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Zaan is ridiculous (Console PVP player POV)
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Abysswarrior45✭✭✭✭Abysswarrior45 wrote: »Here's an idea, take out all skills and armour in cry-odiil. So everyones naked and can only light and heavy attack with fists.... Then it'll be even
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Zaan is so easy to break, to be hit 8 times you'd have to be standing still
To understand my point you'd have to be able to read too. But you seem unable...
GL with your quest for nerfing though
GL with pretending theres any skill involved in a game full of rng and free damage. *** like that shouldn't exist. Everyone being naked and punching each other is more balanced than the current state of the game2 -
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✭✭✭Abysswarrior45 wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »Abysswarrior45 wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »I've seen Zaan all of 4 times in PvP and NEVER have I died to it. I break the tether instantly with cloak and don't have to worry about it for another 18 seconds. It's completely L2P and those that don't learn, die to it. It's not like classes don't have some counter to it one way or another.
Templars Javelin the person away, Purge it or heal thru it, DK can just root/fossilize and get away, Sorcs streak away or shield up, NB can cloak it off or fear to get away, Warden technically can purge it with Blue Betty (it's sort of up to RNGesus at that point) and if that doesn't work, heal thru it.
Show me a GOOD player(s) that are constantly being destroyed by Zaan and maybe I'll concede it needs adjustments but I personally don't see Zaan as a problem so much as I see free AP from bad players being bad (Or lag issues but that's a ZOS server problem more often than not).
medium stam dk does what? sorry, but they don't use roots or fossilize and they can roll away out of range if the opponent can walk forward.
If that DK isn't using any CC, they deserve to die. I've seen StamDKs use Stonefist for the knockdown + Helping Hands passive so it's not like they're totally helpless. Then there's also Dizzy Swing (albeit less reliable a CC) that can still create some distance to break Zaan, if it connects.
Yes theres dizzy swing which any good dk will be using. You play console though? Its not hard to pop immovable pot when zaan procs. Or its against an L2 build and dizzy swing becomes useless. Zaan should be interruptible.
It's equally not hard to pop an invisibility pot and break Zaan either. Yes, I play on PS4, I have Zaan and tried it out but found it lackluster in all regards that I just went back to Skoria and Grothdarr because the CD on Zaan kills its usefulness. I can get Skoria and Grothdarr more often to apply more pressure in all situations whereas Zaan has only ever useful if I was in a Zerg vs Zerg as in 1v1, the person just got out of range or stealthed up to break Zaan. Admittedly, I haven't tried Zaan in BG yet so maybe it's more problematic there, IDK but personally, I've found Zaan to be lackluster and hardly deserving of a nerf. It's just a set that's there, periodically getting a kill for someone (like all proc sets do) and being a nuisance.Argonian forever0 -
sly007✭✭✭✭Olupajmibanan wrote: »Aside from breaking the beam by LoSing, moving out of range (this can be harder to do than say, I agree) or even streaking out (this is available only to sorcs), Zaan can be purged, and purge is available to everyone.
Proc Zaan just to get instantly purged, thus completely negated, and put on 18 seconds cooldown. What a super overpowered set!!!!
Yep, purge when you have multiple negative effects on you. Snare, dot, fracture, poisons, you name it. You cannot pick and choose the TWO negative effects to purge. Purge is not a reliable counter to as an and I don't think it ever will.
Cloak and bolt escape work on demand to counter zaan. Purify if you have less than 5 negative effects, purge is you have less than 2 negatives, and sprint and or roll dodge if your target does not follow you.
The damage on zaan is high because of the cooldown and proc condition. That is understandable. But let's not pretend it easy to counter for players that do not have bolt escape, cloak, or purify slotted.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It’s completely out of control. One would assume ZOS vision for pvp is a bunch of 40k health tanks tagging each other with proc sets to see who can out proc the other person first. Examples of well balanced and acceptable monster sets include bloodspawn, engine guardian, slime craw, velidreth, grothdaar. Skoria is a little op but not too bad. Zaan and Earthgore are way OP and it’s not like we didn’t tell them prior to release.0 -
Arkangeloski✭✭✭✭rustic_potato wrote: »It is a set designed against 1vXers.. Play with friends or kill the user before they kill you. Stop whining because ZOS wants the game to be easier and be more casual friendly. I don't see anything wrong with it. It is only players who think that there is something of a hidden reward for their skill who have a problem with it.
