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From their website:
If you want a taste of the shadowy powers the new Crown Crate season has to offer, you can earn up to three free Scalecaller Crown Crates simply by playing The Elder Scrolls Online! To acquire these new items, log into the game and defeat any enemy creature (monsters, bosses, or even enemy NPCs) every day, from Friday, March 9 until Sunday, March 11.
This is drug dealer speech. The first one is always free. That is all...
If you want a taste of the shadowy powers the new Crown Crate season has to offer, you can earn up to three free Scalecaller Crown Crates simply by playing The Elder Scrolls Online! To acquire these new items, log into the game and defeat any enemy creature (monsters, bosses, or even enemy NPCs) every day, from Friday, March 9 until Sunday, March 11.
This is drug dealer speech. The first one is always free. That is all...
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✭✭✭✭This isn't new. They've done this for every new crate cycle since Dwemer, I think?Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub36 -
Recremen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭And so many new emotes only in the gambling boxes. Too bad.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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✭✭✭✭✭DeadlyRecluse wrote: »This isn't new. They've done this for every new crate cycle since Dwemer, I think?
I guess I never notice the word "taste" before. haha.
Just made me laugh. Gimme a taste, just a taste, of the good stuff.Edited by Oreyn_Bearclaw on March 7, 2018 9:10PM10 -
MadLarkin✭✭✭✭Hallothiel wrote: »You know that you don't HAVE to buy the crates you know. They are optional.
That is not (nor has it ever been) the point. The point is that every new feature that has come to ESO recently has been designed with the sole purpose of shoving people to the store over and over. Its just insulting is all. Base game price, paid DLC, "chapters," ESO+, account services, cosmetics, mounts, $100 time-limited homes, crates, crate items that can't be bought with gems, etc. Where does it end? How many different ways do people need to pay in order to just have access to everything the game has to offer without being redirected back towards the store constantly?17 -
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✭✭Hallothiel wrote: »You know that you don't HAVE to buy the crates you know. They are optional.
That is not (nor has it ever been) the point. The point is that every new feature that has come to ESO recently has been designed with the sole purpose of shoving people to the store over and over. Its just insulting is all. Base game price, paid DLC, "chapters," ESO+, account services, cosmetics, mounts, $100 time-limited homes, crates, crate items that can't be bought with gems, etc. Where does it end? How many different ways do people need to pay in order to just have access to everything the game has to offer without being redirected back towards the store constantly?
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MadLarkin✭✭✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »Hallothiel wrote: »You know that you don't HAVE to buy the crates you know. They are optional.
That is not (nor has it ever been) the point. The point is that every new feature that has come to ESO recently has been designed with the sole purpose of shoving people to the store over and over. Its just insulting is all. Base game price, paid DLC, "chapters," ESO+, account services, cosmetics, mounts, $100 time-limited homes, crates, crate items that can't be bought with gems, etc. Where does it end? How many different ways do people need to pay in order to just have access to everything the game has to offer without being redirected back towards the store constantly?
and still you don't have to buy any of it...
I haven't. As soon as crates were released ZOS stopped getting my money. But I'll still drop in from time to time to communicate my displeasure with what I believe to be harmful industry practices that are insulting to customers.19 -
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✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »Hallothiel wrote: »You know that you don't HAVE to buy the crates you know. They are optional.
That is not (nor has it ever been) the point. The point is that every new feature that has come to ESO recently has been designed with the sole purpose of shoving people to the store over and over. Its just insulting is all. Base game price, paid DLC, "chapters," ESO+, account services, cosmetics, mounts, $100 time-limited homes, crates, crate items that can't be bought with gems, etc. Where does it end? How many different ways do people need to pay in order to just have access to everything the game has to offer without being redirected back towards the store constantly?
and still you don't have to buy any of it...
