WhoThenNow7 wrote: »

CP BG was filled with immortal healing tanks. I just don't understand why some people prefer that.

Izariel wrote: »

STAM NB are the most OP class in pvp with the ability to 2-3 shot most casual pvp players.

Stahlor wrote: »

...because thats the way to win "capture the flag" and similar stupid battle ground modes. Why doesn't Zenimax let you select the bg mode you want to play?

technohic wrote: »

Some NBs have already suggested some changes to cloak to make it not a spammable defense but truly reserved for escape. You can feel something coming and I personally get to where I don't want to play a class that I think will wind up being gutted rather than slightly tweaked.

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Joy_Division wrote: »

NBs aren;t going to want to hear this, but they are easily the class that best deals with the no CP.

So ZoS massively nerfs every class such that their power is reliant on a bunch of generic % bonuses and DLC accessible gear. Then ZoS implements a format that keeps the nerfs, takes away the % bonuses, and you need regeneration more than those DLC sets.

Yeah, give me the class that has an escape mechanism independent of power scaling (cloak, teleport), the best innate resource management, and a burst not dependent on gear sets

This. Pretty much. Everyone else stopped playing when they took away CP BG’s. I haven’t queued up since the DB patch landed.

Here's what bothers the @#$& outta me, practically only @Joy_Division voiced their opinion about BGs staying CP. There was a bunch of people making posts saying they wanted no CP, so ZoS made it no CP

NOW the CP crowd comes outta the wood works! Where were they during the plethora of no CP threads??

Lexxypwns wrote: »

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Ragnarock41 wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

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mursie wrote: »

@Lexxypwns said it best. The natural predator to a nightblade is another nightblade. piercing mark is devastating imho.

I love that moment when the NB starts to panic because he’s lacking adequate defense besides cloak, its palpable.

There’s nothing I enjoy more than seeing a bunch of stamblades in a BG, that’s when it’s time to do work

Nothing is better than soul assaulting stamblades and read all their ragewhispers of what they think about you.

Stamblade tears are like Fergie mixed with Jesus. I killed a particularly annoying(and terrible) stamblade today with 2h light attacks on my mageblade, I got a 6 minute long voice message from him via Xbox... I’m gonna set it to music and have it played at my funeral

Well i can understand it when people who get free kills with not many risks attached to it get mad when they lose fights

This was what seemed to be a grown ass adult male and he literally went nuts, screaming with his voice cracking and telling me how terrible I am and how there’s no way a mageblade should ever slot mark over ele drain unless he’s trash... never mind that I’m 2h/resto

Nightblades who get salty because you slot mark are the best.

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Lexxypwns wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

NBs aren;t going to want to hear this, but they are easily the class that best deals with the no CP.

So ZoS massively nerfs every class such that their power is reliant on a bunch of generic % bonuses and DLC accessible gear. Then ZoS implements a format that keeps the nerfs, takes away the % bonuses, and you need regeneration more than those DLC sets.

Yeah, give me the class that has an escape mechanism independent of power scaling (cloak, teleport), the best innate resource management, and a burst not dependent on gear sets

This. Pretty much. Everyone else stopped playing when they took away CP BG’s. I haven’t queued up since the DB patch landed.

Here's what bothers the @#$& outta me, practically only @Joy_Division voiced their opinion about BGs staying CP. There was a bunch of people making posts saying they wanted no CP, so ZoS made it no CP


NOW the CP crowd comes outta the wood works! Where were they during the plethora of no CP threads??

No CP is still better because despite imbalances the fights are more fast paced which makes game modes like chaosball, dom, and CTR have a more playable pace.

There was class imbalance before and now it’s just shifted a different way.

I agree on this, no-cp is a lot better and healthier, ZOS should balance the game based on no-cp then balance CP seperately, which imo the only way to reach perfect PvP balance in this game.

And I honestly don't buy the ''nbs are only strong in no-cp'' crap. They are a very dominant dueling class now, and duels aren't set for no-cp obviously.

It depends on what type a nightblade you are talking about. Magblade is a top tier dueling class. Stamblade is a little meh for duels, really just middle of the pack.

magblade is top tier for sure. stamblade is a lot burstier than a magblade, but magblade is just too hard to kill with all the heals going on+cloak+not even mentioning how stronk resto staff is.

I dunno - mag blade is pretty bursty. But I think with mag blade the burst doesn’t usually come at the very beginning of the fight. Mag blades are a bit like wardens and mag sorcs in that they need to line up their burst.

