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What Is Your Opinion on Defile?
Ch4mpTW
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What is your opinion on the de-buff of defile? Both from a PvE and PvP perspective. Should it be buffed, nerfed, or left as it is?
Also, I please be aware that I’m talking about both major and minor defile. As well as sets and or mechanics that apply practically “perma-defile” (e.g. Durok’s Bane).
Edited by Ch4mpTW on March 10, 2018 1:33AM Also, I please be aware that I’m talking about both major and minor defile. As well as sets and or mechanics that apply practically “perma-defile” (e.g. Durok’s Bane).
What Is Your Opinion on Defile? 152 votes
It should be buffed, because...
10%
16 votes
It should be nerfed, because...
19%
30 votes
It is fine, because...
54%
83 votes
Other. (Please explain.)
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23 votes
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Love Wizard✭✭✭✭✭It is fine, because...Its fine, in PvE its useless more or less, would be cool to see it interact with the likes of the mage's hp gain in execute phase. Its pretty brutal in PvP though
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Taleof2Cities✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It is fine, because...Defile definitely has its uses (and counters) in PvP ... it's fine.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Love Wizard wrote: »Its fine, in PvE its useless more or less, would be cool to see it interact with the likes of the mage's hp gain in execute phase. Its pretty brutal in PvP though
Yeah, there really should be some (more pronounced) PvE application for Defile.0 -
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✭✭✭It should be nerfed, because...It's needs to be reworked for non-CP. Heals already take a massive hit in non-CP unless you spec as a healer.
Maybe a 3-5s cooldown on defiling a target after that target has been recently purged.Edited by brandonv516 on March 10, 2018 1:44AM2 -
Wreuntzylla✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Other. (Please explain.)Not going to say it's fine, just going to say it's necessary.
Heal debuffs are typically a sign that game developers either can't or don't want to balance dps v. mitigation/heals/etc. I still see this as a more positive thing than the procset FPS meta. However, it's essentially just a procset debuff meta with only a tiny bit more of an associated skill level. The Durok's wearer has to survive for a bit before they can reap the benefit.
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Wrecking_Blow_Spam✭✭✭✭✭
✭It should be nerfed, because...The health recovery thing is stupid.
It shouldn't affect health recovery!Xbox one EU
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Armatesz✭✭✭✭✭Other. (Please explain.)Honestly don't see defiler as the best you could go for though.Ärmätèsz
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Wreuntzylla✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Other. (Please explain.)Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »The health recovery thing is stupid.
It shouldn't affect health recovery!
You obviously didn't run into my buddy or I, lol. Though really they should have nerfed the build and not the resource.0 -
Samadhi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Would like more sources"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion." -- the 14th Dalai Lama
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✭✭✭✭✭It should be buffed, because...Nobody uses it in PvE. Would be interesting if it had work done to make it usable.PC-NA Goat - Bleat Bleat Baaaa0 -
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✭It is fine, because...For CP you can stack heal gain to equal and more probably outgain Defile cp user.
For non cp I think it is balanced.Moons and sands shall be your guide and path.
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✭✭It should be nerfed, because...In PvE it doesn't matter, however in PvP it made me stop playing healer as there is barely any point to being one in smallscale PvP anymore. Defile as a concept is fine however it has gotten way out of hand and you basically can't heal at all going up against organized teams. Add in resource poisons which force you to run 4-5k regen do even sustain and you can basically forget healers outside of zergs. I'm fine with the values of defile, however it should have some sort of cooldown or immunity mechanic to not be up all the time.EU/PC (GER) - Healermain since 2014 - 50305 Achievement Points - Youtube (PvE Healing Guides, Builds & Gameplay)1 -
Passifest✭✭✭✭It should be nerfed, because...There is a definite problem with the usage of defile against low healing people with no purge. Defile is meant to be used against healbots but most of the time the healbots can just purge the defile which is ironic. I don't know the solution to the problem but all I know is that it doesn't do enough to healbots and it does way way too much against people who can't heal very much in the first place.4
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jbjondeaueb17_ESO✭✭✭✭Other. (Please explain.)Unfortunately useless in PvE.
Very potent in PvP but only because of some sets and poisons. When there was not so many way to put it on player it was way more interesting, way too common and easy to use nowadays.Pain-Healer - Argonian Templar Healer (EP) - Immortal Redeemer - Gryphon's Heart
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Rohaus✭✭✭✭✭It is fine, because...Magplar healing is so very strong... in group fights, I regularly see it where I put major defile on a target and get them real low health only to see their health instantly go back to 100%...
