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Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭please confirm is it a stamblade or magblades ?
Both. The numbers of both are through the roof at the moment. Hard to get a game without 2 NBs in each team. Stamblades always slightly more popular than magblades, though the latter group usually consists of a higher ratio of experienced/skilled players.
Population wise...DKs and Templars have decreased a fair bit. MagWardens have been obliterated, hardly see them any more. MagSorcs have maintained a loyal following. StamSorcs are on the rise a bit.
At least that's what I've observed on PC EU after 2-3 days of solid BG gaming. No hard facts behind it.
Edited by Maulkin on March 5, 2018 6:02PMEU | PC | AD2 -
technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well I can say that I am more tempted to run my magblade than my stamplar after fighting the gank. It's a lot easier to avoid being opened up on on the magblade, and as much fun as I have on my stamplar when I catch one on someone else, I can do that with my magblade as well and can slot mark if Im expecting to run into a lot of them0 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »NBs aren;t going to want to hear this, but they are easily the class that best deals with the no CP.
So ZoS massively nerfs every class such that their power is reliant on a bunch of generic % bonuses and DLC accessible gear. Then ZoS implements a format that keeps the nerfs, takes away the % bonuses, and you need regeneration more than those DLC sets.
Yeah, give me the class that has an escape mechanism independent of power scaling (cloak, teleport), the best innate resource management, and a burst not dependent on gear sets
This. Pretty much. Everyone else stopped playing when they took away CP BG’s. I haven’t queued up since the DB patch landed.
Here's what bothers the @#$& outta me, practically only @Joy_Division voiced their opinion about BGs staying CP. There was a bunch of people making posts saying they wanted no CP, so ZoS made it no CP
NOW the CP crowd comes outta the wood works! Where were they during the plethora of no CP threads??
No CP is still better because despite imbalances the fights are more fast paced which makes game modes like chaosball, dom, and CTR have a more playable pace.
There was class imbalance before and now it’s just shifted a different way.
I agree on this, no-cp is a lot better and healthier, ZOS should balance the game based on no-cp then balance CP seperately, which imo the only way to reach perfect PvP balance in this game.
And I honestly don't buy the ''nbs are only strong in no-cp'' crap. They are a very dominant dueling class now, and duels aren't set for no-cp obviously.
Balancing around non-cp would kill PvE and PvP.
Non cp only works as a magnifier for imbalances like cost poisons, class Balance or procs, balance them and things are fine.
But this highly depends on which side of the game you are, cp or non cp
balancing based on no-cp would result in some major buffs to classes like magsorc / stamDK.
Without the CP bonuses to their shields and healing/resistances, they are just dead without even fighting.
Especially stamDK with the lack of dot resistance/lack of block cost reduction, is not gonna be able to do anything without a dedicated purge spammer with him.
I realized I was able to play a lot efficiently when I had a healer with me in no-cp, but in CP It wasn't that neccesary, I could just afford to run purge even if I needed it so much.
and I do seriously believe it would be a good thing, to balance the game based on classes, instead of CP.. no-cp bgs are dominated by Nbs, but still its a lot better than all the cancer we had in CP bgs. Lets be honest, no-cp bgs just works better, and if the game was based the balance around classes first, CP later, instead of CP first, classes later, we would have people prefer no-cp cyrodiil a lot more too.
most of my friends in vivec say they are only there because they do not find the classes balanced for no-cp, and as you said ,stuff like cost poisons are also very cheesy in no-cp. But that is another topic, cost poisons are not balanced in CP either.Edited by Ragnarock41 on March 5, 2018 6:05PM4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Was playing in BGs last night. I thought to myself, "sure is a lot of NBs in here..."
Checked the players, out of the 12, 7 were NBs
Next match 6 of the 12 NBs
Next match 7 again were NBs
Next match 8 were NBs.
Slotted flare...
But, I remember ZoS being all about how many players use what and where.
Can't help but think there maybe a balance issue when over 50% of the playing field is one class while there are 5 available.
Do you see what I'm seeing?
Balance is ans should never be about one narrow aspect of the game. I’m not talking about the very small sample OP is mentioning, but it’s would certainly need to be more than a few matches.
It would need to look beginning if BGs and why. Heck, I can see one very good reason for NBs and it’s not a reason for a nerf.0 -
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✭@Lexxypwns said it best. The natural predator to a nightblade is another nightblade. piercing mark is devastating imho.
I love that moment when the NB starts to panic because he’s lacking adequate defense besides cloak, its palpable.
There’s nothing I enjoy more than seeing a bunch of stamblades in a BG, that’s when it’s time to do work
Nothing is better than soul assaulting stamblades and read all their ragewhispers of what they think about you.
Stamblade tears are like Fergie mixed with Jesus. I killed a particularly annoying(and terrible) stamblade today with 2h light attacks on my mageblade, I got a 6 minute long voice message from him via Xbox... I’m gonna set it to music and have it played at my funeral
Well i can understand it when people who get free kills with not many risks attached to it get mad when they lose fights
This was what seemed to be a grown ass adult male and he literally went nuts, screaming with his voice cracking and telling me how terrible I am and how there’s no way a mageblade should ever slot mark over ele drain unless he’s trash... never mind that I’m 2h/resto
Nightblades who get salty because you slot mark are the best.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »NBs aren;t going to want to hear this, but they are easily the class that best deals with the no CP.
So ZoS massively nerfs every class such that their power is reliant on a bunch of generic % bonuses and DLC accessible gear. Then ZoS implements a format that keeps the nerfs, takes away the % bonuses, and you need regeneration more than those DLC sets.
Yeah, give me the class that has an escape mechanism independent of power scaling (cloak, teleport), the best innate resource management, and a burst not dependent on gear sets
This. Pretty much. Everyone else stopped playing when they took away CP BG’s. I haven’t queued up since the DB patch landed.
Here's what bothers the @#$& outta me, practically only @Joy_Division voiced their opinion about BGs staying CP. There was a bunch of people making posts saying they wanted no CP, so ZoS made it no CP
NOW the CP crowd comes outta the wood works! Where were they during the plethora of no CP threads??
No CP is still better because despite imbalances the fights are more fast paced which makes game modes like chaosball, dom, and CTR have a more playable pace.
There was class imbalance before and now it’s just shifted a different way.
I agree on this, no-cp is a lot better and healthier, ZOS should balance the game based on no-cp then balance CP seperately, which imo the only way to reach perfect PvP balance in this game.
And I honestly don't buy the ''nbs are only strong in no-cp'' crap. They are a very dominant dueling class now, and duels aren't set for no-cp obviously.
It depends on what type a nightblade you are talking about. Magblade is a top tier dueling class. Stamblade is a little meh for duels, really just middle of the pack.0 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Was playing in BGs last night. I thought to myself, "sure is a lot of NBs in here..."
Checked the players, out of the 12, 7 were NBs
Next match 6 of the 12 NBs
Next match 7 again were NBs
Next match 8 were NBs.
Slotted flare...
But, I remember ZoS being all about how many players use what and where.
Can't help but think there maybe a balance issue when over 50% of the playing field is one class while there are 5 available.
Do you see what I'm seeing?
Balance is ans should never be about one narrow aspect of the game. I’m not talking about the very small sample OP is mentioning, but it’s would certainly need to be more than a few matches.
It would need to look beginning if BGs and why. Heck, I can see one very good reason for NBs and it’s not a reason for a nerf.
at this point I'm %90 sure nbs are gonna get the nerf hammer, Knowing ZOS they will leave broken cloak as it is and nerf everything else about the class, which is sad but already happened with three other classes, so I guess enjoy playing nbs before everything fun about your class gets hammered.Edited by Ragnarock41 on March 5, 2018 6:11PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I would like to point out (just to make sure)
This is not a nerf thread, just an observation and question.
I am surprised how many people are so quick on fotm for console.
How'd they all hear? I don't see them here0 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭thankyourat wrote: »@Lexxypwns said it best. The natural predator to a nightblade is another nightblade. piercing mark is devastating imho.
I love that moment when the NB starts to panic because he’s lacking adequate defense besides cloak, its palpable.