This is true, but with shadow image working everyone is just at the mageblades mercy and with the new merciless changes you actually get a lot of opportunities to open a fight with a heavy-incap-will combo

That explains why I was getting wrecked by a mNB this morning. It was on inc in a BG and I’m so used to not worrying about burst until 5s or 6s into the fight. TIL.

Those merciless changes were really slept on for PVP, imo. Particularly ranged mageblades can easily keep themselves in combat while not active trying to fight using cripple, mark, DoT poisons, funnel heals, etc, I’ve actually seen my burst end up catching a lot of people that seemed to have your exact mindset.

Mageblade is definitely as strong as it’s every been and has a good argument for being the best spec in game, it’s certainly the most versatile and it comes with built in counters to stam NB and stam warden

I don’t think that’s necessarily true. The issue is though that a lot of NBs on the forum are very good at downplaying the class. When the merciless changes were announced there were a lot of posts saying that it doesn’t change much. Certainly, if you talk about the top players the changes didn’t do much because they didn’t miss weaves anyway. But it was a huge buff to your average Nightblade that didn’t play as perfectly and had stacks drop off regularly.

If you follow the forum you could think NBs are the worst class in game, getting always nerfs and never buffs. That’s what irks me the most about it - the absolute dishonesty of most forum NBs.

That's not exclusive to nightblade though most people on the forums will come here and say their class is weak when in reality that's not the case. All the classes are pretty good right now. You can be competitive on all the classes. At this point in the game if a player is dying it's a skill issue or a build issue, and not a class issue. Most players would like to believe their class is bad before they believe that maybe they just need a little practice

In a no-CP environment I don’t feel that’s true. In order for a stam sorc or dk to kill me alone on mageblade I feel like I’ve been outplayed pretty hard, stamplar requires me to control the fight or die on the other hand. Among magika classes only dk and warden feel threatening but even then it feels more like the outcome is decided by if I take control of the fight. And I’m far from the best mageblade.

Edit: every class is viable as part of a 4 man team that works together in a BG, but as far as being able to get solo kills against decent players, which is critical to crazy King and DM, there’s some specs I wouldn’t to play

Subversus wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

NBs aren;t going to want to hear this, but they are easily the class that best deals with the no CP.

So ZoS massively nerfs every class such that their power is reliant on a bunch of generic % bonuses and DLC accessible gear. Then ZoS implements a format that keeps the nerfs, takes away the % bonuses, and you need regeneration more than those DLC sets.

Yeah, give me the class that has an escape mechanism independent of power scaling (cloak, teleport), the best innate resource management, and a burst not dependent on gear sets

This. Pretty much. Everyone else stopped playing when they took away CP BG’s. I haven’t queued up since the DB patch landed.

Here's what bothers the @#$& outta me, practically only @Joy_Division voiced their opinion about BGs staying CP. There was a bunch of people making posts saying they wanted no CP, so ZoS made it no CP

NOW the CP crowd comes outta the wood works! Where were they during the plethora of no CP threads??

I don´t know. I´ve never played BGs much but chances of my queuing were higher with CP and i voiced that opinion a couple of times aswell.
Every time it resulted in getting swarmed by nonCP advocators and how my opinion was wrong.

I wouldn´t blame anyone for not voicing an unpopular opinion on these forums. I´m interested to see though if BGs will stay nonCP - because from what i have gathered people do not seem to be overly happy with them currently and queues haven´t really changed.

I know both people who completely avoided cp battlegrounds grounds and people who only played them when CP were enabled.
I played both of them for ~1 month straight and i have very mixed feelings about both.
I hated non cp bgs when i did them to get the 1000 kill achievement with my stamplar mainly because stamblades with procs completely wrecked me and stamwardens roflstomped everything.
I loved non cp when playing in balanced teams because fights against good players didn't took forever but they weren't unfair unless someone was running procs or poisons.

I loved CP BGs because i could finally win fights against cinbri+ whitestreak with a good friend of mine which was impossible before due to procs and poisons.
Also i could handle stamnbs much better or fights were one enemy entered the fight later on because i still had enough resources.

CP BGs sucked however when you had full tank teams which were unkillable and just stacked on objectives. Or when you had completely unbalanced teams.

With them being non cp again i noticed that not many good players go into bgs and 90% of the matches there I can simply roflstomp the enemies because they mostly consist of cp 200 guys with no impen or cp 720 pve players spamming volley or liquid lightning.
Also 3 game modes are really exhausting: Capture the relic almost always ends after 15 min because you have that ridiculous 3 second animation which gets interrupted all the time. And the crazy king game mode can only be won under 15 min when you control all flags as soon as they spawn. So you're stuck in the games for 15 min and depending on your team it simply gets frustrating.

