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MadLarkin✭✭✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »Savos_Saren wrote: »Hallothiel wrote: »You know that you don't HAVE to buy the crates you know. They are optional.
That is not (nor has it ever been) the point. The point is that every new feature that has come to ESO recently has been designed with the sole purpose of shoving people to the store over and over. Its just insulting is all. Base game price, paid DLC, "chapters," ESO+, account services, cosmetics, mounts, $100 time-limited homes, crates, crate items that can't be bought with gems, etc. Where does it end? How many different ways do people need to pay in order to just have access to everything the game has to offer without being redirected back towards the store constantly?
Yeah- because it’s a good business model to give everything away for free.
I did not say that, nor have I ever. Don't misconstrue my argument. I was fine with paying for the core game, whatever DLC I wanted, cosmetics from the store occasionally, and had no problem with ESO+ and being charged for account services (even though that's more of a F2P model). But shoving the most desirable mounts into crates that, for the majority of the buyers, will cost more to obtain (by a huge margin) than if they were just put directly into the store, is astoundingly transparent as something that has no one but the shareholders in mind. It sure as hell isn't for our benefit that we have to gamble on some of the most desirable items in the game, cosmetic or not. All of this stuff could be reasonably priced, put in the store for direct purchase, without time limits on them (or rotations if we want the artificial scarcity that bad), but the new business model of major publishers is to push the goodwill of your customers and fleece as much money from them as you can, no matter how it damages the game, the company, and the industry in the long run.
no, you do not have to..... that is a choice you make, you are not forced to do it.
You're making the same semantic argument over and over.
FIne,
we have to gamble on some of the most desirable items in the game, cosmetic or not, if we wish to obtain said items.
yes... and that is a choice you make. you said it yourself 'if we wish to obtain said items'
no one is forcing that choice on you.
it is just pixels.
We're going in circles here. Its not about the choice or the pixels. Its about anti-consumer practices and my desire to call them exactly that. Its that simple. If something is scummy, I don't care if its something in which I can choose not to participate, I'm still going to call it scummy.
how is choice an anti-consumer practice?
Because the method of obtaining these items for those that CHOOSE to do so is unnecessarily convoluted and greedy and was designed from the ground up to extract an amount of money that is orders of magnitude higher than if those items were put directly into the store.5 -
MadLarkin✭✭✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »Savos_Saren wrote: »Hallothiel wrote: »You know that you don't HAVE to buy the crates you know. They are optional.
That is not (nor has it ever been) the point. The point is that every new feature that has come to ESO recently has been designed with the sole purpose of shoving people to the store over and over. Its just insulting is all. Base game price, paid DLC, "chapters," ESO+, account services, cosmetics, mounts, $100 time-limited homes, crates, crate items that can't be bought with gems, etc. Where does it end? How many different ways do people need to pay in order to just have access to everything the game has to offer without being redirected back towards the store constantly?
Yeah- because it’s a good business model to give everything away for free.
I did not say that, nor have I ever. Don't misconstrue my argument. I was fine with paying for the core game, whatever DLC I wanted, cosmetics from the store occasionally, and had no problem with ESO+ and being charged for account services (even though that's more of a F2P model). But shoving the most desirable mounts into crates that, for the majority of the buyers, will cost more to obtain (by a huge margin) than if they were just put directly into the store, is astoundingly transparent as something that has no one but the shareholders in mind. It sure as hell isn't for our benefit that we have to gamble on some of the most desirable items in the game, cosmetic or not. All of this stuff could be reasonably priced, put in the store for direct purchase, without time limits on them (or rotations if we want the artificial scarcity that bad), but the new business model of major publishers is to push the goodwill of your customers and fleece as much money from them as you can, no matter how it damages the game, the company, and the industry in the long run.
no, you do not have to..... that is a choice you make, you are not forced to do it.
You're making the same semantic argument over and over.
FIne,
we have to gamble on some of the most desirable items in the game, cosmetic or not, if we wish to obtain said items.
yes... and that is a choice you make. you said it yourself 'if we wish to obtain said items'
no one is forcing that choice on you.
it is just pixels.