I haven't. As soon as crates were released ZOS stopped getting my money. But I'll still drop in from time to time to communicate my displeasure with what I believe to be harmful industry practices that are insulting to customers.
well, i'm back to playing regularly. the practices are no different to my local supermarket mailing me offers on things i never buy. i'm not insulted by it i just think '*** hum more marketing' and ignore it.16 -
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✭✭✭✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »Hallothiel wrote: »You know that you don't HAVE to buy the crates you know. They are optional.
That is not (nor has it ever been) the point. The point is that every new feature that has come to ESO recently has been designed with the sole purpose of shoving people to the store over and over. Its just insulting is all. Base game price, paid DLC, "chapters," ESO+, account services, cosmetics, mounts, $100 time-limited homes, crates, crate items that can't be bought with gems, etc. Where does it end? How many different ways do people need to pay in order to just have access to everything the game has to offer without being redirected back towards the store constantly?
and still you don't have to buy any of it...
In fairness, this game is barely playable without ESO plus, and the chapters and DLC are hardly optional if you want to experience all of the game has to offer. But then again, you dont HAVE to do anything.7 -
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✭✭✭Hallothiel wrote: »You know that you don't HAVE to buy the crates you know. They are optional.
That is not (nor has it ever been) the point. The point is that every new feature that has come to ESO recently has been designed with the sole purpose of shoving people to the store over and over. Its just insulting is all. Base game price, paid DLC, "chapters," ESO+, account services, cosmetics, mounts, $100 time-limited homes, crates, crate items that can't be bought with gems, etc. Where does it end? How many different ways do people need to pay in order to just have access to everything the game has to offer without being redirected back towards the store constantly?
Yeah- because it’s a good business model to give everything away for free.Want to enjoy the game more? Try both PvP (crybabies) and PvE (carebears). You'll get a better perspective on everyone's opinion.
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✭✭✭✭✭Ah, yes...If you want a taste of the shadowy powers the new Crown Crate season has to offer, you can earn up to three free Scalecaller Crown Crates simply by playing The Elder Scrolls Online! To acquire these new items, log into the game and defeat any enemy creature (monsters, bosses, or even enemy NPCs) every day, from Friday, March 9 until Sunday, March 11.
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✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »DeadlyRecluse wrote: »This isn't new. They've done this for every new crate cycle since Dwemer, I think?
I guess I never notice the word "taste" before. haha.
Just made me laugh. Gimme a taste, just a taste, of the good stuff.
ZOS are breaking bad. Best crown crate cooks in all of the US. With a secret ingredient. Chilly.@ Izaki #PCEU
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✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »Hallothiel wrote: »You know that you don't HAVE to buy the crates you know. They are optional.
That is not (nor has it ever been) the point. The point is that every new feature that has come to ESO recently has been designed with the sole purpose of shoving people to the store over and over. Its just insulting is all. Base game price, paid DLC, "chapters," ESO+, account services, cosmetics, mounts, $100 time-limited homes, crates, crate items that can't be bought with gems, etc. Where does it end? How many different ways do people need to pay in order to just have access to everything the game has to offer without being redirected back towards the store constantly?
and still you don't have to buy any of it...
In fairness, this game is barely playable without ESO plus, and the chapters and DLC are hardly optional if you want to experience all of the game has to offer. But then again, you dont HAVE to do anything.
ok... fair point. let me know if you want an agree or an awesome - no that is not sarcasm.
but there is a distinct and profound difference between eso+ and crown crates .... to equate the two is disingenuous at best and, to avoid the disapproval of the mods, dishonest at worst.
the bottom line always for this and every other product on the planet is turnover - does it make money?
i'll concede that the crates do make uneasy but, leaving aside the sub and content, the rest is just fluff.3 -
MadLarkin✭✭✭✭Savos_Saren wrote: »Hallothiel wrote: »You know that you don't HAVE to buy the crates you know. They are optional.
