What Is Your Opinion on Defile?
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Lynx7386✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭In pvp, defile should have purge immunity, its too easy to get rid of in order to work effectively.
In one it needs some major buffs as it currently doesn't apply to most mob healing where it counts (mage execute for example), and otherwise has no effect.
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Bastet - Khajiit Templar - Healer
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Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It should be nerfed, because...In pvp, defile should have purge immunity, its too easy to get rid of in order to work effectively.
In one it needs some major buffs as it currently doesn't apply to most mob healing where it counts (mage execute for example), and otherwise has no effect.
I would be fine with it if that was the case. My main problem with it is that templar healers do their thing and laugh at defile anyways while my stamDK/stamden gets screwed because I accidentally bumped into a durok/fasalla bot and now permadefiled.Edited by Ragnarock41 on March 10, 2018 5:55PM0 -
Skander✭✭✭✭✭
✭Other. (Please explain.)Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »hurr durr defile is needed cus healbots overperform.
Why not nerf the damn heal bots then?
Becouse healbots have no damage, literally, they can't kill you.
And if you get killed by a healbot, he's probably not a healbot...or you f up big time
you don't even get the point do you?
''they can't kill people so its balanced.''
Okay, I can see that you clearly need me to explain this to you piece by piece, so I will do it.
Lets have a pvp raid, have a tanky Dk and call him zergbad, and give him a healer.
And now lets try to kill zergbad.
managed to get him to execute range? NOPE, BOL'd to max hp by an immortal templar healer.
Put some bleeds on him? NOPE, cleansed.
Put defiles on him? NOPE, cleansed.
Put dots on him? NOPE, cleansed.
Put major fracture on him? NOPE, cleansed.
dawnbreaker him? you guessed it, that is also CLEANSED.
Oh so how do we kill zergbad then?
Don't you worry, we have befoul+defile!!!
But wait, what do we do if the zergbad decides to use befoul+defile?
By having a healbot that uses cleanse!
IF you still haven't seen the problem in this example you just can't be helped.
Nonesence, the more people there are, if they know how to play, the more they are good at not dieing. It's a matter of IF the enemy are good, or the zergers are better. Simple
You can't be allowed to kill a good player becouse you have a overwhelming skill that make you do so.
Learn how to play tactically. And if you see a 20man raid organized. Get a 20 man raid organized to counter them or die. There are few choices.
If you are xv1d the devs already said that you shound't surviveI meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
-Elder Nightblades Online
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Taleof2Cities✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It is fine, because...Wreuntzylla wrote: »Not going to say it's fine, just going to say it's necessary.
Heal debuffs are typically a sign that game developers either can't or don't want to balance dps v. mitigation/heals/etc. I still see this as a more positive thing than the procset FPS meta. However, it's essentially just a procset debuff meta with only a tiny bit more of an associated skill level. The Durok's wearer has to survive for a bit before they can reap the benefit.
It's not just limited to Durok's Bane, though, @Wreuntzylla. You can get it through Cyrodiil's Crest and Fasalla's Guile, too. That's not including the litany of skills that have it: Corrupting Pollen, Dark Flare, DK Standard, and so on.
And poisons too.
A good healer can heal through it though ... stay close to your healer.
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Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It should be nerfed, because...Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »The health recovery thing is stupid.
It shouldn't affect health recovery!
too late for that. It killed orc troll king synergy for me, which was the whole reason I made my sDK orc, now rolled it back to redguard.
So horaaay, race diversity.
That being said I still find troll king to be worth using even against defile bots, if your race/class combo has health recovery bonuses.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »hurr durr defile is needed cus healbots overperform.
Why not nerf the damn heal bots then?
Becouse healbots have no damage, literally, they can't kill you.
And if you get killed by a healbot, he's probably not a healbot...or you f up big time
you don't even get the point do you?
''they can't kill people so its balanced.''
Okay, I can see that you clearly need me to explain this to you piece by piece, so I will do it.
Lets have a pvp raid, have a tanky Dk and call him zergbad, and give him a healer.
And now lets try to kill zergbad.
managed to get him to execute range? NOPE, BOL'd to max hp by an immortal templar healer.
Put some bleeds on him? NOPE, cleansed.
Put defiles on him? NOPE, cleansed.
Put dots on him? NOPE, cleansed.