We're going in circles here. Its not about the choice or the pixels. Its about anti-consumer practices and my desire to call them exactly that. Its that simple. If something is scummy, I don't care if its something in which I can choose not to participate, I'm still going to call it scummy.
how is choice an anti-consumer practice?
Some people just live for the butthurt.
Or, some people think a F2P mobile trash business model in addition to a base game cost, expansions, subscription, paid DLC, and an extensive storefront is just a few steps too far. Hey, maybe I'm overreacting. Its not like publishers will continue to push the envelope until in-game power necessary for competitive play will be shoved into boxes like these? What's that, Battlefront 2 already did it? Its like some of you guys are laying on the tracks and still can't hear the train coming.8 -
jedtb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »Savos_Saren wrote: »Hallothiel wrote: »You know that you don't HAVE to buy the crates you know. They are optional.
That is not (nor has it ever been) the point. The point is that every new feature that has come to ESO recently has been designed with the sole purpose of shoving people to the store over and over. Its just insulting is all. Base game price, paid DLC, "chapters," ESO+, account services, cosmetics, mounts, $100 time-limited homes, crates, crate items that can't be bought with gems, etc. Where does it end? How many different ways do people need to pay in order to just have access to everything the game has to offer without being redirected back towards the store constantly?
Yeah- because it’s a good business model to give everything away for free.
I did not say that, nor have I ever. Don't misconstrue my argument. I was fine with paying for the core game, whatever DLC I wanted, cosmetics from the store occasionally, and had no problem with ESO+ and being charged for account services (even though that's more of a F2P model). But shoving the most desirable mounts into crates that, for the majority of the buyers, will cost more to obtain (by a huge margin) than if they were just put directly into the store, is astoundingly transparent as something that has no one but the shareholders in mind. It sure as hell isn't for our benefit that we have to gamble on some of the most desirable items in the game, cosmetic or not. All of this stuff could be reasonably priced, put in the store for direct purchase, without time limits on them (or rotations if we want the artificial scarcity that bad), but the new business model of major publishers is to push the goodwill of your customers and fleece as much money from them as you can, no matter how it damages the game, the company, and the industry in the long run.
no, you do not have to..... that is a choice you make, you are not forced to do it.
You're making the same semantic argument over and over.
FIne,
we have to gamble on some of the most desirable items in the game, cosmetic or not, if we wish to obtain said items.
yes... and that is a choice you make. you said it yourself 'if we wish to obtain said items'
no one is forcing that choice on you.
it is just pixels.
We're going in circles here. Its not about the choice or the pixels. Its about anti-consumer practices and my desire to call them exactly that. Its that simple. If something is scummy, I don't care if its something in which I can choose not to participate, I'm still going to call it scummy.
how is choice an anti-consumer practice?
Because the method of obtaining these items for those that CHOOSE to do so is unnecessarily convoluted and greedy and was designed from the ground up to extract an amount of money that is orders of magnitude higher than if those items were put directly into the store.
the people who make that choice are, presumably, aware of what they are getting in to? it is no secret that the crates are a gamble.
if i choose to put my hand in a blender are you saying that it's the person who sold me the blender or the manufacturer is at fault?
to take a step back.... my issue with your earlier statement was that you condemned everything that zos sells with equal venom. in the same sentence eso+ and crown crates. that is what i am objecting to. the two thing are worlds apart. as i have said i am uneasy with the crates, i don't think they are a good thing. but i am not going to take the tar from that and paint the whole thing with it, and i don't think you should either.1 -
dodgehopper_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭You ***-a-roach.US/AD - Dodge Hopper - Vet Imperial Templar | US/AD - Goj-ei-Raj - Vet Argonian Nightblade
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Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »You ***-a-roach.
LMAO. Pretty sure that Tony Montana and ZOS's forum censor are going to clash, even when he isnt actually swearing.Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on March 7, 2018 10:54PM2 -
dodgehopper_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »You ***-a-roach.
LMAO. Pretty sure that Tony Montana and ZOS's forum censor are going to clash, even when he isnt actually swearing.