That is not (nor has it ever been) the point. The point is that every new feature that has come to ESO recently has been designed with the sole purpose of shoving people to the store over and over. Its just insulting is all. Base game price, paid DLC, "chapters," ESO+, account services, cosmetics, mounts, $100 time-limited homes, crates, crate items that can't be bought with gems, etc. Where does it end? How many different ways do people need to pay in order to just have access to everything the game has to offer without being redirected back towards the store constantly?
Yeah- because it’s a good business model to give everything away for free.
I did not say that, nor have I ever. Don't misconstrue my argument. I was fine with paying for the core game, whatever DLC I wanted, cosmetics from the store occasionally, and had no problem with ESO+ and being charged for account services (even though that's more of a F2P model). But shoving the most desirable mounts into crates that, for the majority of the buyers, will cost more to obtain (by a huge margin) than if they were just put directly into the store, is astoundingly transparent as something that has no one but the shareholders in mind. It sure as hell isn't for our benefit that we have to gamble on some of the most desirable items in the game, cosmetic or not. All of this stuff could be reasonably priced, put in the store for direct purchase, without time limits on them (or rotations if we want the artificial scarcity that bad), but the new business model of major publishers is to push the goodwill of your customers and fleece as much money from them as you can, no matter how it damages the game, the company, and the industry in the long run.12 -
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✭✭Savos_Saren wrote: »Hallothiel wrote: »You know that you don't HAVE to buy the crates you know. They are optional.
That is not (nor has it ever been) the point. The point is that every new feature that has come to ESO recently has been designed with the sole purpose of shoving people to the store over and over. Its just insulting is all. Base game price, paid DLC, "chapters," ESO+, account services, cosmetics, mounts, $100 time-limited homes, crates, crate items that can't be bought with gems, etc. Where does it end? How many different ways do people need to pay in order to just have access to everything the game has to offer without being redirected back towards the store constantly?
Yeah- because it’s a good business model to give everything away for free.
I did not say that, nor have I ever. Don't misconstrue my argument. I was fine with paying for the core game, whatever DLC I wanted, cosmetics from the store occasionally, and had no problem with ESO+ and being charged for account services (even though that's more of a F2P model). But shoving the most desirable mounts into crates that, for the majority of the buyers, will cost more to obtain (by a huge margin) than if they were just put directly into the store, is astoundingly transparent as something that has no one but the shareholders in mind. It sure as hell isn't for our benefit that we have to gamble on some of the most desirable items in the game, cosmetic or not. All of this stuff could be reasonably priced, put in the store for direct purchase, without time limits on them (or rotations if we want the artificial scarcity that bad), but the new business model of major publishers is to push the goodwill of your customers and fleece as much money from them as you can, no matter how it damages the game, the company, and the industry in the long run.
no, you do not have to..... that is a choice you make, you are not forced to do it.5 -
MadLarkin✭✭✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »Savos_Saren wrote: »Hallothiel wrote: »You know that you don't HAVE to buy the crates you know. They are optional.
That is not (nor has it ever been) the point. The point is that every new feature that has come to ESO recently has been designed with the sole purpose of shoving people to the store over and over. Its just insulting is all. Base game price, paid DLC, "chapters," ESO+, account services, cosmetics, mounts, $100 time-limited homes, crates, crate items that can't be bought with gems, etc. Where does it end? How many different ways do people need to pay in order to just have access to everything the game has to offer without being redirected back towards the store constantly?
Yeah- because it’s a good business model to give everything away for free.
I did not say that, nor have I ever. Don't misconstrue my argument. I was fine with paying for the core game, whatever DLC I wanted, cosmetics from the store occasionally, and had no problem with ESO+ and being charged for account services (even though that's more of a F2P model). But shoving the most desirable mounts into crates that, for the majority of the buyers, will cost more to obtain (by a huge margin) than if they were just put directly into the store, is astoundingly transparent as something that has no one but the shareholders in mind. It sure as hell isn't for our benefit that we have to gamble on some of the most desirable items in the game, cosmetic or not. All of this stuff could be reasonably priced, put in the store for direct purchase, without time limits on them (or rotations if we want the artificial scarcity that bad), but the new business model of major publishers is to push the goodwill of your customers and fleece as much money from them as you can, no matter how it damages the game, the company, and the industry in the long run.
no, you do not have to..... that is a choice you make, you are not forced to do it.
