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makreth wrote: »

Someone in my guild said that another additional nb passive is broken along with hemorrhage. Can anybody confirm this?

what passive exactly? i didn't see any other problem.

Why would it work for heals. The tooltip clearly states it increases critical DAMAGE

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Why would it work for heals. The tooltip clearly states it increases critical DAMAGE

MaleAmazon wrote: »

Right, and judging by the wording it shouldnt work for heals.

This passive and Templars peircing spear passive (which I have tested in the new patch and piercing spear is just fine) have ALWAYS increases both your crit hit Damage (this is just want zos calls this stat, just like how "spell damage" increases your base heals as well as the actual damage you do). This is intended and a FEATURE. ALWAYS.

Hokiewa wrote: »

Well that's a bummer but the OP should be aware that Hemmorrhage does not affect magicka abilities, only stamina ones. This particular passive has been wonky for me for over 6 months

This has never been the case. It is ALWAYS worked for both magic Damage and stamina based damage. As long as you have an assassination skill slotted on the bar you have activate. Unless you are talking about the minor savagery, the 3% weapon crit *chance* you give to you and the your group, then no kidding. I am talking about the crit hit damage part of the passive.

Hokiewa wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Why would it work for heals. The tooltip clearly states it increases critical DAMAGE

MaleAmazon wrote: »

Right, and judging by the wording it shouldnt work for heals.

This passive and Templars peircing spear passive (which I have tested in the new patch and piercing spear is just fine) have ALWAYS increases both your crit hit Damage (this is just want zos calls this stat, just like how "spell damage" increases your base heals as well as the actual damage you do). This is intended and a FEATURE. ALWAYS.

Hokiewa wrote: »

Well that's a bummer but the OP should be aware that Hemmorrhage does not affect magicka abilities, only stamina ones. This particular passive has been wonky for me for over 6 months

This has never been the case. It is ALWAYS worked for both magic Damage and stamina based damage. As long as you have an assassination skill slotted on the bar you have activate. Unless you are talking about the minor savagery, the 3% weapon crit *chance* you give to you and the your group, then no kidding. I am talking about the crit hit damage part of the passive.

Well then it's been bugged for a long time, I've never had it increase crit damage on a magblade. I originally thought the 5/10% should work on all but the group buff clearly states weapon critical and does not include spell critical.

What are you talking about? I think you are confused.

There are 2 separate effects of the passive, hemorrhage, one is an increase of the percentage that your regular damage is multiplyed by when you hit a critical. This is called your "critical hit damage", base is 50%, Templars and nightblades are the only two classes that have an in class passive the increase this number by 10%, the peircing spear passive and the Hemorrhage passive respectively. This increase impacts healing and damage, both stam and magic based.

You seem to have that part confused with the second part, "Dealing Critical Damage grants you and your group Minor Savagery, increasing your Weapon Critical rating by 657 for 20 seconds." This part raises you critical chance for weapon critical based attacks and has no impact on spell critical based attack.

Hokiewa wrote: »

No, I understand the second part perfectly. The first part, on a magblade, I never saw any increase in crit damage with 2 pts in the skill. My crit damage with the skill and without the skill was always the same. It was readily apparent when using the spectral bow.

But I'll try it again once it's been fixed lol. Thanks

Of course you would "never saw any increase in crit damage with 2 pts in the skill" because the skill is one of the six that you need to slot to get the extra CHD, so it would always be the same number unless you somehow did not have skill points into the passive, tested grim focus and then put points into the passive, then tried grim focus again but this would be the hard way that to test.

The best way to test would be to take all assassination skills off your bar, then hit a dummy, then put a assassination skill on your bar, then hit a dummy. Then repeat with heals.


To get your crit hit damage, you simply divide your crits by the non crits. Like 3000 crit / 2000 non crit = 1.5

Jaxaxo wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

makreth wrote: »

Someone in my guild said that another additional nb passive is broken along with hemorrhage. Can anybody confirm this?

what passive exactly? i didn't see any other problem.

Executioner passive. Not sure if it's intended, but passive start working AFTER dealing dmg, not during. It means if u execute sombeody (with only 1 execute) u wont get resources back. U need 2, to get resources (first triggers passive, second is for killing blow)

That is @aeowulf s baby and has been like that since they changed it to return stam or mag. So that is not new. The hemorrhage passive not working is.

aeowulf wrote: »

this should prob be in bug report forum, just had a quick scan & didn't see it, but there's like 2 pages of updated threads just from today so may of missed it

I didn't put it there because I wanted to have people actually see it and comment.

MaleAmazon wrote: »

This has never been the case. It is ALWAYS worked for both magic Damage and stamina based damage. As long as you have an assassination skill slotted on the bar you have activate. Unless you are talking about the minor savagery, the 3% weapon crit *chance* you give to you and the your group, then no kidding. I am talking about the crit hit damage part of the passive.

I dont know how it used to work, I just know what it says on description. "(WITH AN ASSASSINATION ABILITY SLOTTED) Increases your Critical Damage done by 10%. " AFAIK healing done and damage done are separate, though yes spell damage and weapon damage affect damage+heal with abilities (which it also says in-game i believe).

You know wrong. The only time they are separate is in set bonuses, ie 2% healing done, and in the CP system, blessed and elemental expert impact the base for healing and magic based damage, elf born impacts both healing and damage that is magic based. Same with Stam, blessed will increase the base stam healing as well and precise strikes is the CP node that increases Stam healing skills and damage CHD.

Weisstag wrote: »

Well i was wondering why my DELAYED spectral bow hits for 7k less

yeah for sure because you would hit a 70k spectral bow mhmm