There’s nothing I enjoy more than seeing a bunch of stamblades in a BG, that’s when it’s time to do work
Nothing is better than soul assaulting stamblades and read all their ragewhispers of what they think about you.
Stamblade tears are like Fergie mixed with Jesus. I killed a particularly annoying(and terrible) stamblade today with 2h light attacks on my mageblade, I got a 6 minute long voice message from him via Xbox... I’m gonna set it to music and have it played at my funeral
Well i can understand it when people who get free kills with not many risks attached to it get mad when they lose fights
This was what seemed to be a grown ass adult male and he literally went nuts, screaming with his voice cracking and telling me how terrible I am and how there’s no way a mageblade should ever slot mark over ele drain unless he’s trash... never mind that I’m 2h/resto
Nightblades who get salty because you slot mark are the best.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »NBs aren;t going to want to hear this, but they are easily the class that best deals with the no CP.
So ZoS massively nerfs every class such that their power is reliant on a bunch of generic % bonuses and DLC accessible gear. Then ZoS implements a format that keeps the nerfs, takes away the % bonuses, and you need regeneration more than those DLC sets.
Yeah, give me the class that has an escape mechanism independent of power scaling (cloak, teleport), the best innate resource management, and a burst not dependent on gear sets
This. Pretty much. Everyone else stopped playing when they took away CP BG’s. I haven’t queued up since the DB patch landed.
Here's what bothers the @#$& outta me, practically only @Joy_Division voiced their opinion about BGs staying CP. There was a bunch of people making posts saying they wanted no CP, so ZoS made it no CP
NOW the CP crowd comes outta the wood works! Where were they during the plethora of no CP threads??
No CP is still better because despite imbalances the fights are more fast paced which makes game modes like chaosball, dom, and CTR have a more playable pace.
There was class imbalance before and now it’s just shifted a different way.
I agree on this, no-cp is a lot better and healthier, ZOS should balance the game based on no-cp then balance CP seperately, which imo the only way to reach perfect PvP balance in this game.
And I honestly don't buy the ''nbs are only strong in no-cp'' crap. They are a very dominant dueling class now, and duels aren't set for no-cp obviously.
It depends on what type a nightblade you are talking about. Magblade is a top tier dueling class. Stamblade is a little meh for duels, really just middle of the pack.
magblade is top tier for sure. stamblade is a lot burstier than a magblade, but magblade is just too hard to kill with all the heals going on+cloak+not even mentioning how stronk resto staff is.0 -
Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Was playing in BGs last night. I thought to myself, "sure is a lot of NBs in here..."
Checked the players, out of the 12, 7 were NBs
Next match 6 of the 12 NBs
Next match 7 again were NBs
Next match 8 were NBs.
Slotted flare...
But, I remember ZoS being all about how many players use what and where.
Can't help but think there maybe a balance issue when over 50% of the playing field is one class while there are 5 available.
Do you see what I'm seeing?
Balance is ans should never be about one narrow aspect of the game. I’m not talking about the very small sample OP is mentioning, but it’s would certainly need to be more than a few matches.
It would need to look beginning if BGs and why. Heck, I can see one very good reason for NBs and it’s not a reason for a nerf.
at this point I'm %90 sure nbs are gonna get the nerf hammer, Knowing ZOS they will leave broken cloak as it is and nerf everything else about the class, which is sad but already happened with three other classes, so I guess enjoy playing nbs before everything fun about your class gets hammered.
They’ve actually buffed mageblade in every recent patch outside of the Morrowind sustain nerfs.
Honestly, with shadow image working it feels too strong0 -
cazlonb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Cyro not different from bgs - feels like 50% of game population are nightblades, where 90% are stamina nightblades.
Well, in Vivec EU-PC DKs seem to at least equal NBs in numbers. After a short break after the recent patch they're back in full force. in my experience then come Sorcs in third spot, Templar healbots 4th and Wardens dead last by a huge margin.Edited by cazlonb16_ESO on March 5, 2018 6:33PM1 -
Drachenfier✭✭✭✭✭
✭All I know is, when I get the rvr mission to kill 20 nightblades, I'm usually done with that within five minutes of a single keep battle starting. Every other class usually takes multiple keep battles.Edited by Drachenfier on March 5, 2018 6:31PM0 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Was playing in BGs last night. I thought to myself, "sure is a lot of NBs in here..."
Checked the players, out of the 12, 7 were NBs
Next match 6 of the 12 NBs
Next match 7 again were NBs
Next match 8 were NBs.
Slotted flare...
But, I remember ZoS being all about how many players use what and where.
Can't help but think there maybe a balance issue when over 50% of the playing field is one class while there are 5 available.
Do you see what I'm seeing?
Balance is ans should never be about one narrow aspect of the game. I’m not talking about the very small sample OP is mentioning, but it’s would certainly need to be more than a few matches.
It would need to look beginning if BGs and why. Heck, I can see one very good reason for NBs and it’s not a reason for a nerf.
at this point I'm %90 sure nbs are gonna get the nerf hammer, Knowing ZOS they will leave broken cloak as it is and nerf everything else about the class, which is sad but already happened with three other classes, so I guess enjoy playing nbs before everything fun about your class gets hammered.
They’ve actually buffed mageblade in every recent patch outside of the Morrowind sustain nerfs.
Honestly, with shadow image working it feels too strong
I know, Its just another reason for me to not play the game for a long long while
We'll see how the new ''expansion'' will address the totally reasonless nb buffs.
Or will they adress it at all, we'll see.Edited by Ragnarock41 on March 5, 2018 6:34PM0 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »Cyro not different from bgs - feels like 50% of game population are nightblades, where 90% are stamina nightblades.
Well, in Vivec EU-PC DKs seem to at least equal NBs in numbers. After a short break after the recent patch they're back in full force. Then come Sorcs in third spot, Templar healbots 4th and Wardens dead last by a huge margin.
Isn't it natural for people to make bigg zergs with Dk tanks and healbots, when everyone trying to solo play gets blown up by a nightblade?
Or another zerg? I find it very natural for new players to just make a mDk tank with lots of hp and run in front of a zerg. for so many people its the best they can do.Edited by Ragnarock41 on March 5, 2018 6:40PM0 -
Maulkin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »Cyro not different from bgs - feels like 50% of game population are nightblades, where 90% are stamina nightblades.
Well, in Vivec EU-PC DKs seem to at least equal NBs in numbers. After a short break after the recent patch they're back in full force. in my experience then come Sorcs in third spot, Templar healbots 4th and Wardens dead last by a huge margin.
Well, Vivec EU-PC is out of context of this thread because it is a CP campaign and OP is talking about No CP BGs. Things are quite different with CPs enabled, it's quite an equaliser. I know you didn't start talking about campaigns first, just preventing the discussion form veering into a completely different direction.EU | PC | AD0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »@Lexxypwns said it best. The natural predator to a nightblade is another nightblade. piercing mark is devastating imho.
I love that moment when the NB starts to panic because he’s lacking adequate defense besides cloak, its palpable.
There’s nothing I enjoy more than seeing a bunch of stamblades in a BG, that’s when it’s time to do work
Nothing is better than soul assaulting stamblades and read all their ragewhispers of what they think about you.
Stamblade tears are like Fergie mixed with Jesus. I killed a particularly annoying(and terrible) stamblade today with 2h light attacks on my mageblade, I got a 6 minute long voice message from him via Xbox... I’m gonna set it to music and have it played at my funeral
Well i can understand it when people who get free kills with not many risks attached to it get mad when they lose fights
This was what seemed to be a grown ass adult male and he literally went nuts, screaming with his voice cracking and telling me how terrible I am and how there’s no way a mageblade should ever slot mark over ele drain unless he’s trash... never mind that I’m 2h/resto
Nightblades who get salty because you slot mark are the best.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »NBs aren;t going to want to hear this, but they are easily the class that best deals with the no CP.
So ZoS massively nerfs every class such that their power is reliant on a bunch of generic % bonuses and DLC accessible gear. Then ZoS implements a format that keeps the nerfs, takes away the % bonuses, and you need regeneration more than those DLC sets.