You're making the same semantic argument over and over.
FIne,
we have to gamble on some of the most desirable items in the game, cosmetic or not, if we wish to obtain said items.6 -
jedtb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »Savos_Saren wrote: »Hallothiel wrote: »You know that you don't HAVE to buy the crates you know. They are optional.
That is not (nor has it ever been) the point. The point is that every new feature that has come to ESO recently has been designed with the sole purpose of shoving people to the store over and over. Its just insulting is all. Base game price, paid DLC, "chapters," ESO+, account services, cosmetics, mounts, $100 time-limited homes, crates, crate items that can't be bought with gems, etc. Where does it end? How many different ways do people need to pay in order to just have access to everything the game has to offer without being redirected back towards the store constantly?
Yeah- because it’s a good business model to give everything away for free.
I did not say that, nor have I ever. Don't misconstrue my argument. I was fine with paying for the core game, whatever DLC I wanted, cosmetics from the store occasionally, and had no problem with ESO+ and being charged for account services (even though that's more of a F2P model). But shoving the most desirable mounts into crates that, for the majority of the buyers, will cost more to obtain (by a huge margin) than if they were just put directly into the store, is astoundingly transparent as something that has no one but the shareholders in mind. It sure as hell isn't for our benefit that we have to gamble on some of the most desirable items in the game, cosmetic or not. All of this stuff could be reasonably priced, put in the store for direct purchase, without time limits on them (or rotations if we want the artificial scarcity that bad), but the new business model of major publishers is to push the goodwill of your customers and fleece as much money from them as you can, no matter how it damages the game, the company, and the industry in the long run.
no, you do not have to..... that is a choice you make, you are not forced to do it.
You're making the same semantic argument over and over.
FIne,
we have to gamble on some of the most desirable items in the game, cosmetic or not, if we wish to obtain said items.
yes... and that is a choice you make. you said it yourself 'if we wish to obtain said items'
no one is forcing that choice on you.
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MadLarkin✭✭✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »Savos_Saren wrote: »Hallothiel wrote: »You know that you don't HAVE to buy the crates you know. They are optional.
That is not (nor has it ever been) the point. The point is that every new feature that has come to ESO recently has been designed with the sole purpose of shoving people to the store over and over. Its just insulting is all. Base game price, paid DLC, "chapters," ESO+, account services, cosmetics, mounts, $100 time-limited homes, crates, crate items that can't be bought with gems, etc. Where does it end? How many different ways do people need to pay in order to just have access to everything the game has to offer without being redirected back towards the store constantly?
Yeah- because it’s a good business model to give everything away for free.
I did not say that, nor have I ever. Don't misconstrue my argument. I was fine with paying for the core game, whatever DLC I wanted, cosmetics from the store occasionally, and had no problem with ESO+ and being charged for account services (even though that's more of a F2P model). But shoving the most desirable mounts into crates that, for the majority of the buyers, will cost more to obtain (by a huge margin) than if they were just put directly into the store, is astoundingly transparent as something that has no one but the shareholders in mind. It sure as hell isn't for our benefit that we have to gamble on some of the most desirable items in the game, cosmetic or not. All of this stuff could be reasonably priced, put in the store for direct purchase, without time limits on them (or rotations if we want the artificial scarcity that bad), but the new business model of major publishers is to push the goodwill of your customers and fleece as much money from them as you can, no matter how it damages the game, the company, and the industry in the long run.
no, you do not have to..... that is a choice you make, you are not forced to do it.
You're making the same semantic argument over and over.