Personally, I wish that there was no burst heals and only heal over time.YouTube channel Rohaus Lives!
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Vapirko✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Other. (Please explain.)It’s a double edged sword. If you nerf it there goes your ability to deal with heal tanks and just the generally op heals available to groups. If you leave it the way it is it’s op agaisnt normal builds. That’s the issue with eso pvp. Anything ZOS creats to try and deal with meta builds will be used to create a new meta that further punishes people who actually want to pvp and not pvmetabuild. Defile is generally too strong right now, but it’s a whole chain of things that are wrong and they’d all have to be fixed so just leave defile as is since it makes no real difference until ZOS stops promoting zerging and ball groups.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It is fine, because...Defile it self is fine, that CP tree is freaking way too stacked though - make it like the others and it's all good3 -
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✭✭✭It should be nerfed, because...I’m torn on this one. Defile is needed for the healbot crowd (who cleanse every second anyway) I think the defile tree needs adjusting a bit.
Duroks and stacked defile seem to be the latest yolo cheese.2 -
ofSunhold✭✭✭✭✭Other. (Please explain.)Keep building for immortality and people will keep stacking whatever they have to, to kill that kind of build. Everybody else will get mown down in the process. Fun, isn't it. But by all means keep building for immortality.
It's a vicious circle and I'm not sure how to interrupt it, but I would not start with the offensive tools.Classes that don't need any class ability nerfs: Nightblades, Dragonknights, Sorcs, Templars, Wardens.1 -
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✭✭✭✭It should be nerfed, because...hurr durr defile is needed cus healbots overperform.
Why not nerf the damn heal bots then?2 -
Skander✭✭✭✭✭
✭Other. (Please explain.)It would be fine if base armor and armor cap would bi a little bit higherI meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
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✭Other. (Please explain.)Ragnarock41 wrote: »hurr durr defile is needed cus healbots overperform.
Why not nerf the damn heal bots then?
Becouse healbots have no damage, literally, they can't kill you.
And if you get killed by a healbot, he's probably not a healbot...or you f up big timeI meme, but my memes are so truthful they hurt
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✭✭It should be nerfed, because...it is buffed by CP. If it wasn’t, it would be absolutely fine.PC EU1 -
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✭✭✭✭It should be nerfed, because...Ragnarock41 wrote: »hurr durr defile is needed cus healbots overperform.
Why not nerf the damn heal bots then?
Becouse healbots have no damage, literally, they can't kill you.
And if you get killed by a healbot, he's probably not a healbot...or you f up big time
you don't even get the point do you?
''they can't kill people so its balanced.''
Okay, I can see that you clearly need me to explain this to you piece by piece, so I will do it.
Lets have a pvp raid, have a tanky Dk and call him zergbad, and give him a healer.
And now lets try to kill zergbad.
managed to get him to execute range? NOPE, BOL'd to max hp by an immortal templar healer.
Put some bleeds on him? NOPE, cleansed.
Put defiles on him? NOPE, cleansed.
Put dots on him? NOPE, cleansed.
Put major fracture on him? NOPE, cleansed.
dawnbreaker him? you guessed it, that is also CLEANSED.
Oh so how do we kill zergbad then?
Don't you worry, we have befoul+defile!!!
But wait, what do we do if the zergbad decides to use befoul+defile?
By having a healbot that uses cleanse!
IF you still haven't seen the problem in this example you just can't be helped.
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✭✭✭✭✭Other. (Please explain.)WillhelmBlack wrote: »it is buffed by CP. If it wasn’t, it would be absolutely fine.
Wait a minute. So with 33 points spent into Befoul, that is essentially a 30% healing reduction that you’re applying to players...?
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I don’t know where I heard it from, but I think someone said that with the addition of the new undaunted 2pcs. monster set, you can now literally apply a permanent defile on players? Now supposedly this was already possible (or close to possible) with Durok’s, but now it’s like an actual thing. Is this true? Because if so, that’s beyond broken.Edited by Ch4mpTW on March 10, 2018 5:41PM0 -
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✭It is fine, because...Befoul should probably be in the blue CP tree, but defile is the only way to kill half the classes in PvP2