I smirked when I saw that as well.US/AD - Dodge Hopper - Vet Imperial Templar | US/AD - Goj-ei-Raj - Vet Argonian Nightblade
US/AD - Arondonimo - Vet Altmer Sorcerer | US/AD - Azumarax - Vet Dunmer Dragon Knight
US/AD - Barkan al-Sheharesh - Vet Redguard Dragon Knight | US/AD - Aelus Vortavoriil - Vet Altmer Templar
US/AD - Shirari Qa'Dar - Vet Khajiit Nightblade | US/AD - Ndvari Mzunchvolenthumz - Vet Bosmer Nightblade
US/EP - Yngmar - Vet Nord Dragon Knight | US/EP - Reloth Ur Fyr - Vet Dunmer Sorcerer
US/DC - Muiredeach - Vet Breton Sorcerer | US/DC - Nachtrabe - Vet Orc Nightblade
EU/DC - Dragol gro-Unglak - Vet Orc Dragon Knight | EU/DC - Targan al-Barkan - Vet Redguard Templar
EU/DC - Wuthmir - Vet Nord Sorcerer | EU/DC - Kosh Ragotoro - Vet Khajiit Nightblade
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✭✭✭✭✭Savos_Saren wrote: »Hallothiel wrote: »You know that you don't HAVE to buy the crates you know. They are optional.
That is not (nor has it ever been) the point. The point is that every new feature that has come to ESO recently has been designed with the sole purpose of shoving people to the store over and over. Its just insulting is all. Base game price, paid DLC, "chapters," ESO+, account services, cosmetics, mounts, $100 time-limited homes, crates, crate items that can't be bought with gems, etc. Where does it end? How many different ways do people need to pay in order to just have access to everything the game has to offer without being redirected back towards the store constantly?
Yeah- because it’s a good business model to give everything away for free.
I did not say that, nor have I ever. Don't misconstrue my argument. I was fine with paying for the core game, whatever DLC I wanted, cosmetics from the store occasionally, and had no problem with ESO+ and being charged for account services (even though that's more of a F2P model). But shoving the most desirable mounts into crates that, for the majority of the buyers, will cost more to obtain (by a huge margin) than if they were just put directly into the store, is astoundingly transparent as something that has no one but the shareholders in mind. It sure as hell isn't for our benefit that we have to gamble on some of the most desirable items in the game, cosmetic or not. All of this stuff could be reasonably priced, put in the store for direct purchase, without time limits on them (or rotations if we want the artificial scarcity that bad), but the new business model of major publishers is to push the goodwill of your customers and fleece as much money from them as you can, no matter how it damages the game, the company, and the industry in the long run.
My personal opinion is unless that mount in the crown crate is faster than the one I got with gold in game then it doesn't hurt the game at all. Some people are willing to pay a hundred dollars or more to ride a wolf, some are not. We are not forced either way. Just like some people are willing to pay a couple of thousand dollars for a pair of *** shoes they will never wear and some people are not. Some people have only the basic programming on cable or satellite television others get the premium package. They are not forced into one or the other.
ESO is providing us with choices. They could go back to no crown crates and requiring a subscription to play. That would be forcing all of us into paying an amount we may or may not be comfortable with. The way it is now we get to choose how much we will spend on the game.
Couple things to consider about this.
1) Was the previous business model failing that badly that they needed to supplement their revenue with gambling crates?
2) Its not as though they've added less avenues of profit over the game's life span. Quite the opposite. Especially with the addition of housing and chapters.
3) I feel very confident all of these awesome mounts could have just been put directly into the store and they still would have sold like hotcakes. But, the majority of the people that desired them wouldn't have had to pay hundreds or even thousands of dollars in order to obtain them so that wasn't good enough.