FIne,
we have to gamble on some of the most desirable items in the game, cosmetic or not, if we wish to obtain said items.
yes... and that is a choice you make. you said it yourself 'if we wish to obtain said items'
no one is forcing that choice on you.
it is just pixels.
We're going in circles here. Its not about the choice or the pixels. Its about anti-consumer practices and my desire to call them exactly that. Its that simple. If something is scummy, I don't care if its something in which I can choose not to participate, I'm still going to call it scummy.16 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Savos_Saren wrote: »Hallothiel wrote: »You know that you don't HAVE to buy the crates you know. They are optional.
That is not (nor has it ever been) the point. The point is that every new feature that has come to ESO recently has been designed with the sole purpose of shoving people to the store over and over. Its just insulting is all. Base game price, paid DLC, "chapters," ESO+, account services, cosmetics, mounts, $100 time-limited homes, crates, crate items that can't be bought with gems, etc. Where does it end? How many different ways do people need to pay in order to just have access to everything the game has to offer without being redirected back towards the store constantly?
Yeah- because it’s a good business model to give everything away for free.
I did not say that, nor have I ever. Don't misconstrue my argument. I was fine with paying for the core game, whatever DLC I wanted, cosmetics from the store occasionally, and had no problem with ESO+ and being charged for account services (even though that's more of a F2P model). But shoving the most desirable mounts into crates that, for the majority of the buyers, will cost more to obtain (by a huge margin) than if they were just put directly into the store, is astoundingly transparent as something that has no one but the shareholders in mind. It sure as hell isn't for our benefit that we have to gamble on some of the most desirable items in the game, cosmetic or not. All of this stuff could be reasonably priced, put in the store for direct purchase, without time limits on them (or rotations if we want the artificial scarcity that bad), but the new business model of major publishers is to push the goodwill of your customers and fleece as much money from them as you can, no matter how it damages the game, the company, and the industry in the long run.
My personal opinion is unless that mount in the crown crate is faster than the one I got with gold in game then it doesn't hurt the game at all. Some people are willing to pay a hundred dollars or more to ride a wolf, some are not. We are not forced either way. Just like some people are willing to pay a couple of thousand dollars for a pair of *** shoes they will never wear and some people are not. Some people have only the basic programming on cable or satellite television others get the premium package. They are not forced into one or the other.
ESO is providing us with choices. They could go back to no crown crates and requiring a subscription to play. That would be forcing all of us into paying an amount we may or may not be comfortable with. The way it is now we get to choose how much we will spend on the game.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."9 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVQ8byG2mY8 Wrobel when magDK mainers arrive at his house "The ass is similar to the opinion: Everyone has it, but no one cares about the others!"
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✭✭✭✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »Hallothiel wrote: »You know that you don't HAVE to buy the crates you know. They are optional.
That is not (nor has it ever been) the point. The point is that every new feature that has come to ESO recently has been designed with the sole purpose of shoving people to the store over and over. Its just insulting is all. Base game price, paid DLC, "chapters," ESO+, account services, cosmetics, mounts, $100 time-limited homes, crates, crate items that can't be bought with gems, etc. Where does it end? How many different ways do people need to pay in order to just have access to everything the game has to offer without being redirected back towards the store constantly?
and still you don't have to buy any of it...
In fairness, this game is barely playable without ESO plus, and the chapters and DLC are hardly optional if you want to experience all of the game has to offer. But then again, you dont HAVE to do anything.
ok... fair point. let me know if you want an agree or an awesome - no that is not sarcasm.
but there is a distinct and profound difference between eso+ and crown crates .... to equate the two is disingenuous at best and, to avoid the disapproval of the mods, dishonest at worst.
the bottom line always for this and every other product on the planet is turnover - does it make money?
i'll concede that the crates do make uneasy but, leaving aside the sub and content, the rest is just fluff.