Yeah, give me the class that has an escape mechanism independent of power scaling (cloak, teleport), the best innate resource management, and a burst not dependent on gear sets
This. Pretty much. Everyone else stopped playing when they took away CP BG’s. I haven’t queued up since the DB patch landed.
Here's what bothers the @#$& outta me, practically only @Joy_Division voiced their opinion about BGs staying CP. There was a bunch of people making posts saying they wanted no CP, so ZoS made it no CP
NOW the CP crowd comes outta the wood works! Where were they during the plethora of no CP threads??
No CP is still better because despite imbalances the fights are more fast paced which makes game modes like chaosball, dom, and CTR have a more playable pace.
There was class imbalance before and now it’s just shifted a different way.
I agree on this, no-cp is a lot better and healthier, ZOS should balance the game based on no-cp then balance CP seperately, which imo the only way to reach perfect PvP balance in this game.
And I honestly don't buy the ''nbs are only strong in no-cp'' crap. They are a very dominant dueling class now, and duels aren't set for no-cp obviously.
It depends on what type a nightblade you are talking about. Magblade is a top tier dueling class. Stamblade is a little meh for duels, really just middle of the pack.
magblade is top tier for sure. stamblade is a lot burstier than a magblade, but magblade is just too hard to kill with all the heals going on+cloak+not even mentioning how stronk resto staff is.
I dunno - mag blade is pretty bursty. But I think with mag blade the burst doesn’t usually come at the very beginning of the fight. Mag blades are a bit like wardens and mag sorcs in that they need to line up their burst.PC NA - @dazkt - Dazk Ardoonkt / Sir Thogalot / Dask Dragoh’t / Dazk Dragoh’t / El Thogardo
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Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »@Lexxypwns said it best. The natural predator to a nightblade is another nightblade. piercing mark is devastating imho.
I love that moment when the NB starts to panic because he’s lacking adequate defense besides cloak, its palpable.
There’s nothing I enjoy more than seeing a bunch of stamblades in a BG, that’s when it’s time to do work
Nothing is better than soul assaulting stamblades and read all their ragewhispers of what they think about you.
Stamblade tears are like Fergie mixed with Jesus. I killed a particularly annoying(and terrible) stamblade today with 2h light attacks on my mageblade, I got a 6 minute long voice message from him via Xbox... I’m gonna set it to music and have it played at my funeral
Well i can understand it when people who get free kills with not many risks attached to it get mad when they lose fights
This was what seemed to be a grown ass adult male and he literally went nuts, screaming with his voice cracking and telling me how terrible I am and how there’s no way a mageblade should ever slot mark over ele drain unless he’s trash... never mind that I’m 2h/resto
Nightblades who get salty because you slot mark are the best.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »NBs aren;t going to want to hear this, but they are easily the class that best deals with the no CP.
So ZoS massively nerfs every class such that their power is reliant on a bunch of generic % bonuses and DLC accessible gear. Then ZoS implements a format that keeps the nerfs, takes away the % bonuses, and you need regeneration more than those DLC sets.
Yeah, give me the class that has an escape mechanism independent of power scaling (cloak, teleport), the best innate resource management, and a burst not dependent on gear sets
This. Pretty much. Everyone else stopped playing when they took away CP BG’s. I haven’t queued up since the DB patch landed.
Here's what bothers the @#$& outta me, practically only @Joy_Division voiced their opinion about BGs staying CP. There was a bunch of people making posts saying they wanted no CP, so ZoS made it no CP
NOW the CP crowd comes outta the wood works! Where were they during the plethora of no CP threads??
No CP is still better because despite imbalances the fights are more fast paced which makes game modes like chaosball, dom, and CTR have a more playable pace.
There was class imbalance before and now it’s just shifted a different way.
I agree on this, no-cp is a lot better and healthier, ZOS should balance the game based on no-cp then balance CP seperately, which imo the only way to reach perfect PvP balance in this game.
And I honestly don't buy the ''nbs are only strong in no-cp'' crap. They are a very dominant dueling class now, and duels aren't set for no-cp obviously.
It depends on what type a nightblade you are talking about. Magblade is a top tier dueling class. Stamblade is a little meh for duels, really just middle of the pack.
magblade is top tier for sure. stamblade is a lot burstier than a magblade, but magblade is just too hard to kill with all the heals going on+cloak+not even mentioning how stronk resto staff is.
I dunno - mag blade is pretty bursty. But I think with mag blade the burst doesn’t usually come at the very beginning of the fight. Mag blades are a bit like wardens and mag sorcs in that they need to line up their burst.
Stamblade can just burst down people in 2 seconds out of stealth with a well placed combo. Magblade is still hitting very hard but not as fast as stamblade.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »@Lexxypwns said it best. The natural predator to a nightblade is another nightblade. piercing mark is devastating imho.
I love that moment when the NB starts to panic because he’s lacking adequate defense besides cloak, its palpable.
There’s nothing I enjoy more than seeing a bunch of stamblades in a BG, that’s when it’s time to do work
Nothing is better than soul assaulting stamblades and read all their ragewhispers of what they think about you.
Stamblade tears are like Fergie mixed with Jesus. I killed a particularly annoying(and terrible) stamblade today with 2h light attacks on my mageblade, I got a 6 minute long voice message from him via Xbox... I’m gonna set it to music and have it played at my funeral
Well i can understand it when people who get free kills with not many risks attached to it get mad when they lose fights
This was what seemed to be a grown ass adult male and he literally went nuts, screaming with his voice cracking and telling me how terrible I am and how there’s no way a mageblade should ever slot mark over ele drain unless he’s trash... never mind that I’m 2h/resto
Nightblades who get salty because you slot mark are the best.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »NBs aren;t going to want to hear this, but they are easily the class that best deals with the no CP.
So ZoS massively nerfs every class such that their power is reliant on a bunch of generic % bonuses and DLC accessible gear. Then ZoS implements a format that keeps the nerfs, takes away the % bonuses, and you need regeneration more than those DLC sets.
Yeah, give me the class that has an escape mechanism independent of power scaling (cloak, teleport), the best innate resource management, and a burst not dependent on gear sets
This. Pretty much. Everyone else stopped playing when they took away CP BG’s. I haven’t queued up since the DB patch landed.
Here's what bothers the @#$& outta me, practically only @Joy_Division voiced their opinion about BGs staying CP. There was a bunch of people making posts saying they wanted no CP, so ZoS made it no CP
NOW the CP crowd comes outta the wood works! Where were they during the plethora of no CP threads??
No CP is still better because despite imbalances the fights are more fast paced which makes game modes like chaosball, dom, and CTR have a more playable pace.
There was class imbalance before and now it’s just shifted a different way.
I agree on this, no-cp is a lot better and healthier, ZOS should balance the game based on no-cp then balance CP seperately, which imo the only way to reach perfect PvP balance in this game.
And I honestly don't buy the ''nbs are only strong in no-cp'' crap. They are a very dominant dueling class now, and duels aren't set for no-cp obviously.
It depends on what type a nightblade you are talking about. Magblade is a top tier dueling class. Stamblade is a little meh for duels, really just middle of the pack.
magblade is top tier for sure. stamblade is a lot burstier than a magblade, but magblade is just too hard to kill with all the heals going on+cloak+not even mentioning how stronk resto staff is.
I dunno - mag blade is pretty bursty. But I think with mag blade the burst doesn’t usually come at the very beginning of the fight. Mag blades are a bit like wardens and mag sorcs in that they need to line up their burst.
This is true, but with shadow image working everyone is just at the mageblades mercy and with the new merciless changes you actually get a lot of opportunities to open a fight with a heavy-incap-will combo1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »@Lexxypwns said it best. The natural predator to a nightblade is another nightblade. piercing mark is devastating imho.
I love that moment when the NB starts to panic because he’s lacking adequate defense besides cloak, its palpable.
There’s nothing I enjoy more than seeing a bunch of stamblades in a BG, that’s when it’s time to do work
Nothing is better than soul assaulting stamblades and read all their ragewhispers of what they think about you.
