way to greatness) and the moment that alt rolls over L50, they're at the same CP level all of your characters are.
6. Not being at Cap does not prevent you from doing the majority of game content.
7. Coming in brand-damn-new, you shouldn't expect to be able to do the small percentage of harder content without putting in some time first. You can't do Vet Scalecaller on a level 10 - this is effectively no damn different. Do the content you can until you've leveled and learned, then feel free to do the remaining content on any character you ever get to L50, from that moment on. up to 14 more times.

Quit picking and choosing only the details that fit your false agenda.

EDIT: Here's a flip-side perspective for you. If the CP gain really was this much of an issue, again, for those that get discounted CP earnings rate, then why are there so many people above cap and continuing to gain CP's past cap when their cost is substantially higher to each and every additional CP? Wouldn't it be nigh impossible for the average player to ever get ahead of the cap? Or, do these people simply play the damn game?

I’d Say about 100 hour play till cap
Would be reasonable.

I agree. Currently it's around 250+ hours.

No.


And not only should there not be a paid CP catch-up mechanic, there should be no CP, period. The entire CP system (and VR before it) was garbage that only hurt the game. Just poll CP160 players, and ask how often they've been kicked out of dungeon groups and trials. That's what CP system does. And lately it's been causing some lateral power creep in PvP, because of how heavily front-loaded CP is now. It needs to be gone. And soon. The longer they keep it, the worse it'll be, and the more content they will have to rebalance yet again.

starkerealm wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Gold buys clears.

Okay, I'll bite, how are you getting this hypothetical gold to buy these clears without putting time into the game?

Buying instant trait research on the crown store.

Mertica wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Mertica wrote: »

The THIRD thread of his that I have stumbled on so far that is like the others.

You claim you're not a troll, but then you keep making these obviously unnecessarily controversial threads. That just shows that the first one (I saw, at least) was not a one-off.

No. Just stop.

What you and I deem necessary and unnecessary will always differ. That doesn't mean one of us knows better than the other we have differing opinions and ideas. It's best to learn to coexist with others and be more tolerant of their ideas and life choices.

I find this topic relevant and necessary.

What are you talking about? Your only intentions are to create large threads because you know people will obviously argue the opposite of you state. Nothing about "tolerance" or "coexist."

I am a very tolerant individual and I respect all forms of life choices. In addition, my intentions are to discuss things I believe should or could be changed for the better within Elder Scrolls Online on this open community forum.

Knowledge wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Knowledge wrote: »

Gold buys clears.

Okay, I'll bite, how are you getting this hypothetical gold to buy these clears without putting time into the game?

Buying instant trait research on the crown store.

Really. And how, exactly, do you make money with that?