Yeah, of course there is, and most of the rest is just fluff as you stated. Crown crates distinguish themselves because it is in fact gambling, i.e., you dont know exactly what you are buying until its bought. Obviously, this post was meant to be comical, but like you, the crates do make me uneasy. I have a good job and self control, so I am comfortable buying a few each patch, but I do think these can be problematic for some people. I work with addicts IRL, and gambling addictions can be just as powerful and destructive as drug addictions.
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✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »Savos_Saren wrote: »Hallothiel wrote: »You know that you don't HAVE to buy the crates you know. They are optional.
That is not (nor has it ever been) the point. The point is that every new feature that has come to ESO recently has been designed with the sole purpose of shoving people to the store over and over. Its just insulting is all. Base game price, paid DLC, "chapters," ESO+, account services, cosmetics, mounts, $100 time-limited homes, crates, crate items that can't be bought with gems, etc. Where does it end? How many different ways do people need to pay in order to just have access to everything the game has to offer without being redirected back towards the store constantly?
Yeah- because it’s a good business model to give everything away for free.
I did not say that, nor have I ever. Don't misconstrue my argument. I was fine with paying for the core game, whatever DLC I wanted, cosmetics from the store occasionally, and had no problem with ESO+ and being charged for account services (even though that's more of a F2P model). But shoving the most desirable mounts into crates that, for the majority of the buyers, will cost more to obtain (by a huge margin) than if they were just put directly into the store, is astoundingly transparent as something that has no one but the shareholders in mind. It sure as hell isn't for our benefit that we have to gamble on some of the most desirable items in the game, cosmetic or not. All of this stuff could be reasonably priced, put in the store for direct purchase, without time limits on them (or rotations if we want the artificial scarcity that bad), but the new business model of major publishers is to push the goodwill of your customers and fleece as much money from them as you can, no matter how it damages the game, the company, and the industry in the long run.
no, you do not have to..... that is a choice you make, you are not forced to do it.
You're making the same semantic argument over and over.
FIne,
we have to gamble on some of the most desirable items in the game, cosmetic or not, if we wish to obtain said items.
yes... and that is a choice you make. you said it yourself 'if we wish to obtain said items'
no one is forcing that choice on you.
it is just pixels.
We're going in circles here. Its not about the choice or the pixels. Its about anti-consumer practices and my desire to call them exactly that. Its that simple. If something is scummy, I don't care if its something in which I can choose not to participate, I'm still going to call it scummy.
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✭✭✭✭✭Hallothiel wrote: »You know that you don't HAVE to buy the crates you know. They are optional.
People say this and I always think to myself, do they truly believe what they wrote or misunderstand why customers complain about them. They aren’t optional.....they are as optional as the way to access costume or mount dlc content but have added a game of chance.
Customers buy things for this game because they want access to said virtual items. The only way to access them is to gamble, so it’s not correct to say it’s optional.
Perhaps you mean to say these items aren’t required to play or progress in the game. For certain there is only but one way to access these so it’s not optional-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭✭I'll make a point of doing what I need to to get the free crates, as I have always done, but it won't send me to the Crown store for more 'goodies' as I don't need them.
As an ESO+ subscriber, I have 22k in crowns and nothing I really want to buy with them other than character slots 14 and 15. I can't even find any costumes I want to spend them on and all mounts perform the same function, so why buy one?Australian on PS4 NA server.
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MadLarkin✭✭✭✭Savos_Saren wrote: »Hallothiel wrote: »You know that you don't HAVE to buy the crates you know. They are optional.
That is not (nor has it ever been) the point. The point is that every new feature that has come to ESO recently has been designed with the sole purpose of shoving people to the store over and over. Its just insulting is all. Base game price, paid DLC, "chapters," ESO+, account services, cosmetics, mounts, $100 time-limited homes, crates, crate items that can't be bought with gems, etc. Where does it end? How many different ways do people need to pay in order to just have access to everything the game has to offer without being redirected back towards the store constantly?
Yeah- because it’s a good business model to give everything away for free.