Stamblade tears are like Fergie mixed with Jesus. I killed a particularly annoying(and terrible) stamblade today with 2h light attacks on my mageblade, I got a 6 minute long voice message from him via Xbox... I’m gonna set it to music and have it played at my funeral
Well i can understand it when people who get free kills with not many risks attached to it get mad when they lose fights
This was what seemed to be a grown ass adult male and he literally went nuts, screaming with his voice cracking and telling me how terrible I am and how there’s no way a mageblade should ever slot mark over ele drain unless he’s trash... never mind that I’m 2h/resto
Nightblades who get salty because you slot mark are the best.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »NBs aren;t going to want to hear this, but they are easily the class that best deals with the no CP.
So ZoS massively nerfs every class such that their power is reliant on a bunch of generic % bonuses and DLC accessible gear. Then ZoS implements a format that keeps the nerfs, takes away the % bonuses, and you need regeneration more than those DLC sets.
Yeah, give me the class that has an escape mechanism independent of power scaling (cloak, teleport), the best innate resource management, and a burst not dependent on gear sets
This. Pretty much. Everyone else stopped playing when they took away CP BG’s. I haven’t queued up since the DB patch landed.
Here's what bothers the @#$& outta me, practically only @Joy_Division voiced their opinion about BGs staying CP. There was a bunch of people making posts saying they wanted no CP, so ZoS made it no CP
NOW the CP crowd comes outta the wood works! Where were they during the plethora of no CP threads??
No CP is still better because despite imbalances the fights are more fast paced which makes game modes like chaosball, dom, and CTR have a more playable pace.
There was class imbalance before and now it’s just shifted a different way.
I agree on this, no-cp is a lot better and healthier, ZOS should balance the game based on no-cp then balance CP seperately, which imo the only way to reach perfect PvP balance in this game.
And I honestly don't buy the ''nbs are only strong in no-cp'' crap. They are a very dominant dueling class now, and duels aren't set for no-cp obviously.
It depends on what type a nightblade you are talking about. Magblade is a top tier dueling class. Stamblade is a little meh for duels, really just middle of the pack.
magblade is top tier for sure. stamblade is a lot burstier than a magblade, but magblade is just too hard to kill with all the heals going on+cloak+not even mentioning how stronk resto staff is.
I dunno - mag blade is pretty bursty. But I think with mag blade the burst doesn’t usually come at the very beginning of the fight. Mag blades are a bit like wardens and mag sorcs in that they need to line up their burst.
This is true, but with shadow image working everyone is just at the mageblades mercy and with the new merciless changes you actually get a lot of opportunities to open a fight with a heavy-incap-will combo
If only there was some wonderful miss chance mechanic my magplar could use to help me setup my clunky/annoying burst combos...
But at least I have a strong execute that ignores dodge!....oh wait
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✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »@Lexxypwns said it best. The natural predator to a nightblade is another nightblade. piercing mark is devastating imho.
I love that moment when the NB starts to panic because he’s lacking adequate defense besides cloak, its palpable.
There’s nothing I enjoy more than seeing a bunch of stamblades in a BG, that’s when it’s time to do work
Nothing is better than soul assaulting stamblades and read all their ragewhispers of what they think about you.
Stamblade tears are like Fergie mixed with Jesus. I killed a particularly annoying(and terrible) stamblade today with 2h light attacks on my mageblade, I got a 6 minute long voice message from him via Xbox... I’m gonna set it to music and have it played at my funeral
Well i can understand it when people who get free kills with not many risks attached to it get mad when they lose fights
This was what seemed to be a grown ass adult male and he literally went nuts, screaming with his voice cracking and telling me how terrible I am and how there’s no way a mageblade should ever slot mark over ele drain unless he’s trash... never mind that I’m 2h/resto
Nightblades who get salty because you slot mark are the best.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »NBs aren;t going to want to hear this, but they are easily the class that best deals with the no CP.
So ZoS massively nerfs every class such that their power is reliant on a bunch of generic % bonuses and DLC accessible gear. Then ZoS implements a format that keeps the nerfs, takes away the % bonuses, and you need regeneration more than those DLC sets.
Yeah, give me the class that has an escape mechanism independent of power scaling (cloak, teleport), the best innate resource management, and a burst not dependent on gear sets
This. Pretty much. Everyone else stopped playing when they took away CP BG’s. I haven’t queued up since the DB patch landed.
Here's what bothers the @#$& outta me, practically only @Joy_Division voiced their opinion about BGs staying CP. There was a bunch of people making posts saying they wanted no CP, so ZoS made it no CP
NOW the CP crowd comes outta the wood works! Where were they during the plethora of no CP threads??
No CP is still better because despite imbalances the fights are more fast paced which makes game modes like chaosball, dom, and CTR have a more playable pace.
There was class imbalance before and now it’s just shifted a different way.
I agree on this, no-cp is a lot better and healthier, ZOS should balance the game based on no-cp then balance CP seperately, which imo the only way to reach perfect PvP balance in this game.
And I honestly don't buy the ''nbs are only strong in no-cp'' crap. They are a very dominant dueling class now, and duels aren't set for no-cp obviously.
It depends on what type a nightblade you are talking about. Magblade is a top tier dueling class. Stamblade is a little meh for duels, really just middle of the pack.
magblade is top tier for sure. stamblade is a lot burstier than a magblade, but magblade is just too hard to kill with all the heals going on+cloak+not even mentioning how stronk resto staff is.
I dunno - mag blade is pretty bursty. But I think with mag blade the burst doesn’t usually come at the very beginning of the fight. Mag blades are a bit like wardens and mag sorcs in that they need to line up their burst.
This is true, but with shadow image working everyone is just at the mageblades mercy and with the new merciless changes you actually get a lot of opportunities to open a fight with a heavy-incap-will combo
If only there was some wonderful miss chance mechanic my magplar could use to help me setup my clunky/annoying burst combos...
But at least I have a strong execute that ignores dodge!....oh wait
Templars are... I dunno, in no CP I just didn't like how I'm practically forced into standing my ground when it's far more advantageous to be highly mobile
I just stopped using my templar in BGs. I refuse to use NBs (I just don't wanna!!) So I have sorc and warden left (my dk is a Nord
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✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »@Lexxypwns said it best. The natural predator to a nightblade is another nightblade. piercing mark is devastating imho.
I love that moment when the NB starts to panic because he’s lacking adequate defense besides cloak, its palpable.
There’s nothing I enjoy more than seeing a bunch of stamblades in a BG, that’s when it’s time to do work
Nothing is better than soul assaulting stamblades and read all their ragewhispers of what they think about you.
Stamblade tears are like Fergie mixed with Jesus. I killed a particularly annoying(and terrible) stamblade today with 2h light attacks on my mageblade, I got a 6 minute long voice message from him via Xbox... I’m gonna set it to music and have it played at my funeral
Well i can understand it when people who get free kills with not many risks attached to it get mad when they lose fights
This was what seemed to be a grown ass adult male and he literally went nuts, screaming with his voice cracking and telling me how terrible I am and how there’s no way a mageblade should ever slot mark over ele drain unless he’s trash... never mind that I’m 2h/resto
Nightblades who get salty because you slot mark are the best.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »NBs aren;t going to want to hear this, but they are easily the class that best deals with the no CP.
So ZoS massively nerfs every class such that their power is reliant on a bunch of generic % bonuses and DLC accessible gear. Then ZoS implements a format that keeps the nerfs, takes away the % bonuses, and you need regeneration more than those DLC sets.
Yeah, give me the class that has an escape mechanism independent of power scaling (cloak, teleport), the best innate resource management, and a burst not dependent on gear sets
This. Pretty much. Everyone else stopped playing when they took away CP BG’s. I haven’t queued up since the DB patch landed.
Here's what bothers the @#$& outta me, practically only @Joy_Division voiced their opinion about BGs staying CP. There was a bunch of people making posts saying they wanted no CP, so ZoS made it no CP
NOW the CP crowd comes outta the wood works! Where were they during the plethora of no CP threads??
No CP is still better because despite imbalances the fights are more fast paced which makes game modes like chaosball, dom, and CTR have a more playable pace.
There was class imbalance before and now it’s just shifted a different way.
I agree on this, no-cp is a lot better and healthier, ZOS should balance the game based on no-cp then balance CP seperately, which imo the only way to reach perfect PvP balance in this game.
