Nightblade passive Hemorrhage bugged and not working.

Minno · March 2018

ManDraKE wrote: »

Please, nerf the healing of the class with worst healing in the game. Our heals not even moving the health bar while defiled wasn't enought.

Hang tight I think I was able to get Gina to bug the team about this. (Pun intended)

Own · March 2018

Minno wrote: »

l3alls wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys, apologies for the confusion here. We actually had a fix for Hemorrhage in Update 17 (with Dragon Bones) so it now only procs off Critical Damage.

Then why does the templar passive, piercing spear, that does the same thing, add 10% crit hit damage, apply to heals? And the shadow mundas, it reads "increases your critical damage done by x" and it still applies to heals. What about the hemorrhage passive needed fixing but these did not?

And thanks for the clarification.

Agreed. The rest of class passives like this should be changed quickly as well as shadow.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Lol just because NBs are getting nerfed doesn't mean I want Templars to accept this Nerf; especially since we don't have an on demand burst, major defile on a hard hitting cheap ultimate, or minor beserk.

What will probably happen is the tooltips will change how they are worded. You'll probably see "increases critical DMG and critical healing" for abilities they want to have both and "critical DMG only" for abilities they want the DMG only.

This is likely the first salvo in a string of NB nerfs for the next chapter (as much as I want other classes buffed more).

I have suspected that Crit damage modifiers were not supposed to affect heals for a while. I've previously reported this issue, and agree with the change. It should be all passives, shadow mundus stone, etc. I main a nightblade now and welcome this change.

ZOS_GinaBruno · March 2018

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys, apologies for the confusion here. We actually had a fix for Hemorrhage in Update 17 (with Dragon Bones) so it now only procs off Critical Damage.

Then why does the templar passive, piercing spear, that does the same thing, add 10% crit hit damage, apply to heals? And the shadow mundas, it reads "increases your critical damage done by x" and it still applies to heals. What about the hemorrhage passive needed fixing but these did not?

And thanks for the clarification.

Piercing Spear shouldn't actually affect healing either; that will be adjusted in the next update.

Minno · March 2018

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys, apologies for the confusion here. We actually had a fix for Hemorrhage in Update 17 (with Dragon Bones) so it now only procs off Critical Damage.

Then why does the templar passive, piercing spear, that does the same thing, add 10% crit hit damage, apply to heals? And the shadow mundas, it reads "increases your critical damage done by x" and it still applies to heals. What about the hemorrhage passive needed fixing but these did not?

And thanks for the clarification.

Piercing Spear shouldn't actually affect healing either; that will be adjusted in the next update.

Thanks @ZOS_GinaBruno!. Sad to see though, because of the fact Templar lost major mending because our heals were overperforming. Will the team be looking at compensating by giving back healing buffs to both Templar+NB?

Minno · March 2018

l3alls wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

l3alls wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys, apologies for the confusion here. We actually had a fix for Hemorrhage in Update 17 (with Dragon Bones) so it now only procs off Critical Damage.

Then why does the templar passive, piercing spear, that does the same thing, add 10% crit hit damage, apply to heals? And the shadow mundas, it reads "increases your critical damage done by x" and it still applies to heals. What about the hemorrhage passive needed fixing but these did not?

And thanks for the clarification.

Agreed. The rest of class passives like this should be changed quickly as well as shadow.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Lol just because NBs are getting nerfed doesn't mean I want Templars to accept this Nerf; especially since we don't have an on demand burst, major defile on a hard hitting cheap ultimate, or minor beserk.

What will probably happen is the tooltips will change how they are worded. You'll probably see "increases critical DMG and critical healing" for abilities they want to have both and "critical DMG only" for abilities they want the DMG only.

This is likely the first salvo in a string of NB nerfs for the next chapter (as much as I want other classes buffed more).

I have suspected that Crit damage modifiers were not supposed to affect heals for a while. I've previously reported this issue, and agree with the change. It should be all passives, shadow mundus stone, etc. I main a nightblade now and welcome this change.

I'd welcome it, as well, but templars had multiple nerfs regarding our healing and this change should accompany a buff to our healing elsewhere.

James-Wayne · March 2018

altemriel wrote: »

Astrid_V wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

If it's true, it should be fixed IMMEDIATELY!
It's game breaking bug for all nightblades and may cause huge DPS loss.

HOW TO HELL DO YOU ALWAYS MANAGE TO INTRODUCE NEW MAJOR BUGS WITH EVERY PATCH ZOS, THIS IS REALLY GETTING RIDICULOUS!

Its not a Elder Scrolls game without bugs ☺

WrathOfInnos · March 2018

Lol, as if Templars needed a nerf.

Why can't these passives work like the shadow stone and Elfborn CP? Or are those going to be damage only too?

Edit: Forgot to mention those overpowered nightblade healers that you see everywhere. Cutting their effectiveness by about 5% was necessary and planned?

Neoauspex · March 2018

Oh good. Templar nerfs on the horizon. Who would've guessed?

Septimus_Magna · March 2018

Neoauspex wrote: »

Oh good. Templar nerfs on the horizon. Who would've guessed?

Every Templar main?

Domander · March 2018

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys, apologies for the confusion here. We actually had a fix for Hemorrhage in Update 17 (with Dragon Bones) so it now only procs off Critical Damage.

Then why does the templar passive, piercing spear, that does the same thing, add 10% crit hit damage, apply to heals? And the shadow mundas, it reads "increases your critical damage done by x" and it still applies to heals. What about the hemorrhage passive needed fixing but these did not?

And thanks for the clarification.