With the removal of AOE caps small group PVP is now better than ever. I really wish the 1vXers would disappear from the game and stop making everything not fun.
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✭✭✭✭✭Give it time.
It took me a bit to find how to best use Zaan and I have.
For example: Zaan has a 10m range right? So people's first thought is to go get close and engage at that range. I've found this leads to either Zaan counter, your opponent healing through, or getting jumped by his buds.
As a sorc I just sit back at range and kite until (usually) a NB comes in. Surprise Attack is usually what brings them in, Zaan procs, they may or may not counter it with cloak but that's fine, it's already done it job.
It has forced a very offensive build to become defensive - I now have a huge advantage against an opponent at a disadvantage and alone. And as a sorc I have some of the best natural counters to cloak (i.e boundless, curse and/or streak)
I'm fairly confident in winning in such a situation.
And if a player doesn't disengage it's just GG if I can focus them. Curse + Caluurion Proc + Wrath + Zaan kills just about anything (esp no CP)
Oh and yeah it goes right through LoSEdited by Waffennacht on March 11, 2018 12:04AM1 -
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✭2 weeks and i have seen only 1 person using it in battlegrounds and he didnt do very well .
I tried it myself combined with Elf.Bane but my honest opinion is that this set SUCK HARD for PvP and Bgs . It is only good for dueling and Target skeleton cheese . Skoria , Grothar and Selene are times better.1 -
Arkangeloski✭✭✭✭Silver_Strider wrote: »I've seen Zaan all of 4 times in PvP and NEVER have I died to it. I break the tether instantly with cloak and don't have to worry about it for another 18 seconds. It's completely L2P and those that don't learn, die to it. It's not like classes don't have some counter to it one way or another.
Templars Javelin the person away, Purge it or heal thru it, DK can just root/fossilize and get away, Sorcs streak away or shield up, NB can cloak it off or fear to get away, Warden technically can purge it with Blue Betty (it's sort of up to RNGesus at that point) and if that doesn't work, heal thru it.
Show me a GOOD player(s) that are constantly being destroyed by Zaan and maybe I'll concede it needs adjustments but I personally don't see Zaan as a problem so much as I see free AP from bad players being bad (Or lag issues but that's a ZOS server problem more often than not).
Assuming everybody was a nb then yes it can be countered by cloak, but not all player base is a nb.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Arkangeloski wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »I've seen Zaan all of 4 times in PvP and NEVER have I died to it. I break the tether instantly with cloak and don't have to worry about it for another 18 seconds. It's completely L2P and those that don't learn, die to it. It's not like classes don't have some counter to it one way or another.
Templars Javelin the person away, Purge it or heal thru it, DK can just root/fossilize and get away, Sorcs streak away or shield up, NB can cloak it off or fear to get away, Warden technically can purge it with Blue Betty (it's sort of up to RNGesus at that point) and if that doesn't work, heal thru it.
Show me a GOOD player(s) that are constantly being destroyed by Zaan and maybe I'll concede it needs adjustments but I personally don't see Zaan as a problem so much as I see free AP from bad players being bad (Or lag issues but that's a ZOS server problem more often than not).
Assuming everybody was a nb then yes it can be countered by cloak, but not all player base is a nb.
I for the most part strictly PvP with a MagDK vampire (stage 4). And I can say that I have never encountered any problems in dealing with Zaan. Be it in: Battlegrounds, Cyrodiil, or duels. Cyrodiil especially, as there is just so much room to maneuver.
To get focused by Zaan, is to be a potato. People out here saying how they’re encountered Zaan and Elf Born players? Yeah? Really? People going to really sacrifice that much, for a high-cool and easily countered 2pcs.?0 -
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✭✭rustic_potato wrote: »It is a set designed against 1vXers.. Play with friends or kill the user before they kill you. Stop whining because ZOS wants the game to be easier and be more casual friendly. I don't see anything wrong with it. It is only players who think that there is something of a hidden reward for their skill who have a problem with it.