And I honestly don't buy the ''nbs are only strong in no-cp'' crap. They are a very dominant dueling class now, and duels aren't set for no-cp obviously.
It depends on what type a nightblade you are talking about. Magblade is a top tier dueling class. Stamblade is a little meh for duels, really just middle of the pack.
magblade is top tier for sure. stamblade is a lot burstier than a magblade, but magblade is just too hard to kill with all the heals going on+cloak+not even mentioning how stronk resto staff is.
I dunno - mag blade is pretty bursty. But I think with mag blade the burst doesn’t usually come at the very beginning of the fight. Mag blades are a bit like wardens and mag sorcs in that they need to line up their burst.
This is true, but with shadow image working everyone is just at the mageblades mercy and with the new merciless changes you actually get a lot of opportunities to open a fight with a heavy-incap-will combo
If only there was some wonderful miss chance mechanic my magplar could use to help me setup my clunky/annoying burst combos...
But at least I have a strong execute that ignores dodge!....oh wait
Templars are... I dunno, in no CP I just didn't like how I'm practically forced into standing my ground when it's far more advantageous to be highly mobile
I just stopped using my templar in BGs. I refuse to use NBs (I just don't wanna!!) So I have sorc and warden left (my dk is a Nord)
So I'm just using my sorc
I have a build for you to try. Will send it in a message.
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✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »@Lexxypwns said it best. The natural predator to a nightblade is another nightblade. piercing mark is devastating imho.
I love that moment when the NB starts to panic because he’s lacking adequate defense besides cloak, its palpable.
There’s nothing I enjoy more than seeing a bunch of stamblades in a BG, that’s when it’s time to do work
Nothing is better than soul assaulting stamblades and read all their ragewhispers of what they think about you.
Stamblade tears are like Fergie mixed with Jesus. I killed a particularly annoying(and terrible) stamblade today with 2h light attacks on my mageblade, I got a 6 minute long voice message from him via Xbox... I’m gonna set it to music and have it played at my funeral
Well i can understand it when people who get free kills with not many risks attached to it get mad when they lose fights
This was what seemed to be a grown ass adult male and he literally went nuts, screaming with his voice cracking and telling me how terrible I am and how there’s no way a mageblade should ever slot mark over ele drain unless he’s trash... never mind that I’m 2h/resto
Nightblades who get salty because you slot mark are the best.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »NBs aren;t going to want to hear this, but they are easily the class that best deals with the no CP.
So ZoS massively nerfs every class such that their power is reliant on a bunch of generic % bonuses and DLC accessible gear. Then ZoS implements a format that keeps the nerfs, takes away the % bonuses, and you need regeneration more than those DLC sets.
Yeah, give me the class that has an escape mechanism independent of power scaling (cloak, teleport), the best innate resource management, and a burst not dependent on gear sets
This. Pretty much. Everyone else stopped playing when they took away CP BG’s. I haven’t queued up since the DB patch landed.
Here's what bothers the @#$& outta me, practically only @Joy_Division voiced their opinion about BGs staying CP. There was a bunch of people making posts saying they wanted no CP, so ZoS made it no CP
NOW the CP crowd comes outta the wood works! Where were they during the plethora of no CP threads??
No CP is still better because despite imbalances the fights are more fast paced which makes game modes like chaosball, dom, and CTR have a more playable pace.
There was class imbalance before and now it’s just shifted a different way.
I agree on this, no-cp is a lot better and healthier, ZOS should balance the game based on no-cp then balance CP seperately, which imo the only way to reach perfect PvP balance in this game.
And I honestly don't buy the ''nbs are only strong in no-cp'' crap. They are a very dominant dueling class now, and duels aren't set for no-cp obviously.
It depends on what type a nightblade you are talking about. Magblade is a top tier dueling class. Stamblade is a little meh for duels, really just middle of the pack.
magblade is top tier for sure. stamblade is a lot burstier than a magblade, but magblade is just too hard to kill with all the heals going on+cloak+not even mentioning how stronk resto staff is.
I dunno - mag blade is pretty bursty. But I think with mag blade the burst doesn’t usually come at the very beginning of the fight. Mag blades are a bit like wardens and mag sorcs in that they need to line up their burst.
This is true, but with shadow image working everyone is just at the mageblades mercy and with the new merciless changes you actually get a lot of opportunities to open a fight with a heavy-incap-will combo
That explains why I was getting wrecked by a mNB this morning. It was on inc in a BG and I’m so used to not worrying about burst until 5s or 6s into the fight. TIL.
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✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »@Lexxypwns said it best. The natural predator to a nightblade is another nightblade. piercing mark is devastating imho.
I love that moment when the NB starts to panic because he’s lacking adequate defense besides cloak, its palpable.
There’s nothing I enjoy more than seeing a bunch of stamblades in a BG, that’s when it’s time to do work
Nothing is better than soul assaulting stamblades and read all their ragewhispers of what they think about you.
Stamblade tears are like Fergie mixed with Jesus. I killed a particularly annoying(and terrible) stamblade today with 2h light attacks on my mageblade, I got a 6 minute long voice message from him via Xbox... I’m gonna set it to music and have it played at my funeral
Well i can understand it when people who get free kills with not many risks attached to it get mad when they lose fights
This was what seemed to be a grown ass adult male and he literally went nuts, screaming with his voice cracking and telling me how terrible I am and how there’s no way a mageblade should ever slot mark over ele drain unless he’s trash... never mind that I’m 2h/resto
Nightblades who get salty because you slot mark are the best.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »NBs aren;t going to want to hear this, but they are easily the class that best deals with the no CP.
So ZoS massively nerfs every class such that their power is reliant on a bunch of generic % bonuses and DLC accessible gear. Then ZoS implements a format that keeps the nerfs, takes away the % bonuses, and you need regeneration more than those DLC sets.
Yeah, give me the class that has an escape mechanism independent of power scaling (cloak, teleport), the best innate resource management, and a burst not dependent on gear sets
This. Pretty much. Everyone else stopped playing when they took away CP BG’s. I haven’t queued up since the DB patch landed.
Here's what bothers the @#$& outta me, practically only @Joy_Division voiced their opinion about BGs staying CP. There was a bunch of people making posts saying they wanted no CP, so ZoS made it no CP
NOW the CP crowd comes outta the wood works! Where were they during the plethora of no CP threads??
No CP is still better because despite imbalances the fights are more fast paced which makes game modes like chaosball, dom, and CTR have a more playable pace.
There was class imbalance before and now it’s just shifted a different way.
I agree on this, no-cp is a lot better and healthier, ZOS should balance the game based on no-cp then balance CP seperately, which imo the only way to reach perfect PvP balance in this game.
And I honestly don't buy the ''nbs are only strong in no-cp'' crap. They are a very dominant dueling class now, and duels aren't set for no-cp obviously.
It depends on what type a nightblade you are talking about. Magblade is a top tier dueling class. Stamblade is a little meh for duels, really just middle of the pack.
magblade is top tier for sure. stamblade is a lot burstier than a magblade, but magblade is just too hard to kill with all the heals going on+cloak+not even mentioning how stronk resto staff is.
I dunno - mag blade is pretty bursty. But I think with mag blade the burst doesn’t usually come at the very beginning of the fight. Mag blades are a bit like wardens and mag sorcs in that they need to line up their burst.
This is true, but with shadow image working everyone is just at the mageblades mercy and with the new merciless changes you actually get a lot of opportunities to open a fight with a heavy-incap-will combo
That explains why I was getting wrecked by a mNB this morning. It was on inc in a BG and I’m so used to not worrying about burst until 5s or 6s into the fight. TIL.
Those merciless changes were really slept on for PVP, imo. Particularly ranged mageblades can easily keep themselves in combat while not active trying to fight using cripple, mark, DoT poisons, funnel heals, etc, I’ve actually seen my burst end up catching a lot of people that seemed to have your exact mindset.
Mageblade is definitely as strong as it’s every been and has a good argument for being the best spec in game, it’s certainly the most versatile and it comes with built in counters to stam NB and stam warden1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »@Lexxypwns said it best. The natural predator to a nightblade is another nightblade. piercing mark is devastating imho.
