Magicka Dragonknight Build PVP Dragonbones

Areloth · February 2018

Grimlok_S wrote: »

Might as well drop that shield for DW if you're going resto back, imo

in group play yes - 1 vs X (more than 3) you are too busy shielding yourself and can't deal any damage if you are not blocking.

zParallaxz · February 2018

ak_pvp wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

zParallaxz wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Areloth wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

The new generation of proc-tatoes

Sadly it is the only way Magicka DKs can burst hard enough.
But this build is not only proc, it has sustain, damage, defense, works with DoTs and off balance...its not easy to play.

As you said, know your weakness and work a ways around it.

So, MagDK can now burst, tank, mitigate a ton of damage, and heal to full with every power lash.

Balanced!

Lol I’m guessing u aren’t good at pvp if your saying magdk is balanced or op.

Tf? Im guessing you dont pvp at all of think mdk isnt OP.

Incoming angry wings flapping from DK main.

Daily reminder MagDK is literally the worst class for OW PvP tied with a Magplar. Worst sustain, worst defense:damage tradeoffs and worst mobility. Read, nothing. An ocassionally buggy gapcloser =/= mobility. Good luck getting from tree to tree or disengaing with that. Same with mist. Its tragic.

Daily reminder DK is a tank class. ZOS's own words, and so has no viable in class defense. Just try using only wings+heal. Nb can do that with just cloak+heal.

B-but that destro/resto build smashes potatoes real good and has good sustain/survivability. The build uses elemental drain and heal ward for its sustain/defense. If that constitutes good, then lets nerf all other classes sustain/defenses to DK level and tell them to use that. Deal?

DK is completely disgusting in a duel though. Zaan and more power whips (generally) and exploiter. And they do OK in BG, despite the healer stacking magden/plar meta.

Exactly what I would say

zParallaxz · February 2018

Areloth wrote: »

zParallaxz wrote: »

This build will have no damage against mid to high level people. Stats are to low, 37k max mag and 3.1k spell damage buffed is not enough to burst people down especially now that power lash is dodgeable.

I am playing pretty much the same build with Flame blossom instead of Caluurion at the moment and I burst the *** out of people already.
There is valkyn, Caluurion/Falme blossom, Exhale from deep breath, flames of oblivion and several dots which damage you all at the same time + whips and ultimate.
If you time that with fossilize you literally nuke people down, believe me.
Here a video of some random fights, not the best ones.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=IWq9FTBP0Co&t=417s

I saw the clip and was good but my point still stands, the stats u have lack the burst to kill someone of average and above play style. Most of the people you killed were low cp and lacking basic knowledge off ccing u. None of the less that build has decent group play utility since there is a lot of aoe, but if your trying to burst people down regardless of their skill level your not going the right route.

Areloth · February 2018

zParallaxz wrote: »

Areloth wrote: »

zParallaxz wrote: »

This build will have no damage against mid to high level people. Stats are to low, 37k max mag and 3.1k spell damage buffed is not enough to burst people down especially now that power lash is dodgeable.

I am playing pretty much the same build with Flame blossom instead of Caluurion at the moment and I burst the *** out of people already.
There is valkyn, Caluurion/Falme blossom, Exhale from deep breath, flames of oblivion and several dots which damage you all at the same time + whips and ultimate.
If you time that with fossilize you literally nuke people down, believe me.
Here a video of some random fights, not the best ones.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=IWq9FTBP0Co&t=417s

I saw the clip and was good but my point still stands, the stats u have lack the burst to kill someone of average and above play style. Most of the people you killed were low cp and lacking basic knowledge off ccing u. None of the less that build has decent group play utility since there is a lot of aoe, but if your trying to burst people down regardless of their skill level your not going the right route.

Well - honestly - how should I burst more than with 2 proc sets, FOO, and decent spelldmg?
If go for higher spelldamage I will deal a little bit more damage with whips, but never the same like a proc set.
This build is not specialized on duelling, sure for 1vs1 only there could be some improvements.
For open world you need survivablity, sustain and a good burst. I don't get where you don't see burst potential here.

Skoria: 5k
Caluurion: 8k
FOO: 3k
DoT Tick: 3k
Whip: 6k
=25k what can hit easily in 1 second.
Sure this won't proc all together everytime, but combine any of it with a meteor fossilize combo and you can burst also high skilled players down.

Hutch679 · February 2018

zParallaxz wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

zParallaxz wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Areloth wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

The new generation of proc-tatoes

Sadly it is the only way Magicka DKs can burst hard enough.
But this build is not only proc, it has sustain, damage, defense, works with DoTs and off balance...its not easy to play.

As you said, know your weakness and work a ways around it.

So, MagDK can now burst, tank, mitigate a ton of damage, and heal to full with every power lash.

Balanced!

Lol I’m guessing u aren’t good at pvp if your saying magdk is balanced or op.

Tf? Im guessing you dont pvp at all of think mdk isnt OP.

More than likely u only say it’s op because u prob get Uber stomped by magdks, that’s usually the only people who complain about it.

I play one, and fight against them. And no, I don't get "uber stomped" (is this like an uber driver stepping on someone or something?).

Ragnarock41 · February 2018

zParallaxz wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

zParallaxz wrote: »

This build will have no damage against mid to high level people. Stats are to low, 37k max mag and 3.1k spell damage buffed is not enough to burst people down especially now that power lash is dodgeable.

low stats didn't stop proctard stamblades from one shotting 30k hp tanks before...