Whether the previous business model was failing or not really doesn't matter. What matters (to the company) is does the current model generate more profits than the previous model. As important does the new model alienate our client base in any significant number. ZOS has a design team for the game. You can bet they also have a financial team that devotes all its time and energy into what provides the most profit without causing mass exodus from the game. The mounts could be sold in the store and they would generate a profit. The financial team has somehow decided putting them in crown crates would generate more profit. It isn't about turning a profit but about maximizing profit. And they are doing it in a way where the consumers get to choose how much they are willing to spend. I would prefer anything you can get in crown crates or in the crown store also be obtainable in game. Not having that option isn't a deal breaker for me though. I can live with crown crates and simply not buy any, I don't need a wolf that farts snowflakes all that bad. For those that want that wolf they have a way to get it.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."2 -
Ihatenightblades✭✭✭✭✭
✭lol Does anyone actually think ZOS is genuinely generous?
Yes i do. Having so many cosmetics and add ons that cost money which are all optional should not give them a "not generous" company.
I have gotten plenty free items in this game and most recent is the helmet by walking into new dungeons. You might not like it some do.
The spider mount which is cool and free.
Plus you can get up to 3-4 crown crates each nee cycle by just turning on the game.
You might be expecting too much from a company. What other game gives items that usualy cost money away for free? Zos has done this multiple times.
I also believe the crown store and eso plus memberships is what keeps this game up. Its not the most popular game out right now but still pushes out new content like its best game out.
Edit : the one thing i admit zos was NOT generous about was house wide items like mundus stones have to be purchased multiple times to have them placed in multiple homes.
They cost 30$ each. Not cool at allEdited by Ihatenightblades on March 8, 2018 12:37AM0 -
Recremen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »Savos_Saren wrote: »Hallothiel wrote: »You know that you don't HAVE to buy the crates you know. They are optional.
That is not (nor has it ever been) the point. The point is that every new feature that has come to ESO recently has been designed with the sole purpose of shoving people to the store over and over. Its just insulting is all. Base game price, paid DLC, "chapters," ESO+, account services, cosmetics, mounts, $100 time-limited homes, crates, crate items that can't be bought with gems, etc. Where does it end? How many different ways do people need to pay in order to just have access to everything the game has to offer without being redirected back towards the store constantly?
Yeah- because it’s a good business model to give everything away for free.
I did not say that, nor have I ever. Don't misconstrue my argument. I was fine with paying for the core game, whatever DLC I wanted, cosmetics from the store occasionally, and had no problem with ESO+ and being charged for account services (even though that's more of a F2P model). But shoving the most desirable mounts into crates that, for the majority of the buyers, will cost more to obtain (by a huge margin) than if they were just put directly into the store, is astoundingly transparent as something that has no one but the shareholders in mind. It sure as hell isn't for our benefit that we have to gamble on some of the most desirable items in the game, cosmetic or not. All of this stuff could be reasonably priced, put in the store for direct purchase, without time limits on them (or rotations if we want the artificial scarcity that bad), but the new business model of major publishers is to push the goodwill of your customers and fleece as much money from them as you can, no matter how it damages the game, the company, and the industry in the long run.
no, you do not have to..... that is a choice you make, you are not forced to do it.
You're making the same semantic argument over and over.
FIne,
we have to gamble on some of the most desirable items in the game, cosmetic or not, if we wish to obtain said items.
yes... and that is a choice you make. you said it yourself 'if we wish to obtain said items'
no one is forcing that choice on you.
it is just pixels.
We're going in circles here. Its not about the choice or the pixels. Its about anti-consumer practices and my desire to call them exactly that. Its that simple. If something is scummy, I don't care if its something in which I can choose not to participate, I'm still going to call it scummy.
how is choice an anti-consumer practice?