I love that moment when the NB starts to panic because he’s lacking adequate defense besides cloak, its palpable.
There’s nothing I enjoy more than seeing a bunch of stamblades in a BG, that’s when it’s time to do work
Nothing is better than soul assaulting stamblades and read all their ragewhispers of what they think about you.
Stamblade tears are like Fergie mixed with Jesus. I killed a particularly annoying(and terrible) stamblade today with 2h light attacks on my mageblade, I got a 6 minute long voice message from him via Xbox... I’m gonna set it to music and have it played at my funeral
Well i can understand it when people who get free kills with not many risks attached to it get mad when they lose fights
This was what seemed to be a grown ass adult male and he literally went nuts, screaming with his voice cracking and telling me how terrible I am and how there’s no way a mageblade should ever slot mark over ele drain unless he’s trash... never mind that I’m 2h/resto
Nightblades who get salty because you slot mark are the best.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »NBs aren;t going to want to hear this, but they are easily the class that best deals with the no CP.
So ZoS massively nerfs every class such that their power is reliant on a bunch of generic % bonuses and DLC accessible gear. Then ZoS implements a format that keeps the nerfs, takes away the % bonuses, and you need regeneration more than those DLC sets.
Yeah, give me the class that has an escape mechanism independent of power scaling (cloak, teleport), the best innate resource management, and a burst not dependent on gear sets
This. Pretty much. Everyone else stopped playing when they took away CP BG’s. I haven’t queued up since the DB patch landed.
Here's what bothers the @#$& outta me, practically only @Joy_Division voiced their opinion about BGs staying CP. There was a bunch of people making posts saying they wanted no CP, so ZoS made it no CP
NOW the CP crowd comes outta the wood works! Where were they during the plethora of no CP threads??
No CP is still better because despite imbalances the fights are more fast paced which makes game modes like chaosball, dom, and CTR have a more playable pace.
There was class imbalance before and now it’s just shifted a different way.
I agree on this, no-cp is a lot better and healthier, ZOS should balance the game based on no-cp then balance CP seperately, which imo the only way to reach perfect PvP balance in this game.
And I honestly don't buy the ''nbs are only strong in no-cp'' crap. They are a very dominant dueling class now, and duels aren't set for no-cp obviously.
It depends on what type a nightblade you are talking about. Magblade is a top tier dueling class. Stamblade is a little meh for duels, really just middle of the pack.
magblade is top tier for sure. stamblade is a lot burstier than a magblade, but magblade is just too hard to kill with all the heals going on+cloak+not even mentioning how stronk resto staff is.
I dunno - mag blade is pretty bursty. But I think with mag blade the burst doesn’t usually come at the very beginning of the fight. Mag blades are a bit like wardens and mag sorcs in that they need to line up their burst.
This is true, but with shadow image working everyone is just at the mageblades mercy and with the new merciless changes you actually get a lot of opportunities to open a fight with a heavy-incap-will combo
That explains why I was getting wrecked by a mNB this morning. It was on inc in a BG and I’m so used to not worrying about burst until 5s or 6s into the fight. TIL.
Those merciless changes were really slept on for PVP, imo. Particularly ranged mageblades can easily keep themselves in combat while not active trying to fight using cripple, mark, DoT poisons, funnel heals, etc, I’ve actually seen my burst end up catching a lot of people that seemed to have your exact mindset.
Mageblade is definitely as strong as it’s every been and has a good argument for being the best spec in game, it’s certainly the most versatile and it comes with built in counters to stam NB and stam warden
I don’t think that’s necessarily true. The issue is though that a lot of NBs on the forum are very good at downplaying the class. When the merciless changes were announced there were a lot of posts saying that it doesn’t change much. Certainly, if you talk about the top players the changes didn’t do much because they didn’t miss weaves anyway. But it was a huge buff to your average Nightblade that didn’t play as perfectly and had stacks drop off regularly.
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✭✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Was playing in BGs last night. I thought to myself, "sure is a lot of NBs in here..."
Checked the players, out of the 12, 7 were NBs
Next match 6 of the 12 NBs
Next match 7 again were NBs
Next match 8 were NBs.
Slotted flare...
But, I remember ZoS being all about how many players use what and where.
Can't help but think there maybe a balance issue when over 50% of the playing field is one class while there are 5 available.
Do you see what I'm seeing?
Balance is ans should never be about one narrow aspect of the game. I’m not talking about the very small sample OP is mentioning, but it’s would certainly need to be more than a few matches.
It would need to look beginning if BGs and why. Heck, I can see one very good reason for NBs and it’s not a reason for a nerf.
at this point I'm %90 sure nbs are gonna get the nerf hammer, Knowing ZOS they will leave broken cloak as it is and nerf everything else about the class, which is sad but already happened with three other classes, so I guess enjoy playing nbs before everything fun about your class gets hammered.
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✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »@Lexxypwns said it best. The natural predator to a nightblade is another nightblade. piercing mark is devastating imho.
I love that moment when the NB starts to panic because he’s lacking adequate defense besides cloak, its palpable.
There’s nothing I enjoy more than seeing a bunch of stamblades in a BG, that’s when it’s time to do work
Nothing is better than soul assaulting stamblades and read all their ragewhispers of what they think about you.
Stamblade tears are like Fergie mixed with Jesus. I killed a particularly annoying(and terrible) stamblade today with 2h light attacks on my mageblade, I got a 6 minute long voice message from him via Xbox... I’m gonna set it to music and have it played at my funeral
Well i can understand it when people who get free kills with not many risks attached to it get mad when they lose fights
This was what seemed to be a grown ass adult male and he literally went nuts, screaming with his voice cracking and telling me how terrible I am and how there’s no way a mageblade should ever slot mark over ele drain unless he’s trash... never mind that I’m 2h/resto
Nightblades who get salty because you slot mark are the best.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »NBs aren;t going to want to hear this, but they are easily the class that best deals with the no CP.
So ZoS massively nerfs every class such that their power is reliant on a bunch of generic % bonuses and DLC accessible gear. Then ZoS implements a format that keeps the nerfs, takes away the % bonuses, and you need regeneration more than those DLC sets.
Yeah, give me the class that has an escape mechanism independent of power scaling (cloak, teleport), the best innate resource management, and a burst not dependent on gear sets
This. Pretty much. Everyone else stopped playing when they took away CP BG’s. I haven’t queued up since the DB patch landed.
Here's what bothers the @#$& outta me, practically only @Joy_Division voiced their opinion about BGs staying CP. There was a bunch of people making posts saying they wanted no CP, so ZoS made it no CP
NOW the CP crowd comes outta the wood works! Where were they during the plethora of no CP threads??
No CP is still better because despite imbalances the fights are more fast paced which makes game modes like chaosball, dom, and CTR have a more playable pace.
There was class imbalance before and now it’s just shifted a different way.
I agree on this, no-cp is a lot better and healthier, ZOS should balance the game based on no-cp then balance CP seperately, which imo the only way to reach perfect PvP balance in this game.
And I honestly don't buy the ''nbs are only strong in no-cp'' crap. They are a very dominant dueling class now, and duels aren't set for no-cp obviously.
It depends on what type a nightblade you are talking about. Magblade is a top tier dueling class. Stamblade is a little meh for duels, really just middle of the pack.
magblade is top tier for sure. stamblade is a lot burstier than a magblade, but magblade is just too hard to kill with all the heals going on+cloak+not even mentioning how stronk resto staff is.
I dunno - mag blade is pretty bursty. But I think with mag blade the burst doesn’t usually come at the very beginning of the fight. Mag blades are a bit like wardens and mag sorcs in that they need to line up their burst.
This is true, but with shadow image working everyone is just at the mageblades mercy and with the new merciless changes you actually get a lot of opportunities to open a fight with a heavy-incap-will combo
That explains why I was getting wrecked by a mNB this morning. It was on inc in a BG and I’m so used to not worrying about burst until 5s or 6s into the fight. TIL.