Put major fracture on him? NOPE, cleansed.
dawnbreaker him? you guessed it, that is also CLEANSED.
Oh so how do we kill zergbad then?
Don't you worry, we have befoul+defile!!!
But wait, what do we do if the zergbad decides to use befoul+defile?
By having a healbot that uses cleanse!
IF you still haven't seen the problem in this example you just can't be helped.
Nonesence, the more people there are, if they know how to play, the more they are good at not dieing. It's a matter of IF the enemy are good, or the zergers are better. Simple
You can't be allowed to kill a good player becouse you have a overwhelming skill that make you do so.
Learn how to play tactically. And if you see a 20man raid organized. Get a 20 man raid organized to counter them or die. There are few choices.
If you are xv1d the devs already said that you shound't survive
It was a basic example as to why purge is stupid and why defile isn't working as intended because of it.
And you managed to not understand it, bravo.Edited by Ragnarock41 on March 10, 2018 6:11PM0 -
Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭It should be nerfed, because...It's definitely too strong. We aren't in a meta anymore there everybody had perma uptime on Major Vitality and some classes even on Major Mending on top of that. These buffs are extremely hard to get now while defile is pretty easy to get and Befoul is just too strong.
I don't get all the hate against "healbots" either. A "healbot" is more likely a magicka templar who actually plays a group build, it's their niche there magplar is strong at and that's totally fine (and to be honest, magplar isn't even in a good spot outside of that).Edited by Ragnaroek93 on March 10, 2018 6:17PMI used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.1 -
Skander✭✭✭✭✭
✭Other. (Please explain.)Ragnarock41 wrote: »Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »The health recovery thing is stupid.
It shouldn't affect health recovery!
too late for that. It killed orc troll king synergy for me, which was the whole reason I made my sDK orc, now rolled it back to redguard.
So horaaay, race diversity.
That being said I still find troll king to be worth using even against defile bots, if your race/class combo has health recovery bonuses.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »hurr durr defile is needed cus healbots overperform.
Why not nerf the damn heal bots then?
Becouse healbots have no damage, literally, they can't kill you.
And if you get killed by a healbot, he's probably not a healbot...or you f up big time
you don't even get the point do you?
''they can't kill people so its balanced.''
Okay, I can see that you clearly need me to explain this to you piece by piece, so I will do it.
Lets have a pvp raid, have a tanky Dk and call him zergbad, and give him a healer.
And now lets try to kill zergbad.
managed to get him to execute range? NOPE, BOL'd to max hp by an immortal templar healer.
Put some bleeds on him? NOPE, cleansed.
Put defiles on him? NOPE, cleansed.
Put dots on him? NOPE, cleansed.
Put major fracture on him? NOPE, cleansed.
dawnbreaker him? you guessed it, that is also CLEANSED.
Oh so how do we kill zergbad then?
Don't you worry, we have befoul+defile!!!
But wait, what do we do if the zergbad decides to use befoul+defile?
By having a healbot that uses cleanse!
IF you still haven't seen the problem in this example you just can't be helped.
Nonesence, the more people there are, if they know how to play, the more they are good at not dieing. It's a matter of IF the enemy are good, or the zergers are better. Simple
You can't be allowed to kill a good player becouse you have a overwhelming skill that make you do so.
Learn how to play tactically. And if you see a 20man raid organized. Get a 20 man raid organized to counter them or die. There are few choices.
If you are xv1d the devs already said that you shound't survive
It was a basic example as to why purge is stupid and why defile isn't working as intended because of it.
And you managed to not understand it, bravo.
Purge is stupid you say.
It's strong yes, you know how much it costs?
No?
Check it.
I meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
-Elder Nightblades Online
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Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It should be buffed, because...would be cool if it was more useful in pve...maybe you could change it to reduces ALL ressource recovery...yeah that be op...but could be fun0 -
Skander✭✭✭✭✭
✭Other. (Please explain.)Nemesis7884 wrote: »would be cool if it was more useful in pve...maybe you could change it to reduces ALL ressource recovery...yeah that be op...but could be fun
*** no boy. What world do you live in?I meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
-Elder Nightblades Online
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It is fine, because...It is fine as it is and helps lead to a balanced game in PvP. A player going heavy with defile is not different than the choices players make going glass cannon vs tank builds.
For PvE it is merely a minor benefit for specific fights. If the group has the DPS it is really not needed.