@jedtb16_ESO
It's not like they're offering a choice on how to buy it. The choice is "buy or don't buy" which is a product of the type of market our economy is based on. They aren't granting some additional function that isn't guaranteed by law and as such are at best consumer-neutral. Since, however, the method of acquisition for desirable is by random paid lottery, the whole shebang falls easily into the category of "anti-consumer". A normal business would let you pick the goods you want to buy, with the price plain and visible. A pro-consumer business would even go to lengths to make purchasing easier, such as real-world stores putting items commonly bought together near each other. Instead, we have this decidedly anti-consumer gamble box which tries its hardest to circumvent choice.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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rustic_potato✭✭✭✭✭Meh as long as the crates don't affect gameplay they could charge it $100 and lock all cosmetics behind it and I wouldn't care. As long as people are willing to be exploited, those that exploit those people will exist.I play how I want to.1 -
firedrgn✭✭✭✭✭I bought the crates before the free ones. So their free crack sample wont work on me. Muahahahahahaha1
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Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭So we're getting mad at a business for trying to advertise and make money like businesses do... I can't even.1 -
Asardes✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Despite all the promotion in the last year or so, the only crown crates I got were the free ones. I don't really care about cosmetics, and I haven't even used the costumes, pets and even mounts I've gotten in those crates. For some reason I find riding a giant leopard as opposite to a normal horse immersion breaking. Cats simply aren't built to carry stuff on their back
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✭✭✭✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »Savos_Saren wrote: »Hallothiel wrote: »You know that you don't HAVE to buy the crates you know. They are optional.
That is not (nor has it ever been) the point. The point is that every new feature that has come to ESO recently has been designed with the sole purpose of shoving people to the store over and over. Its just insulting is all. Base game price, paid DLC, "chapters," ESO+, account services, cosmetics, mounts, $100 time-limited homes, crates, crate items that can't be bought with gems, etc. Where does it end? How many different ways do people need to pay in order to just have access to everything the game has to offer without being redirected back towards the store constantly?
Yeah- because it’s a good business model to give everything away for free.
I did not say that, nor have I ever. Don't misconstrue my argument. I was fine with paying for the core game, whatever DLC I wanted, cosmetics from the store occasionally, and had no problem with ESO+ and being charged for account services (even though that's more of a F2P model). But shoving the most desirable mounts into crates that, for the majority of the buyers, will cost more to obtain (by a huge margin) than if they were just put directly into the store, is astoundingly transparent as something that has no one but the shareholders in mind. It sure as hell isn't for our benefit that we have to gamble on some of the most desirable items in the game, cosmetic or not. All of this stuff could be reasonably priced, put in the store for direct purchase, without time limits on them (or rotations if we want the artificial scarcity that bad), but the new business model of major publishers is to push the goodwill of your customers and fleece as much money from them as you can, no matter how it damages the game, the company, and the industry in the long run.
no, you do not have to..... that is a choice you make, you are not forced to do it.
You're making the same semantic argument over and over.
FIne,
we have to gamble on some of the most desirable items in the game, cosmetic or not, if we wish to obtain said items.
yes... and that is a choice you make. you said it yourself 'if we wish to obtain said items'
no one is forcing that choice on you.
it is just pixels.
We're going in circles here. Its not about the choice or the pixels. Its about anti-consumer practices and my desire to call them exactly that. Its that simple. If something is scummy, I don't care if its something in which I can choose not to participate, I'm still going to call it scummy.
how is choice an anti-consumer practice?
@jedtb16_ESO
It's not like they're offering a choice on how to buy it. The choice is "buy or don't buy" which is a product of the type of market our economy is based on. They aren't granting some additional function that isn't guaranteed by law and as such are at best consumer-neutral. Since, however, the method of acquisition for desirable is by random paid lottery, the whole shebang falls easily into the category of "anti-consumer". A normal business would let you pick the goods you want to buy, with the price plain and visible. A pro-consumer business would even go to lengths to make purchasing easier, such as real-world stores putting items commonly bought together near each other. Instead, we have this decidedly anti-consumer gamble box which tries its hardest to circumvent choice.
You do understand that there is nothing "pro-consumer" about putting related goods together, right? It's a marketing technique targeted at people with impulsive behaviour. It's literally there to maximize profits and make people buy stuff they didn't want in the first place. Same as putting sweets and chocolates in front of check-out to make children beg parents to buy them something.
There is nothing pro-consumer about business. It's always pro-profit.1 -
Dayth✭✭✭Hallothiel wrote: »You know that you don't HAVE to buy the crates you know. They are optional.