Those merciless changes were really slept on for PVP, imo. Particularly ranged mageblades can easily keep themselves in combat while not active trying to fight using cripple, mark, DoT poisons, funnel heals, etc, I’ve actually seen my burst end up catching a lot of people that seemed to have your exact mindset.
Mageblade is definitely as strong as it’s every been and has a good argument for being the best spec in game, it’s certainly the most versatile and it comes with built in counters to stam NB and stam warden
I don’t think that’s necessarily true. The issue is though that a lot of NBs on the forum are very good at downplaying the class. When the merciless changes were announced there were a lot of posts saying that it doesn’t change much. Certainly, if you talk about the top players the changes didn’t do much because they didn’t miss weaves anyway. But it was a huge buff to your average Nightblade that didn’t play as perfectly and had stacks drop off regularly.
If you follow the forum you could think NBs are the worst class in game, getting always nerfs and never buffs. That’s what irks me the most about it - the absolute dishonesty of most forum NBs.
I’m not a top tier NB, but this does buff them. What it allows is for you to extend the time you have before needing to use your bow by using DoTs and HoTs to stay in combat while you’re actually not. This then lets you get a huge opener off with the incap+will combo either from stealth or with a fully charged heavy on an opponent that’s not expecting it.
This is the main place I’m feeling the change, I can drop shadow image when I’ve got a bow up and then I’ve got like 18(?) seconds to pick a target to unload on, this is particularly strong in BGs where you usually have a cluster of enemies then singles/duos doing objectives.
But I agree, forum NBs are usually the worst and they’ve fooled the masses because aside from marking stamblades I usually get nice messages for being a competent magebladeEdited by Lexxypwns on March 5, 2018 8:23PM0 -
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✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »@Lexxypwns said it best. The natural predator to a nightblade is another nightblade. piercing mark is devastating imho.
I love that moment when the NB starts to panic because he’s lacking adequate defense besides cloak, its palpable.
There’s nothing I enjoy more than seeing a bunch of stamblades in a BG, that’s when it’s time to do work
Nothing is better than soul assaulting stamblades and read all their ragewhispers of what they think about you.
Stamblade tears are like Fergie mixed with Jesus. I killed a particularly annoying(and terrible) stamblade today with 2h light attacks on my mageblade, I got a 6 minute long voice message from him via Xbox... I’m gonna set it to music and have it played at my funeral
Well i can understand it when people who get free kills with not many risks attached to it get mad when they lose fights
This was what seemed to be a grown ass adult male and he literally went nuts, screaming with his voice cracking and telling me how terrible I am and how there’s no way a mageblade should ever slot mark over ele drain unless he’s trash... never mind that I’m 2h/resto
Nightblades who get salty because you slot mark are the best.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »NBs aren;t going to want to hear this, but they are easily the class that best deals with the no CP.
So ZoS massively nerfs every class such that their power is reliant on a bunch of generic % bonuses and DLC accessible gear. Then ZoS implements a format that keeps the nerfs, takes away the % bonuses, and you need regeneration more than those DLC sets.
Yeah, give me the class that has an escape mechanism independent of power scaling (cloak, teleport), the best innate resource management, and a burst not dependent on gear sets
This. Pretty much. Everyone else stopped playing when they took away CP BG’s. I haven’t queued up since the DB patch landed.
Here's what bothers the @#$& outta me, practically only @Joy_Division voiced their opinion about BGs staying CP. There was a bunch of people making posts saying they wanted no CP, so ZoS made it no CP
NOW the CP crowd comes outta the wood works! Where were they during the plethora of no CP threads??
No CP is still better because despite imbalances the fights are more fast paced which makes game modes like chaosball, dom, and CTR have a more playable pace.
There was class imbalance before and now it’s just shifted a different way.
I agree on this, no-cp is a lot better and healthier, ZOS should balance the game based on no-cp then balance CP seperately, which imo the only way to reach perfect PvP balance in this game.
And I honestly don't buy the ''nbs are only strong in no-cp'' crap. They are a very dominant dueling class now, and duels aren't set for no-cp obviously.
It depends on what type a nightblade you are talking about. Magblade is a top tier dueling class. Stamblade is a little meh for duels, really just middle of the pack.
magblade is top tier for sure. stamblade is a lot burstier than a magblade, but magblade is just too hard to kill with all the heals going on+cloak+not even mentioning how stronk resto staff is.
I dunno - mag blade is pretty bursty. But I think with mag blade the burst doesn’t usually come at the very beginning of the fight. Mag blades are a bit like wardens and mag sorcs in that they need to line up their burst.
This is true, but with shadow image working everyone is just at the mageblades mercy and with the new merciless changes you actually get a lot of opportunities to open a fight with a heavy-incap-will combo
That explains why I was getting wrecked by a mNB this morning. It was on inc in a BG and I’m so used to not worrying about burst until 5s or 6s into the fight. TIL.
Those merciless changes were really slept on for PVP, imo. Particularly ranged mageblades can easily keep themselves in combat while not active trying to fight using cripple, mark, DoT poisons, funnel heals, etc, I’ve actually seen my burst end up catching a lot of people that seemed to have your exact mindset.
Mageblade is definitely as strong as it’s every been and has a good argument for being the best spec in game, it’s certainly the most versatile and it comes with built in counters to stam NB and stam warden
I don’t think that’s necessarily true. The issue is though that a lot of NBs on the forum are very good at downplaying the class. When the merciless changes were announced there were a lot of posts saying that it doesn’t change much. Certainly, if you talk about the top players the changes didn’t do much because they didn’t miss weaves anyway. But it was a huge buff to your average Nightblade that didn’t play as perfectly and had stacks drop off regularly.
If you follow the forum you could think NBs are the worst class in game, getting always nerfs and never buffs. That’s what irks me the most about it - the absolute dishonesty of most forum NBs.
That's not exclusive to nightblade though most people on the forums will come here and say their class is weak when in reality that's not the case. All the classes are pretty good right now. You can be competitive on all the classes. At this point in the game if a player is dying it's a skill issue or a build issue, and not a class issue. Most players would like to believe their class is bad before they believe that maybe they just need a little practice3 -
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✭✭✭✭thankyourat wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »@Lexxypwns said it best. The natural predator to a nightblade is another nightblade. piercing mark is devastating imho.
I love that moment when the NB starts to panic because he’s lacking adequate defense besides cloak, its palpable.
There’s nothing I enjoy more than seeing a bunch of stamblades in a BG, that’s when it’s time to do work
Nothing is better than soul assaulting stamblades and read all their ragewhispers of what they think about you.
Stamblade tears are like Fergie mixed with Jesus. I killed a particularly annoying(and terrible) stamblade today with 2h light attacks on my mageblade, I got a 6 minute long voice message from him via Xbox... I’m gonna set it to music and have it played at my funeral
Well i can understand it when people who get free kills with not many risks attached to it get mad when they lose fights
This was what seemed to be a grown ass adult male and he literally went nuts, screaming with his voice cracking and telling me how terrible I am and how there’s no way a mageblade should ever slot mark over ele drain unless he’s trash... never mind that I’m 2h/resto
Nightblades who get salty because you slot mark are the best.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »NBs aren;t going to want to hear this, but they are easily the class that best deals with the no CP.
So ZoS massively nerfs every class such that their power is reliant on a bunch of generic % bonuses and DLC accessible gear. Then ZoS implements a format that keeps the nerfs, takes away the % bonuses, and you need regeneration more than those DLC sets.
Yeah, give me the class that has an escape mechanism independent of power scaling (cloak, teleport), the best innate resource management, and a burst not dependent on gear sets
This. Pretty much. Everyone else stopped playing when they took away CP BG’s. I haven’t queued up since the DB patch landed.
Here's what bothers the @#$& outta me, practically only @Joy_Division voiced their opinion about BGs staying CP. There was a bunch of people making posts saying they wanted no CP, so ZoS made it no CP
NOW the CP crowd comes outta the wood works! Where were they during the plethora of no CP threads??
No CP is still better because despite imbalances the fights are more fast paced which makes game modes like chaosball, dom, and CTR have a more playable pace.
There was class imbalance before and now it’s just shifted a different way.