Piercing Spear shouldn't actually affect healing either; that will be adjusted in the next update.

It should increase healing to be consistent with the rest of the game. It also requires an Aedric spear ability to be on bar.

aeowulf · March 2018

I'm happy to see any & all fixes going in, I don't think classes can be looked at properly from a balance perspective until they are all fixed.

technohic · March 2018

I guess on the bright side for Templar; no more having to find a spot for a spear ability on the healing bar.

Zaldan · March 2018

LOL nightblade passive is bugged and Templar get nerf, brilliant

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · March 2018

Zaldan wrote: »

LOL nightblade passive is bugged and Templar get nerf, brilliant

Apparently hemorrhage is not bugged, they intended that healing is not impacted. After four years of it being like that.

Minno · March 2018

aeowulf wrote: »

I'm happy to see any & all fixes going in, I don't think classes can be looked at properly from a balance perspective until they are all fixed.

I agree, they are fixed some stuff that was broken.

But flipside, they aren't going to revert nerfs made because they balanced the game off access to such high healing through crits:
- major mending lost on Templars and sweeps heal nerfed because we had major mending.
- no healing passives for group play for nightblades (assuming you don't come minor mending from the skill that causes unresisted DMG, which no one uses)
- specific healing nerfs to spells like BoL

The list can go on. All of those would need review and testing plus changing of elfborn and other crit DMG abilities. They should have just changed the tooltips; would have taken an intern an hour to do compared to the amount of work they just added lol.

usmcjdking · March 2018

If this nerf goes through, you will have nerfed Templar so much that it will have become weaker than every other class at healing sans Sorcerer.

Minno · March 2018

usmcjdking wrote: »

If this nerf goes through, you will have nerfed Templar so much that it will have become weaker than every other class at healing sans Sorcerer.

But hey, at least we have a realhealing tree. Sorcs have to play with animals lol

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · March 2018

@Joy_Division thoughts on piercing spear CHD not working on heals?

Joy_Division · March 2018

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

@Joy_Division thoughts on piercing spear CHD not working on heals?

I'm not sure why in everything "damage" is equivalent to healing .... except here.

@usmcjdking is right. For the "healer" class, templars have pretty lousy incoming heals. They are forced to use Sweeps to have a decent HoT and even that's pathetic right now because Sweep's damage is bugged and the heals have been nerfed too many times.

Domander · March 2018

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys, apologies for the confusion here. We actually had a fix for Hemorrhage in Update 17 (with Dragon Bones) so it now only procs off Critical Damage.

Then why does the templar passive, piercing spear, that does the same thing, add 10% crit hit damage, apply to heals? And the shadow mundas, it reads "increases your critical damage done by x" and it still applies to heals. What about the hemorrhage passive needed fixing but these did not?

And thanks for the clarification.

Piercing Spear shouldn't actually affect healing either; that will be adjusted in the next update.

It would be pretty crappy if you guys "fix" this before all the other bugs, especially the ones introduced with this last dlc.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · March 2018

@Gilliamtherogue thoughts on the class passives of NB and temps not providing the extra 10% for heals, only damage?

Minno · March 2018

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

@Gilliamtherogue thoughts on the class passives of NB and temps not providing the extra 10% for heals, only damage?

Just so you know, it's going to impact all crit DMG passives/abilities/sources, not just NB/Temps. Gina still owes the community an official writeup, but that's what I've been told.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · March 2018

Minno wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

@Gilliamtherogue thoughts on the class passives of NB and temps not providing the extra 10% for heals, only damage?

Just so you know, it's going to impact all crit DMG passives/abilities/sources, not just NB/Temps. Gina still owes the community an official writeup, but that's what I've been told.

Been told by whom?

Minno · March 2018

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

@Gilliamtherogue thoughts on the class passives of NB and temps not providing the extra 10% for heals, only damage?

Just so you know, it's going to impact all crit DMG passives/abilities/sources, not just NB/Temps. Gina still owes the community an official writeup, but that's what I've been told.

Been told by whom?

Gina.

Gilliamtherogue · March 2018

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

@Gilliamtherogue thoughts on the class passives of NB and temps not providing the extra 10% for heals, only damage?

On one hand it helps lower the total amount of healing amps in the game, which will help balance PvP a lot (although that means Befouled CP needs to be adjusted as well).

On the other hand it totally sucks that strengths of some classes are being taken away for no real reason, other than to seemingly match the tooltip more coherently. Odd that they chose to change this when other tooltips flat out lie or give complete misinformation.

Rittings · March 2018

Can confirm this also. Huge drop in dps..

Rittings · March 2018

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys, apologies for the confusion here. We actually had a fix for Hemorrhage in Update 17 (with Dragon Bones) so it now only procs off Critical Damage.

So basically, the Magicka NB is now firmly on the bottom of the DPS pile again... Nice to know as a that's my primary.

Animus-ESO · March 2018

Rittings wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey guys, apologies for the confusion here. We actually had a fix for Hemorrhage in Update 17 (with Dragon Bones) so it now only procs off Critical Damage.

So basically, the Magicka NB is now firmly on the bottom of the DPS pile again... Nice to know as a that's my primary.

Bro. No you are not even close to the bottom of DPS. Mag warden is, and templar. mNB is near the top with sorc.

exeeter702 · March 2018

A significant nerf to nb healing. But there actual hps was higher than every other healer when properly set up to heal, so no a big deal.

Minno · March 2018

exeeter702 wrote: »

A significant nerf to nb healing. But there actual hps was higher than every other healer when properly set up to heal, so no a big deal.

Link to a build? Might turn my nightblade to a healer