Going to a casino is optional, the only difference is someone with addictive tendencies knows to avoid casinos, you don't go into an mmo expecting to gamble with real life money to get a flowery bonnet for your character.
Everything in the Crown Store is optional, the fact they say that you have to buy a bunch of boxes that might have the item you want is obviously done to drain more money out of people.1 -
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We're going in circles here. Its not about the choice or the pixels. Its about anti-consumer practices and my desire to call them exactly that. Its that simple. If something is scummy, I don't care if its something in which I can choose not to participate, I'm still going to call it scummy.
yes, we are going in circles. we've heard all this crap before. all these bogus arguments by people who feel morally threatened by something that they dont have to participate in. someone elses product that they demand they be given for cheaper or free or via any other means than what the owner of the product sees fit, or they'll spread misinformation about those products like what happens in threads like this.
if you want something, you get it via whatever means the owner of that product feels. Dont get you panties in a twist and claim garbage like 'i stopped giving them money' for the products you do like (you do like the game right?) because you cant have everything the way you want, when you want.
this thread needs to die in a fire where it belongs. im sick of reading this garbage. why did i? look at the title, did it have anything to do with crates? but its degenerated into the same crate misinformation and fake outrage that all crate related threats end up in.
you dont like it. we get it. we dont agree. now stop repeating your dislike of it. the more you post it, the less genuine you appear.3 -
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✭If I want something from the Crown store, I will buy it IF I can 'go home' with it ... this type of exchange provides a feeling of fulfillment. But, spending money only to end up 'going home empty handed' because RNGesus didn't bless me, leaves me with an empty feeling and makes me more likely to not want to spend any more money.
ZOS chose a crown store business model that included crown crates. Players support that business model with each crown crate they purchase.
Whether or not ZOS would have made more money by offering a bigger variety of eye-candy for sale in the crown store without the use of crown crates, who knows. Personally, I think more people would have been willing to spend more money if RNG was not involved.Edited by Maryal on March 8, 2018 11:18AM2 -
TelvanniWizard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭If I want something from the Crown store, I will buy it IF I can 'go home' with it ... this type of exchange provides a feeling of fulfillment. But, spending money only to end up 'going home empty handed' because RNGesus didn't bless me, leaves me with an empty feeling and makes me more likely to not want to spend any more money.
ZOS chose a crown store business model that included crown crates. Players support that business model with each crown crate they purchase.
Whether or not ZOS would have made more money by offering a bigger variety of eye-candy for sale in the crown store without the use of crown crates, who knows. Personally, I think more people would have been willing to spend more money if RNG was not involved.
I´d spend way more money if I could just buy things directly in the store. With this system, I (who love spending in this cosmetic things) just haven´t spent a single USD in cosmetic stuff since I entered the game, with Homestead.0 -
Dexxadude✭✭Nah, nothing new. It seems every single new mount, costume etc is all in the crown crates, I've not seen a decent mount in the store at all since the crown crates came about. Nothing but pure GREED. Even after the lootbox fiasco they're still going full speed ahead with gamble crates. I've also never seen any discussion on their video cast(Could have missed it) about the hatred for these boxes even when they say they care about the community, always avoid the subject.
EDIT: If these mounts were straight purchase not gamble crates, I'd buy them and im sure hundreds of others who hate these crates would buy these mounts too.Edited by Dexxadude on March 8, 2018 2:49PM2 -
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We're going in circles here. Its not about the choice or the pixels. Its about anti-consumer practices and my desire to call them exactly that. Its that simple. If something is scummy, I don't care if its something in which I can choose not to participate, I'm still going to call it scummy.
yes, we are going in circles. we've heard all this crap before. all these bogus arguments by people who feel morally threatened by something that they dont have to participate in. someone elses product that they demand they be given for cheaper or free or via any other means than what the owner of the product sees fit, or they'll spread misinformation about those products like what happens in threads like this.
if you want something, you get it via whatever means the owner of that product feels. Dont get you panties in a twist and claim garbage like 'i stopped giving them money' for the products you do like (you do like the game right?) because you cant have everything the way you want, when you want.
this thread needs to die in a fire where it belongs. im sick of reading this garbage. why did i? look at the title, did it have anything to do with crates? but its degenerated into the same crate misinformation and fake outrage that all crate related threats end up in.
you dont like it. we get it. we dont agree. now stop repeating your dislike of it. the more you post it, the less genuine you appear.