I did not say that, nor have I ever. Don't misconstrue my argument. I was fine with paying for the core game, whatever DLC I wanted, cosmetics from the store occasionally, and had no problem with ESO+ and being charged for account services (even though that's more of a F2P model). But shoving the most desirable mounts into crates that, for the majority of the buyers, will cost more to obtain (by a huge margin) than if they were just put directly into the store, is astoundingly transparent as something that has no one but the shareholders in mind. It sure as hell isn't for our benefit that we have to gamble on some of the most desirable items in the game, cosmetic or not. All of this stuff could be reasonably priced, put in the store for direct purchase, without time limits on them (or rotations if we want the artificial scarcity that bad), but the new business model of major publishers is to push the goodwill of your customers and fleece as much money from them as you can, no matter how it damages the game, the company, and the industry in the long run.
My personal opinion is unless that mount in the crown crate is faster than the one I got with gold in game then it doesn't hurt the game at all. Some people are willing to pay a hundred dollars or more to ride a wolf, some are not. We are not forced either way. Just like some people are willing to pay a couple of thousand dollars for a pair of *** shoes they will never wear and some people are not. Some people have only the basic programming on cable or satellite television others get the premium package. They are not forced into one or the other.
ESO is providing us with choices. They could go back to no crown crates and requiring a subscription to play. That would be forcing all of us into paying an amount we may or may not be comfortable with. The way it is now we get to choose how much we will spend on the game.
Couple things to consider about this.
1) Was the previous business model failing that badly that they needed to supplement their revenue with gambling crates?
2) Its not as though they've added less avenues of profit over the game's life span. Quite the opposite. Especially with the addition of housing and chapters.
3) I feel very confident all of these awesome mounts could have just been put directly into the store and they still would have sold like hotcakes. But, the majority of the people that desired them wouldn't have had to pay hundreds or even thousands of dollars in order to obtain them so that wasn't good enough.8 -
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✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »Savos_Saren wrote: »Hallothiel wrote: »You know that you don't HAVE to buy the crates you know. They are optional.
That is not (nor has it ever been) the point. The point is that every new feature that has come to ESO recently has been designed with the sole purpose of shoving people to the store over and over. Its just insulting is all. Base game price, paid DLC, "chapters," ESO+, account services, cosmetics, mounts, $100 time-limited homes, crates, crate items that can't be bought with gems, etc. Where does it end? How many different ways do people need to pay in order to just have access to everything the game has to offer without being redirected back towards the store constantly?
Yeah- because it’s a good business model to give everything away for free.
I did not say that, nor have I ever. Don't misconstrue my argument. I was fine with paying for the core game, whatever DLC I wanted, cosmetics from the store occasionally, and had no problem with ESO+ and being charged for account services (even though that's more of a F2P model). But shoving the most desirable mounts into crates that, for the majority of the buyers, will cost more to obtain (by a huge margin) than if they were just put directly into the store, is astoundingly transparent as something that has no one but the shareholders in mind. It sure as hell isn't for our benefit that we have to gamble on some of the most desirable items in the game, cosmetic or not. All of this stuff could be reasonably priced, put in the store for direct purchase, without time limits on them (or rotations if we want the artificial scarcity that bad), but the new business model of major publishers is to push the goodwill of your customers and fleece as much money from them as you can, no matter how it damages the game, the company, and the industry in the long run.
no, you do not have to..... that is a choice you make, you are not forced to do it.
You're making the same semantic argument over and over.
FIne,
we have to gamble on some of the most desirable items in the game, cosmetic or not, if we wish to obtain said items.
yes... and that is a choice you make. you said it yourself 'if we wish to obtain said items'
no one is forcing that choice on you.
it is just pixels.
We're going in circles here. Its not about the choice or the pixels. Its about anti-consumer practices and my desire to call them exactly that. Its that simple. If something is scummy, I don't care if its something in which I can choose not to participate, I'm still going to call it scummy.
how is choice an anti-consumer practice?
Some people just live for the butthurt.3