I thought OP stopped playing ESO?0 -
Skander✭✭✭✭✭
✭Other. (Please explain.)It is fine as it is and helps lead to a balanced game in PvP. A player going heavy with defile is not different than the choices players make going glass cannon vs tank builds.
For PvE it is merely a minor benefit for specific fights. If the group has the DPS it is really not needed.
I thought OP stopped playing ESO?
Do you know that some skills can apply defile right?I meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
-Elder Nightblades Online
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Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It should be nerfed, because...Ragnarock41 wrote: »Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »The health recovery thing is stupid.
It shouldn't affect health recovery!
too late for that. It killed orc troll king synergy for me, which was the whole reason I made my sDK orc, now rolled it back to redguard.
So horaaay, race diversity.
That being said I still find troll king to be worth using even against defile bots, if your race/class combo has health recovery bonuses.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »hurr durr defile is needed cus healbots overperform.
Why not nerf the damn heal bots then?
Becouse healbots have no damage, literally, they can't kill you.
And if you get killed by a healbot, he's probably not a healbot...or you f up big time
you don't even get the point do you?
''they can't kill people so its balanced.''
Okay, I can see that you clearly need me to explain this to you piece by piece, so I will do it.
Lets have a pvp raid, have a tanky Dk and call him zergbad, and give him a healer.
And now lets try to kill zergbad.
managed to get him to execute range? NOPE, BOL'd to max hp by an immortal templar healer.
Put some bleeds on him? NOPE, cleansed.
Put defiles on him? NOPE, cleansed.
Put dots on him? NOPE, cleansed.
Put major fracture on him? NOPE, cleansed.
dawnbreaker him? you guessed it, that is also CLEANSED.
Oh so how do we kill zergbad then?
Don't you worry, we have befoul+defile!!!
But wait, what do we do if the zergbad decides to use befoul+defile?
By having a healbot that uses cleanse!
IF you still haven't seen the problem in this example you just can't be helped.
Nonesence, the more people there are, if they know how to play, the more they are good at not dieing. It's a matter of IF the enemy are good, or the zergers are better. Simple
You can't be allowed to kill a good player becouse you have a overwhelming skill that make you do so.
Learn how to play tactically. And if you see a 20man raid organized. Get a 20 man raid organized to counter them or die. There are few choices.
If you are xv1d the devs already said that you shound't survive
It was a basic example as to why purge is stupid and why defile isn't working as intended because of it.
And you managed to not understand it, bravo.
Purge is stupid you say.
It's strong yes, you know how much it costs?
No?
Check it.
templar purge is 3700 magicka as far as I remember, which is extremely cheap for what it does.
the alliance war purge is around 5k magicka for 2 effects, and 8k for the other morph. which is why you need a healbot and not a random guy with purge.Edited by Ragnarock41 on March 10, 2018 7:17PM1 -
Goshua✭✭✭✭It is fine, because...Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »hurr durr defile is needed cus healbots overperform.
Why not nerf the damn heal bots then?
Becouse healbots have no damage, literally, they can't kill you.
And if you get killed by a healbot, he's probably not a healbot...or you f up big time
you don't even get the point do you?
''they can't kill people so its balanced.''
Okay, I can see that you clearly need me to explain this to you piece by piece, so I will do it.
Lets have a pvp raid, have a tanky Dk and call him zergbad, and give him a healer.
And now lets try to kill zergbad.
managed to get him to execute range? NOPE, BOL'd to max hp by an immortal templar healer.
Put some bleeds on him? NOPE, cleansed.
Put defiles on him? NOPE, cleansed.
Put dots on him? NOPE, cleansed.
Put major fracture on him? NOPE, cleansed.
dawnbreaker him? you guessed it, that is also CLEANSED.
Oh so how do we kill zergbad then?
Don't you worry, we have befoul+defile!!!
But wait, what do we do if the zergbad decides to use befoul+defile?
By having a healbot that uses cleanse!
IF you still haven't seen the problem in this example you just can't be helped.
well um.. ignore the tank, stack cc and dps on the templar.. thought everyone knew that by now
aand defile, negate.. tools are there.
I think anyone moaning about healers is probably a ganker 90% of the time
Edited by Goshua on March 10, 2018 7:22PM0 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭It should be nerfed, because...Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »hurr durr defile is needed cus healbots overperform.