With the removal of AOE caps small group PVP is now better than ever. I really wish the 1vXers would disappear from the game and stop making everything not fun.
^ this is whats wrong with the game. Players like you who dont understand that outnumbering someone ALWAYS gave you the advantage, and always will, are whats wrong with the game. Outnumbering someone was strong 3 years ago, 2 years ago, 1 year ago, and is strong right now. The difference is when zos adds things to the game that make it much much worse for the little guy. Solo/small group players are never going away. Some of us actually like a challenge and dont want to play with a bunch of healers holding our hands.
Nerfing cost reduction hurt solo players more, nerfing immovs, all the proc sets with one tamriel, and now Zaan. Some of those things werent as bad as others, and some you can overcome simply by playing smart. However, when you put a set in the game that hits so hard and the only counter (for some of us) is to get away, thats just too OP. But regardless this is just my opinion. Play how you like. But no set should give someone such a huge crutch like zaan does.0 -
Dredlord✭✭✭✭✭Abysswarrior45 wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »I don't see the problem. If Zaan is too strong now there will be builds countering it. More will run those builds and Zaan will become mediocre after some time.
They could increase the duration but keep the damage for a "quick" fix but I don't know if that's a solution.
You mean increase the duration and lower the damage per tick so it still puts out the same dps but you can actually heal through it? Thats not a bad suggestion. Or am I misunderstanding what you said?
You dont even understand what you said...0 -
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✭✭Abysswarrior45 wrote: »
2 are without cp in the red tree, BUT with an actual build and the 30k one is with an actual build and cp in the red tree. No monster set should do that
Maybe stop bathing in the beam?
Stun and/or root the enemy + dodge roll behind him + sprint for a couple of meters more and youre out of its range. Bonus points if you chug a speed potion.
Edited by Ankael07 on March 11, 2018 2:14AMIf you want me to reply to your comment type @Ankael07 in it.1 -
Silver_Strider✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Arkangeloski wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »I've seen Zaan all of 4 times in PvP and NEVER have I died to it. I break the tether instantly with cloak and don't have to worry about it for another 18 seconds. It's completely L2P and those that don't learn, die to it. It's not like classes don't have some counter to it one way or another.
Templars Javelin the person away, Purge it or heal thru it, DK can just root/fossilize and get away, Sorcs streak away or shield up, NB can cloak it off or fear to get away, Warden technically can purge it with Blue Betty (it's sort of up to RNGesus at that point) and if that doesn't work, heal thru it.
Show me a GOOD player(s) that are constantly being destroyed by Zaan and maybe I'll concede it needs adjustments but I personally don't see Zaan as a problem so much as I see free AP from bad players being bad (Or lag issues but that's a ZOS server problem more often than not).
Assuming everybody was a nb then yes it can be countered by cloak, but not all player base is a nb.
I listed several different methods for each class.
L2Read before commenting.Argonian forever1 -
Abysswarrior45✭✭✭✭Abysswarrior45 wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »I don't see the problem. If Zaan is too strong now there will be builds countering it. More will run those builds and Zaan will become mediocre after some time.
They could increase the duration but keep the damage for a "quick" fix but I don't know if that's a solution.
You mean increase the duration and lower the damage per tick so it still puts out the same dps but you can actually heal through it? Thats not a bad suggestion. Or am I misunderstanding what you said?
You dont even understand what you said...
Yes I do. Increase the duration so it ticks longer and lower the damage per tick. Same overall damage but less burst.Abysswarrior45 wrote: »
2 are without cp in the red tree, BUT with an actual build and the 30k one is with an actual build and cp in the red tree. No monster set should do that
Maybe stop bathing in the beam?
Stun and/or root the enemy + dodge roll behind him + sprint for a couple of meters more and youre out of its range. Bonus points if you chug a speed potion.
The opponent knew how to walk forward and root/stun too. Bonus points, a speed immovable was used...0 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭My Zaan Proc build - and I should actually performed better, a death was really avoidable and probably could have got more kills.