Ok for one that was pre crit nerf and for two if u get one shotted at 30k u probably aren’t any good to begin with.

For magDK those stats are pretty good, considering this is a proc setup.

and no, I am not talking about the proc crit era.

I'm talking about post morrowind proc meta.

25k stamina stamblades one shotting people in 2 seconds.. remember?

zParallaxz · February 2018

Hutch679 wrote: »

zParallaxz wrote: »

Hutch679 wrote: »

zParallaxz wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Areloth wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

The new generation of proc-tatoes

Sadly it is the only way Magicka DKs can burst hard enough.
But this build is not only proc, it has sustain, damage, defense, works with DoTs and off balance...its not easy to play.

As you said, know your weakness and work a ways around it.

So, MagDK can now burst, tank, mitigate a ton of damage, and heal to full with every power lash.

Balanced!

Lol I’m guessing u aren’t good at pvp if your saying magdk is balanced or op.

Tf? Im guessing you dont pvp at all of think mdk isnt OP.

More than likely u only say it’s op because u prob get Uber stomped by magdks, that’s usually the only people who complain about it.

I play one, and fight against them. And no, I don't get "uber stomped" (is this like an uber driver steppin on someone or something?).

U do know Uber stomp was a thing before Uber lol.

ak_pvp · February 2018

If anyone doubts my claims on MDK OW solo. Try playing it. Worst sustain, worst mobility, and worst damage/defense trade off. Hell, even the "defense" is pathetic. Every other class got something strong class based, DK relies on the constantly nerfed block, (yes, buffed this patch, but how much has block/stam sustain etc been nerfed before hand.) and gets a staggering 5% mitigation towards it. Every other class can use block or shields in tandem with their own class defense.

Necessary:
Sustain:

Add any CCd target has magicka steal on them to the elder dragon passive. Gotta spend resources to make resources.
Possible buff to the absolutely gutted battle roar.

Wings, the DRAGON knight's unique staple ability should be good:

Snare removal/immunity for 4s. That way I don't have to use the suicide button that is mist. StamDK can use rally for heal.
3 projectiles per person, incl bird and pulse. No reason these should be immune.

Its a nerf in 1v1 where it is OP against some, but a buff for openworld where it falls instantly vs 2+ ranged attackers.

Generic maybes:

Fire damage on both morph of talons and spiked armor+volatile. Hardened becomes poison.
Stonefist becomes a pull. Rename to tectonics. Chains slot gets used for a gapcloser, maybe a stam morph. Good for those who both PvE and PvP
GDB becomes some stam buff. IDK though, maybe burst heal, maybe the 3 minor buffs.
Corrosive becomes a self backlash for stam, more damage taken = more output damage at end.

IZZEFlameLash · February 2018

ak_pvp wrote: »

If anyone doubts my claims on MDK OW solo. Try playing it. Worst sustain, worst mobility, and worst damage/defense trade off. Hell, even the "defense" is pathetic. Every other class got something strong class based, DK relies on the constantly nerfed block, (yes, buffed this patch, but how much has block/stam sustain etc been nerfed before hand.) and gets a staggering 5% mitigation towards it. Every other class can use block or shields in tandem with their own class defense.

Necessary:
Sustain:
Add any CCd target has magicka steal on them to the elder dragon passive. Gotta spend resources to make resources.

Possible buff to the absolutely gutted battle roar.

Wings, the DRAGON knight's unique staple ability should be good:
Snare removal/immunity for 4s. That way I don't have to use the suicide button that is mist. StamDK can use rally for heal.

3 projectiles per person, incl bird and pulse. No reason these should be immune.

Its a nerf in 1v1 where it is OP against some, but a buff for openworld where it falls instantly vs 2+ ranged attackers.

Generic maybes:
Fire damage on both morph of talons and spiked armor+volatile. Hardened becomes poison.

Stonefist becomes a pull. Rename to tectonics. Chains slot gets used for a gapcloser, maybe a stam morph. Good for those who both PvE and PvP

GDB becomes some stam buff. IDK though, maybe burst heal, maybe the 3 minor buffs.

Corrosive becomes a self backlash for stam, more damage taken = more output damage at end.

Tbh, out of all these, I would be fine if they just buffed sustain so that we don't have to be pigeon hole'd into 2 of those staple sustain sets when building traditional way.

Gorrest · February 2018

One thing that I would love is if they swap Ash Cloud and Wing places, so Wings would be in Earthen Heart allowing you to spam to gain stam without using the terrible skill that is Igneous Shield

SkysOutThizeOut · March 2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJicsJQSVbA&t=287s
Build is in comments of the video.

Waffennacht · March 2018

Why can't they give Sorcs a toolkit even freaking close to what other classes have?

Big damage + Stun + big heal
Big damage + Stun + Defile

Sorcs have... Delayed damage... Yay

ak_pvp · March 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

Why can't they give Sorcs a toolkit even freaking close to what other classes have?

Big damage + Stun + big heal
Big damage + Stun + Defile

Sorcs have... Delayed damage... Yay

I think sorcs deal was meant to be pets, which are too dodgy to use OW much. For the "glass cannon" the defenses on a sorc are pretty decent.

Areloth · March 2018

https://youtube.com/watch?v=gtE0KrrqIlQ&t=16s

Here a vid of my build mentioned in this thread. First day actions