Why not nerf the damn heal bots then?
Becouse healbots have no damage, literally, they can't kill you.
And if you get killed by a healbot, he's probably not a healbot...or you f up big time
you don't even get the point do you?
''they can't kill people so its balanced.''
Okay, I can see that you clearly need me to explain this to you piece by piece, so I will do it.
Lets have a pvp raid, have a tanky Dk and call him zergbad, and give him a healer.
And now lets try to kill zergbad.
managed to get him to execute range? NOPE, BOL'd to max hp by an immortal templar healer.
Put some bleeds on him? NOPE, cleansed.
Put defiles on him? NOPE, cleansed.
Put dots on him? NOPE, cleansed.
Put major fracture on him? NOPE, cleansed.
dawnbreaker him? you guessed it, that is also CLEANSED.
Oh so how do we kill zergbad then?
Don't you worry, we have befoul+defile!!!
But wait, what do we do if the zergbad decides to use befoul+defile?
By having a healbot that uses cleanse!
IF you still haven't seen the problem in this example you just can't be helped.
well um.. ignore the tank, stack cc and dps on the templar.. thought everyone knew that by now
another person didn't get the point. befoul exists to counter that tank with a healbot, but it counters everybody else instead.3 -
Skander✭✭✭✭✭
✭Other. (Please explain.)Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »The health recovery thing is stupid.
It shouldn't affect health recovery!
too late for that. It killed orc troll king synergy for me, which was the whole reason I made my sDK orc, now rolled it back to redguard.
So horaaay, race diversity.
That being said I still find troll king to be worth using even against defile bots, if your race/class combo has health recovery bonuses.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »hurr durr defile is needed cus healbots overperform.
Why not nerf the damn heal bots then?
Becouse healbots have no damage, literally, they can't kill you.
And if you get killed by a healbot, he's probably not a healbot...or you f up big time
you don't even get the point do you?
''they can't kill people so its balanced.''
Okay, I can see that you clearly need me to explain this to you piece by piece, so I will do it.
Lets have a pvp raid, have a tanky Dk and call him zergbad, and give him a healer.
And now lets try to kill zergbad.
managed to get him to execute range? NOPE, BOL'd to max hp by an immortal templar healer.
Put some bleeds on him? NOPE, cleansed.
Put defiles on him? NOPE, cleansed.
Put dots on him? NOPE, cleansed.
Put major fracture on him? NOPE, cleansed.
dawnbreaker him? you guessed it, that is also CLEANSED.
Oh so how do we kill zergbad then?
Don't you worry, we have befoul+defile!!!
But wait, what do we do if the zergbad decides to use befoul+defile?
By having a healbot that uses cleanse!
IF you still haven't seen the problem in this example you just can't be helped.
Nonesence, the more people there are, if they know how to play, the more they are good at not dieing. It's a matter of IF the enemy are good, or the zergers are better. Simple
You can't be allowed to kill a good player becouse you have a overwhelming skill that make you do so.
Learn how to play tactically. And if you see a 20man raid organized. Get a 20 man raid organized to counter them or die. There are few choices.
If you are xv1d the devs already said that you shound't survive
It was a basic example as to why purge is stupid and why defile isn't working as intended because of it.
And you managed to not understand it, bravo.
Purge is stupid you say.
It's strong yes, you know how much it costs?
No?
Check it.
templar purge is 3700 magicka as far as I remember, which is extremely cheap for what it does.
the alliance war purge is around 5k magicka for 2 effects, and 8k for the other morph. which is why you need a healbot and not a random guy with purge.
Purge, the alliance one, purges all the targets in your Group. Templar's has a synergy cooldown. Purge removes also snared. Thus you don't remove all' the effect you basically want to be removed first. And 3.7 ( i have3.9 as breton in heavy armor) for a non-heal ability is high. It's fair. But cleanse shound't be touchedEdited by Skander on March 10, 2018 7:28PMI meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
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Goshua✭✭✭✭It is fine, because...Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »hurr durr defile is needed cus healbots overperform.
Why not nerf the damn heal bots then?
Becouse healbots have no damage, literally, they can't kill you.
And if you get killed by a healbot, he's probably not a healbot...or you f up big time
you don't even get the point do you?
''they can't kill people so its balanced.''
Okay, I can see that you clearly need me to explain this to you piece by piece, so I will do it.