Crown crates are designed to extract significantly more money from a customer attempting to obtain a specific cosmetic than if the cosmetic was placed in the store for direct purchase.
Go ahead and tell me what is bogus about that. I did stop giving them my money, because as a consumer, it is my right to communicate my displeasure with aspects of a product. And I will continue to do so. I was quite excited when I first bought ESO. It hasn't only been the Crown crates, there have been other things as well. But that was the big one and it drained my enthusiasm for the game. You may not like that, you may not agree with that, but that isn't really my problem.
Edit: Talking about misinformation. You repeated the same tired, untrue claim that I want "everything for free." Not true. Not even close. I just want to know what my money is going to get me. That's how fair, honest businesses work.Edited by MadLarkin on March 8, 2018 3:51PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It's called promotion.
Nothing wrong with that.
Unless you thing Crown Crates should be illegal, in which case you could compare ZOS to drug dealers.
For the record, I don't think Crown Crates should be illegal. I do, however, absolutely believe that they are gambling, and should be regulated as such. What that practically means is full disclosure of drop rates. In the US, that is currently not required. Only thing I can do is call my congressman, which I of course have done, and act with my wallet, guilty of buying my share of crown crates. My short conversation with his staff made it pretty clear that they didnt even know something like this existed.
Now if someone could post a meme of Tony Montana fighting a Khajiit, we could get this thread back on track.
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✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »It's called promotion.
Nothing wrong with that.
Unless you thing Crown Crates should be illegal, in which case you could compare ZOS to drug dealers.
For the record, I don't think Crown Crates should be illegal. I do, however, absolutely believe that they are gambling, and should be regulated as such. What that practically means is full disclosure of drop rates. In the US, that is currently not required. Only thing I can do is call my congressman, which I of course have done, and act with my wallet, guilty of buying my share of crown crates. My short conversation with his staff made it pretty clear that they didnt even know something like this existed.
Now if someone could post a meme of Tony Montana fighting a Khajiit, we could get this thread back on track.
idk about the states, most of the news i see from there is concerned with more pressing matters, but in the uk the gambling commission is looking into the matter. crown crate style things that is, not tony monatana fighting a khajiit. this started in november last year so don't hold your breath.0 -
Twenty0zTsunami✭✭✭✭Savos_Saren wrote: »Hallothiel wrote: »You know that you don't HAVE to buy the crates you know. They are optional.
That is not (nor has it ever been) the point. The point is that every new feature that has come to ESO recently has been designed with the sole purpose of shoving people to the store over and over. Its just insulting is all. Base game price, paid DLC, "chapters," ESO+, account services, cosmetics, mounts, $100 time-limited homes, crates, crate items that can't be bought with gems, etc. Where does it end? How many different ways do people need to pay in order to just have access to everything the game has to offer without being redirected back towards the store constantly?
Yeah- because it’s a good business model to give everything away for free.
its not giving it away for free considering we bought the game and pay subscriptions (at least I do)
You must be a youngster. You must never have experienced the golden age of PC gaming. Mid to late 90s, early 2000s. Yeah, back then when you bought a game you were also singing upf or allt he extra stuff that came along as the developers... ya know.... developed. They didn't sell you additional content or random unnecessary stuff for your game. They were included in regular content upgrades, locked behind in-game currency or achievements. The whole housing thing, with limited time $100+ "houses" is a load of *** TBQH.
As much as I love ESO, ZOS is treating this like a free to play game and thats ***. I bought the game, I bought the expansion, and I pay the subscription whenever I am in the mood to actually play the game. Yet almost all new stuff comes with a pretty severe price tag. As I said before, it's a load of tish.Edited by Twenty0zTsunami on March 8, 2018 5:14PM4