I agree on this, no-cp is a lot better and healthier, ZOS should balance the game based on no-cp then balance CP seperately, which imo the only way to reach perfect PvP balance in this game.
And I honestly don't buy the ''nbs are only strong in no-cp'' crap. They are a very dominant dueling class now, and duels aren't set for no-cp obviously.
It depends on what type a nightblade you are talking about. Magblade is a top tier dueling class. Stamblade is a little meh for duels, really just middle of the pack.
magblade is top tier for sure. stamblade is a lot burstier than a magblade, but magblade is just too hard to kill with all the heals going on+cloak+not even mentioning how stronk resto staff is.
I dunno - mag blade is pretty bursty. But I think with mag blade the burst doesn’t usually come at the very beginning of the fight. Mag blades are a bit like wardens and mag sorcs in that they need to line up their burst.
This is true, but with shadow image working everyone is just at the mageblades mercy and with the new merciless changes you actually get a lot of opportunities to open a fight with a heavy-incap-will combo
That explains why I was getting wrecked by a mNB this morning. It was on inc in a BG and I’m so used to not worrying about burst until 5s or 6s into the fight. TIL.
Those merciless changes were really slept on for PVP, imo. Particularly ranged mageblades can easily keep themselves in combat while not active trying to fight using cripple, mark, DoT poisons, funnel heals, etc, I’ve actually seen my burst end up catching a lot of people that seemed to have your exact mindset.
Mageblade is definitely as strong as it’s every been and has a good argument for being the best spec in game, it’s certainly the most versatile and it comes with built in counters to stam NB and stam warden
I don’t think that’s necessarily true. The issue is though that a lot of NBs on the forum are very good at downplaying the class. When the merciless changes were announced there were a lot of posts saying that it doesn’t change much. Certainly, if you talk about the top players the changes didn’t do much because they didn’t miss weaves anyway. But it was a huge buff to your average Nightblade that didn’t play as perfectly and had stacks drop off regularly.
If you follow the forum you could think NBs are the worst class in game, getting always nerfs and never buffs. That’s what irks me the most about it - the absolute dishonesty of most forum NBs.
That's not exclusive to nightblade though most people on the forums will come here and say their class is weak when in reality that's not the case. All the classes are pretty good right now. You can be competitive on all the classes. At this point in the game if a player is dying it's a skill issue or a build issue, and not a class issue. Most players would like to believe their class is bad before they believe that maybe they just need a little practice
In a no-CP environment I don’t feel that’s true. In order for a stam sorc or dk to kill me alone on mageblade I feel like I’ve been outplayed pretty hard, stamplar requires me to control the fight or die on the other hand. Among magika classes only dk and warden feel threatening but even then it feels more like the outcome is decided by if I take control of the fight. And I’m far from the best mageblade.
Edit: every class is viable as part of a 4 man team that works together in a BG, but as far as being able to get solo kills against decent players, which is critical to crazy King and DM, there’s some specs I wouldn’t to playEdited by Lexxypwns on March 6, 2018 2:01AM0 -
ofSunhold✭✭✭✭✭thankyourat wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »@Lexxypwns said it best. The natural predator to a nightblade is another nightblade. piercing mark is devastating imho.
I love that moment when the NB starts to panic because he’s lacking adequate defense besides cloak, its palpable.
There’s nothing I enjoy more than seeing a bunch of stamblades in a BG, that’s when it’s time to do work
Nothing is better than soul assaulting stamblades and read all their ragewhispers of what they think about you.
Stamblade tears are like Fergie mixed with Jesus. I killed a particularly annoying(and terrible) stamblade today with 2h light attacks on my mageblade, I got a 6 minute long voice message from him via Xbox... I’m gonna set it to music and have it played at my funeral
Well i can understand it when people who get free kills with not many risks attached to it get mad when they lose fights
This was what seemed to be a grown ass adult male and he literally went nuts, screaming with his voice cracking and telling me how terrible I am and how there’s no way a mageblade should ever slot mark over ele drain unless he’s trash... never mind that I’m 2h/resto
Nightblades who get salty because you slot mark are the best.Ragnarock41 wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »NBs aren;t going to want to hear this, but they are easily the class that best deals with the no CP.
So ZoS massively nerfs every class such that their power is reliant on a bunch of generic % bonuses and DLC accessible gear. Then ZoS implements a format that keeps the nerfs, takes away the % bonuses, and you need regeneration more than those DLC sets.
Yeah, give me the class that has an escape mechanism independent of power scaling (cloak, teleport), the best innate resource management, and a burst not dependent on gear sets
This. Pretty much. Everyone else stopped playing when they took away CP BG’s. I haven’t queued up since the DB patch landed.
Here's what bothers the @#$& outta me, practically only @Joy_Division voiced their opinion about BGs staying CP. There was a bunch of people making posts saying they wanted no CP, so ZoS made it no CP
NOW the CP crowd comes outta the wood works! Where were they during the plethora of no CP threads??
No CP is still better because despite imbalances the fights are more fast paced which makes game modes like chaosball, dom, and CTR have a more playable pace.
There was class imbalance before and now it’s just shifted a different way.
I agree on this, no-cp is a lot better and healthier, ZOS should balance the game based on no-cp then balance CP seperately, which imo the only way to reach perfect PvP balance in this game.
And I honestly don't buy the ''nbs are only strong in no-cp'' crap. They are a very dominant dueling class now, and duels aren't set for no-cp obviously.
It depends on what type a nightblade you are talking about. Magblade is a top tier dueling class. Stamblade is a little meh for duels, really just middle of the pack.
magblade is top tier for sure. stamblade is a lot burstier than a magblade, but magblade is just too hard to kill with all the heals going on+cloak+not even mentioning how stronk resto staff is.
I dunno - mag blade is pretty bursty. But I think with mag blade the burst doesn’t usually come at the very beginning of the fight. Mag blades are a bit like wardens and mag sorcs in that they need to line up their burst.
This is true, but with shadow image working everyone is just at the mageblades mercy and with the new merciless changes you actually get a lot of opportunities to open a fight with a heavy-incap-will combo
That explains why I was getting wrecked by a mNB this morning. It was on inc in a BG and I’m so used to not worrying about burst until 5s or 6s into the fight. TIL.
Those merciless changes were really slept on for PVP, imo. Particularly ranged mageblades can easily keep themselves in combat while not active trying to fight using cripple, mark, DoT poisons, funnel heals, etc, I’ve actually seen my burst end up catching a lot of people that seemed to have your exact mindset.
Mageblade is definitely as strong as it’s every been and has a good argument for being the best spec in game, it’s certainly the most versatile and it comes with built in counters to stam NB and stam warden
I don’t think that’s necessarily true. The issue is though that a lot of NBs on the forum are very good at downplaying the class. When the merciless changes were announced there were a lot of posts saying that it doesn’t change much. Certainly, if you talk about the top players the changes didn’t do much because they didn’t miss weaves anyway. But it was a huge buff to your average Nightblade that didn’t play as perfectly and had stacks drop off regularly.
If you follow the forum you could think NBs are the worst class in game, getting always nerfs and never buffs. That’s what irks me the most about it - the absolute dishonesty of most forum NBs.
That's not exclusive to nightblade though most people on the forums will come here and say their class is weak when in reality that's not the case. All the classes are pretty good right now. You can be competitive on all the classes. At this point in the game if a player is dying it's a skill issue or a build issue, and not a class issue. Most players would like to believe their class is bad before they believe that maybe they just need a little practice
I agree! Everybody moaning about their own class like they're playing at a huge disadvantage.
... When MY class is obviously the very worst right now. :'(
(psst hey I'm kidding)Classes that don't need any class ability nerfs: Nightblades, Dragonknights, Sorcs, Templars, Wardens.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It's the only class where you can actually get away from getting steam rolled by zergs. Every other class you can't.
Maybe people are sick of running back on there horse when they get spotted by a zerg every 2 mins.
If the game was less zergy and people didn't run around with 30k hp and spread out a bit then maybe there would be more build diversity.
But then again there is lots of magdk's/ magplars in the big zergs. I can't remember the last time i've had a group chasing me and there hasn't been a heavy magplar in that group spamming breath even though im not even attacking.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...4