Lets have a pvp raid, have a tanky Dk and call him zergbad, and give him a healer.
And now lets try to kill zergbad.
managed to get him to execute range? NOPE, BOL'd to max hp by an immortal templar healer.
Put some bleeds on him? NOPE, cleansed.
Put defiles on him? NOPE, cleansed.
Put dots on him? NOPE, cleansed.
Put major fracture on him? NOPE, cleansed.
dawnbreaker him? you guessed it, that is also CLEANSED.
Oh so how do we kill zergbad then?
Don't you worry, we have befoul+defile!!!
But wait, what do we do if the zergbad decides to use befoul+defile?
By having a healbot that uses cleanse!
IF you still haven't seen the problem in this example you just can't be helped.
well um.. ignore the tank, stack cc and dps on the templar.. thought everyone knew that by now
another person didn't get the point. befoul exists to counter that tank with a healbot, but it counters everybody else instead.
yep you're right I don't get it, that's why there are so many bow users spamming poison injection, why disease enchants exist and NB's, all tank hunters..0 -
GrumpyDuckling✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭PVP perspective - We need more defile because of the dumb decision to link damage and healing. The harder a build hits, the better it heals. I don't know who decided that the game should be this way, but it doesn't make for fun, diverse game play.
PVE perspective - There are so few instances in which defile against an enemy is useful that we don't even need to discuss defile in PVE.2 -
MaxwellC✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It is fine, because...@Ch4mpTW
Defile is fine but the issue that needs to be tweaked is healing received.
The way Healing received is working is as if it is another extension of healing done. Healing received buffs all healing you receive from all sources which includes your own.
I have been a strong proponent against the healing received affecting my own heals instead of only applying when other players cast healing abilities near or on me. I'm against is knowing that this greatly affects my class (DK) as it is in our passives but this is an example of how balancing should be, even at the expense of the only class I play.不動の Steadfast - Unwavering
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Kalante✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »hurr durr defile is needed cus healbots overperform.
Why not nerf the damn heal bots then?
because the majority of the forums are easy mode one button full health magicka templars. The healing mag templars can do, the high survival, and most importantly how huge of an impact they have on the battle field where they can make unkillable zergs is the reason why cyrodiil is completely laggy. People who should be dying are not dying simply because of mag templars smashing that breath of life and saving them from their incompetence. It doesn't make the game fun but rather cheapens it.Edited by Kalante on March 10, 2018 8:01PM1 -
Skander✭✭✭✭✭
✭Other. (Please explain.)GrumpyDuckling wrote: »PVP perspective - We need more defile because of the dumb decision to link damage and healing. The harder a build hits, the better it heals. I don't know who decided that the game should be this way, but it doesn't make for fun, diverse game play.
PVE perspective - There are so few instances in which defile against an enemy is useful that we don't even need to discuss defile in PVE.
Untrue, you just nerf all' magicka builds in pvp like this. Becouse they build on sustain and not damageI meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
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ofSunhold✭✭✭✭✭Other. (Please explain.)Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »hurr durr defile is needed cus healbots overperform.
Why not nerf the damn heal bots then?
Becouse healbots have no damage, literally, they can't kill you.
And if you get killed by a healbot, he's probably not a healbot...or you f up big time
you don't even get the point do you?
''they can't kill people so its balanced.''
Okay, I can see that you clearly need me to explain this to you piece by piece, so I will do it.
Lets have a pvp raid, have a tanky Dk and call him zergbad, and give him a healer.
And now lets try to kill zergbad.
managed to get him to execute range? NOPE, BOL'd to max hp by an immortal templar healer.
Put some bleeds on him? NOPE, cleansed.
Put defiles on him? NOPE, cleansed.
Put dots on him? NOPE, cleansed.
Put major fracture on him? NOPE, cleansed.
dawnbreaker him? you guessed it, that is also CLEANSED.
Oh so how do we kill zergbad then?
Don't you worry, we have befoul+defile!!!
But wait, what do we do if the zergbad decides to use befoul+defile?
By having a healbot that uses cleanse!
IF you still haven't seen the problem in this example you just can't be helped.
well um.. ignore the tank, stack cc and dps on the templar.. thought everyone knew that by now
another person didn't get the point. befoul exists to counter that tank with a healbot, but it counters everybody else instead.
yep you're right I don't get it, that's why there are so many bow users spamming poison injection, why disease enchants exist and NB's, all tank hunters..