Good points. Whenever I queue for BGs (cp or noCP) I just get so bored and turned off when I see crazy king, domination or capture the flag pop up on the loading screen. I really don't find those modes fun. All you do is try to avoid combat as much as possible while running from flag to flag, and if the enemy somewhat knows what they're doing and are guarding, for example, while your team is filled with plebs then it just becomes rage inducing.

Imo the only thing BGs have that's an issue is the queue system. Not CP or noCP, that's really whatever imo.
I just wish I could queue for solo instanced pvp without having to go against some full tryhard team screaming at each other on voice comms about whatever *** objective they're doing like it's the ESL grand finals in cs go. That's simply not fun to play against, nobody finds that fun ever. If they do, they're either lying or in a premade.

Before someone goes like "find a premade yourself": If BGs were meant to be played in a premade, I should not be allowed to queue solo to begin with.

Thogard wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

NBs aren;t going to want to hear this, but they are easily the class that best deals with the no CP.

So ZoS massively nerfs every class such that their power is reliant on a bunch of generic % bonuses and DLC accessible gear. Then ZoS implements a format that keeps the nerfs, takes away the % bonuses, and you need regeneration more than those DLC sets.

Yeah, give me the class that has an escape mechanism independent of power scaling (cloak, teleport), the best innate resource management, and a burst not dependent on gear sets

This. Pretty much. Everyone else stopped playing when they took away CP BG’s. I haven’t queued up since the DB patch landed.

Here's what bothers the @#$& outta me, practically only @Joy_Division voiced their opinion about BGs staying CP. There was a bunch of people making posts saying they wanted no CP, so ZoS made it no CP

NOW the CP crowd comes outta the wood works! Where were they during the plethora of no CP threads??

I don´t know. I´ve never played BGs much but chances of my queuing were higher with CP and i voiced that opinion a couple of times aswell.
Every time it resulted in getting swarmed by nonCP advocators and how my opinion was wrong.

I wouldn´t blame anyone for not voicing an unpopular opinion on these forums. I´m interested to see though if BGs will stay nonCP - because from what i have gathered people do not seem to be overly happy with them currently and queues haven´t really changed.

I know both people who completely avoided cp battlegrounds grounds and people who only played them when CP were enabled.
I played both of them for ~1 month straight and i have very mixed feelings about both.
I hated non cp bgs when i did them to get the 1000 kill achievement with my stamplar mainly because stamblades with procs completely wrecked me and stamwardens roflstomped everything.
I loved non cp when playing in balanced teams because fights against good players didn't took forever but they weren't unfair unless someone was running procs or poisons.

I loved CP BGs because i could finally win fights against cinbri+ whitestreak with a good friend of mine which was impossible before due to procs and poisons.
Also i could handle stamnbs much better or fights were one enemy entered the fight later on because i still had enough resources.

CP BGs sucked however when you had full tank teams which were unkillable and just stacked on objectives. Or when you had completely unbalanced teams.

With them being non cp again i noticed that not many good players go into bgs and 90% of the matches there I can simply roflstomp the enemies because they mostly consist of cp 200 guys with no impen or cp 720 pve players spamming volley or liquid lightning.
Also 3 game modes are really exhausting: Capture the relic almost always ends after 15 min because you have that ridiculous 3 second animation which gets interrupted all the time. And the crazy king game mode can only be won under 15 min when you control all flags as soon as they spawn. So you're stuck in the games for 15 min and depending on your team it simply gets frustrating.

Good points. Whenever I queue for BGs (cp or noCP) I just get so bored and turned off when I see crazy king, domination or capture the flag pop up on the loading screen. I really don't find those modes fun. All you do is try to avoid combat as much as possible while running from flag to flag, and if the enemy somewhat knows what they're doing and are guarding, for example, while your team is filled with plebs then it just becomes rage inducing.

Imo the only thing BGs have that's an issue is the queue system. Not CP or noCP, that's really whatever imo.
I just wish I could queue for solo instanced pvp without having to go against some full tryhard team screaming at each other on voice comms about whatever *** objective they're doing like it's the ESL grand finals in cs go. That's simply not fun to play against, nobody finds that fun ever. If they do, they're either lying or in a premade.

Before someone goes like "find a premade yourself": If BGs were meant to be played in a premade, I should not be allowed to queue solo to begin with.

This would fix so many problems. It would also make the BGs far more competitive, the matches far more interesting, and the skill development of newer players much faster.