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Zildjian2112✭✭✭Everyones a master pvp'er behind a keyboard instead of a controller. "just a simple this and a simple that". Theres a counter to all the counters. Detect pots, gap closers, following the person. Got cheesed tonight with Zaan+Soul harvest. Died instantly. Stupidest set. Wait till everyone starts getting zerged down by it. Then there won't be so many keyboard warriors haha. Just takes one Zaan in a group to end all chances of an x. It truly is the end to Xing.1
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✭✭✭As I see it, Zaan is OP both for pve and pvp. I love the design though. Really nice helmet.0 -
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✭Seraphayel wrote: »I don't see the problem. If Zaan is too strong now there will be builds countering it. More will run those builds and Zaan will become mediocre after some time.
They could increase the duration but keep the damage for a "quick" fix but I don't know if that's a solution.
LOL creating an entire build just to counter the meta that is some asinine bs that ive ever heard. No wonder this game has no balance.
It's called Anti-META. It's actually a healthy aspect in competitive PvP games. As long as a Anti-META exist for the META, the game can maintain its competitive PvP claims. (Looks at all of the top notch PvP eSports titles.) It's up to you as a player to counter META with Anti-META. It's actually why out of all of the Fantasy MMORPGs with PvP. ESO is my absolute favorite, when It's working for me of course.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »Seraphayel wrote: »I don't see the problem. If Zaan is too strong now there will be builds countering it. More will run those builds and Zaan will become mediocre after some time.
They could increase the duration but keep the damage for a "quick" fix but I don't know if that's a solution.
LOL creating an entire build just to counter the meta that is some asinine bs that ive ever heard. No wonder this game has no balance.
It's called Anti-META. It's actually a healthy aspect in competitive PvP games. As long as a Anti-META exist for the META, the game can maintain its competitive PvP claims. (Looks at all of the top notch PvP eSports titles.) It's up to you as a player to counter META with Anti-META. It's actually why out of all of the Fantasy MMORPGs with PvP. ESO is my absolute favorite, when It's working for me of course.
This is true... However, at the same time can become bad if what is originally “anti-meta” becomes the “meta”. This has happened in Overwatch quite a few times, and every time it happened — the game was thrown into chaos. In fact, this just recently happened with a defensive hero (Junkrat). And the game still isn’t quite the same after the screw-up that Blizzard did involving the Junkrat buffs.0 -
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✭✭✭TelvanniWizard wrote: »As I see it, Zaan is OP both for pve and pvp. I love the design though. Really nice helmet.
The design is what disappoints me the most, not even its so so performance. Yeah, I get its meant to be a uniquely modified helm like miraaks, or konarik or the solsthiem crew. But it looks so different on you vs when she wears it. Compare the undaunted trophy, there are no weird spikes out the front, and the spikes up top rap around like a crown, sort of like the emperor costume.MagDK main. PC/EU @AK-ESO
Best houseknight EU.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Girl_Number8 wrote: »Smh, throws salt, laughs, walks out....
@Girl_Number8 That is a trend that these forums have been following as if lately. It’s rather unfortunate indeed.0 -
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✭✭✭Girl_Number8 wrote: »Smh, throws salt, laughs, walks out....
@Girl_Number8 That is a trend that these forums have been following as if lately. It’s rather unfortunate indeed.
The trend I see is rather then worry about fixing the game itself, people keep asking for nerfs instead of asking to fix the game.
Yeapers, I mean I could understand some stuff but the new dlc has major glitches that need to be fixed.
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KramUzibra✭✭✭✭rustic_potato wrote: »It is a set designed against 1vXers.. Play with friends or kill the user before they kill you. Stop whining because ZOS wants the game to be easier and be more casual friendly. I don't see anything wrong with it. It is only players who think that there is something of a hidden reward for their skill who have a problem with it.
With the removal of AOE caps small group PVP is now better than ever. I really wish the 1vXers would disappear from the game and stop making everything not fun.
Im sure 1 v xing is fun for those who enjoy it. Maybe those who don't 1v x should all disappear and stop making the game not fun for 1v xers?1