I run an oblivion enchant on my front bar specifically because those super-tanky builds can't resist that damage. I wind up hitting everybody else I fight with it too, but it's not there for them. I've thought about running knight slayer - same reason, same outcome. Poisons may be the answer, since they're easier to switch out between fights, I just don't like poisons.Classes that don't need any class ability nerfs: Nightblades, Dragonknights, Sorcs, Templars, Wardens.1 -
Skander✭✭✭✭✭
✭Other. (Please explain.)Ragnarock41 wrote: »hurr durr defile is needed cus healbots overperform.
Why not nerf the damn heal bots then?
because the majority of the forums are easy mode one button full health magicka templars. Have you seen the pts thread forwhen it comes to templar feedback? it's always the biggest out of all classes by like ten pages.
I don't know where you live Buddy, but stamina has been top dog for 5 patches nowI meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
-Elder Nightblades Online
Want competitive pvp while being outnumbered? Tough luck, the devs clearly said you have to die in those situations3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It is fine, because...It is fine as it is and helps lead to a balanced game in PvP. A player going heavy with defile is not different than the choices players make going glass cannon vs tank builds.
For PvE it is merely a minor benefit for specific fights. If the group has the DPS it is really not needed.
I thought OP stopped playing ESO?
Do you know that some skills can apply defile right?
@Skander
Obviously. It does not appear I suggested otherwise.Edited by idk on March 10, 2018 7:37PM0 -
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✭It should be buffed, because...Let the pvp'er salt flow like wind-blown sands across the dunes of the Alik'r.PC-NA since 2015. Tired and unimpressed.2 -
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✭Other. (Please explain.)It's too strong in duels, other than that it's fine and needed. Healing is way too strong without it.1 -
Goshua✭✭✭✭It is fine, because...Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »hurr durr defile is needed cus healbots overperform.
Why not nerf the damn heal bots then?
Becouse healbots have no damage, literally, they can't kill you.
And if you get killed by a healbot, he's probably not a healbot...or you f up big time
you don't even get the point do you?
''they can't kill people so its balanced.''
Okay, I can see that you clearly need me to explain this to you piece by piece, so I will do it.
Lets have a pvp raid, have a tanky Dk and call him zergbad, and give him a healer.
And now lets try to kill zergbad.
managed to get him to execute range? NOPE, BOL'd to max hp by an immortal templar healer.
Put some bleeds on him? NOPE, cleansed.
Put defiles on him? NOPE, cleansed.
Put dots on him? NOPE, cleansed.
Put major fracture on him? NOPE, cleansed.
dawnbreaker him? you guessed it, that is also CLEANSED.
Oh so how do we kill zergbad then?
Don't you worry, we have befoul+defile!!!
But wait, what do we do if the zergbad decides to use befoul+defile?
By having a healbot that uses cleanse!
IF you still haven't seen the problem in this example you just can't be helped.
well um.. ignore the tank, stack cc and dps on the templar.. thought everyone knew that by now
another person didn't get the point. befoul exists to counter that tank with a healbot, but it counters everybody else instead.
yep you're right I don't get it, that's why there are so many bow users spamming poison injection, why disease enchants exist and NB's, all tank hunters..
I run an oblivion enchant on my front bar specifically because those super-tanky builds can't resist that damage. I wind up hitting everybody else I fight with it too, but it's not there for them. I've thought about running knight slayer - same reason, same outcome. Poisons may be the answer, since they're easier to switch out between fights, I just don't like poisons.
I meant Lethal Arrow rather than poison injection previously as it majorly defiles
Disease (not poison) is the heal debuff and its an enchant.
Edited by Goshua on March 10, 2018 7:48PM0 -
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✭It should be buffed, because...it should also reduce shield strength by the same amount it reduces healing.2 -
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✭It should be buffed, because...WillhelmBlack wrote: »it is buffed by CP. If it wasn’t, it would be absolutely fine.
You do realize that when you get to 10-15 percent in that CP tree that's a percent of the 30%, not full extra percent points on top of it. So putting the points in to get to 10% gives you a total Debuff of 33% not 40% and putting the points in to get to 15% gets you up to 34.5%. That's a lot of CP to use for an extra 3-4.5 percent debuff.1
